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[@omarhaq9635]

He basically took Bubba with him to do the graveyard robbery while leatherface was pulling out caskets and opening them hitchiker takes pictures of them then starts making art work out of them

[@TheSawyerSlasher]

The current grapple choose fight meta is doing these iconic Sawyer family characters a disservice..

[@Jeromepkr]

The fact that that and the rush meta hasn't been slowed at all is ridiculous.

[@rickysticky01]

yes I agree 32:00let’s go back to the insta-kill just make it so when it’s says “close encounter won” THAN you will take chip damage if you are getting hit. That’s what we ALWAYS wanted family/victims were OKAY with that! Great podcast too guys keep it up

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Thank you Ricky!

[@ralphshiverriba155]

I’ve actually had this idea for TCM game that borrows a mechanic from DBD, to sort spice things up: The first victim that gets killed by the family, instead of dying they are incapacitated, the family absolutely cannot kill them, instead they have to carry them just like gallow execution to a freezer where the victims used to hide. It could be any freezer on the map, but it only works on ONE victim. The other 3 victims can still die the same, and the other victims can save the one in the freezer but they have to guess where the family put them or they freeze to death. After they are rescued they can die the same as everyone else. This sort of like a second chance rescue mechanic

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

I serioulsy was talking to Darrin about this the other day! I really like that idea.

[@digitalsquid6031]

@ralphshiverriba155 I love the idea of having the first victim be incapacitated as it solves one issue i have been toying with myself (how to make more incapacitation) but i would like to ask a follow up, assuming the game were to still follow the rush meta, that or victims were to ignore their friend(s). What other changes would need to be implemented

[@agentallstar7]

It’s not a bad idea but having to carry them to a destination means they’ll be out by the time you’re done.

[@digitalsquid6031]

@agentallstar7 dont forget the gallows. Many perks are tied to making use of the gallows, even allowing full family to deal extra damage

[@napalmwolf1728]

@@agentallstar7I think he means after they fix the whole rushing victim problem. Honestly the freezer hiding spots are just collecting dust, along with other hiding spots, might as well use it for something else

[@JohnathanIveymma]

I always look forward to Mondays when you guys release these longer podcasts. And your first 2 movie reviews have been dope. Both you guys are killing it! 💯

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Thank you my man! We love doing it 🤘

[@bankfrauds]

I’m not saying this game is bad or anything but I’m saying that this game is in a bad state right now i miss the old Texas where victims were stealthy and were extremely scared to approach the family but now it’s the other way around victims chase families to grapple them and the battery strat rushing and everything gosh🤣

[@bankfrauds]

I never had a problem where the grapple instant die thingy but if they add that back they should do it that if u win the grapple there is no animation thing like when u grab Johnny’s ear or anything you just run away that would be nice

[@UNDEFEATED7000]

True

[@Deadshotsx]

I miss old tcm too cus I remember when I first started playing I was too scared to go near grandpa to stab him 😭

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

I totally agree!

[@TastyNuggets554]

They should bring the insta grapple kill but once a victim wins it they aren’t able to be instant killed anymore if they are animation

[@Stranzua]

Here's my suggestion for TCM. 1. The valve can no longer be instantly tampered/opened by Danny and the valve can no longer be instantly ripstalled/closed by Hands. (This makes it so Danny is no longer OP if Hands isn't in the game, and this makes it so Hands doesn't turn the game into a camp fest.) 2. The valve now requires a team effort. Make it take longer to open the valve exit and remove the tank regression completely. (This allows the family to patrol the other exits more frequently at the beginning of the match. This is a direct counter to rushing as the valve will only start off as a distraction. Meanwhile, the victims consistently pressuring the valve increasingly puts more pressure on the family as the match goes on.) 3. Make grappling a killer attribute. This will make killers like Hands and Johnny instantly strong at grappling. The other killers can be strong at grappling but only at the cost of taking potential attribute points away from savagery, blood harvesting, and endurance. (This will make it so victims with low strength will no longer be able to constantly bitch slap Johnny, etc.) 4. Leatherface's 4th attribute will be 'stun resistance'. (Since LF doesn't grapple, his new attribute will allow him to be increasingly more stun resistant. If you are willing to take potential attribute points away from savagery, blood harvesting, and endurance, Leatherface can now be completely resistant to stuns.) 5. Make it so poison will now cause a status effect that decreases stamina regeneration for 15 seconds. (This will be a buff mainly for Sissy and Nancy, and it will also be a counter to the recent victim endurance fix. Sissy will be able to give every killer this buff on their next attack if they walk through her poison cloud. Nancy and Sissy can now poison Nancy's and Hitchhiker's traps. This will make Sissy's ability to poison items more effective. This will also give victim perks like choose flight, clear eyes, and immunity more value.) If the players still want Danny to be able to tamper the valve, then maybe it should only make the gate stay open longer. If the players still want it so Hands can still ripstall the valve, then maybe it should only make it so the valve cannot be turned back on for a certain amount of time.

[@joshsmit513]

@@Stranzua That’d be an interesting concept! Do you think there should be additional stat points if grappling were to be added as a stat or have family manage it with the current stat points provided? I’d love to see a buff for Sissy and Nancy! If not something like that, maybe have their poison debuff the next healing item used so it’s not effective. I just hope they change something for Family soon.haha

[@Stranzua]

@@joshsmit513 I believe that there would have to be rework of the starting stat points, and I think that there should be more attribute points added to the skill tree to make up for the 4th attribute. A few grappling perks would be nice as well.

[@joshsmit513]

@@Stranzua I’d love to see more grappling perks for family! I used to run Spore Loser on Sissy because it was so frustrating constantly getting in to grapples but I have that up after the skill tree rework to focus more on her chase and lethality so they can win the grapples and then I run them down and take them out of the match whenever I get the chance.

[@MrSachmoe17]

Besides the grapple & grandpa perk issues, endurance changes have been nuts to deal with as family. I feel like I need to have Scout bc without it, I can't catch up to survivors with endurance builds. I agree that Gun has a good history of addressing imbalance caused by a poorly QA'd patch.

[@Mavvyd96]

28:42 That gave me a good chuckle.

[@BrandonOfJapan]

Holy fuck, a tremors asymm would actually be fantastic.

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

🤣 Right..🔥

[@RageAsylum187]

Dont lock your clips behind a paywall guys trust me its one of the things that hurt Sleevedbiker i used to mod for him but you guys are much nicer people he was a jerk. Still it was one thing that hurt his channel. I hope this advice helps. A better pay incentive is to play with fans or paid members then locking content behind subs. Sadly im on ss its hard to give money to youtubers. That doesnt mean i dont appreciate you guys your fun keep up the good work

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

We aren't trying to lock it behind a paywall...although now that you say that you got a point. We just were not planning on doing as much gameplay thus putting it out to members only so that we aren't messing up the algorithm with inconsistent posting. We will take another look at it though. 🤘

[@thegreatdoctordank5559]

I was wondering what happened to that guy. I use to enjoy his channel, but he couldn’t make up his mind if he was staying or going?

[@serioustable8659]

I think the Wrestlemania meta is over, in the next update they are buffing some grandpa perks. One of them is Suffocating Grip getting moved to level 1 and it's 25% instead of 20%. It was already good for countering grappling, but now you will be able to get it easier/sooner and it's even better. Victims will actually be afraid of grappling (as they should be) and people will want to level up or derank grandpa more, making him more important. Nobody Escapes Hell is also getting moved to level 2 and is 50% harder instead of 40%, and Exterior Alarms is still level 3 but lasts 10 seconds so you are less likely to miss it. A few others are buffed but no level changes. I think these buffs will make people interact with grandpa more and rushing grandpa to level 2 with the right perks could be a good strat

[@Mavvyd96]

32:00 100% reinstate the old grapple mechanic.

[@pacemaker2010]

Maybe what they could do to change the grapple meta is every time a victim grapples a family member, the family will always at least get one hit in causing damage. The victims are “injured” and shouldn’t be in the best shape to fight

[@brodywalker3717]

During that clip bro that Leland was just asking for it. 1. He looped and backstabbed my bro. 2. He then starts to teabag. And to top it all off the guy was wearing Lelands worst and most standout outfit, the lineman outfit. A few minutes later the dude paid the price.

[@Habadas_LT]

The current decrease in the TCM player base is directly related to DBD 2v8. A similar was when KK came out.

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

I really don't think so....the decline was directly related to the latest patch. I am sure there are some that play DBD's new mode, but overall TCM caused this one

[@Habadas_LT]

@@FrightNight_Gaming Honestly, i noticed that many bigger streamers were playing DBD after 2v8 came out. So it definitely impacted the player base. That last change is not that huge of a deal to make people rage quit.

[@aaronbranham6710]

As a killer main in DBD its great to have a teammate

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Absolutly!

[@Bigtxsfan]

24:07 you guys wanted too see more unique killers how about a family feast execution where leather face can bring the victims to a table while incapacitated. If two or more family members are there they can have a family member cook a victim and the rest of the family eat the victim a bit more morbid but would fit into the game. Also I think they should bring in some victims attributes to the family like proficiency and strength. proficiency would let family turn on objectives faster and strength would make it easier to win close encounters and to barge doors. Family need a good buff like allowing them to have 4 perks instead of 3 to have more attributes this will make more people play family guaranteed.

[@SegaCDUniverse]

I agree with your points. The backfill issue needs to be fixed and the level 99 are major. Now the new gameplay is also screwed up but can be tweaked.

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Facts 👆

[@Swagger_Chief]

Pimp cook should be added with new voice lines and when he kills a victim instead of dying they follow him around the match

[@Buuboi214]

It’s crazy how Gunn interactive haven’t acknowledged the state of the game or gave any indication that they’re looking into it. To at least give the players some type of assurance that a fix is coming.

[@tunnelsnakesgaming]

Tcm is alright if you have a teammate and if the random knows the map and protects his doors but with the new family players just throws off the match some don't even lock the door even though it's a tip on screen don't know how some people miss that lol. Me and my brother play to win please use some of my clips if you want to guys, love your content too.

[@fnafgamerneo5765]

Iam so excited for the tcm anniversarry 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉i hope they bring in cool stuff

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

They have to....right?

[@Johnny34858]

Camping great love the content❤❤ Edit: damit changed gameplay to members im to broke atleast my fav about yall is talking about games and movies

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Ya we may keep posting gameplay in the future....we are mainly moving it to members because we are not posting as often....a little buys with the movies and gaming podcast 🤘

[@Johnny34858]

@@FrightNight_Gaming love the movie reactions dog dick was funny as hell man I miss chop top being in Texas movies

[@Bigt-_-66]

Edwin O'Neal is the guy who played hitchhiker. But I would definitely agree there's a lot that needs changed about this game the family is getting run over nobody wants to play people don't realize that if nobody plays family the game ain't going to stick around very long

[@Habadas_LT]

My personal suggestion: remove Chose Fight. But make strength to impact stun duration more. 0.1 seconds per 1 strength. 15 STR = 1.5 seconds stun duration, 50 STR = 5 seconds stun duration. Also, Grappling and Suffocated Grip should go too, and only strength and health should affect grappling effectiveness. Such way grappling will be effective only on those who have high strength, or invest into the strength.

[@Bazar1700]

Im having fun with tcm still its my most played game ~ 300 hours i still have 6 trophies to get

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Strong Work

[@Bazar1700]

@@FrightNight_Gaming does double xp go thru today ?

[@BaptizeInFire]

Definitely take it back to one shot kills in grapple, but unlock victims from animation on win. It bananas to me this “us vs them” mentality. There are very few “family mains”, the majority of family players are “quick match mains” that prefer the victim role.

[@liamjohnson6830]

I think museum Mode comes out on Thursday

[@marcinki2912]

Now the most efficient tactic for victims is rushing to the exit regardless of anything. When victims stick in pairs, they don’t even care if they’re visible to the family cause there’s still nothing you can do to them, especially when you’re not Bubba or Johnny. One stab in the back and you’re out for 15 sec. Playing late nights when players are more experienced, it’s definitely more common now that all victims rushing, and the game is over after just few minutes, leading to no tactical play (many family players DC just after first victim escapes). The game should slow down, single play should be longer, this will bring back the character of this game and will be good for all of us.

[@sixfo684]

Rushing can easily be countered instead of being blood thirsty & running straight to the basement or staying in the basement as Bubba, the second grandpa wakes up as Bubba go up, anyone else STAY OUT OF THE BASEMENT, patrol the map doesn't mean camp & sit in one spot. Pay attention to victims points. Its really not hard to counter rushing & i play Solo

[@marcinki2912]

Of course you can counter rushing but my point was that the victims aren't afraid of family in the current game settings that's why they decide to rush so often.

[@pie_ninja]

Rough cut has been bugged for months and now they're finally fixing it.

[@MiniBEA5T]

DBD had about 70k players on steam alone over the weekend. It was also on a free to play period across a few consoles. Can't wait for future additions to the killer roster. Is there a killer you guys are hoping for in the future? (Think it's only going to be non licensed)

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

I am still figuring out what characters are available 🤣 Off the dome....the Leperchaun 🔥😂

[@rastassassin9416]

Someone definitely needs bear traps especially a character they release with like a wooded area cause i always see some kind of running through the woods scene and boom they get caught by bear trap

[@deshan79]

I don't have much confidence in TCM at this point. I wouldn't be suprised if we start seeing victim abilities where they can steal leatherface's chainsaw and start using it on family members

[@sixfo684]

Its really not that serious i play Solo Family & its very easy to counter victims depending on the character & build u run

[@Habadas_LT]

@@sixfo684 Yes, unless you get bad teammates or just those who DC.

[@adamhoward4775]

That cook skin is wack. We need big change, big thangs. Go on witcha oil change

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

You should know by now that their skins are never too crazy.

[@krazymegt3236]

I'm a victim main and I hate when other people rush I like playing stealthy slow and try to get out the way it used to work I hate the rushing

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

I hate rushing too...because I always die 🤣 Na I agree Krazymegt...stealthy is more fun...more immersive. It is a shame that the stealth attribute is useless right now.

[@RitchL99]

Hope u boys had a blast!! Scotland life has had me camping most of my younger days! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Clicked the video as fast as i could When i seen it! ✅ Edit : Appreciate these pods! 🤝💯

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

We did...great time with family 🤘 We appreciate having ya 🔥

[@DeadSyncX]

I feel like Hands would feel better if it were easier to win grapples as Hands but instead of him instant killing you, if he wins he barges you over.

[@meistermody]

Easiest Solution for the Game: -All Family Members except Leatherface spawn at the same time as the Victims -Electric grids placed in the middle of the Gate so Victims have to Turn off the Objective before they can pick the lock and Family has to Use Rubber Boots to trap/Padlock the Gate (or turn off and then on) -Grappling should insta Kill again as long as the Victim hasnt already Won -Nerf Choose Fight and Tae kwon Door and MAX the extra stun time to 3 seconds on the lvl 3 variant

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Turning off the objective before the lock pick is an interesting idea. 🤔 Nerfing the stun duration on choose fight & family spawn time is a must...in my opinion

[@VivaLaMayo]

Hot take for me but I think leatherface should be the center piece or the game and I think leatherface should have no need to level up any perks and should of just have set stats with max savagery,endurance and 100 blood and instant chainsaw start,no stalling and rubber boots,this allows new players to get to grips with leatherface easily while making a massive incentive for people to play family and leatherface more.This also heightens the scare factor knowing even new baby bubbas can still be deadly,low level bubbas are just painful to use and watch.Knowing leatherface can chase you through the electric makes your decision making as victim even more critical ●Grappling-victims animations of winning grapple should be changed to just quick bone scrap hit to some part of the front of the family's body,then victim can quickly run off and family animation is family holding the area where they are hit with bone scrap with stun duration limited to 5 secs depending on victims health and strength stats ● chipping should go back to instant execution to make victims think twice about grappling and balances it with the victim winning grapple sped up as mentioned before ●just remove grapple perk from everyone except leland ● Johnny lunging needs nerfing Then gun need to add alternative mode and more maps and cool skins

[@liamjohnson6830]

When I was little I was scared of Leatherface

[@Deadshotsx]

Same 💀

[@liamjohnson6830]

U get me Ty

[@liamjohnson6830]

I was scared when he attack Pam

[@Mickocarbomb]

i cant even play family rn because i get victims that will intentionally chase me to stab me or grapple, like im not even after you and youre coming at me. the games rolls got switched its messed up.

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Exactly Mick

[@SegaCDUniverse]

TCM def needs some tweaking on things, yet again. DBD is still pretty fun, I've been playing on and off since release. Not into the 2v8. Too chaotic and not very intense like some matches used to get.

[@Bigt-_-66]

Something I would also like to see is the family members getting different weapons y'all just said in this video that hitchhiker was a grave robber how about giving him a shovel

[@DoradoFever]

The lobbies are still annoying and amazing it hasnt been fixed. We still have issues with getting separated from our party and put into separate games (usually after a match) then get a penalty to rejoin. It also does nothing against people leaving during the game. Leaving during the lobby should be allowed with fixing the matchmaking, because you can (or at least should be able to refill and pull players from the queue) but having people wait to immediately DC from the game affects the actual gameplay for those left. Gun cant even make their logic make sense.

[@Thunderstorm902]

Until they fix stealth every game is gonna be a rush and maybe 1-2 victims trying to be quiet

[@yourgirlriver111]

Another great video! As much as I find the lobby issues annoying, it’s actually not the only reason why I’ve stopped playing tcm for a little bit. There seems to be a really weird bug whenever I first boot up the game where everything takes ages to load, and always the first game I enter is just broken and I can’t move or hear anything, and then it’ll sometimes disconnect me. (And then I have to wait 3 mins cus of the penalty😭) It’s just very time consuming and add the lobby issues on top of it, it can sometimes take 30/40 minutes to even get into a game the first time 😂 idk if this is like a optimisation issue but it’s been happening for a looooong time now. Do you guys or anyone else encounter this problem as well when booting up? It’s horribly frustrating

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

I have not encountered this but now I understand why they mentioned it in the Muerto Times. They said there are network issues on the first game for people that they are looking into. If you have to wait over 30 minutes that sucks 😤 What system do you play on?

[@yourgirlriver111]

@@FrightNight_Gaming I play on PC, maybe it’s some issues with steam then. Glad they’re finally fixing it! 😅

[@Jeromepkr]

Let's gooo

[@HexyBoooty]

tbh im not the best victim so i think we should keep grapples not everyone plays or has the time to play enough to be like these top victims

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

I hear ya, but I think there are other ways to help the victims out.

[@HexyBoooty]

@@FrightNight_Gaming what might those be so that I could get better?

[@Steaminbmon]

You spend more time in a lobby than a a game now. Its sad because its really a beautiful looking game. Its hard to not switch over to another game

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Ya...I will always play TCM, but I can't wait in lobbies that long...I just run a few matches and then switch it up

[@BirdInYourBackyard]

Man, I love TCM cause of the realism. I hate to see how poorly it's doing right now :(

[@KiwitheGator]

No mention of silent hill when asked about horror games 😢 good video as always anyway

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Dude...I was actually going to talk about Silent Hill, but we wanted to keep that segment shorter 😱Great game....I still remember watching my older brother play it...I was terrified 🤣

[@OddlySF]

I havent been playing because of lobby issues. I cant wait 15 mins for a game to start. As a victim, seems too easy, as a family member it can be annoying.

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Ya I hear ya

[@zero-jm7ok]

31:00 "you don't have to escape every game" On the same token, you don't have to get a 4k every match. And that's what I see consistently playing Family in solo. Often times the randoms on my team will insta disconnect the moment a door is opened or one person escapes or cook swings by one of his padlocks and sees it missing. Absolutely asinine and Family players need to call this dumb shit on our side more.

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

True...but a very different argument...kinda hard to change the way people play the game. Looks like you would like some skill based match making...and maybe a in-game DC penalty

[@zero-jm7ok]

@@FrightNight_Gaming Yep, and that's what I think about the rush problem too. It's hard to change the way people play the game and a lot of the suggestions I hear regarding it involve some sort of punishment which is not the way to go about it IMO. There's not an easy solution to it. edit: my initial point is within the same vein as what was said. It's two sides of the same coin.

[@frankkayla3522]

Will be sad that it's only for members. Big fan of you both but I'm a very broke college student honestly

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Na I think we will still do some gameplay for the subs....especially new stuff. Our DBD will go out to everyone . 🤘

[@RavenHeat]

DBD is fun but wraith is honestly busted cant out run him. 😅

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

I got smoked by a wraith in the 2 vs 8 mode 🤣

[@luisbaez8105]

only 1 person work in Gun 🤣🤣

[@jesse3050]

TCM 5v6?

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Don't know about that one 🤣

[@showmetheevidence8755]

I understand victims shouldn't be winning the grapples against hands but then hands shouldn't be able to have scout

[@crowclaw3897]

I will gladly accept that trade

[@sixfo684]

With victims running high endurance without scout victims can easily outrun family. Instead if trying to run in a straight line trying to outrun a killer maybe start using gaps & wells to escape from killers learn to loop, its really not hard

[@showmetheevidence8755]

@@sixfo684 w LL that's if they are running high endurance...not everyone does. But it doesn't make sense to have hands be ungrappable and faster than you. Honestly if you have 50 endurance you should be able to outrun family. Why does everyone think family should be stronger and faster than any victim even if they max out that specific attribute?

[@showmetheevidence8755]

@@sixfo684 and if you want the family to outrun victims on straight aways then they easily can by putting on scout....they fact you think they should outrun them even without scout is asking way too much. You literally solved your own problem by saying if they run high endurance AND family doesn't run scout then the victim can out run them...OF COURSE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TOO Imagine hands with max savagery and all attack buffs outrunning a max endurance victim....it would be so unbalanced.

[@Obi-Wan-Kenobi_]

I have thought about if a victim wins close encounter they have to wait 30 seconds before they can do it again with any family member even if they have a bone scrap Choose fight lvl 3 should be nerfed to 3 seconds instead of 5 then lvl 2 to 2.5 and honestly Leland shouldn't have choose fight. The amount of toxic assholes that play him and people wonder why family quits

[@GRIDDYKING538]

This game is completely destroyed needs fix i miss it 😢

[@seanmccloud9743]

I have been here since day one with this game they have taken everything from the victims they have Nerfed the victims perks states attributes perk combos perks supplies grapple are the victims last side of defense I don't know why everyone complains you have 10 seconds of stun immunity you can literally 4 tap victims all the complaints about victims are a skill issue people just want guaranteed kills because they are trash I don't like playing family because it's to easy this game will die I think people forget how you used to wait 30 minutes to get a game the reason is more than just lobby dodging it has to due to half the community leaving because gun only focuses on nerfing victims and not balancing The game and hacking if they continue to just nerf victims the game will die !

[@Aronio555]

Only 48 min 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Aronio555]

Sad

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

🤣 We shoot for 45 + - most of the time we end up talking too much 🤣

[@joshsmit513]

The more you fight family, the less likely you are to win grapples. That way victims have it when they need it but if they start to abuse it the family wins the close encounter by default.

[@sixfo684]

Its called suffocating grip, Bubba & team work. If someone is constantly grappling u can easily double team them to get them out the game & Bubba is the counter to grappling since he cannot be grappled & can do major damage. People just refuse to use the counters already in the game

[@joshsmit513]

@@sixfo684 Or, those things aren't always an option. Unless you're saying that Suffocating Grip should be unlocked regardless of which path you take on the skill tree for all Family members? When I'm in a premade lobby and we can agree to play Bubba, your idea works sometimes, assuming that Bubba isn't busy elsewhere, since good victims can pressure multiple points at once. In solo q, a decent Bubba isn't always guaranteed(myself included). Relying on Bubba shows an underlying problem though- that every other family member is just too weak, which goes back to my initial point. Victims shouldn't be chasing down family members to initiate grapples. It's possible, JUST POSSIBLE, that sometimes those counters aren't always viable, and that when they aren't, is when it becomes very frustrating for family. If you’re telling me the rush/grapple meta is 100% countered by this I’d love to know your Twitch so I can see your Family win streak in solo q doing just these things, because I def need to take notes.

[@liamjohnson6830]

Hey guys

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

Sup Liam

[@liamjohnson6830]

There new blackout cosmetics

[@bankfrauds]

@@liamjohnson6830 need one for Virginia and Maria 😣

[@liamjohnson6830]

Yeah Ik especially Bubba and Hands

[@XoXo.Serenity-nj9cr]

@@liamjohnson6830bubba has a blackout chainsaw but he needs a full on blackout outfit , that would be horrifying

[@liamjohnson6830]

Ik

[@holy9781]

Family mains. Im pretty good victim and I still lose 50/50. Alot of family just dnt know how to play family. Ur guys hate the rush but if we dont, then hands,hitch and cook will literally hold the game hostage if they set up traps. Hands has infinite traps to keep doing. Victims hated playing once hands came out and hes still broken. At this point u guys just want victims to walk. Also u guys complained about gun need to get away from realism but now its not realistic when Connie fights hands. U can't win with family mains. U literally read only family comment. I would love to see how these people play in the comments. Im constantly in victim matches where no one listens or works together and we all lose. Where are these matches where family is getting dominated all day? From what isee when one victims escape family leaves. U guys wanna win every match and yall are killing this game.

[@FrightNight_Gaming]

You are taking the Family vs Victim argument here...we are talking about the game as a whole. I never blame players for playing a certain way....when I am a victim I rush as well...you gotta sometimes...and I also die a lot doing that 🤣. We just want the best version of the game we can get...and right now the lobbies are a problem because nobody wants to play family

[@Pacazi]

Who wanna see how a COD player dominates TCM?

[@robertmorgan3281]

🤔 sounds like skill issues for some because when I get kills with hitchhiker I teabag them (victims) right back. Lmfao 😂