I Ranked Every Van Der Linde Gang Member's Fate From Worst To Best

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Today, I am going to rank every Van Der Linde Gang Member's Fate in a tierlist, starting from the worst fates, and going all the way to the best fates.
This is just my opinion, so put yours in the comments and let's debate!

[@RedDeadTierLists]

Please go watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXi0g5d7fdpobKc for a more in-depth video on all the Van Der Linde gang members fates. I took a lot of the footage from this video, and it helped me a lot in making the video.

[@LjKinG420]

your a good youtuber

[@OrdinaryMan1999-tn4hh]

I think out of all the Van Der Linde Gang's deaths John was the only one that went out like a Boss. Arthur's was the most heartbreaking on High Honor. Dutch's was the most pathetic. Bill and Micah both got what they deserved. Javier from my perspective is rotting in jail. Sean's was the most shocking death and Lenny's death caught me by surprise and really disheartened me. Hosea's death made me angry because he didn't deserve that. Molly was practically begging to die and Mrs Grimshaw's caught me off guard. Kieran's death wasn't surprisingly has it really spooked the hell out of me especially with that weird guitar pecking. Each of the Gang's deaths were very unique and had a range of emotional responses from me. But Dutch's death to me was the most pathetic death surpassing Bill and Javier's.

[@bananess_]

arthurs death is kinda sweet (NARRITIVELY) - he gets to die on a sunrise, with his final breaths after his redemption and helping people. He also died in a similar way to Mr Downes which is poetic. Edit: I don't mean it was sweet for arthur but it was in a storytelling perspective

[@IIIIncognito]

*Sunrise

[@bananess_]

@@IIIIncognito yeah my bad

[@Natural_Brutality]

Unless ur low honor that ending is awful i love being low honor but i usually start becoming Max honor after Arthur gets tubercolosis so i Get the good ending

[@thomasgrabkowski8283]

Depends, he only dies this way with high honor. If low honor, Micah kills him, either by shooting or stabbing

[@channel45853]

@@thomasgrabkowski8283idk why Arthur gets to leave a scar on Micah if high honor, that should only be done, imo, if Arthur is low honor as he would likely be more savage and vengeful

[@jredboss]

Grimshaws death 100% was important to the story. She is the embodiment of loyalty, so when she stands up against Dutch, we know he left the gang, and not the gang left him

[@butterscotchtv3911]

agreed she straight up slayed molly no question all for dutchs rules

[@00Siebes]

Grimshaw was done so dirty I was livid when she died and Dutch just couldn’t understand that Micah the guy he has sided with just shot her for no reason

[@butterscotchtv3911]

@@00Siebes all cuz she stood on business AKA arthurs side

[@ferdiahunt9899]

She doesn't stand up against Dutch she stands up against Micah, Dutch only drew his guns when she got shot

[@odogaronvevo2920]

this also shows Dutch’s disconnect with the gang as a whole. Micah kills her and Dutch does nothing, nothing to reprimand micah, nothing to say to him. this is like one of the most significant events as far as the deterioration of the gang goes

[@GabrielRamirez-ki7mw]

Bro Lenny’s death was so much worse than Hosea’s, he had his whole life ahead, he didn’t even got a cutscene

[@dagobahstudios3662]

I agree, Hosea was old and was about to die of a disease anyway. Lenny was smart and capable but he got his life ripped away from him.

[@koolaid33]

Ehh, both of their deaths are extremely devastating. I found they were very alike, both positive and optimistic, smart and both really admired Arthur. In a way earlier chapter (I think chapter 2), you can stumble in on some hidden dialogue between Tilly, Hosea and Lenny, where they start talking about how they want to die and where they would be buried. Hosea states he'd like to die of old age, but to be buried with his friends from the gang, and Lenny states the same. Later if you go to their graves, they were buried together by Charles. Fun fact: Arthur will also join in the conversation, saying he'd like to die on a hill, overlooking the sunset, and then be buried on a hill to see the sunset in death. At the end of the main story, he dies on a hill.. overlooking the sunrise, and Charles will bury him on a hill where he can see the sunrise and sunset.

[@smellydelinquent]

hosea's death was really bad because his final thoughts of his life was the guilt of knowing that his plan has gone horribly wrong and is now going to get his entire gang killed

[@ssj4goku18825theepic]

@@smellydelinquenthoseas death is essentially why Dutch went batshit crazy and lost his senses as a leader. Lenny is just way more sad from a age perspective

[@abdulazimnaushad]

@@ssj4goku18825theepicnah Dutch was already losing it, he’d been losing it since Blackwater but could only be rational for so long, remember he killed Bronte before Hosea died. If anything Hosea's death only sped up his downfall into insanity

[@americasteam2112]

John sacrificed himself so his wife and son wouldn’t get killed.

[@James_Randal]

And yet she still ended up dying young and his son repeated John's footsteps becoming an outlaw, it's not a happy ending.

[@nolanmcknight5716]

​@@James_RandalDuring the time period she grew up in?? All things considered she lived a pretty long life and in the end got to marry the man she loved

[@dylanolson6077]

@@James_Randalshe lived to be 37, about the average lifespan for someone born in 1877. And John sacrificed everything to save his family, including the only friends he ever had and himself. Whether he died or not, he definitely redeemed himself.

[@homicidalgeorge]

not really. ross was only there for john. if he really wanted to kill abigail and jack then he would've gotten his troops to surround the farm to make sure nobody escaped and he also doesn't bother looking for them after john dies.

[@MediaWML]

@@dylanolson6077 Average life span back then was massively skewed because of high infant mortality though. If you got out of childhood, you would not expect to die in your late thirties.

[@pelajagro]

If you think johns death meant nothing then you don’t understand the game 💀

[@daevidpp445]

he didn't say it was meaningless dumb shit

[@Matt-wb8ni]

He didn’t mean that John’s death meant nothing, just tragic

[@SquishyOfCinder]

It didn’t mean alot of good, it meant the end of an era.

[@kamageddynvideochannel3479]

Other way around John's death meant a lot of other things meant nothing in the end.

[@Sean2Don]

Bro for real this guy really thought John might as well have let his family get shot up with him?💀

[@VoidRA1Nplays]

jack has the saddest alive fate

[@ooooothatsshit158]

Yea and the only alive fate

[@VoidRA1Nplays]

@@ooooothatsshit158 Charles Sadie Tilly Pearson

[@ooooothatsshit158]

@@VoidRA1Nplays nah i killed them

[@Casual_guy1234]

​@@ooooothatsshit158💀

[@ooooothatsshit158]

@@Casual_guy1234 yeah thats about what they looked like

[@zepps88]

Arthur contracted and suffered from TB at a young age, was stabbed in the back by his best friend and mentor, was used and sucked dry by the only woman he ever loved after doing everything for her, watched the only family he ever had get ripped apart by his mortal enemy, was beaten to death by the biggest miscreant in the RDR universe, died alone on a mountain, and you rank his fate a B Tier?? Honestly, his fate was probably worse than John's. At least John was able to live a normal family life for a few years and fought off a zombie apocalypse.

[@HenryJit]

He didn't suffer tb at a young age

[@El-Leon-VLLC]

​​​@@HenryJit 36 years is pretty young if you ask me.

[@hakone1841]

@@HenryJit he literally did, its one of the main storylines in the game

[@HenryJit]

@@hakone1841 WAS HE YOUNG? NO HES 36

[@HenryJit]

@@El-Leon-VLLC Young in the human life but still old nonetheless

[@username9723]

Arthur's death is so emotionally impactful because of the tuberculosis. Had Arthur lived, he might not be viewed so favorably. He died for what he believed in, and that is the noblest cause.

[@aduckoutofwater]

RD3 Idea: 1950's western movie era California, Jack is much older and a retired writer whose exploits and history with the gang have dazzled readers and are being adapted into a film, but a biopic leads him and a screenwriter to retrace some of his roots including crossing paths with enemies from his own time as a gunslinger in the early 20th century.

[@samuraidoggy]

Nice. This has to be one of the worst ideas I have ever read on KZbin. Good that you are not working for Rockstar, as shitty ideas like that would make them go bankrupt.

[@aduckoutofwater]

@@samuraidoggy Um ok? Daddy not kiss you on the lips today?

[@jinxysaberk]

as sad as johns death is the fact he takes down as many as his gun could handle is badass

[@cb-9938]

Kieran is such a sad character. Can't leave camp because the O'Driscolls would find him. Was constantly bullied and harrassed at camp. Was respectful even though he was surrounded by people who hate him. But once Jack is taken, and Kieran helps get him back. He is finally accepted into the gang fully. Only for him too be immediately captured, Tortured and killed

[@johnschuch7090]

At least Micah actually grew up old kind of at least in his 40s 50s or 60s maybe even 70s

[@Rader_du_17]

Arthur never won in his life, he just helped people living their life in peace, the low honor helping John ending is perfect, when Arthur say's to Micah : "Damn us both !" He was right, Arthur was damned his whole life, he never truly enjoyed living but like he said to Dutch, he tried and thats evrything he did and could have done sadly. Arthur life was always empty, he never made it but he tried, he did.

[@sourkrautt]

Bro this tier list is all over the place, are you ranking based off brutality? Cause? Effect? Method? What bro??

[@shadowknighttfgps4333]

No SIR Arthur died of TB, any ending with Micah being able to kill him is wrong, forgive me for that but Arthur even with TB was a tough mother fucker. Micah couldn't fight anyone without his guns. Micah is so weak he couldn't kill a dying man. If only rockstar let us injure Micah in a more lasting way to show that even though Arthur died, Micah still lost.

[@grungeisdead8998]

19:47 Charles also was the one to go back and burry Arthur, if it weren’t for Charles Arthur would never have gotten a proper burial

[@Jordan-3mk212]

The way you shot micah is crazy

[@zuhayrmunam580]

underrated channel. love the content. keep up the good work bro👍

[@mralfie4078]

Dude Jack Marston lived till 1992. Definitely needs to be much higher than some of these

[@AdenDL13]

Jack died in the 1990s living a long life

[@RedDeadTierLists]

Nah he told me he died in 1915, after he caught lumbago

[@Slixcy]

​@@RedDeadTierListsI remember that part of the lore

[@CheezDoodlezz]

Where the hells the real source that he lived till the fucking 90s

[@CursedAnqxl]

the 1990s? he would be near 100 at that point, give or take a few years.

[@Matt_History]

​@@CheezDoodlezzthere's books by Jack in the GTA games that claim to be from the 90's

[@fisher5741]

Listen I love John he deserves kinda more respect then Arthur Cause he has the balls to kill his friends but Arthur’s death was heart warming, he got his wish to die in I think the west where he could watch the sun

[@alkiskosh6536]

I think Lenny has worst fate dying at 19 and when he lived miserable life

[@magiccookies420]

0:37 nahhh Jack made it to Hollywood 🫡

[@xXskullfacesXxYT]

Lenny was 19 just letting you know

[@denditwittard4410]

John is indeed the lowest of low, all of his old family captured by himself and even got them executed and even dies not a headshot but an effin shot by a lot of gunshot like an effin thousand cuts.

[@archieoutdoors3340]

Arthur’s dead was better than you said. He said he would like to die on a cliff over looking the sunset…which he did manage to do.

[@prodby500k]

He died looking at the sunrise

[@archieoutdoors3340]

@@prodby500k ohhh. My mistake it’s been a while since I saw his death…to upsetting. It was close enough at least.

[@OmegaPlayz64]

Lenny was only 19 when he died

[@foxy_codone4779]

The fact that Kieran and Mary Beth were hitting it off makes his death even worse. Things were just starting to turn around.

[@davidgaruccio]

Dutch was only 44 years old so i would say susan would have been closer to hoseas age

[@MichaelXD123]

At least they found the legendary rat

[@ANoisyBroodOfFunch]

0:07 man shut ur mouth bro

[@MagnificentPotato]

Why so aggressive

[@FlyntmanYT]

Bro couldn't resist the urge to find a reason for hatred

[@CountryGuy139]

Fr

[@MortMausoleum]

dude is so addicted to consuming content that can't bear his dopamine farming getting interrupted for 2 seconds by a innocent message

[@erdenebatjugder3050]

3:21 Strauss was a good man btw I’m still playing the campaign I don’t know why he kicked him out so NO SPOILERS

[@Furrnox]

I disagree that John was last he died protecting his family & he got to spend some time with them before he died.

[@LxstGalaxy2000]

I read up on it and Jack lived til 1998 at 101 years old. He lived a full life but then imagine living 100 years later leaving everyone you care about that many years ago.

[@user-hx6gs9rq7u]

Except that isn’t true. Jack has no official fate. Him living until 101 is fan fiction made up by whoever wrote the Wikipedia page

[@Godofwar1000Bob]

Even though I knew he died I still cried

[@stevenmcginn354]

I heard there's a remake of RDR, maybe John's fate in the game might be better, and maybe his fate in the game might be the low or no honor ending

[@user-hx6gs9rq7u]

There is no remake, and changing his fate would ruin it

[@mfgojira]

jack marston died of old age, he lived to see the invention of the televisiom for christs sake, he lived past his crimes, he became a well known author and lived to be 101

[@user-hx6gs9rq7u]

Jack Marston living until the age of 101 is completely made up by fans. Rockstar has never confirmed jacks fate. Anything you see saying when he lived to is completely made up

[@amongyou5583]

honestly put javier’s death in front of tier bc he hated mexico

[@afrocang4064]

its never explained why javier even went back to mexico he was a wanted man there

[@hardface80]

You actually don’t have to kill Javier if you hogtie him he ultimately gets arrested and carried off by marston

[@WWNbroadcasts]

I wish at least one or two other gang members could survive like sean or Lenny imagine endgame with those too cause they would back Arthur 100%

[@kylerjohnson4352]

Arthur would of been A if john survived and jack didn't become an outlaw

[@richardoxley4897]

I wish Artur and Mary Beath got together.

[@asapmercury]

john sacrificed himself to keep jack and abigail safe, and free them from the life he lived. you clearly didn’t play the game

[@SA1NT53]

Never let bro cook again

[@sharpshooter63]

“It has to be”

[@ryan1625]

Never actually realised there were so many members in the gang 🤣

[@Vswagger01-_]

Anybody notice that John shot Micah in the balls the whole time.

[@dani27more11]

Dude i just when you showed Hosea's death, this game is too much

[@OwenEliRichardProductions]

I am not gonna start a war but I don’t like this list. John at last and Micah really high? It feels like you only really played chapter 1. For a character Micah is good but likability he lacks. And Mary Beth as 1? Nahhhhh putting Strauss above Hosea. Putting Tilly and Reverand above Arthur is just crazy. And putting anyone above John Marston except for Arthur Hosea or Dutch is crazy. Ending Wise I think this is ranked nicely but just as a character not great

[@theneonviking641]

“It has to be…”

[@zematic_4881]

I played this game for the first time two days ago and beat it and I love it

[@b.p.markus2046]

This guy clearly didn't understand the game and the gang

[@keecko8169]

Gotta respect the 12 bullets to the balls ending this guy gave Micah

[@GreenTomas2372]

I get it; it’s a GTA IV reference

[@realmanjamal]

@@GreenTomas2372what mission

[@shufflingkaosperson5522]

​@realmanjamal the one where niko kills his old friend who betrayed their group of friends in the military iirc, there were 12 members of that group

[@TheLeperKing178]

​@@shufflingkaosperson5522 darko man

[@thegoosiest]

​@GreenTomas2372 it's a reference to the fact that most people just pump bullets into his balls when they get to shoot him as john

[@CheezDoodlezz]

The entire marston family deserved better

[@tazinboor3913]

As in, a watsonian or doylest sense? Like you thought they should’ve gone higher in this video?

[@ishotmyselfandnowiamdying8199]

as in they deserved a better life@@tazinboor3913

[@tearfull_blade]

Thats also Arthur just because there not blood doesn’t mean there not brother

[@CheezDoodlezz]

@@tearfull_blade yep

[@arthurmorgan8529]

Agreed. Ross is a much bigger scumbag than Micah. Getting John to basically do his job as he's too much of a coward then killing him makes him the worst. Absolute germ of a man

[@Sebastian62608]

“At least he died in his homeland.” This actually makes it so much sadder for Javier. He hated Mexico.

[@VictorDude98]

I mean Javier was a shit person, like way worse than the rest of the gang. He's the only confirmed rapist out of all of them

[@Manuel-4]

Not really. He loved México but not the Porfirio Diaz dictatorship.

[@slimdiddyd]

@@Manuel-4porfirio Diaz was based

[@ADodoBird]

@@slimdiddyd the "bad person based" joke has died pretty damn long ago

[@slimdiddyd]

@@ADodoBird Porfirio Diaz was not a bad person. Mexico’s economy grew tremendously under his watch, and the country was safe and stable. His overthrow led to two decades of chaos and half a million deaths.

[@Gabriel-qv4ul]

Personally, i think Jack Marston's fate is one of the worst ones. The fact that he saw everyone he cared about die, and also got forced into a life of crime he didn't want is terrible.

[@OmegaPlato]

John and Abigails one real wish is that Jack didn't go into that life and he did.

[@DenKulesteSomFins]

Yeah. Really shows how surface deep this commentary is

[@youyou3172]

Personally I believe RDR 3 will be about Jack Marston. I hope it is the case. Jack will be a prohibition mobster who hates the law more than anything due to his quotes of killing the lawmen and sheriffs “yall killed my Pa!” “This one for you pa!.” Personally I believe he will be a World War 1 solider as he pretty much have nothing to live for due to his quotes as a good honor Jack. Even the last newspaper in the game states that war has broken out. Maybe he joins the army to find a sense of belonging after not having anything since the Beechers Hope shootout. Jack comes back from the war with more severed ptsd in world war 1 and beechers hope incident. It’s a new Dawn of an era where alcohol is banned and Jack raises his way up to the top but while he raises the reputation of himself, the fbi renews the unsolved murder case of Edgar Ross and Jack Marston becomes the prime suspect in the investigation. Hopefully Charles and Sadie can make a cameo or an appearance. While it still can be revolvers and pistols in the game with the dead eye setting. Jack can probably be the deadliest Van Der Linde member due to him reading literature where he can be charismatic, charming, intelligent, and manipulative as he hid his true intentions to Edgar family members until he met Edgar and how he would be a gunslinger and a potential ww1 soldier. Jack redemption I would say maybe it’s his reinterested of his love of literature that makes him want to have a normal life again or he falls for someone which makes him have second thoughts of continuing his mob life.

[@youyou3172]

Maybe Jack can probably break the redemption cycle of dying or it’s doomed to repeat and someone will else will avenge him.

[@EvanTheHistorian]

*he wanted

[@Isaac_646]

I seriously was devastated by Kieran's death in chapter 4. He finally seems welcome and gets happy, even Arthur greets him nicely. Then he turns up dead, decapitated no less.

[@YoutubeCommonman_Totas]

Looks like he was gouged too

[@IMADINOSAURNOTABIRD]

There’s even some absolutely *diabolical* foreshadowing So, when bill goes to castrate him in chapter two, he tells him afterward in a random event at camp, “oh, you’ll die, but you’ll lose your balls first!” Balls. Eyeballs…

[@guyman1899]

​@@IMADINOSAURNOTABIRD oh my. Never thought of that! gives me a new insight, really. That is crazy

[@IMADINOSAURNOTABIRD]

@@guyman1899 yeah seriously this game has super dark humor sometimes

[@trainknut]

The treatment of Kieran Duffy in chapter 2 is explicitly part of the reason I cheered when I heard the Pinkertons rolling up in Chapter 6. Arthur's story was done at that point, and none of the rest of those heathens deserved redemption at that point, not even Grimshaw... Not after what she did to Molly.(though, obviously she was already dead by the time the Pinkertons arrived) Actually, Grimshaw was extremely abusive to the women of the camp for pretty much the entire game... I feel no guilt in admitting her cries of agony gave me a bit of catharsis on behalf of Mary Beth and Tilly.

[@LuffyGotDrip]

No one expected Uncle to outlive almost everyone

[@i3ertram530]

Lumbago saved him

[@kingMT514]

@@i3ertram530Terminal lumbago at that

[@ChillyPhilly4]

L U M B A G O

[@AllFATHER1996]

Uncle is a " survivor "

[@MlgR221]

@Withdaboysvr A terminal sickness

[@jacobhilmoe-y3l]

john spent 10-15 years with the gang and escaped rdr2 and somehow got a loan to buy a ranch and spent 4 years living with Abigail and jack and won an entire Mexican revolution. its a miracle he didn’t get hanged or shot earlier.

[@DanteDevilTrigger653]

He also singlehandily stopped the Apocalypse in Undead Nightmare lmao

[@samisnotmyname8865]

​@@DanteDevilTrigger653and he came back, and undead zombie but at least hes still alive I guess

[@MrFusion]

Yeah I don’t get how his fate is considered the worst, at least he got out for awhile, got to spend time with his family, and had a fairly quick death or at least better conpared to Kieran

[@scottbivins4758]

Plot twist John dies after he buys the ranch we figured that out in Red Dead redemption 1. You do realize the games are basically backwards Red Dead redemption 2 is pretty much the first game in Red Dead one is basically the second one😂

[@BraydenKing-nz2gz]

@@scottbivins4758they know that, they were saying he got to live his life between the times of the end of rdr2 and then start of rdr1

[@procastination_is_my_passi4182]

Molly's death was so tragic to me. She comes from a well off family and went off for her own adventure, fell genuinely in love with Dutch who eventually drained her mentally, physically and emotionally up to her death. She was so isolated, paranoid and confused towards the end of chapter 2 and on wards, and despite not saying anything against the gang even when interrogated multiple times by Milton, she died and was killed as a rat and wasn't even given a proper burial. The only mistake she made was loving Dutch

[@joeboah6040]

Abigail's death wasn't caused by John. It is never explicitly stated how she died but that she just died in 1914 from causes unknown to us, she could have gotten sick or just depressed and fell in with something, which makes John's death indirectly responsible. I think the reason Rockstar did it was so that we could have a young Jack as protagonist in RDR1 and not play as some 40 year old Jack who wouldn't even be able to kill Ross as he would be dead by then. John's actions did buy Jack and Abigail 3 years before Jack would ultimately fall in to the outlaw life. And remember the reason Ross and Archford know about John is because he went after Micah at a time when he finally had his family back together, he chose revenge over living a new life. Which renders his redemption act not so fruitful. Which also render's Arthur's ''main'' redemption arc(because he and John actually were able to save tens of people via stranger missions or random encounters) pretty useless. But this also ties to what Sister Calderon told Arthur, that you should try to do the good thing even if you won't get something out of it, just because you know it's right, that is how both John and Arthur reached their full arc of redemption. They did the right thing without thinking of what would come next.

[@هايالقناةفقطتجربة]

she probably committed suicide

[@deadlan2424]

@@هايالقناةفقطتجربةI highly doubt that she loved Jack too much to abandon him like that

[@هايالقناةفقطتجربة]

@@deadlan2424 yeah and she also loved john and what else would kill her bro?

[@Felipeluis804]

​@@هايالقناةفقطتجربةsadness can have concequences on your health too (being depressed) im saying she probably got sick by being depressed.

[@Felipeluis804]

​@@هايالقناةفقطتجربةor arthur's tb catch her after 10 years, its unlikely but probable.

[@ingen_nate_kenny6588]

Uncle lived a life of ease except lumbago and died with honor defending his family. He lives to 71. Best death.

[@gimmethepinkelephant3685]

Yeah, I was thinking similar.

[@hugoleroux4460]

The one shot kid, sounds like he had a pretty interesting life before he took lumbago to the knee.

[@banjomanperson]

@@hugoleroux4460I used to be a gunslinger like you, then I took a lumbago to the knee.

[@jameswestervelt6808]

In RDR you can turn Javier in alive. I like to think of him as the one gang member who ended up in federal prison.

[@PpVonDronAnd11Eyeballs]

I thought Ross mentioned he would be hanged though, probably not locked up for long in a prison.

[@fredcheckam]

I think a newspaper in RDR1 says he was hanged if you capture him alive

[@VictorDude98]

They also reveal that he's the only rapist out of the gang

[@bigboss4178]

lmao you seriously think 1911's government would waste tax money on feeding and sheltering MEXICAN criminals bruh Escuella got necked hard

[@NoahBTW_]

John confirms that he had only a few days left to live if you catch him alive

[@prkzcr]

Idk I feel like Arthur’s shouldn’t really matter on when he died. I think the point of his death is that he died knowing he changed for the better and that considering the life he live his last moments were pretty peaceful and are almost exactly how he said himself he wanted to die

[@RedDeadTierLists]

The fact that he died young and couldn’t live out the rest of his life makes his death and spot in B tier warranted.

[@James-216]

@@RedDeadTierListsno it doesn’t 😭

[@HenryJit]

No he said that in chapter 2 where he wanna die on a sunset he died on a sunrise in chapter 6 which means he changed but not exactly what he said but yeah

[@hakone1841]

@@James-216 i mean looking at the people on A and S and the reasons they were there he def shouldnt be on their level, he changed a lot of peoples lives for the better, he found his redemption and became a better man, however he had to watch the "entire" gang turn on him and john, he watched dutch someone he looked up too make a turn for the worst and realized he was not the same guy anymore, he also died by micah, his last attempt to help john and them it didint work out since john was set to kill micah to avenge him which led them down a bad path. he also died very young, alone and suffered slowly from the tb. the ones on the top survived, were happy, helped people and it was a sweet ending, arthur is more bittersweet

[@KagekiriToriko]

I think you guys are misunderstanding. I don't think he's rating the quality of the deaths or impact. I think op is rating how shitty it would be to die in these way

[@shirestroller]

Jack ends up having a good life... well kinda. We see in GTA 5 there's a book called Red Dead by J Marston. I know they're not in the same universes but since jacks fate isn't revealed it would be nice to think that he did indeed settle down on the ranch, write a book about his life and the rest of his days panned out nicely.

[@BreadPittAAAAHHHH]

Tbh there is no indication that rdr and gta are not in the same universe

[@mr.carnage3210]

I remember reading somewhere that all games published by Take2 share universe So RDR, GTA and Mafia series would all share universe. Meaning it's possible that Jack Marston got to meet Tommy Angelo or Vito Scaletta at some point in his life

[@josephkane4078]

Hoseas death was so well done though. The helplessness the gang all felt, the suspension and dutches desperation and fear in the moment before hosea was shot to then being blinded by a moment of rage

[@loganharvill5394]

The saddest part about johns death is when he tells his family not to worry and that he'll catch up with them even when he knows he's about to die

[@snepp010]

arthurs death is s tier if you get there with high honor, he changed from the rough outlaw to an introspective and kind man. furthermore his death is symbol of peace and him giving a piece of himself to marston, i def cried because of the beauty

[@KINGMUNEYFAYGOgNg]

Kieran’s was the worst… bro did not deserve that shit..

[@samuraidoggy]

Yeah. He never got his own farm, a loving wife, a son, a decent life like John got. He was tortured, humiliated, hated, brutally murdered. Way, way worse than John had.

[@KINGMUNEYFAYGOgNg]

@@samuraidoggy I’m glad we agree I see so little people mention it but he was one of my favorite characters

[@bugsin_myskin]

Imo I think Kieran's death was supposed to be more of a shock factor than to make people sad but i guess we'll never know 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@RedDeadTierLists]

It is idk what that has to do with his fate tho

[@bugsin_myskin]

@@RedDeadTierLists I was just rambling ig

[@RedDeadTierLists]

All good!

[@speedrunmcporridge286]

I think it was kind of a metaphor , as throughout the game we only see Kieran riding a horse before he’s kidnapped and at this death scene, despite being an expert with horses. It shows that he was still likely oppressed in the gang despite arthur and Dutch accepting him.

[@bugsin_myskin]

@@speedrunmcporridge286 That actually kind of makes sense.

[@هايالقناةفقطتجربة]

jacks fate was definitely the worst he's just dead from the inside 😕

[@Model3140digitalalarmclock]

And everyone else is just dead.

[@هايالقناةفقطتجربة]

@@Model3140digitalalarmclock that's why he had the worst fate everyone he loved either died or left him and he didn't grow up with other kids just outlaws so yeah death is literally a better fate than what he got

[@Superman-cd1hs]

​@@هايالقناةفقطتجربةand he even said it himself that he had nothing to live for

[@PouchStealer]

One Thing you missed on Trelawny is that in the epilogue in Saint Denis you can hear him and his family over in an alleyway

[@VictorDude98]

You can hear that conversation at any time in the game

[@WWNbroadcasts]

Where in st Denis?

[@jackryan444]

Lenny’s sucks because he’s so young and also only Arthur and Charles even really take a second to notice it in the heat of the moment. Granted that is when both of them really start to be disenfranchised with Dutch. So a needed step… but a doozy of one.

[@Matt_History]

You commented on Micha needing to become old. Given he never left the gunslinger style of crime him being into his late 40's is a serious accomplishment. Hosea reached that age by avoiding armed conflict and Arthur Morgan was being told he was losing his edge at 36. Micah by his death was probably the second best gunslinger in his age bracket with only Dutch being older and still a better draw

[@RedDeadTierLists]

Yeah Micah was definitely successful, and lived way longer, but at least it doesn’t seem like he got to do all that he wanted. Still good for living that long.

[@marcelladonyi2409]

Arthur lost his strength due to tb. He was the best shot in the gang till his death.

[@DaleClark-er5kq]

It would have been ironic if Micah had been suffering from TB. when he was killed by John, for the "black lung" comments he threw at Arthur in chapter 6.

[@notyourdaddude1957]

Bruh what you on about? Arthur remained until his death the best gunslinger from the whole gang. He was far more superior than 1899 John and Micah by far. Sure Micah was a good gunslinger but Arthur tops him easily.

[@taski1]

@@RedDeadTierLists seems all he wanted to do was kill and maybe be a legend. Even when shot, in his eyes he'd already won

[@davidgaruccio]

Sean getting shot and the clouds looking like a skull is a nice little detail even if its not intentional

[@samarvir126]

Johns death was straight up overkill

[@bambigaming1866]

IT'S THE KZbinR GUY

[@TheOfficalVino]

Arthur should get S tier because high honor you die on a sunset and on low honor you get shot in the face by Micah

[@tisdensppe]

JUSTICE FOR UNCLE YK WHY? HE HAD FREAKING LUMAGO!

[@jad563]

John and Abigail still got to be a family for more than a decade with Jack, peacefully. And with his death John finally let the Pinkertons get off of his family. Kieran’s fate was the worst.

[@pyroAdapt]

Dude you completely misunderstood the point of johns death..you sound like the little kids who hated on the death when the game came out because it wasn't what they wanted the ending to be. There was so much more to his death than what you make it out to be and I don't know how you missed it that badly.

[@samuraidoggy]

yeah guy has no understanding of drama at all.

[@uploadse6576]

Jack dies of heart disease but he grows old, I don't remember the exact date but it was a bit after the fall of the Soviet union

[@Qwertyuiopaz]

Where did you get all this forbidden info?

[@Brugar18]

So hes at least 90, or maybe even 100 years old till he dies

[@uploadse6576]

@@Qwertyuiopaz I sold my soul

[@Casual_guy1234]

He dies in the 1990s

[@user-hx6gs9rq7u]

That’s just fan fiction made up by whoever writes the Wikipedia page. Rockstar never said anything like that

[@cicibenji190]

Its the fact dutch said “we cant fight gravity” in both games

[@Iceblade269]

I think Micah’s death should be higher. Let’s see why - He successfully turned Dutvh against everyone, and managed to get all of Blackwater’s loot - Started his own gang and was obviously acting like a maniac until John found him - Probably betrayed more people in his run, with Cleet being one of his victims - Finds it hilarious that Dutch shot him, and dies laughing. - His death led to the Pinkertons finding John. Micah won. He died, but he got everythong he wanted out of his life.

[@Cat_Momo_08]

Strauss deserved that fate. Him wanting Arthur to collect the debts for him caused Arthur to get TB. If not for Micah & Strauss, Arthur would have survived.

[@lks7842]

It's so funny to see how warped people's perspectives are on these characters in actual reality. Like if the Van Der Linde Gang was real, who do you think people are gonna think are worse? the loaner that takes advantage of poor people or the murdering thieving outlaw that was killing people all the way until his last breaths. We'd be rooting for Pinkertons irl but because we have the perspective of the criminal we sympathize and hate who he hates and the people who say "Arthur didn't deserve to die but Strauss did" would probably flip that if they were real people in real life. That being said, fuck Strauss

[@HenryJit]

Most biased comment ever

[@Dragono_]

No he wouldn’t, he just would’ve died differently. Don’t forget that Arthur only become a “good man” after his TB diagnosis. If it weren’t for that, it could be possible that Arthur would’ve sided against John in C6

[@themanofconstantsorrowelia1929]

​@@Dragono_ Arthur never really changed though. Dutch changed because of the pressure and Micah. Arthur was always talking against dutch when he had a bad plan and wouldn't just leave.

[@ishotmyselfandnowiamdying8199]

@@lks7842 Agreed! The people never knew (nor cared) that Arthur was trying to be redeemed for his sins. Darn Strauss to hell

[@Arbiterenergysword]

Micah getting shot six times in the balls had me dead💀💀💀

[@terribleskitzo6085]

Honestly, I didn’t even know I could encounter some of the old gang (Mary Beth, Tilly) in the epilogue till I watched your video. Always wondered what happened to them, cool thing is I keep finding new things every play through.

[@gachaxenomorph]

6:55 😂 Just making sure that in case he lived that he wouldn't have any children i see. Straight in his family jewels 😂

[@alvins.mindset]

1:02 To say John didn’t save anyone is so dumb the whole point of John doing what he did in the end was to save his family he knew they wanted him dead so he sent his family off to protect themselves and got ready to face the music alone his sacrifice was for Abigail and Jack he saved them Abigail doesn’t die till later in the series where we come back and Jack is burying her

[@disloyaldoggy564]

I don't think Sadie was looking for a new husband - I think she loved Jake (her husband's name) too much to remarry, but it's implied she most likely went to work and guard this gold mining factory, if I remember correctly

[@kishoreking5170]

i don't think, i agree with any ranking, but my life, Arthur had the worst fate of all of them. every single one of them in that gang, had some sort of happiness except Arthur. I am aa huge John Marston fan, but lets face it, his fate only became a reality only because of his stubbornness. That life destroyed everything for most of them involved, Only John, Marybeth and Tilly got a good life from that way of life and it was entirely Johns fault. Plus he got the dream life for literally 4 years and got to spend time with his family for 8 years. yes it was sad when it ended, but Arthur had the worst ending of all the main guys.

[@drdumbelious]

never let bro cook ever again, bro thinks DUTCH MFING DUTCH had a better death than jack marston, JACK LIVED TILL HIS 80s TO 90s HE HAD A WONDERFUL DEATH HE LIVED A FULL AHH LIFE

[@gimmethepinkelephant3685]

I'm not sure I'd give Marston the worst. At least he had some time out of the gang life to live with his family and build a home and do something. Most others did not. Many spent their lives either in hiding or were killed before they even got to do that.

[@Woozie87]

John’s death feels even more of a gut punch if you play Red Dead 2 first, cause Arthur dying action was to save the marston family for another shot at life.

[@koolaid33]

I know there isn't much to go off of, but you should've included Davey, Mac and Jenny's deaths too. They aren't major roles in the story, and the only one we see is Davey and he's in the first cutscene and has no dialogue before he dies, but we do know how they each died and they were part of the Van der Linde gang. Also could include Cleet and Joe since they informally join the Van der Linde gang near the end.

[@Villosa64]

Man, Kieran didn't deserve a single bit of his fate. Kieran was a really nice guy who was mistreated his whole life.

[@sharktoof1]

I was sick with the flu for 2 weeks, and I played Red Dead and Red Dead 2 back to back. With my nose already plugged, my fever high, and my cough bad……I was emotionally wrecked. But what a time I had going through these stories, getting to know these characters. Amazing. Sensational. Moving games.

[@gimmethepinkelephant3685]

Did you play them in the correct order, or did you play Red Dead Redemption first?

[@therealmanguyman]

Immersive RDR2 gameplay. Just attract a sickness.

[@sharktoof1]

@@gimmethepinkelephant3685 I’m a cultured man and played Red Dead 2 first. 😎 Only way to do it. Storie(s) hit even harder.

[@sharktoof1]

@@therealmanguyman couldn’t have done it any other way unfortunately. I’m working a lot and it’s hard to find time. When you’re sick in bed and not doing anything else, game on 🤘🏼

[@therealmanguyman]

@@sharktoof1 I'm glad to know you got a pretty immersive TB experience.

[@megaego6374]

Every single time I watch one of your videos I find myself saying you don’t know what you’re talking about

[@jackryan444]

Also who killed Javier? Doesn’t everyone take him alive? Yeah that likely means a noose, but better than shot dead by your brother.