Rejecting Astarion "Excuse me as I die of a broken heart" (High Approval)

[@Emperor_Mateus_of_Palamecia]

Tav: YOU DON’T NEED SEX! YOU NEED THERAPY, A CUP OF HOT CHOCOLATE, AND A KISS ON THE FOREHEAD!

[@juno1752]

The mental image of Tav suplexing Astarion into an armchair and cramming him into a Snuggie in preparation for the World’s Most Aggressive Therapy Session is brilliant

[@urgae9125]

@@juno1752Tav absolutely would if they’re as much of an Astarion simp as we are.

[@Emperor_Mateus_of_Palamecia]

@@juno1752 You should love yourself NOW!

[@thearcanamodernau8130]

Him deciding to sleep with Tav is still important though. It's the first time in 200 years that he has agency over who he sleeps with, even if it's for the wrong reasons.

[@andaredvex]

Technically he has no use for hot chocolate as a vampire, but he does need all the affection one can get to heal from his traumas.

[@Cyrillius1]

honestly even when he says the cheesy lines and you ask him if he's having fun, his 'its hard not to, with you' sounds genuine as he hesitates a little before saying it

[@thearcanamodernau8130]

Awww he looks so upset. I'm pretty sure he already had some feelings for Tav at this point

[@kitk3499]

I thought the same, the way his tone changes completely when he says "I love you" is jarring and makes me think he was starting to understand his feelings for Tav AS the conversation was unfolding

[@thearcanamodernau8130]

@@kitk3499 thisss. I once commented that and several people came to reply saying "naah he's just using Tav" "iT's sTilL aCt 1 apProVal iS nOt hIgh EnOugH" but the way he says it makes me think he means it to some degree

[@megakaren2160]

He calls you "dear" at the end instead of "darling". Doesn't he usually only use "dear" after the confession in act 2?

[@AikoSea]

@@thearcanamodernau8130I mean he basically confirms this in the “we need to talk” act 2 confession that he caught feelings around this time

[@thearcanamodernau8130]

@@megakaren2160 yesss the way he talks in general feels different than the previous conversations

[@UchihaChikiru]

Astarion: well excuse me as I die of a broken heart 🙄😏 Also Astarion: 🥲 **proceeds to actually die of a broken heart**

[@stargoddesskotou]

I love how he says it, like he's just trying to play it off. Like "oh, you wound me!" '....no, seriously....' The way he tries to fake smile through it and offer that slight nonchalant chuckle almost hammers home that he really did feel hurt, but dare not show that. Playing with his hands while talking, it reminds me of self soothing that people tend to do in their body language, speaking of an issue that's uncomfortable to them. His body language speaks volumes that betrays his words.

[@mykerrr]

I try not to watch romance scenes cause I don’t want spoilers, but I know I’ll never get this on a play through cause I’d never reject this poor man

[@EterPuralis]

Same 😅 now if only i could manage to romance him

[@XIIconstNvChr]

2:08 the way his eyes glance away at the pause is giving 'dont cry dont cry dont cry dont cry dont cry' energy

[@SaltySweetMerm]

I truly love to believe that when he says 'I love you' that there's a siiiingle grain of truth in it, and he only feels safe saying it because he's established that he's just throwing lines at you. But he feels it. He wants to say it, but he's never said it before-- not to ANYONE. So it's his way of testing how he feels saying it, seeing if he actually believes it, if he says it out loud, will it be true? Does it feel too soon? Does it feel right or wrong? And also... how do you react...? Gosh I love this silly vampire so much

[@CabinetofThorns]

The way I always feel about it is… he is lying when he says “I love you”, and has said the line before (thus his mockery leading up to the line). However (depending on how you’ve done your playthrough) , Tav has been showing their trust and care for Astarion, which is more than anyone has done for two hundred years or so. And so, the reason why Astarion sounds so airy and slightly shocked, is because while he is lying, he is (as you said) also being somewhat truthful. But because of the manipulation game (assuming you are playing a self aware Tav), Tav knows he’s still lying and calls him out on it (if you choose “you’re lying”). But I do love this scene, because it’s the starting point of everything.

[@LadyElvan]

He's sort of poking at it "Yes? No? How's it feel for me to say it... what's your reaction..." knowing he can go with "Oh ha ha, dahling, of COURSE I was playing about!"

[@MaurDragon]

He is carefully&sneakily testing his path ahead , like a normal rogue

[@alexandria4307]

I think this one has a touch of truth to it... but ascended astarion doesn't mean it at all, he's just saying whatever it takes to control you. When he's "joking" actually means it, but when he's trying to sound sincere, he's only manipulating you. Ugh his writing is so good...

[@StudioSokki]

yessss, agreed

[@gazmodius]

This scene is so sad :,(. When you first let him suck your blood he ends up saying "Thank you, this is a gift I won't forget" which I think is because the only love/relationships he has known have been transactional in nature, but in this encounter, even though he says he wants to repeat his favorite lines at you and he got rejected, he expresses emotions outside of transactional love (i dont think he fully realizes it, but rather is letting his gaurd down)

[@covertgoblin]

i was honestly expecting him to throw a little tantrum or something but i never thought i would get such a heartfelt response. this was before he confessed he was using tav so i guess from this point in act 1 you can already see he has true feelings for them :')

[@ComedyLoverGirl]

And spoilers if you get his good ending in act 3, he will repeat that line "This is a gift. I won't forget it." What Tav does for him is very special.

[@Blubableful]

Well, he won't forget the "gift" because Tav is the first humanoid he drank blood from.

[@KirstenlyArt]

@@ComedyLoverGirl Whats kind of sad is, Astarion only knows kindness from his childhood and after Tav meets him. and hes forgotten the kindness his childhood held. He doesn't remember his family's faces, he doesn't remember where they live, he doesn't remember his own eye colour, he doesnt remember a time when intimacy and warmth weren't completely transactional. When he says "I wont forget it" or "I wont forget you" it isn't really him trying to say it for US... he's telling himself not to forget it. He is the kind of man who softly embroiders hopeful poetry to remind himself to keep carrying on in his own shirts. This is someone who clearly tells himself things to keep himself from forgetting, and to keep himself going. This is a self-affirmation on his part-of course he wants us to know what we do for him; how we treat him is special to him,but he has to tell himself its special, that its worth remembering because if he doesn't, it might slip away like everything else good has.

[@ComedyLoverGirl]

@@KirstenlyArt That's a very nice interpretation! I haven't thought of it that way but perhaps you're right. He was imprisoned and forced to repeatedly prowl the streets at night for prey for so long he forgot what he looked like and what colour his eyes used to be, and he intentionally tried to forget the people he seduced (he tries to play it off as he doesn't care, but it becomes quite clear it's because if he sympathised with them he'd be punished). So he was doing all he could not to let his old instincts kick in when it came to Tav. I've seen different takes on the embroidery thing too. The words themselves seem to really play into the ostentatiousness of his persona. But I agree with the take that his clothes and his appearance was one of the few things he had control over and that got positive affirmation for him, so he took extra care of them. And that embroidery is therapeutic and may have been one of the only hobbies he could keep. Lol I saw someone else say their headcanon is that Tav and Astarion start a clothing and embroidery shop after the end of the story. That'd be so cute and it'd be a wholesome epilogue for non-ascended Astarion.

[@veronicashields4405]

The little glance away at the end as he says “you, I’ll remember” is what does it for me. That’s such a great bit of character body language, having him realize mid statement that he’s not actually lying and that he does legitimately like Tav. You can tell so much love went into this game.

[@VisualBunny]

You know how it's only when you say something out loud that the reality of the situation suddenly hits? I think that 'I love you' was Astarion's moment. He fully went into the bit and said it as a joke but I think the second those words were out, it started dawning on him. If you accept his offer, he can keep telling himself that it's all for manipulation and survival and it gives him more time to sort those feelings out. But if he gets rejected, he realizes that fledgling feeling and then it's crushed in the same instant. Maybe that's why his composure is a bit shaky right after. He is still saying 'rehearsed' lines but his real feelings are seeping through in spite of it.

[@regisatlas]

''have a fine evening, dear'' HAUNTS ME DAILY

[@Jacqli-Rivoli]

His body language and tone here is miles different than what he's shown up until then. If you reject his first proposal for sex, he seems annoyed and says you're no fun before telling you that you can keep denying your feelings because it doesn't matter to him anyway. He finishes by saying he's tasted you already (if you let him bite you) and that it's all he needs, insinuating that you're going to eventually want more while he already got what he really wanted from you. Here though when you reject him, he's already had that special night with you where he felt like he truly connected with you intimately and doesn't realize that he's not just pursuing you for his own security anymore. He could've just said you're being a buzzkill like he usually does if you don't flirt back. But this time he specifically mentions a broken heart instead and simply expresses his disappointment. He legitimately wants something more with you romantically and for you two to connect once again but doesn't know how to express that at this point in time besides sleeping with you due to it being the only thing he's done for the last 200 years with all his previous partners and having never really formed a romantic bond with anyone ever before. He even goes out of his way to say "I love you" to you completely unprovoked in a bid to win you over even though he knows you're going to immediately believe that it's a lie. I think he himself doesn't even realize that part of him actually means it. So when you turn him down, he's gobsmacked for a few different reasons. He's not used to rejection, particularly, rejection from someone he cares about. So he doesn't know how to handle it. His body language drastically changes and it's obvious even though he tries to play it off in his usual manner, at that point he's not performing anymore. Where he's usually very emotive and blows a lot of hot air in a confident manner, he becomes withdrawn, twiddling his fingers together, removing his gaze from you, etc. He's being his authentic self, struggling to come to terms with the fact that you don't want to take things further with him in his point of view. And because he doesn't understand his feelings for you or why he's so disappointed, he has to take a moment to compose himself from the shock of your rejection before wishing you a good evening. Very fascinating to see his drastic change from the first time he invites you to sleep with him. What a difference one night makes.

[@Dani-qo8xo]

You are so spot on with this comment! Makes perfect sense. Thanks for sharing.

[@lucy9698]

He's so dramatic, I love him to death 😭

[@scully4life]

He really is. Have you heard what he says if you spam-click his portrait?

[@sabsain2399]

​@scullywully1604 no but thank you so much for letting me know that's a thing

[@natie3322]

If you say it’s a little soon he says really gently that it could be true if just for tonight. Sigh! No one seems to take that option. But he says it kind of earnestly, like that’s what he wants but he’s afraid to ask.

[@Allison_Hart]

thank you so much, I've watched a few different vids of this (😅) and yeah no one ever picked it and I was curious what it was. So thank you ❤

[@catief1031]

Picked that option for my first time through this scene 😆

[@The09la09]

why am I weak in the knees over that "I love you" - it totally sounded like something true that he wanted to pass of as a lie

[@Ferreneh]

I think so too! If you pick some of the other options he says something along the lines of "it can be true" 🙊

[@sabsain2399]

That's literally what he wants you to think and you fell for it 😭😭😭

[@humanintelegence]

wasnt expecting to cry tonight

[@timetraveller2802]

Noooo don't cry, or I will too

[@UberMenschNowFilms]

​@@timetraveller2802we will all cry together

[@ladyamaranth]

He's literally about to cry. My poor baby

[@swivelkeyring3512]

It's subtle but you can see how he is holding back tears fuckkk

[@AncaXBre]

I wonder if you can continue the romance from here. Like from a roleplaying perspective I can see a worldly Tav who's good at reading people and sees through Astarion's initial shallow praises but goes along with the flirting 'cause 'hey, my life can end any moment in a horrible way so I might enjoy everything while I'm still here and I could do much worse than a really handsome elf'. Then, after the plot advances and you find more about the artifact and turning into a monster is not such an immediate threat, Tav decides to end their 'doom flings' and gets this response and sees that there was more there than shallow flirting, at least now if not from the beginning and gets curious and wants to peel back that charming facade and things grow from 'I want to see what makes this man tick' to I want to give this man all the love and care in the world'

[@Rathdrgnknight]

@Yagamidetectiveagency This is exactly what I did in my blind playthrough. My Tav really considered the first night a one-off thing because that's what astarion said it would be, and we'd JUST gotten the news from [spoilers] about Gale's storyline so my character was like "Now's not really the time, maybe later." and then my Tav was kind of blindsided by Astarion confessing he caught feelings after my tav stood up for him withthe blood alchemist scene.

[@redacted6306]

​@Rathdrgnknight now I'm just imagining turning him down here and him being disappointed only for TAV to push for sex after the alchemist scene. That would a whole new meaning to "this all just a game to you isn't it" like he realizes he's just something that TAV flippant chooses to use when the fancy crosses them.

[@knightorchid]

After the first night I asked why he seemed so distant, and on the second night I chose "but not right now". I can't imagine what could happen when my durge is good and chaotic.

[@louveblancheomega799]

what you describe at the end is what I feel for him from the beginning

[@FrenkTheJoy]

I'm not seeing anyone mentioning it, but when he said "I want to die all over again, with you" that's a sly metaphor for orgasms, in French the term for orgasm translates to "a little death" so, uh... teehee.

[@Li77lewolfer]

I wondered if people picked up on this as well! He actually references it directly if you choose the "This had better not mean 'I want to kill something' " dialogue during the party scene. I didn't the first time, and I nearly keeled over when I heard it on my second playthrough.

[@chelseajackman7730]

I studied Shakeapeare in college and got a crash course in Elizabethan euphemisms. Yes. I picked up on it. 😂

[@SweetNightmares_]

When I remember he’s just pixels 1:48

[@selelebrin]

Thanks God, Neil exists! 🥰 And romancing Astarion on his BG3 playthrough. 🙈😂

[@laniakeas92]

His body language from this time stamp is so great here.

[@mrjones2721]

It’s scenes like this that make me wish it was possible to go back and court companions you turned down.

[@FranWest.]

More like - after he says this when you turn him down... Tav should be able to reply with: "Truly?! ... I did not know you cared so much! I only turned you down to protect my heart from getting hurt, but if this is really how you feel, I would like to continue and see where this goes" Or some such - I'm not a romance novelist..LOL

[@V1DE0-STARZ]

Quick saving is your best friend

[@mrjones2721]

@@V1DE0-STARZ Yeah, but what I want is to progress the story more, then return to companions I previously turned down. I dumped Gale, and now I regret it, but I’m not going back 60 hours just to fix it.

[@chelseajackman7730]

That's what multiple playthroughs are for.

[@cathyshepard253]

The way he said “I love you.” So softly and almost sadly- this man means those words.

[@ComedyLoverGirl]

Nah. He doesn't mean it at this point. Those words are well rehearsed over 200 years to play with countless people's feelings.

[@cathyshepard253]

@@ComedyLoverGirl That’s fair, man must have rolled well on his performance check?

[@towa417]

For me they sound super fake and theatrically, definitely doesn't mean them. Look at how he says it at the end of his spawn ending. Complete different tone

[@JULESmnch]

Delulu. I assume u've never dealt with abusive/narcissistic relationship. Or at least I hope u aren't.

[@joeysalazar98]

@@JULESmnchIt’s hard to tell if he was being genuine tbh. It always is. But personally, I’ve always assumed Astarion was bullshitting because of how soon and how easily he says it, especially given his history. It’s a huge red flag.

[@WhatAMessJada]

I would fold like a piece of paper just right after he asks you’ll come to my bed tonight won’t u

[@evilpompom]

+swaddles Astarion in blankets and gives him a cup of tea+

[@lemondemon15]

I have saved and replayed trying some of the 'bad' options. Immediate knife to the heart every time. I can't even bring myself to do it anymore! This game's cinematics... *Chef's Kiss* every time.

[@heartlacies]

Oh……… well, this isn’t going to happen in my playthrough. 😭

[@Pyroific]

I always feel so bad rejecting everyone else when trying to romance one specific character lol

[@Simpai_v]

Always trust KZbin folk to make the hardest decisions so you don't have to in these kind of games

[@Nictat0r]

Aww I did not expect this to be so sad 😭

[@TOchick]

So... my heart is now broken. Just ignore me while I go cry in the corner! My poor vamp sad boi baby!!!!

[@mistress_of_the_dark380]

THIS HURTS SO BAD I STOPPED GETTING READY FOR WORK TO CRY

[@emrylespencer5171]

You can’t tell me his eyes are not watery at the end when he looks up and try’s to keep his facade, cuz boy when he said “dear” he was verbally cryin on tht one. Had toooo much umph in it 😂😂😂😢❤❤ lmaooo

[@batbabe1507]

the pause when he says "but you... you I'll remember" and the way he looks away SOMEONE HELP ME I CAN'T

[@moonchild-299]

Poor thing... It was so hard for me to reject everyone, I extremely felt bad for rejecting Wyll after his cute dance. :') I'm almost finished with my first playthrough and I wanted to play as Dark Urge and try Gale as an romance option but I will probably fall in love with Astarion again. xD

[@lauralima772]

NOW I'M THE ONE DYING OF A BROKEN HEART WTF MY BABYYYYYYY

[@CrystalFlames]

Don’t you dare break my baby’s heart

[@princeshortie7907]

IM SORRY BUT HIS PICK UP LINES ARE SO FCUKING FUNNY I CANNOT

[@sabsain2399]

same 😭 I love him but I couldn't stop cringing

[@lilgreentealeaf]

I think this may have just convinced me to start an Astarion romance. I'm usually down bad for Gale.

[@Ikara112]

I screamed when he said I love you. I wasn´t expecting that and now my heart is melting

[@IceCrystalWolf]

I am crying this is sad af

[@mnau975]

me too

[@feliciapetersen315]

Delete this save file at once! 😢 Poor baby. His expression is heart breaking

[@MellowMink]

I’m actually going to cry.

[@billiealexander3480]

Oh wow I've never seen this. At this point he may like you more as a friend but still sleeping together he absolutely does not love you. He does take that rejection hard because it means fear he can't manipulate you to protect him as easily.

[@landoboi3737]

Your characters facial features are so cool, they look super chill

[@safsren]

Those lines were so cheesy 😂

[@kekekemer9057]

he's fictional so I give him a pass😂😂

[@xiiihypn0s862]

He's cheesy af

[@FranWest.]

Well they are pretty dated... he's been using them for 200 years..lol

[@louveblancheomega799]

yes he's deep into poetry, that's why x)

[@PenguinFondue]

I’ve romanced him twice, and I sometimes save, break up with him and reload during different acts because his parting lines are just so good.

[@shygirlie1]

I just wanted to comment to let you know I didn’t watch this because I did not want to die of a broken heart

[@snownoom1840]

I think i am a simp of astarion, i can't even count how many videos of him i watched😅

[@rukia548976]

When he said "I love you" I freaking choked oml

[@nunya_bizniz]

Voice acting on another level

[@chainofheaven]

Saddest delivery of a pick-up line I have ever heard. Dude, we gotta work on that 10 charisma

[@zenpaizee9366]

I HOPE YOU PRESSED F5 BEFORE THIS

[@christinaelkins9733]

The way he says I love you is different from how he says the other lines. His face, hand gestures and even his eyes seem to be saying he may actually have fallen for you when he says he loves you and the flirty recovery changes again when he realizes he may not get another bite at the apple so to speak. It is like when you are at the circus love test. He wants you to know him but he also wants to avoid being vulnerable because the last person he trusted violated that trust and abused him in every way possible. So he fears his budding feelings. He wants you to trust him and he wants desperately to trust you but just like he forgot what his original eye color was, he forgot how to trust and love but desperately wants it.

[@christinaelkins9733]

Caszador "saved" him but at the cost of losing his soul. I have wondered if Caszador did not set up the beating he took as he senses a very useful pawn in Astarion. Astarion was a beautiful guys, a judge so he was successful and had to have charisma and be intelligent which appealed to him. Then add that he would get to dispose of him when he was done for even more power was just icing on the cake.

[@jet44444]

All those worked for me 😂😂😂 I’m too easy.

[@damien678]

They didn't for me at all. Thank you WIS throws for rolling high

[@fa1ryf0x3s]

I can guarantee that I will never experience this in my playthroughs.

[@dragonhale2026]

He looks like he might actually cry...I don't think he will. He doesn't really like sex to begin with, so him being sad and not getting sex tonight sounds very unlikely...but he did do a good act. The way he averted the gaze, looking up...I did think he was gonna break into tears.

[@AikoSea]

If ur romancing and get the “we need to talk” confession tav can ask him about “those times” with them specifically and he says it was different with them that was the problem. He just has issues where he associates it with Cazador and is not fully comfortable he needs time to work through it essentially. By the end of the romance he is able to overcome these issues and says he’s ready to live again and have a relationship with Tav where everything is on the table and not be celibate anymore.

[@SapphosGalPal]

It’s not about the sex, it’s about the intimacy and protection he craves. And the fact that he caught feelings for Tav and the rejection genuinely stings because of that.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

No, sorry, that is not an act when he is caught in a genuinely vulnerable position. Astarion would never fake almost crying, because Astarion was indoctrinated by Cazador to think of "showing weakness" as "pathetic". Astarion is always using his facade to appear aloof and dominant, to shield himself from feelings of vulnerability. When he covers up his feelings with some sassy quip despite being hurt or by lashing out with sarcasm after being humiliated, _that_ is when he is acting. Accusing Astarion of lying when he _does_ show vulnerability -- or mocking him when he is genuinely distraught -- is doubly cruel. His "Have a fine evening, dear", _that_ is Astarion slipping back into his facade, pretending not to care. Astarion does crave human connection even if he hates admitting it, as he fears being rejected and cast out (as the Dark Urge's butler bluntly states); Astarion simply forgot how to make connections without sex as he erroneously believes people could never possibly want to be with him for reasons other than sex (again, straight from the Dark Urge's butler's mouth if you romance Astarion as Dark Urge). And Astarion doesn't _hate_ sex, he is not asexual, he says that very openly... he just hates being _forced,_ being _used_ for _other people's_ pleasure like a toy.

[@AikoSea]

@@TF2CrunchyFrog ya the issue is he hasn’t had consensual sex in 200 years let alone with any level of intimacy, so this is uncharted territory for him. There are several conversation trees where he can reassure Tav/durge that the times with them are different the issue is he isn’t used to not associating it in a exploitative context so genuine intimacy is very difficult for him to wrap his head around. But by the end of the romance, killing Cazador he is free of those emotions and doesn’t want to be held back by him anymore and doesn’t want him to rule his life any longer, he is able to deal with it and even initiate it with Tav/durge so he’s overcome that. I think ppl who don’t romance him don’t have that additional context. So even after the first time when he is sad about the rejection he means that because that did mean something to him.

[@FranWest.]

@@TF2CrunchyFrog - Yes!! To everything you said! It's so nice to find another person who can read people well, also quite rare. So many people fail to understand Astarion as a character and truly "see" him. If you know him, you can tell exactly what he's feeling, when he's scared, sad or happy. Most people only seem to take him at face value and don't truly understand his sass and sarcasm is there as a coping mechanism. I would like to add that yes, he does enjoy sex, but he suffers from trauma and has no real life knowledge or reference on what an actual consensual romantic relationship is like. That first night was very special to him, in many ways, it's such a shame that you don't get that dialogue unless you break his heart first :( (Which I could never do!!) He also is definitely NOT "poly" like most people like to assume. He will refuse share you with anyone if he thinks you are in Love with another, he will dump you. ( looking at karlach and Shadowheart, Gale) The ONLY reason he "agrees" to Halsin is because he doesnt think Halsin is the kind who will steal tavs heart and steal her away from him, and he only "agrees" because he doesn't ever want to lose Tav. If you ascend Astarion, the first thing he will do is turn tav so that he NEVER has to worry about losing them. "EVER!". (I love both non ascended and ascendant Astarion for different reasons) The fact that he actually lets you refuse to be turned (if he ascends) goes to show that yes, he STILL Loves Tav very much. - His "jilted lover" responses afterwords prove it even more. There may come a time somewhere down the road where he Might turn a tav that's refused, but thats speculation and debatable ofc. There is also a line somewhere where he says he will live as a long as Tav does.. So, one could also assume that even an ascendant Astarion would never do anything to that would risk him losing Tav. - This is not meant as a pro ascendant discussion, just more about how much Astarion Truly does LOVE Tav! Ascended or not.

[@BEElZsobsession]

IM HEART BVROKENA

[@Yuyu99000]

Nouurrrr he looks so lost 🥺😔 poor bb!

[@NineM_YorHa]

Made every romance choice with him, even broke up with shadowheart I was before him. Then after conquering moonrise tower promised myself to Minthara, broke his heart. Somehow regret doing that 😅

[@kennedyflint6140]

1:30 he really just scanned your body up and down with them eyes lol

[@emoaf8555]

Beautiful squidward?

[@louveblancheomega799]

I don't know how you can feel like rejecting him, also if I had known, he would say it like that 1.16 I would have been more playful. I answered "no need to ask me twice"

[@angelstarlight6030]

It's not so much love feeling's but he feels different because he's doing all that without Cazador control, so he's a little confused by the feelings he's having for mc henc why he actually wants to go for pt2 with them

[@gothica3605]

😢

[@Moonlightgirlful]

If you reject him, could you still have a chance to romance him later? I wonder about that

[@HellenCit]

No, as far as I know. You need to sleep with him twice for 'I-need-to-talk-to-you' Scene in act 2.

[@PuppetSmile]

In my unintentional romance, my Tav slept with him once and then got to the confession in Moonrise. This was back in the first month of official release, so I don't know if anything has changed since then. EDIT: That being said, I didn't get the chance to reject him to see if I could. With the timing and meeting Araj, I just never got the option.

[@emilioa.bayardoarceo758]

Why I feel so bad? :(

[@nopee5619]

My heart 😢😅

[@bashboppullit]

Y'all I wanted to say no but it was just, he was so sad

[@sarahmedouni8844]

Must be an update

[@j.j.6443]

💔

[@sheikahchick9861]

the hands, PLEASE 1:46

[@emeraldgaze]

that moment at the end right before he wishes tava good evening after looking to his upper right, reminded me of how eye movements supposedly give away if you're telling the truth or not. so i looked it up Looking to the right: Typically, looking to the right signifies lying. This is because we tend to look to the right when we are imagining things, but towards the left when we are remembering. However, it is also thought that looking to the right and downwards suggests self-doubt, while looking to the right and up indicates that a person is telling untruths

[@JamieRobles1]

ow . . . . . (proceeds to reload) wait, this isn't mine. :D

[@arielbilbao3101]

It's so sad😢

[@monadloire9482]

What is the best way to gain such high approval with him? I always have him with me and act in his favors......my Oc is a Durge

[@covertgoblin]

if youre playing as an evil durge its pretty easy, i had him at max approval before act 2 but there are other things you can do to get an approval boost like giving him the necromancy book in act 1 and of course letting him bite you and unlocking his first romance scene

[@FranWest.]

It's honestly super easy! - Camp long rest A LOT, Early! Be NICE to him! Romance him! Trust him!, let him bite you. That's it! I am always capped out to max rep by the end of act 2. There are some other options you can do that raise his approval Like helping they myconid colony, let nere kill the slaves (there's only a few anyways..lol, but dont do that if you are a pally with an oath obvs). Kill the short mushroom guy after helping him at the docks. Be nice to ALL the Cats! Pet all the cats! (talking w/ animals is really a must have in bg3 anyways) Talk to him Often! - Do his personal quests. Do these, you will have max rep before act 3 ! You do NOT need to be "evil" to gain his approval, no matter what others might say.

[@monadloire9482]

@@FranWest. Well thank you :).

[@prnc96]

​@@FranWest.Do you need to sleep with him early on if you wanna romance him? Cuz I've seen a lot of people say that if you reject sex with him (when you don't really know each other yet) it locks you out of further romance options with him

[@FranWest.]

@@prnc96 - Depending on his approval - he will proposition you early, or at "the party" - If you refuse to have sex with him, yes, it locks you out of the romance. I personally have never been able to say "No" to Astarion...LOL SO I'm probably not the best to ask :p.

[@elnoare]

Do you remember (or does anyone know) how to get that dialgoue in the beginning? It sounds like Tav slept with him at the party, but I've never gotten this! For me, it was the party scene in Act One and then I think a small scene in Act Two (after standing up for him @ Ajara) and then ofc the graveyard scene in Act 3. I just got to Act 3 since I'm late to the game but just wondering! I romanced him fine but maybe there's some dialogues I'm missing? Oooor is this just the dialogue the next time you long rest (after the tiefling party?)

[@covertgoblin]

it happens if you triggered his forest scene before the refugee party and you will get this one instead at the party. my game bugged and triggered the forest scene twice and then this one, i dont know if its still possible

[@hylianflower9681]

UGh i wanna romance him niw

[@lithia_kat8837]

Can you still get the Act 2 romance scene, the one where he confesses, if you reject him here?

[@soundlessroom]

I wonder if this breaks his romance route though

[@FranWest.]

Yes, it does.

[@asiafortson78]

How do you even trigger this dialogue?

[@coffeekat5066]

You get it if you triggered his..ahem intimate scene before the goblin/tiefling party, this replaces the standard dialog.

[@asiafortson78]

@@coffeekat5066 ooo I wanna try this now

[@asiafortson78]

@@coffeekat5066 I actually got this dialogue after the party oddly enough. I had got it before as well, but I didn’t realize it then because I didn’t pick the correct option to trigger it

[@notabannedaccount8362]

There’s no “I have a headache tonight” option?

[@sabsain2399]

No, because no means no in this game

[@notabannedaccount8362]

@@sabsain2399 Except Minthara. Tell her you're "friends" and she still tries to claim Tav.

[@uwu-uv4mg]

Your character looks exactly like his 'sister' Dalyria, which is kinda...

[@chelseajackman7730]

What does the "High Approval" mean? Astarion most definitely did not approve.

[@akiichu_sakuzi]

The beginning where he told you that it’s hard to not have fun with you.. and the joke with the broken heart, but right there the realization that this isn’t a joke anymore, not even a bit of fun.. the way he looked to the right in silence for a moment. 😭 Well if Astarion was thinking there isn’t a greater pain than the things Cazador did to him.. this Tav taught him another painful lesson.. dying of a broken heart wasn’t a joke right there it was a promise for eternity. 🥹

[@rosavillanueva5189]

Experiencing this from KZbin because of two reasons: 1. Having no money or time to go buy the game and the console. 2. I'd be too work/task/objective focused to actually think on romance at any given point. As in "romance was an option?" too focused.

[@MoonsongReverb]

I must say in his defense, if I reject him, i do that earlier than this video shows, in order to spare him the broken heart and myself any jealousy drama. So no biting, no sex etc.. I carefully avoid his romance triggers and still manage to be friends with him, drama free And i daresay, it’s the best i can do. sex won’t really help him anyway, after all that abuse :P

[@sabsain2399]

I mean.... he is consenting to sex here...

[@saltoftheegg]

Folks in this comment section are gonna get played a lot in their lives

[@wandauriel]

You know it's a little bit different with fictional character. There's always a other run in the game or just reload save lol In real I doubt many would fall that easy. At least not me 😂 but as it's a game with many options...

[@FranWest.]

"played' - ha... There's an old saying.. "You can't r*pe the willing"... He's asking for "fun" and regardless of his true intent.. if you are willing, there is no "being played". Just so long as you know what you are getting in to.

[@sabsain2399]

Bruh. We are talking about pixels here

[@samgeorgewhitler]

i played that scene like that but accepted in the end because i couldn't hurt the poor thing

[@TheEntryCode]

I was under the impression he didn't actually care about Tav at this point, except for sex. He's very good at hiding his real self isn't he. 🥲

[@FranWest.]

He is, if it's your first or second playthrough, but after well, let's say large number of playthroughs, you can read him like a book.

[@selelebrin]

@@FranWest.agree. My first playthrough was a complete disaster in terms of Astarion. 😅 Now I can clearly see his cold eyes when he’s asking for the first tryst. His “indeed you will, my love” seems really desperate, not playful. 🙈 And in the 3rd act, when siblings came for him to the camp, and I just reloaded and clicked all the options like, I was stunned by his “I will become Ascendant” or smth like that. I went immediately “yes, sir, it will be done, sir”. So much life in this character! I just can’t let him go. 🙈 Could I ever?

[@FranWest.]

@@selelebrin His first tryst lines differ on when they happen and how much approval you have with him. You can get his approval to "high" before "the party" and he will ask for the tryst quite differently. I Adore Astarion so much!

[@selelebrin]

@@FranWest. I’ve got them both. Right after killing the monster hunter (cold look) and at the party (saying lines). I become a line hunter myself now. 🙈 And I do too! Adoring him is so natural. 🥰