I had this video scheduled, woke up, and they just nerfed rogue pretty hard. Changes: - Rogue's Creep now has a narrow hearing range. - Rogue's Stealth now reveals his silhouette when moving.
@CasperActual2 ай бұрын
lmao i figured. necessary fs tho
@laurinbalsiger38872 ай бұрын
@@CasperActual nah cap
@AveragePokeCollector2 ай бұрын
Decent changes now I wonder if stealth will even be used though. Curious to see what it looks like.
@laurinbalsiger38872 ай бұрын
@@AveragePokeCollector the invis change sucks and should get removed again the creep is dead and you use armor pen now so not really ;,;
@unicronplus45262 ай бұрын
This isn’t going to change ambush rogue. The good players won’t take hide anymore and the bad players will still sit in a corner or at a door not moving all game. It will make it slightly harder for them to ambush, but it won’t stop it. Rogue needs a new play style other than ambush or hand crossbow.
@randomamerican82362 ай бұрын
"I knew this guy was just waiting by the door because that's all they do." I can hear the disgust in your voice.
@seekerhunts2 ай бұрын
The irony being, he was doing the same thing. Though to be fair, it's a rogue. How else are you going to play other than ambushing? maybe not a DOOR but still
@MasterChief-ie2xu2 ай бұрын
@@seekerhunts I mean it he was camping an entire room, that dude was camping a single door
@monkeyofdarkness12142 ай бұрын
5:05 I love that you walk into a popular rogue room and call it a mistake. Most people would walk in there and get 1 shot by a rogue and be pissed about the game, not a misplay. (I'm one of those people lol)
@red23142 ай бұрын
Trust me, I've been rogue ambushed there plenty 🤣
@BroBrett2 ай бұрын
If I saw the name SneakertonMcsheesher killing the whole lobby I would just hide in a corner LMAO
@hdrag92 ай бұрын
You cant hide because of the Frame Drop bug. If you're near enough to someone and you scan the walls, if you get frame drops looking in a direction someone is there.
@BroBrett2 ай бұрын
@@hdrag9 ill just keep my head down and pray
@randomamerican82362 ай бұрын
The funniest part of the awful players who choose to play rogue like this is when you extract early and spectate who is left in the dungeon. Most of the time, it's a bunch of rogues holding CTRL and barely moving back and forth. Riveting gameplay to say the least.
@johnathangiglia43862 ай бұрын
The KOS of Red is kinda insane, that warlock was just chillin and you murked him with no hesitation XDD
@hitbu94712 ай бұрын
I love the subtle shade that you throw at Rogue/Landmine throughout the whole video haha
@ommni57242 ай бұрын
I'm convinced goblins are just russian gopnics since they scream "blyat" every time you stab them
@Gonzo_5362 ай бұрын
Having pots on your belt is a def no no in my opinion they are visible from a mile away 😂
@DavyLaser2 ай бұрын
Personally I'm glad the class got nerfed, since genuinely at times there was no counter play to landmine rogue if you don't have a play style catered to countering it
@hudsoneyseleh94442 ай бұрын
Light orb in question:
@DavyLaser2 ай бұрын
@@hudsoneyseleh9444 Every other class in solos in question:
@MakivPoli55922 ай бұрын
@@hudsoneyseleh9444 well, yeah the only class that have almost zero melee ofensive/defensive and cant outrun a rogue if he dont build a MS style😅 Edit: In solo, on duos/trios is very good
@corogast2 ай бұрын
I wish Fighter / Barb had counters to their crayon eating W-key playstyles (or fighters out bow-ing a ranger too)...
@DavyLaser2 ай бұрын
@@corogast Yeah, I agree with both of those, although as a barb main swapping to fighter is looking real good right now
@mr.20832 ай бұрын
If weapon is not mentioned in the kill feed, it was a druid in animal form.
@TylerTry12 ай бұрын
Really enjoying your stuff man, learning a lot just from watching you play. Keep up the good work! :)
@clydemiddleton71282 ай бұрын
Yknow what. I hadnt seen this build before because i usually play duos or trios, and i thought the nerfs today were really lame until watching this. What a show
@KingUnity22Ай бұрын
"I'm sure that guy had fun"
@Gonzo_5362 ай бұрын
W Nerf though 🤷🏻♂️😬
@bbfacee2 ай бұрын
True rogue still has a good kit
@MattyNard2 ай бұрын
rogue nerfs WOMP WOMP people always act like changes in this game are permanent. rogue plagued the game last few weeks now we can play with a little less rogues while they try to balance again. let them cook. fuck rogues also.
@cagxplays96022 ай бұрын
fuck rogues
@bearoyay2 ай бұрын
It's depressing to watch how strong this is/was.
@xChickenMedia2 ай бұрын
As someone who runs mostly ice caves to avoid rogues i felt this in my soul
@al694202 ай бұрын
6:10 lol warlock tried to surrender lol RIP
@ayyrick2 ай бұрын
A lot of new vids recently nice got something to binge
@unexist001Ай бұрын
You knew he was camping at the door becasue that all they do!?! Dude you are part of that they, that's exactly what you were doing. lol
@MeesMans2 ай бұрын
When you take out a normal player: disgusting When you take out a rogue: hahaha taste of your own medicine bucko
@Slanderbot2 ай бұрын
The whole rogue class needs a re-design. The most recent patch changes just solidifies that Ironmace have no idea what to do with the class and are just shotgun blasting out changes with a blindfold hoping something sticks.
@Ginno542 ай бұрын
Ofcourse this vid comes out right when i saw the rogue nerfs :( love your content though red, keep it up
@laurinbalsiger38872 ай бұрын
They made him useless now
@Ginno542 ай бұрын
@@laurinbalsiger3887 thats what am saying, i bet the people are so happy rn
@xenird2 ай бұрын
@@laurinbalsiger3887😂
@Hey_Its_Dom28182 ай бұрын
I dont have the full game, I just run druid and get out of the ice map and throw drums and torches at players while acting like a ghost, pretty fun lmao
@SunriseMidnight2 ай бұрын
just murdered that warlock and mage ☠️
@laurinbalsiger38872 ай бұрын
Rouge before the nerf :(
@kensonkenson25462 ай бұрын
Hey, amazing channel bro. I have 1 question if someone can help - to what are ancient scrolls?
@mikekedian12212 ай бұрын
I love how this video manifested the rogue nerf.
@Flatfootsy2 ай бұрын
New Red video, new like.
@Yourbluetoothdeviceispairing2 ай бұрын
Yeah they definitely needed the nerf 😂 I was minding my own business one match while a rogue was right behind me stealing my stuff. No sound or indication that I was being stolen from. Completely undetectable. I only caught him by accident when his invisibility ran out
@GP_StreamingАй бұрын
I hope it doesn’t get nerfed and I hope other classes get buffed like wizard so they can take on druids just as easy as they can every class
@al694202 ай бұрын
Have you tried Dungeonborne?
@corray122 ай бұрын
MORE FOR THE TIMMYS!!!
@jasoncraddock58792 ай бұрын
13:20 What's the "sleeper build" though??
@chandlergordon88782 ай бұрын
i appreciate D&Der as a goblin simulator. people play so hostile and selfish, avoiding opportunities to escape so they can kill people whose loot they can't even carry
@happih11272 ай бұрын
I feel bad for that wizard, as a wizard main i feel his pain
@yusosu2 ай бұрын
if we take 2 daggers which have armor peneration on 1 hand do we take that extra armor pen (sorry for my english and my questions i just new player)
@yeahboi15082 ай бұрын
yes you do
@Lordwolfhound2 ай бұрын
how are you looking around with out stopping the looting
@feetenthusiast10152 ай бұрын
drag the screen by holding left click outside of the inventory
@cameronbogucki31812 ай бұрын
“The loot comes to you” lol. I’m a week in and I can’t even get a successful extraction.😭
@maverickdovakin97862 ай бұрын
this playstyle is crazy
@awskater58992 ай бұрын
Why were you using two daggers? More move speed with one
@red23142 ай бұрын
Each dagger has 5% innate armor penetration. Whilst duel wielding, it stacks for 10% armor pen per swing.
@besusaltin51572 ай бұрын
Can someone explainbme this : There is a perk to hide ur waist items potions etc. So does that mean ppl see ur potions in stealth?
@ElPerroGP2 ай бұрын
The potions are very bright when on your belt, the perk hides them when you walk around normally. In stealth they are always completely invisible.
@paxconsciente33522 ай бұрын
everywhere i look it says rogues are C tier garbage of a class yet when i play they're insanely OP, slapping buffed barbs and fighters around and just looting everything while avoiding pve
@km93812 ай бұрын
Hot fix 57.2 has entered the chat
@dakotakloc14882 ай бұрын
You know rogue needs a nerf when red makes a video playing one😂
@almightywaargh87302 ай бұрын
I love how Red gets 2 hits from a barbarian and stays alive, shattering rogues circlejerk of “oh everyone one shot us that’s why our insane damage is ok” Great vid as always.
@corogast2 ай бұрын
Because he was stacking STR which gives HP as-well. A lot of rogues don't stack as much STR as he did. He got very lucky that crayon eating W-key class didn't 1 / 2 shot him.
@EnviousGenome2 ай бұрын
Decent first run more like really good wym
@dug56322 ай бұрын
i think the rogue issue is fixed if creep is just taken out the game entirely, invisibility is one thing in this game but not being able to hear someone for as long as they crouch is so much worse, haven’t tested with the new update tho
@MakivPoli55922 ай бұрын
I test it and is not very good😅 You can hear it but only if you are super focus or in silence to hear it and even that the rogue will ALWAYS hear you first and he could just stand still and wait until you are distracted by a mob,looting,etc... and rush. They need make the crouch walk more louder😅
@manfallingoffaladder2 ай бұрын
17:36 next videos anti rogue build after the nerfs: having eyes and ears
@brennanorr22 ай бұрын
The silhouette part is just bad u can just see the person with the silhouette like they arnt even invisible creep was only good for goblin caves bc there arnt many mobs u cant creep around when u have to kill the mobs i dont even use the perk i find it almost useless but good chages should of also lowered the sound of doors and chests tho with the nerf to make it more of ur trying to be quiet then to just hold ctrl and u make no noise
@koalaking87412 ай бұрын
I feel like ambush is the biggest problem with rogue rn. Bc it essentially gives people who are attacked no time to react as over 75% of their health dissappears without even knowing what’s happening.
@DarkInos2 ай бұрын
6:15 Looks like he did not want to fight in general to me.
@Shame_and_gasoline2 ай бұрын
I want another zero too whatever difficult goal series
@BIueharvestАй бұрын
I feel like these nerfs on paper werent substantial enough for such a dropoff in rogue activity, but it happened so i guess they were.
@falladow38202 ай бұрын
This aged well
@hockerhelmut2 ай бұрын
4 hours old and already aged like milk 😂
@martindenkatte19742 ай бұрын
And people ask why rogue was nerfed 😂 It's stupid atleast 3 rogues in any of my lobby, now i have seen 3 all day.
@peckenhamm1232 ай бұрын
"High roller is a bunch of naked players or people AP farming" Hahaha, then why do I keep getting run down by people?
@johnathangiglia43862 ай бұрын
LFGGGG!!!!
@brundonxbrandon1212 ай бұрын
My opinion from a new player and my first thing I picked was Rogue for the jump scares and I I win I win , I don't really take good gear since it's for fun Seems ez to beat one just keep spacing and swing if the rogue is to close block and strike fir hit shots they drop pretty quick in my opinion 🤔 🤷 As a fighter beat one just by swinging randomly if i was the rogue and got him Really experience what it takes and complaining just makes you weak 🤔
@kithkin2 ай бұрын
Dark and Darker aka Oops all Rogues
@aguy21352 ай бұрын
I main barb/fighter and it really hurts when i say ive been abusing the rogue a little. just let me W key at someone again instead of crawling around the map like a scummy little rat :( thank god they nerfed creep and stealth we can play the game again boys.
@al694202 ай бұрын
I get hit pretty bad as Rogue. I’m probably just under geared and under skilled.
@xaedris2 ай бұрын
4:55 damn i think you die there if the barb played that ANY better (not getting hit 3 times for free at the start, and not getting hit by the goblin). gonna be interesting to see if the nerfs are impactful at all
@red23142 ай бұрын
Definitely played it as bad as possible on my part 😂 I should have been cooked.
@Cuhrode2 ай бұрын
he dies to barb and fighter, he almost died to a budget kit barb having first 3 stabs and he would've died to any fighter with anything above poor grade armor rogue's high risk but no one wants to admit it. also u can play however u want i've played rogue since playtest 2 and don't run creep or stealth, this dude is choosing to play in a boring way and complaining about it while he does it kinda weirdge
@keagangray82582 ай бұрын
Thank God for the nerf. Rogues have so little counterplay and make the gane so frustrating. Now they just need to remove vampirism
@mercerhardy47102 ай бұрын
More wizard!!
@akmal-fr8sb2 ай бұрын
I want rightermlike you said on previous vids😢
@MattyNard2 ай бұрын
shit was so broken
@al694202 ай бұрын
They shouldn’t nerf rogue, they should just nerf it’s gear. But not it’s base gear. Base gear rogue is very under powered (how I play)
@Kollektivable2 ай бұрын
I really tried to have fun with this game and i really like tbh but Creep destroys it for me...
@Dr-dikheadАй бұрын
Do you game?
@Painjusu2 ай бұрын
Remove all invis from the game and its fine. Doesnt make any sense anyways
@DarkInos2 ай бұрын
Change invis to some variation of camouflage.. that it somewhat hides you but not 100% invis.
@jordanwilson41822 ай бұрын
Honestly I would rather rouges damage be nerfed it’s super tedious to sneak up on people now which kinda ruins the fun.
@Anime.Primordial2 ай бұрын
gayming right here i see, i see
@folonukka2 ай бұрын
Bro killed me on my wizard and made a vid out of me, im insulted.
@PPKinguin2 ай бұрын
I want to give this game a try but this stuff turns me off so much.
@al694202 ай бұрын
Big nerf :(
@TheClassicRevo2 ай бұрын
As a wizard main. I hate rogues
@botuptop93452 ай бұрын
I am sorry to say this, but this video if it didn't have you talking over it would be boring, I don't get how so many players enjoy this play style
@IIEstevaoxII2 ай бұрын
RIP ROGUE, MOVING TO WARLOCK SQUAD
@Sirey-jz1ts2 ай бұрын
Well, k not my game
@IamMalkavian2 ай бұрын
dont quite get all the hate for rogue... you cant fight a fighter/barb/cleric in a straight face to face ...if you arent stealth attacking then youre pretty much useless , you have no defense at all so anything that catches you out in the open will two tap you. The only interesting skills they have outside stealth is the trap/lockpick skill , and pickpocket , and those arent really worth taking over damage perks and they have a pretty limited weapon selection. might as well just remove the class and just have fighters and wizards only.
@jaxsonsingleton75682 ай бұрын
This is kinda the problem with dark and darker, rouge gets a buff *OMG ROUGE NEEDS A NERF* rouge gets a nerf *OMG ROUGE NEEDS A BUFF* its this endless cycle where when it's buffed new players have fun but when it's nerfed only the best players can really play the class at full potential and even then I've seen the best players have to do so much just to secure a kill, so I'm not really sure what the solution to this is
@unexist001Ай бұрын
The solution is you can't make everyone happy all the time so those buffs/nerfs cycles are needed to keep the players happy and interested.
@stingyatom2 ай бұрын
u betrayed the wizard community, kinda disgusted...
@BFlynn55772 ай бұрын
NERF IT MORE
@Rat-DarkandDarker2 ай бұрын
Im filing a lawsuit against u!! You stole my videos title!!
@Rat-DarkandDarker2 ай бұрын
jk great vid
@rainwhenidie66662 ай бұрын
I hate the rogue class in games. Ive always thought they shouldnt be a class in any game. It encourages lazy scummy gameplay. Never been a fan but too each their own I guess.