Remember Doctor Who's Heist Movie?

[@HarboWholmes]

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[@DanTheMan2150AD]

Always loved that they got the narrator of the Stanley Parable to be the Bank security voice.

[@hamoiq908]

Honestly the perfect fit

[@QuarterAlive]

THAT WAS HIM?

[@DanTheMan2150AD]

@@QuarterAlive yes

[@0joshdude]

OMFG it was wasn't it

[@rebbyberard8150]

I LOVE 12's "robbing a bank, robbing a whole bank" line but what makes it funnier to me is how robbing a bank sounds like a perfect doctor/river date

[@sarahglover3286]

Time Heist has always been one of my favourite episodes, its so underrated!

[@Brownievideosstudio]

Hello Sarah! I remember you from the confused adipose Channel! Nice to see you in and around Whotube

[@sarahglover3286]

@@Brownievideosstudio I'm in every WhoTubers comments!

[@maniraptavia4008]

Same here! It's INCREDIBLY, SHOCKINGLY underrated!

[@Yardnoc3103]

The Doctor/Architect twist was a bit obvious, but I was curious to see why the Doctor would go through the extra steps and I was satisfied.

[@lucypreece7581]

I think what really works with the characters is Sabre and Psi are forced to live lonely isolated lives detached from humanity through circumstance. They have every reasons to be cold and distant and unfeeling but they still have a great amount of humanity within them and I think The Doctor sees a lot of himself with the two of them. Psi says that his title says it all Doctor. The great emotional detachment. Doctors often do have to be emotionally detached from patients and cannot get too involved. They have to move on quickly. That's exactly like how The Doctor is. People come and go from his life and he never stays in one place for too long. He is always moving on. He is detached and lonely but still has that humanity and empathy and morality with in him.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

Indeed.

[@Seb_Falkor]

This episode might be one of my favorite 12 & Clara episodes. It’s so great

[@jonathankozenko]

One thing that I really liked about this story was that it featured a good amount of the Moffat timey-wimey, but this time he (and Stephen Thompson) knew exactly how far to take it, without taking too far like was often done around this time.

[@vullord666]

I’d say Moffat really perfected the Timey-wimey stuff in 12’s run when compared to 11. It also felt a lot more subtle and didn’t distract from the plot.

[@Scottlp2]

I take it you didn’t like eg The Pandorica?

[@jonathankozenko]

@@vullord666 What's odd is that I found 11's era to be the highlight and worst of the timey-wimey thing; like, it represented both the apex and nadir of this story-writing approach. I never really thought of it now but you are correct - pretty much none of the things I disliked during 12's, small or large, era were related to this, and sometimes (like Last Christmas) it was used to solid effect.

[@jonathankozenko]

@@Scottlp2 I actually loved Season 5's Pandorica/Cracks in the Universe plotline; the only thing I didn't like was the latter parts of The Big Bang as I felt that Moffat had created a brilliant premise and, doing so, wrote himself into a corner

[@BlueSparxLPs]

@@jonathankozenko The Big Bang has always been a very strange episode for me, and I haven't been able to nail down why. At some point during the episode I just get totally lost every time and I have to assume it's because the solutions they came up with just went over my head or something.

[@SanctumSanctorumVidz]

Time Heist is S-tier. Or at least A. It's one of the few episodes that I can just pop on and always enjoy with no disappointment or narrative-story arc complications

[@benjimarshallbra]

My father watched all the modern and old school doctor who. This is his favourite episode and his father monster .

[@alfje5492]

Sabre = a fusion of Mystique and Rogue, but seemingly with only the negative aspects of their powers. I wouldn't mind seeing her or Psi pop up again.

[@rhodrage]

I love how one of the Mughots is the Trickster. I can only begin to wonder how they caught him.

[@mrcritical6751]

An odd Easter egg but a good one

[@Ruuehxbfiqkxn]

I can just imagine a British copper taking him away in cuffs

[@Comicbroe405]

Especially now that it's confirmed he's a god now.

[@MarkWiseTechno]

"Shut up, shut up, shuttity up up up." One of my favorite 12th Doctor quotes.

[@dcworld4349]

I always loved this episode this and the mummy really showed that the core doctor was still there despite having changed drastically. And it doesn't hurt that Clara in that outfit has never looked better, the scene where she says "look at me", I looked at her the same way Gadot looked at Pine in the famous biting lip interview. She's always been beautiful but she was smokin here.

[@MunkiZee]

I liked the creature being named the teller, at first you're expecting some fearsome bank window employee, it gets you questioning why everything gets so tense when the teller is mentioned. I mean, what are they gonna do? Give them unfavourable exchange rates?

[@poohslosteyes264]

I love that it's a three way pun. Teller as in bank teller, teller as in it can tell your guilt, and "teller" as in "tele"pathic.

[@sunnywaffles]

I literally just watched this episode 2 days ago. Season 8 is slept on as well as Peter Capaldi

[@dougsfilmtv9810]

I will say this story is the best story out of Series 8 and when I was a senior in high school, I was like The Doctor is going to rob a bank? When I first watched it I was like what is going on here? And the twists were so amazing. This story did try something new in the show which I like, and I was like The Doctor robbing a bank that is something I could see the classic series do back then.

[@alexpotts6520]

This is great, but best story in series 8? Flatline would like a word.

[@Comicbroe405]

​@@alexpotts6520Or Listen. All goated tho.

[@chriso5507]

Ive been waiting for this!! Time Heist and Mummy on the Orient Express are two of my absolute favorites of 12's run! So underrated. Would have definitely put it into the A tier though

[@cardsfanboy]

Agreed, I was shocked to see it being listed as B-tier to be honest. I was fine with Psy character development, I think Harbo was wrong with his assessment, and sometimes you don't need to show the regret a character felt for them to earn some redemption. Her deciding on her death bed makes perfect sense.

[@Joey15811]

Mummy isn't under rated. It's 12s 2nd most popular after the extremely over rated Heaven sent.

[@Samviking01]

The scene in Karabraxos' private vault is peak S8 Capaldi. Peter smashes the balance of comedy & serious 12 there

[@flo4223]

'Shuttity up up up' lives in my head rent free 😂 and Keeley Hawes is a delight!

[@markprior2278]

Not only my favourite episode of series 8 but definitely in my top ten of new Who stories.

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

I think the concept of this episode is one of the best of all time! Would love to see another space bank robbery elsewhere, perhaps one that is less 'inception' and more straightforward or historical?

[@Julios_47]

I could watch a full season with this four as the regular team tardis

[@larsg.2492]

I did not remerber this episode to exist. Thank you for reminding me.

[@TheWolfXCIX]

I'm very much a Tennant era kind of guy. When I'm rewatching, the only Capaldi episodes I watch are this, Flatline, and the Under the Lake/Before the Flood. Surprised to hear it's not that highly regarded but a good breakdown from you!

[@matthewlacey4198]

Glad to hear someone else liking the Under the Lake two parter, its one of my fav Capaldi episodes

[@TheWolfXCIX]

@@matthewlacey4198 second best base under seige after The Impossible Planet/Satan Pit. Or maybe third behind Waters of Mars it's a tough one

[@aeloswindrunner]

Keeley Hawes always brings her A game. Never seen her not nail a role

[@ITSMeatMan]

I’d love to see a video about the wildest and most obscure Doctor Who characters like that dalek chainsaw guy Absom Daak

[@darrylmars]

Moffat is my favorite Who writer & Time Heist is the Doctor at its best. Writing, acting, story, dialogue, wild aliens & heart. Camelot

[@dcworld4349]

I know that there are plenty of people who hate him, and several videos that talk about how bad of a writer he is (some claiming he's a bad person), but even though the final season of Sherlock was not on par with the first 2, or even 3. And I didn't like that they couldn't write her more grounded so Eurus was practically magic, and had Killgrave superpowers. When it comes to Doctor Who, when he's in his element he's among the best. The best Chibnall episode is not as good as a mediocre Moffat episode. Rtd is amazing and I can't wait to see what he will do next, I'm still hoping Moffat will want to and get to write a couple episodes for the next 3 seasons. I feel he and RTD not only truly understand the show, unlike Chibnall when they brought old things back they clearly knew that most of the audience hasn't watched Who prior to 05. So it was made sure to give the new audience proper set up. Moffat in particular could bring things back and treat it as the encounters happened on the many adventures we don't get to see between episodes. And I never felt like Moffat ever talked down to an imaginary audience that are never going to see the show to begin with. What's strange is Ruth Doctor never had that problem, so I kept wishing that she would not only come back but gotten her own show. She was one of the few good thing about the doctor being the timeless child, and the show in general. I would not mind when RTD is done if BBC gets Moffat to come back.

[@thegreatprimevalshow]

Love the difference between a Harbo and Harry’s reviews. “The story thematics and character development makes this episode an underrated classic.” “The characters act stupid, the production design looks cheap and the story sucks.”

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Harry's stuff has really gone downhill this last year. Forgetting things like the Tardis translation matrix in Cold War and the entire gimmick of the Silence in Revolution of the Daleks is fine, but not when you're reviewing the program. I haven't really agreed with many of his points since his Flux review, but even then he sounds a bit bored. His Series 7 reviews are a bit subpar, and I don't even like Series 7 that much! I still appreciate that he dedicated time to making the reviews, but he sounds like he doesn't want to do them anymore. If he wants to stop, he should stop!

[@nedd.8479]

Doctor Who already did a perfect heist story with 'The Ribos Operation'.

[@FrayRS]

I would also like to say, "looking like Tyler1" is such a niche and insane thing to say 🤣

[@TalleyBellum]

"what's the biggest bank heist you can think of?" Payday 2 white house heist.....

[@chrisknight2631]

I have absolutely no memory of this episode whatsoever. I must’ve been away for a week when it was on and forgot to catch up. I’ve watched the show every week since it came back in 2005 and as my son was old enough to pay attention to an actual TV show I’ve watched it with him (2007ish). As the family has grown we’ve continued to watch it with them, eventually including my parents from Matt Smith’s final run. I rewatch the show often with my youngest son, now 15, and we’re constantly thinking up Best- & Worst-of lists and then watching them and comparing and refining the lists. Redoing them when new series and episodes are aired (ahem Chris Chibnall 😂). It’s his favourite show of all time (he says at 15!!), and because of this it’s mine, too, because I love watching it with him. Yet I have no clue about this one. Even as your review is playing while typing this, I don’t recall a single second of it. I remember other episodes from series 8, and I’ve just flipped over to the iPlayer to check the listings and I remember the episode before it, and the one after (recently watched Kill the Moon which is the second one after this, because of your video and although my memory was fuzzy on that one, I remembered bits of it whilst watching your video). Anyway, none of this actually matters and I am just babbling but I’m so confused that I have never seen this episode. Wondering if I’ve missed anymore now

[@EnQuestOfficial]

a fucking love time heist! its up there with mummy on the orient express for me for fun 12th Doctor episodes

[@tiberiuscodius5828]

Wow I had completely forgotten this episode existed

[@JazzyWaffles]

Saibra's power/curse being framed as sad or horrifying is so funny to me because I personally know several people who would be 101% down for that. So the relationship aspect is honestly taken care of, realistically.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

It's all fun until you have it.

[@alexpotts6520]

I dunno, I think it's a pretty accurate deconstruction. Like, the notion of screwing your own clone or parallel self or whatever, I think precisely because it's something impossible in the real world, is a pretty common kind of "wouldn't it be cool if..." idea for people to speculate on. But actually, no, in a world where this *is* possible it's extremely gross, and if this is the only option for intimacy that is bloody tragic.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

@@alexpotts6520 It's all fun until you did it (or get forced to) .

[@hazeltree7738]

I'm sure plenty of people would be 101% down for immortality, until they realise all their loved ones will die around them and they'll have to suffer through years beyond what humans were ever meant to live. Even worse if it's "You don't stay dead" immortality, so they can just die over and over and over

[@marcuswalters8093]

I really don't agree with Harbo's view that series 8 is an underrated gem - It was the first time I *ever* considered giving up on watching DW for the first time in 28 years of fandom-, but I 'm in strong agreement on this, Capaldi's Doctor never gave a bad performance. I maintain that Tom Baker really was the best (I only started watching his stuff after watching Nu Who so this isn't nostalgia talking), but that Capaldi was giving him a serious run for his money. If he'd been allowed one more series, I think he would have cemented his legacy as the best Doctor. He was certainly my favourite. And yes, best and favourite are not the same thing to me in this case.

[@BobPsomiadis]

I can't understand why so many people hated this episode .This and flatline in my opinion were very good in series 8 .Deep breath and mummy on the Orient express and listen were excellent too .

[@musicparoyds]

One of my favourite episodes, ever.

[@Samviking01]

Man I love this episode so much, it's one of my favourites from the Capaldi years

[@kyeflint1]

I think it should be in A purely for the fact it hardly makes any mistakes and is very underrated

[@danielgertler5976]

I was just thinking of this episode the other day, and I couldn't remember if it was a jodie or capaldi episode... but then I remembered I liked it and figured it mist have been capaldi :P

[@debbiejoanhill1760]

Can you one that explain why Rose is the War Doctor,s Companion, visited Doctor 11 Jack visited while Rose while she was growing up. Doctor 12 visited Amy (Time Lord ) when she was a little girl and met her at the hospital with Rory., ( River Song) is a Time Lord. Donna is a Time Lord. Doctor 12 had Clara as a Companion/ Time Lord? Martha is human.

[@R.senals_Arsenal]

I really liked this episode and though I knew it wouldn't happen, I really wanted the shape-shifter to join the TARDIS for a few episodes like Captain Jack, not forever, just for a bit. I liked her that much before she died. 😢

[@0th_Law]

Personally, I'd argue that Robot of Sherwood was more political than Time Heist. Like, Robin quite literally quotes Proudhon in his first scene (Property is Theft), and the Doctor evokes Marx (the Opiate of the Masses).

[@alexbanks9510]

Favourite standalone episode

[@marionbaggins]

This Episode has the Narrator from The Stanley Parable: Kevan Brighting himself!!!

[@marionbaggins]

Also, the MCU used this Episode's Title in Avengers: Endgame!!!

[@keyblademasterclark]

How can you be sure it was a Slitheen and not some other family from Raxacoricofallapatorius?

[@Redboots]

I agree. I thought this episode was rather boring when it premiered, but upon rewatch it's very well-crafted

[@ronanmates7812]

i adore this episode, if there is one episode i will always return to for capaldi it is this one

[@isobarkley]

i fcking love this episode. i just finished season 10 and i already miss capaldi- more episodes would only ruin his character, but still, i yearn for more.

[@christophersheets5452]

Time heist is S tier material in my book

[@ohgoditshimrun1346]

I can't help but wonder if this review is going to note how much of the inspiration came not from Hollywood but directly from Farscape's "Liars, Guns, and Money".

[@LeadingMole058]

I’m going to be that guy and say this is my favourite Capaldi episode

[@benjaminsmith681]

Top ten episode for me it’s brilliant

[@cardsfanboy]

To me, this is one of the most rewatchable episodes of the Capaldi era. It's not the best, but it's really good, and there is so many moving parts going on that it makes it worth a rewatch every so often. It's probably the only episode of this entire season (that and Mummy on the Orient Express--maybe Deep Breath, but only because I like the Paternoster Gang, not because I liked that particular episode) that I look forward to rewatching. Season 8 is absolutely without a doubt the weakest season in new Who)

[@GEONEgaming]

I literally just watched this episode a couple hours before this video dropped

[@PaulMabley]

Keeley Hawes was in it. That's enough for me.

[@Scottlp2]

Great fun episode. Thanks for bringing back a good Who memory.

[@Dreamprism]

I didn't care for this one at first, but your review in this case was compelling. A "B" works.

[@MetalheadSean666]

Underrated episode, one of the only ones I like in series 8 along with mummy on the orient express and darkwater/death in heaven

[@kirstyholmes9318]

You made me want to watch this episode again. So I did. It lived up to expectations!

[@CCrohny]

This, behind heaven sent is my 2nd fav peter capaldi episode. Definitely in my top 10 episodes too

[@owenmcghee262]

What I love about what you do is sometimes I disagree, other times I agree. Completely fair critique every time. Here's no exception. I love Time Heist and it seems that you do too. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐+

[@MrExplosion449]

This is one of those stories where I want to see how every other Doctor would act

[@vonclarktheshark2279]

Probably my favorite episode of season 8

[@CREN13Queen]

Honestly one of my favourite episodes of doctor who

[@lp-xl9ld]

This was a very good episode...I wouldn't say *the best* 12th Doctor episode, but certainly up there...

[@S_yIvie]

The doctor knowing who to hire is yet another bootstrap paradox

[@Soccerdog2009]

I’ve always loved time heist!!

[@FrayRS]

Great episode however there are certain aspects of the dialogue that I just find a bit cringe. Maybe that's just me aging out of the demographic, but it feels like there are enough mature themes (soup) that mean this episode could be rated a 15, however, lots of the dialogue feels very PG, which I think let's the episode down a bit. Great moments throughout though - "I see no-one." Being a highlight

[@randomericthings7506]

I would love to see a debate between you, Mr. TARDIS, and Full Fat Videos on Series 7B and Series 8. You three have super different opinions on them. Full Fat Videos is more of a casual fan based on the videos I’ve watched. Mr. TARDIS seems to have more of an affinity towards the Classic series. While you seem to mainly focus on the Revival series. I would be fascinated to see the chaotic outcome of such a debate. I can further understand how people talk to each other. That’s probably what Chibnall needed.

[@tomstar132]

7:25 Oh my god I literally though this was a segue into a VPN ad, you scared the bajeesus out of me lol

[@shawnamiller191]

I really wish the doctor had dropped the poor guy off at home so he could see his family

[@marcuswalters8093]

I've just realised that Psi is a CYborg.

[@yareyaredaze3798]

Saber could've wore gloves

[@tomhibbert6486]

Cue mission impossible music

[@abigailwildlife1322]

nah i actually loved this ep

[@chase1146]

XD love the jab at tyler 1

[@lachlandoig763]

I would love to see Psy come back

[@lmackenzie89]

I always thought this episode was underrated.

[@apanapandottir205]

15:41 lmao

[@markpostgate2551]

It's amazing to think this episode predates Rick and Morty. It's both the Rickiest and Mortiest Doctor Who episode ever.

[@terra4686]

bruh i literally just watched this lmao

[@thomasjohnson8391]

A version of oceans eleven or grand theft auto

[@SJ-dl6uc]

it's so funny. to us information and journalism activist scientists, with probono work in protesting whistleblowers, hackers and journalists and whistleblowers are never the criminal. no matter what they reveal. if only the US would remember its roots in whistleblowing and information protection. ugh (I know this is a British show. don't be obtuse)

[@selatidos]

and when hell bent?

[@dwylie83]

Just saying I'd boink myself

[@TexasTimeLord]

Every Doctor Who episode is great compared to the Space Lady and Fam dumpster fire that followed

[@rachaelpalmer4974]

No offense, but have you thought about going back to your old style of videos where you showed more clips of the show? I enjoy your reviews, but ever since you’ve begun to rely on more footage of you staring into the camera, it really takes me out of the immersion.

[@mrevilducky]

The problem with this is copyright

[@M1ABRIMSvsPANZER]

there is a marked difference with the well done social commentary of the bast seasons and the ham fisted poorly made seasons of the last few years.

[@KEEGANATORGAMING]

You can call the heartless corporate character as woke. But this type of character has been portrayed for ages.

[@markpostgate2551]

And in fact, "woke" Who, at its "wokiest" doesn't care about corporations; look at "Kerblam!" - has Doctor Who ever simped so hard for big corporations than in "Kerblam!" - the whole point of "woke" is it is really apolitical, substituting actual politics for divisive identitarian virtue signalling. No one would be at all offended about Doctor Who having a go at big corporations and it has always done that from the IMC in Colony in Space to the Ood slavers of Planet of the Ood. That isn't what people are complaining about when they complain about "woke". It is pretty clear that "woke" was released into the meme supply in the wake of Occupy Wall Street precisely for the purpose of taking the heat off of big corporations, governments and corrupt institutions because a public divided against each other over petty identity politics is much less of a threat to the status quo and the bottom line than the public actually directing their anger towards those with power.

[@PhialSubstance]

But modern Doctor Who is woke. Time Heist is not. Things being political doesn't make them woke. Weaving a message into a story isn't woke. Slapping the viewer in the face constantly with the message and demonising them if they disagree is woke. It's fine to put your opinions in if you do it gracefully and respectfully, but not if you treat the audience like they're just dumb children and you're some kind of messianic prophet that everyone should follow. That's the difference between pre-chibnall and post-chibnall Who.

[@markpostgate2551]

Except... hmmm... some woke messaging starts to show from season 9 onwards, possibly season 8 if the "men shouldn't express an opinion on abortions" message of Kill The Moon counts. Albeit it goes full unleashed from series 11 onwards. I think for the most part Moffat managed to offset it and countetbalance it in many ways. The "woke = political" false equivalence is upheld by both sides though. I noticed in praising Godzilla Minus One (as well they should; it's a bloody masterpiece) one anti-woke critic praised it for having "no hint of politics". What on Earth can he mean; no politics?!? It criticizes governments that manipulate the public by witholding information; that men are treated as disposable during wartime; it has a strong anti-war message; it discusses issues like post traumatic stress disorder, survivor guilt. It's hugely political, but it's not divisive and it's not identitarian and for that reason it doesn't read as "woke" and that is clearly what they meant.

[@PstrywBerryVids]

Harbo said Belfast is in Ireland he's so fucking based for this

[@LiminalQueenMedia]

Its the stand out episode in an otherwise mediocre season imo.