Relapse: Dealing with the Guilt and Shame

[@Ksvtjhyb7]

If i had the money id fly john to my local meeting to say exactly what he has said throughout this podcast esp the bit about egotistical guru reframing my life.... Beautifully said.

[@shipaskof8371]

John H is the first alcoholic that ever made real sense to me. Wish id heard him 22 yrs ago.

[@shipaskof8371]

I never found other women supportive. They handed out numbers ok but when phoned were too busy, consistently didnt answer, or, if they did, would hurriedly prescribe serenity prayer or tell you to get to a meeting, when no meeting is on after 9.30pm.

[@heatherjohnson333]

I had a similar experience in the only meeting in my town. I thought I could make clean and sober friends there, but after 7 months of regularly attending the meetings, I still felt like an outsider. No one had time. People usually didn't text me back. One lady flat out told me she wouldn't give me her number because she didn't have time. I went to my sponsor (at the time) and asked her how I could find some more support, outside of the two meetings a week. She said that no one hangs out together in the group. She also shamed me when I called her before a relapse. I think some meetings are toxic and we have to trust our gut instinct and leave meetings that aren't good for us. I'm sorry you had that experience!

[@fuzbugg]

this is brilliant thank you

[@BeyondBeliefSobriety]

Thanks for listening.

[@shipaskof8371]

I feel sorry for newcomers I see attaching themselves to members I know will lord it over their new sponsee. I experienced attempted bullying myself by members who just wanted to feed their own egos by having newcomers under their thumb.

[@BeyondBeliefSobriety]

Thanks for taking the time to listen and comment. I think one should enter into sponsorship with an abundance of caution.

[@Ksvtjhyb7]

The amount only sober in trad AA as a result of getting counselling outside is interesting. But AA n God gets all the credit.

[@benjaminquigg1288]

Does John (Hughey?) have a KZbin channel or social media?

[@BeyondBeliefSobriety]

No, but he has a website john-huey.com. Thanks for visiting our channel.

[@Ksvtjhyb7]

The gaslighted now gaslighting others.

[@edihayat]

This just confuses someone and makes them feel worse lol.

[@Ksvtjhyb7]

Lol. I rrecall one of the speaker tapes member directing sponsee to go to india i thinl tp make an ammend. He himself knocked on 350 homes to ask if he had harmed amyone.

[@shipaskof8371]

Another thing i cant stand hearing sugar injestion being advised to newcomers. No need fir this.

[@billyb4790]

Sugar is a horrible drug and isn’t taken seriously enough. It’s quite sad how recovery programs passively encourage things like sugar and tobacco.