Redmire Train 06feb90 Keith Allen

[@dieseldave3879]

Very interesting freight movements!🚂👍

[@donniblanco5239]

Great Double Header Action - A Brilliant look back into history👍🏻

[@Shelfandtabletoplayouts00gauge]

Outstanding video

[@rachelcarre9468]

Excellent

[@johnwyldbore73]

What an amazing video, 2 of Thornabys stalwarts there. Sure my Dad would’ve repaired those two 37’s many times. Thank you for sharing.😊

[@pn112upfast]

Flyshunting the brake van cool👍

[@mattwilson6552]

Excellent stuff, what a lot of action, effort and time, from you and them. Thank you.

[@PeaveyPV20]

Brill quality footage and suprised to see so many manual crossings even in 1992

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

I've got one a couple of miles away on the ECML just south of Helpston. Plus one on the way to Narch and another on the way to Stamford. Train crew operated level crossings are common on freight only lines.

[@YorkiePaulus]

Thanks for uploading Peter. I was brought up on the line at Bedale fuel depot in the 60's/ 70's. Wish I'd seen it when it was working as a through line to Garsdale

[@saltspringrailway3683]

In '84 we stayed at a friend's cottage in Redmire when a morning train pulled up in full view from our bedroom window! There is a public footpath crossing the railway near the hopper so we could get a front row seat to watch the action. I think a girder from the silo is now acting as a bridge over a stream flowing into the River Ure.

[@jayblake7005]

Fantastic , thanks very much

[@rodgertaylor2387]

Great footage Peter 👍

[@gridler]

Peter thanks for uploading glad I read your comments about this move on facebook excellent footage from the good old days great to see this operation in action. Cheers Lee

[@kevomints1]

That’s a great video thank you

[@andybailey9347]

11.32, some nimble footwork!

[@Supersonic8984]

That main line propelling move is something else, I doubt you'd be allowed to get away with that on todays network.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

They do that all the time with the remaining Class 91+Mk4 sets when running from Leeds.

[@kevfrombutterley]

@@neiloflongbeck5705 Not driven from the 91 😂

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@kevfrombutterley no, but still being propelled. Although the rule book would allow it. The guard would have to ride in the leading cab to observe all signals and signs as well as applying the brakes whilst the driver applied power and observed all fixed signals.

[@jamesgill3319]

Never did that in my time on the railway 1964-1974

[@Sam_Green____4114]

Damn good video ! Captures it well !! Brings back so many memories ! I went to Redmire about this time to take some pics !! The staff were very friendly and helpful even before they found out I worked for BR down south ! Let me stand any where to take the pics (in a safe position of course ) then made me a cup of tea! I was on holiday in the area and watch the train and took pics all along the line and several locations over the course of two weeks !Thank god the line still survives !( Wasn't saved only by the MOD wanting it to deliver Army vehicles to redmire ?)

[@arthurmatthews9321]

That was an odd working. Having to reverse up the ECML to access the branch.

[@smileypetesvideos]

I think it was the last working of it's kind in the UK to propel across a mainline.

[@stevieb9699]

Great video Keith many thanks for taking this footage which has turned out to be of historical value. All the best... Steve PS was that you Mk1 Cavalier?

[@smileypetesvideos]

Thanks, Keith was my brother in law and the cavalier was my first car and together we chased the trains. He videoed and I took photos.

[@Perchpole]

How on earth did the guard communicate with the loco? On a long train he would need to tell the driver when they had cleared a level crossing or points. During the propelling move, like the one in this video, he might need to raise the alarm. Was it all done with hand signals and flags?

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Hand signals by lamp or flag to control movements plus access to the brake valves. I never saw this in person, but at Tallington there were signs to the side of the line give lengths in SLU (Standard Length Units) for the train crew so they could judge their position. But unlike at Tallington, these trains were of fixed lengths.

[@smileypetesvideos]

My brother in law would sometimes work the train as guard and he said it was a hairy ride but thankfully no accidents. He would use the train brake valve to indicate to the driver.

[@Perchpole]

@peterburnett1806 Thanks for this. So, turning a tap in the guards van would provide feedback to the driver? That's fascinating.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@Perchpole the guard has to travel in the rear most vehicle with access to the brakes in any train that is reversing and most observe any signals and signs (speed limits limit of shunt, etc) and act accordingly, ie applying the brakes whenever needed.Limit of Shunt has the relevant Sectional Appendices (Table F of the 1983 gives the rules for proppelling trains or vehicles.

[@andrewbrown6786]

The Guards Brake had an emergency brake valve that allowed them to stop the train. Once clear of the points and signal- the guard would make a brake application as a nod to the driver. When the guard released the brakes, it told the driver they had a proceed aspect on the signal and were clearly to propel over the opposite line. It was extremely common practice at the time.

[@CameronJohnston-pf5gy]

How did they get away with pushing a train of that length without a derailment?

[@smileypetesvideos]

My brother in law would sometimes work the train as guard and he said it was a hairy ride but thankfully no accidents.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

According to the 1983 Sectional Appendix the train was only 45 SLUs long plus locomotives (1 SLU equals 21ft) making the train about 1,050ft long in total. The speed was limited to 20mph.

[@andybailey9347]

Fascinating details of freight movements

[@pn112upfast]

Would such fast reversal through a station be permitted now?

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

If done by the rule book it was only done at 20mph.

[@jamesgill3319]

Why not?