the cloak while firing was clearly the biggest edge the scimitar has
@StephenPitter6 ай бұрын
Not against multiple ships
@compmanio366 ай бұрын
@@StephenPitter You literally see it exploit that advantage repeatedly in the movie, against multiple ships.
@patrickstivers73876 ай бұрын
@@compmanio36 Three ships. Two of which Shinzon likely knew the weaknesses of which is why they get taken out of the battle so quickly.
@compmanio366 ай бұрын
@@patrickstivers7387 I'm sure that helped. However the point remains. It engaged multiple ships while cloaked, while being very difficult to target in return. I'm not sure how there being more ships makes that less helpful for the Scimitar.
@patrickstivers73876 ай бұрын
@@compmanio36 Because you had one ship that was able to fire in multiple arcs while the other two ships had to maneuver to bring their weapons, which were all forward facing, to bear. Had Enterprise made it through the Bassen Rift and met up with Task Force Omega, I highly doubt that that the Scimitar would have been as successful. Especially since they were going up against at least two Dominion War vets in the USS Hood and USS Galaxy.
@MSR-17016 ай бұрын
Recent tests with QBPlus has shown that, on Extreme AI, the power buildup warning is not a joke... if the AI misses ramming, it self destructs with enough power to nuke your ship...😮
@MisterMarin6 ай бұрын
Ah, pattern suicide. Roger roger. 😛
@MSR-17016 ай бұрын
@@MisterMarin 😂
@deepdivedylan6 ай бұрын
You'll never learn your lesson with the cloaking device, eh? You're only supposed to drop cloak on the aft port quarter and come to full emergency stop.
@NiqDucoteArt6 ай бұрын
OMG my suggestion! Thanks so much!
@BazT476 ай бұрын
Mine too haha
@MisterMarin6 ай бұрын
@@BazT47 Boc the Crude?
@rabmelvin17016 ай бұрын
The firing while cloaked is a big advantage but in the movie it also had primary and secondary shields so it could take a lot more hits without losing sheilds, the game cant really replicate that advantage
@mdmyer6 ай бұрын
They should put cloaked firing into the game. It's cannon after all.
@compmanio366 ай бұрын
The Kobayashi Maru mod has it. But not remastered as shown here. KM crashes far more often though.
@stevelapierre47766 ай бұрын
😨Yes Admiral.. Crikey. 1st battle , as soon as you uncloaked all fired on you unreal.. and 2nd battle still lasted long even that first ramming.. wow. but I would say too if the Ent reached the fleet, would have won against the Scimitar.. wow this was a non stop weapons fire jeepers.. still great.. love the battle!!!😊🖖 Strange cause I remember and just went a saw the Scimitar can fire while cloaked.. hmm **The Scimitar was able to both use shields and fire whilst cloaked. The cloak also remained effective even through multiple weapon hits from phasers, photon and quantum torpedo hits and disruptors. Guess in game not same as in the movie.. just saying..!
@danieldunlap40776 ай бұрын
I feel like all the Federation ships should have been stronger than shown due to it being a few years after the Dominion war. With the threat still posed by the Borg, these ships wouldn't have had their advanced defensive systems removed and might even have received further upgrades after the peace.
@mark__glass6 ай бұрын
With a little more tactical targeting you absolutely could have ended that battlegroup.
@hunter76 ай бұрын
Nah, Scimitar would have won. It cut that Romulan ship in half with just a few shots to the squishy bits, not the 80 shots it takes to knock out a ship in BC. The only thing that could have turned that battle is the GRAND NAGUS!!!
@RetroBadgerGaming6 ай бұрын
Ooooh, the Grand Nagus, VS the New Scimitar. Hmmmzzz
@hunter76 ай бұрын
@@RetroBadgerGaming If they both have a face to face fight I’ll give it to the Grand Nagus. If the Scimitar spreads the damage around then the Grand Nagus won’t have much of a chance since all of its firepower is forward facing. It just can’t spread the damage equally like the Scimitar can. Would still love to see it though!
@JackSterling-ng2lu6 ай бұрын
Yeah I do strongly believe The Scimitar would have been destroyed by the Omega Battle group. The main strength of the Scimitar was it's ability to fire while cloaked. A task force would soon triangulate it's fire and overwhelm it.
@marvelous971-j6m4 ай бұрын
I doubt it since the enterprise e while upgraded barely did anything to the scimitar. While the scimitar was suppressed.
@MorninglightwgaАй бұрын
@@marvelous971-j6mMy head canon: The warp core had been damaged at the beginning of the battle in Nemesis. I wonder if that nerfed the E’s power in that battle.
@AllknowingUnknownАй бұрын
6 quantum torps took out the scimitar cloak. Though she wasn't trying to destroy the E.... I dunno... she was written and built with the firepower and shields of a space station
@BazT476 ай бұрын
OMG my suggestion. Loved it so much
@johngalt46576 ай бұрын
Would love to see a battle sim of a Borg Cube vs. a Doomsday Machine!!!😃👍💛
@JEDAI501ST6 ай бұрын
That was AWESOME! 👍 Thanks. I think that if the Scimitar had been able to fire while cloaked, then it might have had a good chance, but without it, no chance.
@stever38326 ай бұрын
Surprised the Excelsior refit lasted much longer than the Defiant under the Scimitar's firepower.
@jamesbarrow9046 ай бұрын
It's Tuesday
@elkapitan_warcriminalcoyote6 ай бұрын
"Let's see what this Galaxy can do, prepare for ramming speed!"
@jogpoel53916 ай бұрын
She survived it, didn´t she? 😃
@elkapitan_warcriminalcoyote6 ай бұрын
Just a flesh wound >:3
@Jarsia6 ай бұрын
If you did some cheeky warp core/sensor array targeting I think you could have won. All those disruptors are great for subsystem targeting. Knock out enterprise sensors, knock out galaxy sensors, come back to finish them off later.
@Mikerille2 ай бұрын
In canon, the scimitar would easily maul them, its weapons (not even including torpedoes) is more than the entire fleet (the one here) combined. But instead on one shield face, constantly rapid firing, and with more torpedo firepower as nearly 2 akira classes. Yeah the fleet is completely and utterly done for.
@rarevhsuploads49956 ай бұрын
I was one who asked for this battle so thank you. I wonder how a similar battle group would perform against a Dominion battleship?
@haloboy4566 ай бұрын
Other way around other way around :-)
@02ujtb006266 ай бұрын
SAME!!!!!!
@atomicninjaduck92006 ай бұрын
Ships ramming you constantly is what you have to put up with when a Klingon is given command! Apparently Federation starships are just better designed for ramming than Klingon ones.
@retluoc6 ай бұрын
Come on, Captain Venom, you're not scared of their quaint little ships. 😆 I don't care what critics say, I loved Venom. It could have been more polished, but I still enjoyed it. 😀 Shinzon and Jean-Luc said they wanted to hit 2 meters. I'm 1.9m and happy with that. 2m is crazy (6'7" in English terms 🙂) But I digress, back to the fight... yes, if Picard could have rendezvoued with the fleet, they might have had a chance, but even with Dina Meyer's help, they still had to ram the Scimitar and Data had to die. It was still nice seeing Picard as a badass for once. Just like he did with those Naussicans. 😄 Also, even though I grew up in New England, I heard Patrick saying "L-grey" tea 😆. Tea, L-grey hot. I forget how old I was before learning about Earl Grey.
@Hierachy6 ай бұрын
i just wished that the weapon particle effects were closer to the movie, tealish green disruptors and greenish yellow torpedos, also i belive the torpedos should be called a cased plasma torpedo.
@ТимурХамидуллин-в4к6 ай бұрын
Привет как вы обтимизируйте моды пожалуста помогите
@Andropov-l2w6 ай бұрын
how many ships does starfleet have?
@MisterMarin6 ай бұрын
Picking on the weakest of the bunch. What a bully... 😉
@johngalt46576 ай бұрын
Would like to see the Scimitar go up against a Dominian Battlecruiser!😃👍💛
@TrentonBennett6 ай бұрын
I would have liked to think the Omega task force would have been able to defeat the Scimitar, especially if this is any indication of that. Although I don't think they'd decloak and fight. Firing through the cloak gives them a tactical advantage and the task force would have to do a lot of blind weapons firing like the Enterprise-E did at the beginning of the battle. I couldn't help but laugh the second time when the Galaxy class rammed into you lol.
@giovannirodriguesdasilva6466 ай бұрын
They learn from the Odyssey
@RetroBadgerGaming6 ай бұрын
Your right. The Scimitar's greatest advantage was it's cloak 🖖
@RenserinАй бұрын
Honestly, I think it would have been a toss up, who would have won. Shizon was obsessed, and the Scimitar was a monster battleship with a massive amount of offensive weapons. On the other hand, Starfleet had the advantage of numbers, and everyone on those ships would be fighting to protect the Earth itself with everything they had. The only thing I can tell you for certain is that it would have been one heck of a fight.
@b0036 ай бұрын
I like the firepower of the Scimitar but not the design. Looks like a pulled scab.
@PhoenixBird90003 ай бұрын
I would say it would depend on whether the Thalaron weapon could be charged and fired while cloaked. If so - and it had the dispersion radius to be able to kill a planet - Shinzon could have wiped out Task Force Omega without them even knowing what hit them. If Shinzon decided it was more important at that point to just destroy the task force, complete the mission, and forget about Picard, he could have succeeded, even though he would have died. If he insisted on trying to get Picard back and tried to slug it out I think he could have still lost. That many ships and that big a battle, sooner or later the cloak would have taken some damage or some Starfleet engineer would have figured out how to get around it. They have a knack for doing that sort of thing.
@salih-khan4 ай бұрын
One problem though the ai doesn't move around to let the other Shields tank the damage. Everything will be at 100 except front shields and they will just stay there taking it all head on (literally)
@kellyevans32546 ай бұрын
I wonder if the game has the radiation super-weapon? Cause I think Shinzon would have parked cloaked at optimal firing range and just turned all the people on every ship to ash without ever being spotted.
@mobeasley85776 ай бұрын
Was the Defiant part of the task force in this battle? I think it would be a 50/50 chance of a Scimitar victory in an actual battle vs the task force on the movie screen firing while cloaked.
@02ujtb006266 ай бұрын
Other way arpund please? Can we do that from the perspective of the Intrepid class? Others too?❤
@ransom1826 ай бұрын
That was a fun battle! Always wish this is what the Nemesis battle could have been
@oopsydaisy46372 ай бұрын
Worf would have been very pleased if he was on the Ent D :)
@invictus25786 ай бұрын
The scimitar should be able to fire while cloaked then it would be a better fight like the movie
@getothechoppa1146 ай бұрын
Wicked🖖 Omega partical all the way🖖
@waltermetcalfe52076 ай бұрын
No I don’t think they would win they need to be able to cloak
@Nicolas_Cage_Bees6 ай бұрын
I don't think it would have made much of a difference. They knocked out 2 Valdores like they were nothing and then crippled the Enterprise. I imagine the Excelsiors, Intrepid, and Defiant classes all get 1 shot by it while it's cloaked unless the Defiant class has the same armor as the original Defiant then maybe not but they certainly don't last long.
@giovannirodriguesdasilva6466 ай бұрын
The Enterprise was already damaged, not to mention that Shinzon knew the Romulans and their ships very well, he had no experience with Starfleet
@scpguy13816 ай бұрын
Battle group Omega didn’t have a Defiant class in it, however it did have an Intrepid class named USS Valiant
@jasonwestwood70926 ай бұрын
No The Intrepid class U.S.S Intrepid the Valliant was mist likely a Defiant class.
@scpguy13816 ай бұрын
@@jasonwestwood7092 look at memory Alpha, it’s an Intrepid
@jcs10256 ай бұрын
All I can see when I look at the Renaissance is 2 highlighters glued to the top of the primary hull. 😂😂 I think it would have looked fine without them.
@RetroBadgerGaming6 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@stevebotham20186 ай бұрын
Do they have a Scimitar modeled after how the movie version was Firing from cloak a secondary shield array for when cloaked?
@RetroBadgerGaming6 ай бұрын
There is a version in Kobayashimaru that can fire whilst cloak. However it doesn't have shields, so if you triangulate its position it's easy to destroy. It's very weak as well.
@seansteinbacher64496 ай бұрын
I think when nemesis takes place all the starfleet ships would of been dominion war refits and most likely had quantum torpedoes
@RetroBadgerGaming6 ай бұрын
That's a very good point 🖖
@hudsonball4702Ай бұрын
yeah... thanks.
@BoopdaBeep6 ай бұрын
Worf before the battle: kzbin.info/www/bejne/en7FhqxqeM99kLMsi=wMwVBOZBUH9njQ5_
@RetroBadgerGaming6 ай бұрын
🤣🤣
@milescarpenter-d4y6 ай бұрын
well, the scimitar had 2 sets of shields! besides being able to fire while cloak.
@RetroBadgerGaming6 ай бұрын
The ultimate fighting machine! 🖖
@dannolives6 ай бұрын
Sun tzu is always the answer Tho he may be romulan