Ableton Auto Shift vs. Antares Auto-Tune Pro | Best Vocal Tuning Plugin

[@AshMidnyt]

I was actually playing around the other day with them both. Yes, Autoshift definitely introduces some artifacts. I'd say it has a "warm tape" feel to it - kind of liked that dirty sound at first, but quickly realized that it's not meant for every vocal use. Whereas, with Antares Autotune - it introduces a pleasant "Clean Tube" feel with every vocal performance.

[@ReidStefanMusic]

I agree, AutoTune cleanly tunes the vocal. AutoShift darkens & digitizes the sound with tuning. Unwanted artifacts & clicks don't happen to me as often using AutoTune Pro. However, AutoShift can definitely be useful for background vocals or things that don't need the presence of a modern pop lead vocal.

[@AshMidnyt]

@ReidStefanMusic 100% correct. Im sure they will nail it with future updates. This got me thinking: Do a comparison between Logic Pitch Correction, FL Studio Pitcher and Autoshift. Then maybe a separate video between Logic Flex Pitch, FL Studio Newtone and Antares Graph Mode?

[@ReidStefanMusic]

@@AshMidnytcomparing auto pitch correction plugins is easy, but comparing manual pitch correction softwares is somewhat of a waste of time, because the results will always favor whichever software you personally know best.

[@AshMidnyt]

@@ReidStefanMusic I think the goal here would be which one sounds more natural. 🙂 I think we should collab on an afrobeat for Karra. I mean, I am from Africa after all. 😀

[@ReidStefanMusic]

@@AshMidnyt in manual pitch correction plugins it takes extra time, experience, and practice to achieve “natural” sounding results. I know melodyne the best, so melodyne would have an unfair advantage in my tests

[@PAZ1984]

thanks for the passion put in your work, a lot of effort deserves recognition. Probably many people does not see the video quality, the lightning, the audio, the pedagogy explaining, just professional and clearly made with love.

[@pluginhoarder]

Stoked to have this for free in Live but honestly would probably never use it for anything other than tracking. It sounds so much less natural than most other tuners even waves tune realtime. Great video! ❤️🙏

[@baytheproducer]

I definitely noticed some artifacts during my tests too. I thought that might've just been me. Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't been relying on autoshift for most professional work but it's definitely been great to play around with. Great vid as always Reid!

[@markkirschenmann3925]

Very useful demonstration, thank you for posting!

[@ChuckSilva]

The most creative puppet in the game for real!🔥

[@papatoni3311]

ok ableton now give us stem separation or a bigger plugin open button

[@ReidStefanMusic]

Those are in my top 3 remaining feature requests too 🔥 my number one feature request is pre-punch recording so you can get back singing that happened before you pressed record too late like Pro Tools. Ableton already has background MIDI capture but no audio version

[@theflo.loudnoiz]

@@ReidStefanMusictbh I wouldn’t want my daw to listen to everything that happens in the studio :))

[@ReidStefanMusic]

@@theflo.loudnoizit’s only listening while the playback is going, and if you don’t punch record during playback that background recording file gets deleted immediately. It’s not like a surveillance camera

[@tubeo94]

Bro spitting facts

[@Ultraskill23]

@@ReidStefanMusic Freezing groups is my number one. These projects with 120 channels are too heavy for my PC.

[@SpeedRacerx89]

Even with its faults, still seems pretty impressive for a stock plug in. Great review.

[@ReidStefanMusic]

@@SpeedRacerx89 I agree! It’s still the best vocal plugin in Ableton 🔥

[@RXHMND]

love this puppet so much

[@M.W.777]

Hit em wit da Sickness (that was sick) -- You're a Boss!!

[@bboymac84]

4:17 Billie Eilish bad guy effect…😅

[@victornico]

How I’ve longed for the realest intro in the game

[@jefgirdler7232]

I think AutoShift is a GREAT addition to allow you to at least get some tuning on demos and such if you don't yet own Antares. I'm betting with some eq and compression, in the context of a mix, you can get these as near as makes no difference to indistinguishable. I'd DEFINITELY prefer to have it rather than nothing at all.

[@ReidStefanMusic]

It’s also useful when you don’t have your iLok for AutoTune Pro to open when you’re traveling

[@joshuakalani590]

auto shift sounds a bit raspy and dark while autotune is clear and has a nice top sheen so i'd have to add some highend air to brighten the vocals while using auto shift with something like fresh air. My use case would probably be layering harmonies with it or earlier in production.

[@iamkarramusic]

I love auto-shift but auto-tune will forever be my sauce 💖

[@cosmicsimonmusic]

The best intro eva, always

[@ReidStefanMusic]

It’s production time 😊👍

[@cosmicsimonmusic]

❤

[@ed_ms]

The clarity and volume are better with the Antares, that's true, but for a free included stock plugin not bad at all.

[@DanielMaruniak]

Perhaps with envelope following eq auto shift could be made to sound more crisp ? Either way, the difference was noticeable.

[@kithy3940]

I noticed you had to select the key on Antares auto-tune, although the sales rep at Sweetwater said that Antares auto-tune automatically selects the key

[@ReidStefanMusic]

AutoTune comes with a 2nd plugin called “AutoKey” which you can add to your instrumental track to detect it’s key and send the correct data to every instance of AutoTune in your session in one single click

[@kithy3940]

@@ReidStefanMusic Good to know. Thanks for the info!

[@kithy3940]

@@ReidStefanMusic That you for your reply. I would also like to know how graph mode in Auto tune compares to Melodyne?

[@ReidStefanMusic]

@ you will always get the best results using the software you know the best. Melodyne and Graph Mode both work perfectly. You simply have to choose one and learn it thoroughly

[@hoossembechiri6136]

Yaaaah finaly bro ....i was waiting for that fo long time ...u r the best with karra ....❤❤❤❤ U r the best ever ....so .....why u choose Ableton live as ur main daw ..over than other daws ...i wish u make a video about that soon olz ❤❤❤

[@ReidStefanMusic]

I like Ableton for the fun Stock plugins, making beats easily, and manipulating percussion loops with Beats warp Mode. I’m not the type of puppet to choose just 1 daw for everything tho 🔥

[@hoossembechiri6136]

@@ReidStefanMusic hh thnx boy u r the best with karra ....we r waiting for other tutorials....i like ur jobs big up ❣️❣️❣️❣️skrr♥️🌹🌹🌹

[@nicokarner3546]

Hey I wanted to ask if you think Autotunes Graph mode is equally as good as melodyne!

[@ReidStefanMusic]

You’ll get great results in either software provided you learn it thoroughly. You’ll get bad results as a beginner in either software.

[@prodznake]

Have you set the mode in Antares Auto-Tune to low-latency or was it using the slower hq algorithm?

[@ReidStefanMusic]

Low Latency mode was enabled as well as Classic Mode for the best latency performance

[@severusnare]

Thanks for this video ❤

[@mk_alexander]

In your comparison, you seem to have turned "B" off on Ableton's Auto-Shift. Think that may have made it at least closer to Auto-Tune?

[@ReidStefanMusic]

It’s a custom scale note needed for the song’s melody. The scale is customized in both plugins, so the settings match identically with B added to the scale

[@MaggieKasongo-f9y]

I need more help! I am on Ableton live suite 11.3.35, is it correct that we can't have access to autoshift, as it's only for Ableton 12 and up? If yes, is it then wiser for me to purchase Waves Tune live and use in my existing live version and save $, or would say Autoshift is better than waves tune live plugin and worth upgrading to live 12? Thank you for video 👏👏

[@ReidStefanMusic]

You need 12.1 or newer to access AutoShift

[@barrycole5930]

Im in a similar position, was hoping for a black friday upgrade discount, but also been looking into 12 for the midi tools (transformation and generation look really useful). 12 vs 11 didnt seem all that impressive at launch, not like 11 vs 10 was, but now it seems like 12.1 vs 11.3.35 and up is worth the cost for me at least.

[@istbook2689]

Thank youu 💜

[@ReidStefanMusic]

Thanks for watching 😊

[@dukeoflemonade]

Dont make anything too fire, Mr. In the Game. We don't want a fire on our hands.

[@blepr]

yayyy now i can recreate Arab money!! edit: I don’t even have ableton lol

[@audiompro]

awe ♥

[@kithy3940]

How did you know what key the song was in?

[@ReidStefanMusic]

I know what key the song is in because I produced it and remember what keys were played. If you didn't produce your beat, Use an app called Mixed In Key 11, or put the Antares AutoKey plugin on my beat to let it detect key

[@kithy3940]

@@ReidStefanMusic Does Antares Auto Tune even work if you already sing on key? I just tried it from the Universal Audio plugin and it made my voice sound terribly distorted. I’m pretty sure I picked the right key. I am now waiting download of Mixed in Key 11 just to make sure.

[@LouSkrou]

Hell yes brother man…. Puppet man… bro puppet….. bruppet

[@neyopanda]

HOW YOU DEAL WITH ABLETON CORRUPT PDC ?

[@ReidStefanMusic]

I'm don't know what you're referring to

[@neyopanda]

@@ReidStefanMusic plugin delay compensation timeing error with plugin like kickstart shaperbox etc

[@ReidStefanMusic]

@@neyopanda i put shaperbox before any problematic latency causing plugins like UAD

[@theinvisibleman-e8v]

Happy auto shift exists but it needs work from ableton to reach the required level.

[@ReidStefanMusic]

I agree it could be better, but it also doesn’t “need” be be a direct autotune killer. Having different plugins with different flavors is helpful too

[@EskayThaKid]

MetaTune Vs Auto Shift

[@bboymac84]

Ableton needs stems!

[@giambronefilms1668]

Fine line between creativity and ruining the song.

[@gentleapache]

Use some stock plugins along with auto-shift and tweak to taste. All you need is a good mix and final product....no one will even know....who will know if it was autotune or auto-shift, no one will know!

[@beatprocess]

that bandlab vocal tuning is Nooooo joke.idk

[@FriscoPisco]

i can't make it through puppet boy's intro , that high vocal whine up is annoying , Next

[@emerytaylor7488]

Everyone: how about ARA compatibility like every other DAW has had for years? Ableton: uh, here’s a shitty version of autotune that is basically useless. Everyone:…gee thanks…

[@ReidStefanMusic]

ARA compatibility would be awesome 🤘

[@emerytaylor7488]

@ it’s getting silly that they don’t have it after 4 years. Meanwhile they spend time making useless apps like note. Help the pros out ableton!

[@ReidStefanMusic]

@ Ableton seems very focused on their own stock plugins. I sadly doubt 3rd party ARA plugin compatibility is high up on their to-do list. I hope I’m wrong

[@emerytaylor7488]

@@ReidStefanMusic they’re focused on capturing more casuals and ignoring professionals.

[@ertybeats]

3:46 nah what the hell

[@ReidStefanMusic]

Too much modulation 😅

[@iliravdyli4109]

Sounds like shiii compared to antares 😂

[@ReidStefanMusic]

To be fair, nearly every autotune knockoff sounds like a knockoff when compared side by side with the real plugin. Especially to a generation of listeners who have been hearing actual Autotune algorithm since the 1990’s

[@foljs5858]

Barely registers as different

[@darkmaer]

To be fair, all auto tune sounds horrible.

[@deiviprod]

@@ReidStefanMusic It is crazy how antares nailed the autotune algorithm in the 90s and since then no company has been able to come closer to them

[@pw6002]

@@deiviprod Same for Ableton’s time-stretch algorithm - unbeaten for more than 2 decades now.