Remembering Street Fighter X Tekken's Guest Characters

[@liljon042]

Hi! Dev of the PS3 character mod, sorry about the VFX! It's been an extremely irritating thing to fix as their textures are extractable and the files themselves are possible to port to pc, but loading it either crashes or softlocks the game. It's been quite a few years since I did this, and honestly, I'm not happy with how it ended up, but it functions. Thank you for being kind about the whole situation! Maybe one day I can go back to work on it! Edit: I should mention that this alone is not JUST my work. The ps3 characters were made possible by SO many people, I was mostly just the one that rallied everyone together to get stuff working. Another sidenote: the vfx are messed up in the first place because they work by using another character's vfx files and tried to use the best substitute. IIRC, Toro and Kuro use Ryu and Kazuya's vfx, respectively. Mega Man used Ken's vfx, hence the fire when using his ice move. Cole used Jin's I think? And Pac-Man used Chun Li's vfx.

[@TheCrayonStealer1]

DONT TAKE CREDIT FO PTHER PEOPLES WORK

[@liljon042]

​@@TheCrayonStealer1...what? I'm quite literally the original poster of the thread on the sfxtk mod forums and the one to get everything together and functioning. I also said I'm not the only one to get the mod possible. To say that would be not only lying, but absolutely wrong to all of the people who got everything working in a playable state.

[@khanage1344]

I just saw this now! So sorry for replying late! Thank you so much for creating this mod! It's super cool and I love seeing the weird VFX, personally haha

[@Pinkanator]

Hope it's not rude to ask, but would the minor issues be THEORETICALLY fixable, or would they require serious breakthroughs? Pac-Man's T-Pose, Toro and Kuro's facial expressions, Cole's unique Orange Pandora? Mega Man and Pac-Man's unique Cross-Assault themes? The guests (minus Cole) being hidden bosses in Arcade Mode? The patch adds the missing DLC costumes, but misses the unreleased DLC Colours for Colour Edit mode too. I think the patch is amazing, I'm so, SO happy it exists so this game can be appreciated as much as it possibly can be, it's just the tiny tiny details not carried over can't help but bother me, so I felt I'd mention in case this project ever got seriously off the ground again.

[@caldw615]

It's funny to me that Cole was in two different fighting games within the span of a year and his franchise has just faded into obscurity somewhat.

[@joonaspenttila201]

Psasbr?

[@mikaela5938]

i still have a grudge against Sony for killing PlayStation allstars before it could become as big as it should have been

[@Gamersgoinblind]

My favorite thing about Pac-Man specifically is that people say that his moveset isn't very Pac-Man but it actually very much is because it's all based on the Pac-Man World moveset.

[@chopper8209]

Finally, somebody talks about these characters in depth!!!

[@Sonderasf]

Okay, I had NO IDEA that Cole McGrath was in this game. That is insane dude.

[@TheiviousRaccoonus]

bad boxart megaman probably would’ve gone over better imo if they didn’t have all those MM games cancelled. Would’ve been seen as a more good natured joke instead of rubbing salt in a wound

[@austinreed7343]

Nowadays, not having Mega Man in a crossover at all is considered rubbing salt in a wound. I’m pretty sure Capcom learned their lesson with this.

[@grinbrothers]

Street Fighter X Tekken was such a bizarre game. A tag-team where none of the default pairs are crossovers with each other. A random gem system completely original to it. A five guest characters with three of them not even being by either Capcom or Namco. 0:30 - Which is a real shame, as Microsoft does have a fair few IPs, even if don't utilise many of them. With it not being long until their 2013 Killer Instinct revival, a guest inclusion could have been a perfect way to drum up hype for it. Perhaps even a callback to the OG Xbox with Kabuto Chojin or Tao Feng guest character (though Dead or Alive outshone them as the Xbox exclusive fighting game). 2:09 - Cole actually seems a decent choice, and feels rather befitting with the graphical style and move-set capabilities. It's surprising to me how late in the PS3's life Infamous 2 released. 4:05 - I was just thinking about how his Shock Grenade would be perfect paired up with an anti-air and here we go; an anti-air. 6:07 - Getting some fun flashbacks to Gon here... and this was the Street Fighter version. I'm not really a fan of how Street Fighter plays, so I let this game pass me by, believing that would someday get to experience it in the preferred manner of Tekken x Street Fighter... which of course, never happened (besides, if the Tekken team worked on another game, I'd rather Pokkén Tournament 2). 8:19 - A creative take, but certainly doesn't feel very Pac-Man like. I assume they wanted you take him a bit more seriously than Toro and Kuro, so it's ironic that he didn't come out well as a fighter, despite the extra reach. 9:56 - Despite fighting in a mecha, the attacks here do at least seem Pac-Man like. Both his revving dash and ground pound here are moves he uses in Pac-Man World. 11:38 - Why didn't just make that bigger Pac-Man the playable character!? 13:19 - A bit weird you can use it only during a neutral jump; it would have a far better chance of hitting otherwise. Mega Man here seems to have a lot to stop a jumping opponent but very little going for him in a ground game.

[@khanage1344]

Thanks for the lengthy comment, Grin Brothers! I don't really read the comments anymore because to be honest, the negative comments are ones that I take to heart and they mess up my creative side, but I want you to know that I appreciate every comment you leave under my videos and that you've pretty much been here from the beginning, which I appreciate ❤

[@MysterioGyllenhaal19]

I swear Xbox always get the short end of the stick when it comes to console exclusive characters i.e., this game as well as Mortal Kombat 9 like the PS3 had Kratos but the Xbox had no one (Ed Boon did say that he did want someone for the Xbox but could not do it in time and Gears of War Cliff Bleszinski was interested to see Marcus Fenix or General RAAM as the Xbox Guest which I could see it working well). I would like to see Console Exclusive Characters in Fighting Games again (Imagine Mortal Kombat adding Twisted Metal's Sweet Tooth representing PlayStation while Gears of War's Marcus Fenix/General RAAM or Doomslayer representing Xbox and Soul Calibur 7 could add Ghost of Tshushima's Jin Sakai, Legend of Dragoon's Dart Feld or The Bloodborne Hunter to represent PlayStation while Killer Instinct's Jago represents Xbox). I could go further like imagine their stages, alt costumes, special dialogue, etc., However, I doubt that will happen due to the bad reputation they sometimes get especially in tournament play.

[@grinbrothers]

@@MysterioGyllenhaal19 I like the concept of console exclusive characters when it's evenly distributed; Soulcalibur 2 where each game had it's own exclusive character was a nice way to do things and made each version feel distinct. Interesting to hear about a Gears of War character potentially being added to Mortal Kombat; they'd have fit in well. Luckily, General RAAM did get a fighting game role in Killer Instinct.

[@TheTerminator619sd]

Cole's slide can be linked I think. It was a trial if I'm not mistaken & you have to connect it's farthest distance/last active frame or something like that

[@MysterioGyllenhaal19]

Good video :) It made me remember Street Fighter X Tekken which was sort of disappointing imo for the reasons mentioned by almost everyone. I was reading that Nathan Drake from the Uncharted series was considered for this game but was replaced by Cole McGrath due to the team believing that Cole would be more fun which they were not wrong (as much as I like Nathan Drake I can't see him working well here but we did get the other guest characters so I could be wrong)

[@RealKame]

Such a great game played like 2 months ago got cooked by juri and bison😂

[@lesleyblackvelvet7647]

NGL not counting the guest characters, we literally have a template for the Capcom roster of the next CvS game

[@austinreed7343]

I have a feeling if we get a CvS in the near future it will be closer to the Marvel games in terms of things like roster design, but still.

[@eaglesman19]

No, if we get another CvS game Capcom is gonna focus on their fighting game franchises to represent the brand. So expect a ton of Street Fighter, Final Fight, Rival Schools, and maybe some Darkstalkers characters. They’re not gonna include the other franchises because they don’t fit the theme of the game. That’s why these characters feel so out of place in x Tekken.

[@austinreed7343]

@@eaglesman19 There’s also a few forgotten fighter IP that could be nice to give representation to, such as Power Stone. But still, SNK have a lot of non-fighting games, so a broader roster is possible as seen with the sub-bosses/secret bosses of SvC Chaos, which admittedly has a different theme to it allowing for those weird bosses.

[@Morrigan101]

@@eaglesman19 CVS2 Capcom roster fucking sucked even if it was supposed to rep only fighting game series in fact its worse like that. 85% of it is SF , only morrigan from Darkstalkrs is in and DS has a ton of great chars also NO cyberbot reps, no Slam masters reps, no Power Stone Reps, no Red Earth reps, no Star Gladiator reps . it was bad

[@austinreed7343]

@@Morrigan101 At least most of those IP got stage cameos.

[@redchariot4006]

I remember Cole being actually really fun when I used to play X Tekken The way Capcom designed him made me curious about how a more traditional fighter of only Playstation characters would had been Also fun fact. Originally instead of Cole, the Devs wanted Nathan Drake from Uncharted as a guest, but they went with Cole in the end

[@SuccubusStrikerUnofficial]

"This isn't Smash Bros. This game is designed to be competitive." Well fuck, I'm playing the game wrong.

[@user-su1gi7ee9e]

This is also a cross over with Tekken and it’s not a series that’s usually known for having super flash super moves so it fits with all the other not as flashy as Marvel VS Capcom supers.

[@Reds994]

The biggest killer for me is that Cole was a ton of fun. You could rotate between poking with good normals or projectiles to rushing down with that leap.... but then you see his health. To ensure that the exclusive characters weren't tourney viable they all have shit health. For example, Akuma has 850. Cole had 750, tied with the cats. Such a shame.

[@JamorantJee-xf8yj]

Pac-Man just gave Kuma the brain blast at 11:10 . That ain’t no laser, that’s Psyshock.

[@somekami3375]

You’re a saint for talking about these characters 🔥

[@francesyucedag7165]

Love your comment

[@nightmaregats]

If you could only call-in an assist with your partner like you can in MvsC games, it'd have been way better.

[@austinreed7343]

I think it was done to keep the game more grounded and more akin to the CvS games. I see what you mean though, perhaps an EX tag could be the one that has the call-in attack.

[@austinreed7343]

To be fair, I feel like the Smash version of MM, in concept, isn’t much better than Bad Boxart, but execution wise they stuck the landing.

[@dougexists]

It's so nice to see this game getting its second wind. It's even cooler to finally see these characters gettin an in-depth explaination. Great video!

[@plusah1268]

I think megamans horse kick and kick are inspired from his animations in mvc1/2

[@bananabike279]

Great video! It's weird that I've never seen all of these guys in action before outside of gameplay, but now I know it's because they're all banned.

[@dyldragon1]

Cole and Pac-Man were actually pretty fun honestly.

[@user-su1gi7ee9e]

I can put that aside because the game was really fun and a challenge to learn but once I kind figured it out it was one of my favorite crossover games it could have used more stages because the ones they had I liked and I wanted to see more.

[@Departureandblues]

The very short period of PlayStation putting their characters in fighting games. Odd but honestly I'd love for more big game devs to do this.

[@thelastgogeta]

They aren't beating the "Capcom hate Mega Man" allegations with this one... I guess it would be really annoying for online PS players (assuming they are allowed - Miis weren't in Smash 4) most of these exclusive characters were even passable given how they look but still. They should have known that the scene wouldn't have allowed them anyway, so they can be okay at least.

[@ericgallant2981]

I hope this game gets rereleased someday.

[@nathanblevins158]

I wish they had a X-box character for the Xbox console. Like master chief or any character

[@DIASTCartoons]

I remember wanting Pac-Man and Megaman as playable characters when the game was first announced. I considered Pac-Man as my main in the game for casual play when the game was active. I hope Tekken X Street Fighter (whenever that game comes out) reconsiders including Pac-Man and Megaman as higher tier characters.

[@saffrox7650]

I love this game a lot. The inclusion of my all-time favorite character (being Pac-Man) with a weird ass depiction just makes it all the better to me!

[@otooandoh9556]

Good video! One suggestion in the future is to possible pull footage from tournaments or other channels if you don't have the relevant footage of the attack going off. You could put a footage credit on the screen for whose footage you're sourcing. It's a bit jarring when you talk about the supers without the animations properly going off due to tbe modded pc version though i understand that's what you had to work with. Keep up the good videos

[@heyitsmort7744]

This! Also, I may be in the minority but the stuff that got hand waved as “I’m sure you already know about this” wasn’t always true for me. Would love to see the context for why mega man looks like this in the game

[@Timic83tc]

@@heyitsmort7744 Basically he looks like the US box art for the Megaman NES games where he was a fat man

[@Dzzy123]

They could have done even more with Cole's moveset to make him cooler.

[@Timic83tc]

Cole was boss

[@rawrdino7046]

This game is so fun, shame it was done so dirty

[@GanonAutumn777]

I was fresh off the news of all the megaman cancelations back in 2011 so when bad boxart megaman showed up as on disc dlc,what was supposed to be a tongue n cheek joke turned me off from buying the game entirely Is it a petty reason?maybe but even then the time out and the rest of the on disc dlc wouldve turned me off the game regardless of Bad Boxart Megaman's existence

[@MegiDolaDyne]

Not gonna lie, as someone who had an Xbox back in the day it was these characters, not the gems or the on-disc DLC controversy, that turned me off from buying the game. I just hated the idea that I was getting an inferior version with a whole five less characters and nothing to compensate for it.

[@SirIsaacFortesque]

Alright, big nerd comment incoming. (And I mean that is the best way I can, the vid quality is good, just a lot of stuff I want to point out) Cole: Not really much to say, but most of the powers he uses here are actually in Playstation All-Stars as well, I'd say he's just as well represented in this game as he is there. (Which is good) Toro and Kuro: Being clones of Ryu and Kazuya does work imho, Toro is a character that is known for playing lots of games, and fighting games like Street Fighter and Tekken are ones that he does quite enjoy in-universe, (Heck, he name drops Heihachi in his rival battle with him, and he's even excited to see him) so him and Kuro mimicking Ryu and Kazuya fit pretty well, although Playstation All-Stars I think did Toro more justice (Heh) than this game, because his moveset isn't just one fighting game character, or even one fighting game, it's a lot meshed into one, with some stuff actually from his series. (Go check out Bobthepetferrets Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale History series if you want to see how he is in that game, and for Cole as well if you want) Pac-Man: funnily enough, almost every special move of Pac's does actually have a counter part in the Pac-Man World series, (Covered in the order you covered them) Charge that you can charge up (I don't know the name) = Rev Roll, Hip Attack = Butt Bounce, Flip Kick = ...Well Flip Kick, (It was a move you could use in the air in Pac-Man World 2) Pac-Dot = Dot Toss, it's neat how Capcom took the World games moves and redid them so the Mokujin could use them. (Also there's a pair of videos made by a guy named "The Numen from Pac Land" who talked about his inclusion in here, and he showed off some neat concept art, go check that out) Mega Man: Okay there's quite a bit to unpack here, 1, all of his nomals are actually very similar to Classic Mega's in Marvel Vs Capcom 1, (And by extension 2) seriously, compare and you will see a good amount of overlap, 2, (Almost) all of his specials are actually from the same game that gave us the infamous box art this Mega Man is based on, Mega Man 1, Ice Slasher and Thunder Beam are the weapons you get from Ice man and Elec Man respectively, his grab looks non-coincidentally close to the Super Arm from Guts Man, and the Mega Uppercut is the Mega Upper from the second Power Fighter arcade game and MVC1, and I'm fairly certain that the Slide from Mega Man 3 is in there too, 3, obviously the super is the charge shot from Mega Man 4, 5, he's not actually named Rock Man like he always is in Japan, he's still called Mega Man over there, basically saying this is Mega if he was American. Wow that was probably way too much.

[@crislunaverellen6563]

I used to have this game *way back* when I was little. However, looking back at it now, it's underwhelming bad! Reasons are because 1. The gem system 2. The Pandora system was just too much 3. The on disc DLC 4. Don't get me started on how most rivalries are terrible and make no sense Overall, it's a shame this crossover got wrecked down pretty badly since release! Plus, there was going to be a Tekken x Street Fighter (which was the exact same, just opposite graphics and all that stuff), but was in development hell! Now, I feel like Capcom and Bandai Namco are hardly ever gonna collaborate ever again.

[@zebes04]

How i buy the game on steam?

[@bombs2848]

Its kinda funny that 4/5 of the crossover characters are ass

[@ДжокерМайерс]

Жаль что лишь у 2х персонажей можно поиграть в режиме аркада даже то что изо того что в россии санкиции,даже бесплатных 2х персонажей получить не удается )=

[@jonathan-6958]

The biggest L of this game is that its just street fighter 4 tag with tekken skins. Ur tekken knowledge is unlikely to translate well where your SF4 knowledge is easily leveraged. The on disc dlc is disgusting and awful

[@marcusmaxwell1174]

getting this game on Wednesday