Remembering Vanilla Tirisfal Glades | Zone Retrospective

[@seanconant3218]

Tirisfal is where the game cinematic shows the undead warlock summon two Infernals. That wicked aspiration made that place special to newbie warlocks.

[@lurker_yt]

@@seanconant3218 sure is! got that clip and a mention of that in the vid 😁 it's the agamand mills!

[@gabeclark8050]

This was the first zone I ever played wow in as a young kid. My friends finally convinced me to play the game and I was shocked at how long I played right through. The immersion in this zone was so gripping. Full of allure and wonder of what laid beyond. Once I saw a blood elf paladin come by me on its red horse and I was so amazed that people could look so cool! Forever a soft spot in my heart with this zone.

[@Fuzzidio]

Please keep up these Zone Retrospective videos, i love them

[@sfomorten9478]

Dude… you gotta make a Silverpine Forest video… in the first house you meet down the road has an NPC named the same as my dad… and i have NEVER seen or hear of any1 named the same as my dad… Thy for some awesome videos

[@oolacilian]

vanilla brill will always live in my heart

[@Knight-of-Sarcasm]

It's where I met the entity of the Headless Horseman during Wrath's Hallowed End going WTH is that?????? I started end of BE so it was doubly amazing to me and fit the ambience of the zone even more!

[@kendee_]

My first character was an undead warrior that I still main to this day, Tirisfal really stays with you years later.

[@lurker_yt]

@@kendee_ even after writing this video, still feel like it's hard to capture exactly why that is. it's a phenomenal zone

[@FenrirFrostborn]

WoW undead are the best. i too made an undead warrior a few weeks after launch and have mained him ever since.

[@MattH11]

My first was a undead rogue. And since wrath, my main has been a undead dk. I always remember tirisfal glades. And soon will return when I make my first SoD toon. Question is, should it be undead warrior, or another undead rogue?

[@FenrirFrostborn]

@@MattH11 SoD destroyed warrior.

[@MattH11]

@@FenrirFrostborn guess it’s a Rogue then. I know they made it where rogues can “tank” based off evades. What did they do to warrior?

[@DIEGhostfish]

6:00 Thank you, it's really interesting to see how Blizzard originally had things. ESPECIALLY Their treatment of the Arcane, and the Old Gods..

[@SpookyVillages]

Hi! I love these zone videos and wanted to leave a thoughtful comment! There are other KZbin folks that do a good job talking about the lore of the zones, and you do that as well, but I also appreciate the gameplay / design philosophy / design history / art design nuggets that you drop throughout your videos. Those do such an awesome job of helping to tell the whole story!

[@lurker_yt]

thank you!! i appreciate this very much 😊

[@devonmcfarland4782]

I love the way that you go about these retrospectives - very nice blend of lore, player perspective, and game design. please keep making more!

[@Uielyave]

First time entering Undercity gave me chills. Especially hearing the voices of Arthas and his father in the throne room. i hadn;t played any of the Warcraft Games before playing WoW, so hearing the voices was super spooky and it made me love the Undercity even more. I also loved Brill as it was a decent RP town before it all changed.

[@lurker_yt]

@@Uielyave yeah I figured everyone knew that Easter egg which is why I did not mention, but the throne room voices are such a nice touch

[@skellyzero]

Damn what a great video. I was lucky to be a kid when WoW came out, lucky to experience all this and still have fantastic memories of it. This video hits right in the feels yo. At the end ive seen you have little over 1k subs. You have the quality ma dude, keep it up and you can make it big. I was there when Taliesin & Evitel started, first time i saw their video was when they had 13k subscribers. And also Wille, i saw him when he saw under 10k subs. Hope one day soon i can say the same thing for you… i was there when lurker had 1.1k subs!

[@lurker_yt]

@@skellyzero appreciate the encouragement man 🤍 we press on!

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

One thing I liked about starting as a Forsaken was you start in a crypt and then you leave it and the guy is like "Ah you made it, thought we might have to throw out with the other ones." or something along those lines. Very different from the "Welcome recruit!" the others have. Also the reason Tirisfal feels more complete than other Horde zones isn't so much the Alliance were made first, but rather the _Eastern Kingdoms_ was made first (which has 2/3 of the Alli starting zones), that's why the Alliance zones are mostly better, but the Forsaken and Night Elf zone qualities are reversed. You see this in the higher level zones too where the Plaguelands are quite complete, but Silithus and Azshara feel unfinished. And even the mid-level zones on Kalimdor, while having a few solid ones, had many unfinished ones, such as Dustwallow which had the rest of it's quests made in _TBC_

[@lurker_yt]

@@DrewPicklesTheDark thanks for this! that's a really good point

[@williamgallian2399]

I really like that you contextualize the zone by what gear and abilities people have. Really recaptures the entire feeling of the zone. Great video!

[@ahealthkit2745]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt so enthralled by Vanilla Tirisfal! That place had such a mystery and flavour to it that felt so homely, despite crawling with zombies and spirits!

[@kolsfug3148]

Excellent analysis of a player-experience matching my own! I played through the zone multiple times pre-Cata, and it was the only zone where I always took my time exploring the spaces between the quests. Seeing Gordo in the distance for the first time and instinctly running away, only to discover that he was in fact not some wandering boss but a friendly questgiver was a core-memory for me!

[@squidjism]

I regret not playing wow when it came out, but i did play when classic was released a handful of years ago. I absolutely loved it, playing with my wife and kid intil the end of wrath was incredibly fun, all 3 9f us had different playthroughs, the kid was pvp focused, my wife was power leveling to min max raiding, and i was the explorer, reading every quest, book, opening every chest, and unlocking the map's fog every chance I could. I cherish the fun i did have playing the classic trilogy.

[@Soursass]

Dude your videos don’t have nearly the amount of views they deserve. I expected to see 500K+ on something like this. Please, please keep up the great work and continue to pump out more content. Liked & subbed.

[@lucacastellotto6890]

I’ve never played wow but I’m still here for the vibes and nostalgia 🙌

[@clintonmaciel4151]

I’m a loyal Alliance player, but I’ve created multiple undead players to play through this zone. Great video man!

[@luciuscincinnatus5019]

During my elementary days of the early 2000s as a product of the times, worshiping Bam Margera and being a skateboarder goth/punk poser, I of course made a Undead Warlock the first time my older brother made me play WoW. I spent many hours in this zone asking my bro about the lore and trying to find the connections and remnants of the previous Warcraft games in Tirisfal. Got hooked after that. This video bought back fond memories. You've gained another subscriber sir

[@lurker_yt]

@@luciuscincinnatus5019 the older brother thing resonates. I only started playing cause my older brothers uninstalled CoD to make room for it. I cried about it for like a week then tried WoW finally and... well I suppose you can guess I liked it quite a bit 😂

[@luciuscincinnatus5019]

​@@lurker_yt it's awesome you replied. I didn't realize how new your channel is. With the quality of your videos and content you're bound to grow. 😆 yeah I used to bully my bro and call him a nerd for being inside alot and not going outside to play ball or whatever I was doing with my school friends at the time. I remember trying to get him to come with me one day and he got annoyed of me making fun of the game then made me play it. Basically I was telling someone doing crack that it's lame then they told me I'm just not strong enough to do it. Then I did it. Now I'm 2 years sober

[@lurker_yt]

@@luciuscincinnatus5019 stay strong brother 👊 let the vids tide you over. appreciate the compliments! please come back for the next!

[@luciuscincinnatus5019]

@@lurker_yt haha 😄 will do

[@Mg95a]

I remember questing through Tirisfal on my Blood Elf Warlock during the Christmas holidays of 07. It was the Saturday after we broke up from school, I got my Imp on Sunstrider Isle then went straight to Deathknell and the whole zone just felt amazing. I was 12 at the time, so I wanted to play a class shared between Blood Elves and Undead and I was scared of the zone, so I wanted a pet to help me, so Warlock was chosen After playing W3 (and since I only played Belfs and Nelfs) Tirisfal was exactly what I expected, following Sylvanas' take over and the destruction that Arthas had wrought. The Agamand questline was one which stood out the most

[@alaguilar7446]

This series your doing is so great nothing brings me joy like hearing the lore of my first life altering addiction.

[@AlanG58]

Great video! My first character in 05 was an Orc warrior. As soon as I zoned into that Durotar starting area, I immediately disliked the place. It was too bright and not my style at all. So, I decided to leave and look for a different place. I had never played an online game, and my only previous Warcraft experience was Warcraft 2 years before. So, I found the starting zone exit, found the road that led to Razor Hill, said meh to there too and kept going. Spotted the zeppelin tower and by luck picked the one to Tirisfal - not knowing what that was. The zeppelin reaches Tirisfal Glades and immediately I loved it. The atmosphere, ambient music, everything was perfect. I disembarked the zeppelin, went to Brill, noticed I couldn't do much there, so I wandered out, past the cemetery, Cold Hearth Manor, kept going until seeing the entrance to Deathknell, wandered in and thought 'This'll do!' and went from there. As I got to be higher level my hearthstone was set to Brill, then Undercity. Over the years if I made a new character, I'd take them to start in Deathknell when possible. In later expansions they modernized (ruined) Brill and Tirisfal Glades in general, sadly. But back then it sure was great!

[@gabrieladerre2862]

I love Tirisfal Glades! Despite most of my characters being Blood Elves, I leveled roughly half of them in the Forsaken starting areas. Those are the only 2 Racial Starting Zones that I liked l, on the Horde side. And I was always able to get decent looking gear from questing in those areas! Which was a priority back when I played, from WOTLK to MOP. I really want to biy a gaming computer in the near future, so that I can play WoW! Hopefully by the year's end! 😺

[@lurker_yt]

@@gabrieladerre2862 sharing from experience classic runs just fine on a 8gb laptop 😂 but I am wishing you luck getting the machine of your dreams!

[@bowflex113]

Great blend of lore and memorable gameplay. More please!! =)

[@FredMendo]

This was perfect. I just started a troll hunter in SoD and decided to leave my starting zone for Tirisfal Glades. Then i find this video. Great work. Keep it up.

[@lurker_yt]

@@FredMendo it's always hard for me to know whether these videos are being watched by current or former wow players. Maybe some of both. Glad this could accompany you on your tirisfal adventure!

[@artjomraznjak8388]

Amazing video ! Thank you so much!

[@Waggehful]

I just found this channel today, this is amazing content. Great to watch at meal time or in bed. Subbed!

[@maxbonin1133]

Love these videos please keep making more.

[@alexknudsen2759]

Loved this video, I agree with your statement. Tirisfall is so nostalgic for me.

[@sordschie3944]

Great my guy, keep it coming and take care! I love your vids

[@goawaygosh]

“I prefer to pretend that nothing exists after the original trilogy” I’m thinking based, based beyond belief.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Ulduar was peak WoW and Icecrown was the end of the story.

[@lurker_yt]

@@goawaygosh seen nothing good post Wrath and tbh even Wrath was a little too in your face for my taste, but at least we're not a chronicle-level lore proscription in wotlk

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I mean if you wanna go down that road, Vanilla, BC and WOTLK were also a complete downgrade in writing compared to Warcraft 3 and the original books

[@lurker_yt]

@@Ar1AnX1x yes I agree. especially wrath. the overdone cutscenes, over the top quest lines like the battle for UC, and lich king VOs were the beginning of the end

[@warcrimeconnoisseur5238]

Lore wise I agree, after Arthas and Garrosh died I didnt care about the lore anymore however now I only care about gameplay and if that's solid I play it

[@CarrowMind]

The first character I ever got serious with and progressed past level 20 was also an undead warlock. I even remember joining my first guild just outside of the UC entrance. A guy ran up to me with a guild petition, so I signed it, an hour or so later I see above my head. Naturally, being a metalhead and a fan of Pantera myself, the GM and I bonded over our shared interest. It's a moment I'll never forget!

[@lurker_yt]

@@CarrowMind dude good call on the first guild join - that one sent me back. wish I'd thought of that!

[@robinmichel9048]

Brill and the Undercity are my favorite locations in the game. Creepy, spooky perfection. My first character back in 2006 was an Undead rogue that I started just as the Christmas season started. I have such fond memories of Brill with Christmas lights.

[@kataramenoss12]

Man I would really appreciate it if you did one for the barrens. I think it's THE most iconic area for the horde as it has so many memories for all of us with its famous "barrens chat"

[@HYDRAdude]

Captures what really made Vanilla WoW so great.

[@supremeoverload1]

Love the content!!

[@jpg6113]

I was fully immersed into Warcraft 3's campaign so i pretty much had to pick undead to start my WOW journey. I'm happy to have experienced it's Vanilla version

[@tapewormtimothy]

I used to love just exploring this zone

[@scages101]

Vibing in the Brill Inn and deathrolling with the homies is and always will be peak WOW for me & my boys.

[@Fondoor]

Man you reminded me that I was lvl 40 running around Arathi Highlands super excited that I could finally go buy my first mount. New players don’t know the struggle of having to ruuuuuun evvvverywheeeere lol

[@NobushigeAzai]

I stumbled upon this and everything in this analysis made me realize why I prefer Glenumbra as my starting zone in The Elder Scrolls Online. In vanilla played undead rogues and mages. When BC dropped I made a blood elf rogue which I never leveled to max, and a Blood Elf Mage which was my main. Both made trips through Tirisfal, but neither embraced it like my Blood Elf Warrior when Cataclysm dropped. I had him do all of his early leveling in undead zones. So much so that just recently when I played WoW again I went back to the Blood Elf starting zone I still had quests. In fact I'm playing through ghostlands on my warrior now.

[@lurker_yt]

Ghostlands is sick. Don't miss the lament of the highborn thing at the end when you go to UC!

[@NobushigeAzai]

@@lurker_yt thanks for alerting me. I plan on doing the whole zone.

[@metavoid8080]

yay it's back!

[@taylenday]

Thank you for focusing on Vanilla.

[@Knight-of-Sarcasm]

I really liked this zone. In the beginning I admit I created an undead on another person's account, and when I got my Battlechest, I created a BE to be able to play with my husband as his partner. We ran the Ghostlands and then I dead-ran from the gate with dozens of Plagueland deaths because I had to deliver the necklace to Sylvanas! I admit I still get turned around in Undercity despite it being so many years or get caught in the elevator from time to time. Being over there, I saw the zone's ambience and retraced my steps to the start of the undead quest progression and took my young warlock through that entire area's quest chains to Hammerfall when we flipped to Felwood. When Cata dropped I had a good thing and a bad thing--I cried when I flew over the ruins and saw just how detailed and gorgeous they were; flying undercovered a whole different viewpoint on many things that I had only seen from the ground up. Then I saw what they did to the quests, to Brill (hate it still today and especially after BTA), and Silverwood. Some of the new quests are funny, and I was proud to ride beside Sylvanas and hear her story, but it had lost that simple charm that existde for many many years. Thank you for the upload. Subbed and thumbs upped; I'll look for your other videos!

[@lurker_yt]

@@Knight-of-Sarcasm thank you for sharing these memories! I'm glad this video could help evoke them 🙂

[@BreakingTheGleipnir]

This zone always takes me back in nostalgia. I can only second everything youve said in the video. For me, this is the one zone in WoW I can always go back to and enjoy

[@dylanramsey5817]

It's a kill quest, but I always remember helping a woman make a blanket to keep her comfortable in her final moments before she loses her mind to the Lich King again. 😢

[@lurker_yt]

@@dylanramsey5817 the chill of death 🥺

[@donalddank9070]

Nice, make one on stranglethorn vale or duskwood next

[@Jeff-zm2zk]

There was some type of divine intervention making classic WoW ; the game was surreal for its time and is still to this day the real home of many

[@Jeff-zm2zk]

Nothing beats the early 2000s ; I can’t even describe it - it was a whole different universe than today. Hoping to reproduce the Zelda to Warcraft path I took and all the magic within to my son

[@apolloeosphoros4345]

My first character was an Undead Warrior, I started playing in BC, 2007. I think I spent about 30 in game hours or more in Tirisfal lmao, the length of an entire singleplayer game. Still think it has an absolutely unmatched ambience and atmosphere all these years later, although I stopped playing WoW in 2016

[@xhlb69x]

Sometimes I wish I would have been one of the lucky people to have played this game since Vanilla. I bet it was amazing. Sure I can play classic now, but it wouldn't be the same.

[@lurker_yt]

@@xhlb69x it certainly is not, but can sometimes be approximated if you insulate yourself/your friends from the rush. might do a vid on this topic sometime, very interested in it!

[@caesaraugustus3749]

The thing is it's still the best version of world of warcraft. I started at the end of wotlk as a kid. I don't have nostalgia and still think classic is one of the goat video games. So give it a try and just enjoy it for what it is

[@empire0]

It is a great leveling zone, i'm not a big undead fan, much prefer the other 3 Horde races, but it's a lot of fun doing the Tirisfal quests before hopping over to Kalimdor

[@royataylor7797]

another lurker banger

[@yaboityler2617]

Hell yeah brother

[@lurker_yt]

@@yaboityler2617 yoooo big coming from you homie 👊

[@starwarsfan795]

Amazing video, my only two complaints are the music should be a little louder while you speak and I think you spoke a little too fast, like maybe 10%-15% slower would've been the perfect speed to accompany the mood and narrative of the video! I Subscribed, wishing you good luck in the future!

[@lurker_yt]

@@starwarsfan795 appreciate the feedback man! definitely still getting into the groove so this is greatly helpful

[@Ar1AnX1x]

great video

[@ffarkasm]

By far Tirisfal Glades is my favourite Vanilla starting zone. The rest are in order: 2. Teldrassil 3. Mulgore 4. Elwyn Forest 5. Durotar 6. Dun Morogh

[@lurker_yt]

@@ffarkasm thanks for sharing! So interesting to see how these ranks would play out for people. Tied so close to our memories and hard even for me to be objective. But if I was being objective I think I'd put Elwynn top, tirisfal 2nd, dun morogh 3rd (sucker for snow ❄️)

[@audreypulzner8051]

Vanilla Tirisfal is my favorite starting zone

[@wiLdchiLd2k]

What made those thinks so special was that it was the first time you really saw warcrafts world in full 3d, you could enter the buildings, you fought the "creeps" that where on wc3 maps... there is no way to give this back. this feeling was true till the end of wotlk thats the point where as wc3 player you saw everything you wanted to see and wow could just have ended by this time... this is also the time where single player rpgs peaked and started to look, play and feel better than mmos.

[@Alienshroom]

Appreciate the classic era only lore 👍

[@MeSS1516]

nice lore narrating. congrats. suggestion: Subtitles maybe. - keep the good work. Waiting more videos like this.

[@EyeStorrm]

Me, having undead as my first character. Good ol' days. 😢

[@BlondieYouTube]

My first experience was becoming an Undead in WoW. It was such an easy pick. Humans, Dwarves, Elves, Orcs.. sure.. those are options in most games. But becoming a freakin' zombie?!! Count me in!! I think the territory was also much better before Cata, in which it felt the Undead tried to return to their former human lives by living in the ruins of their former kingdom. I remember getting curious and ending up on the Zeppelin in Brill. Then eventually questing in Durotar, and going to the Barrens after.

[@lurker_yt]

@@BlondieKZbin zeppelins are so cool. they give the feeling of an expansive world way more than the trams do. Boats and zeppelins, huge for the sense of adventure in the world.

[@PeterJ.Daniels]

subbed, make more of these

[@thatcanadian6698]

I don't know if this is still the case, but undead warlocks were the only race that could get their imp before hitting level 2. It's been a while since I played WOW so that may have changed. Still I agree with your assessment about the atmosphere and general feel about the area. 16:58 I do disagree about the tavern music. I liked the original music they had before they changed it.

[@lurker_yt]

@@thatcanadian6698 I like it too, but not sure id call it cozy or relaxing 🥲

[@jibbevanneijhof7926]

Do Dun Morogh or loch modan next please! ❤

[@Ilfrinco]

Brilliant hahahah nice one

[@shrikeace]

As an undead only player I've done the starting zone countless times both in OG vanilla and era, when everything was changed with cata it definitely felt like the atmosphere was completely altered and not in a good way.

[@lurker_yt]

@@shrikeace yeah we don't talk about that 😂

[@Knight-of-Sarcasm]

I hate the plague. It's coarse and green and gets everywhere even between the toes...

[@dyslexiela8784]

teldrassil next!!

[@Runningthesteadyrace]

When Cata came along and did the kind of damage it did everywhere especially to the night elves area. Yeah that was a bit too much for me... Pre Cata was the best Golden years of World of Warcraft. I still enjoy the game and I play all types but I just wish it would've went a little different.

[@Hironidin]

My first real character was a mage called Devilsreject... ah the good ol' days.

[@usermarongoany5616]

Welcome-Bear. My beloved. My first expirience on what a 💀?? meant.

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Mine was a Duskwood wolf, but my first Horde character was a Forsaken and I died to the welcome bear (well actually the UC elevator was the first to kill my Horde, but first mob.) I find it funny that those sort of things don't exist in modern WoW with the reason being it might be demoralizing for new players. For me it made me want to visit both Duskwood and WPL after I leveled up enough.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I hope you go deeper into retrospective/analysis style videos, for some reason this genre is rare in World of Warcraft youtube when other games like Elden Ring has lots of them, unless I've never ran into them on youtube or something

[@lurker_yt]

@@Ar1AnX1x It's probably because WoW is very simple story wise. There's not much analysis to be done for the old game, and what analysis was left they just explained away in Chronicle. But yeah that's why I kinda thought this lore/game design/nostalgia format might work, and people seem to enjoy it. I enjoy making them for sure!

[@Ar1AnX1x]

@@lurker_yt yeah, this video kinda made me go "wait, why is this the first time I've watched someone actually analyze a WoW zone in a non-shallow way" or like a more thoughtful way, good job

[@RobotScrambler]

I wish the entire game had the tone of Tirisfal Glades . ☠💀☠

[@eduardogonzalez5348]

almost made me install wow classic again, almost.

[@lurker_yt]

@@eduardogonzalez5348 I honestly don't even play usually 🥲 but when I do I prefer hardcore cause it slows the pace down and lets you appreciate these things.

[@steve81937]

Vanilla Tirisfal Glades was so much better before they turned it into a disney park in Cata.

[@georgebailey7256]

Cozy until u go back and play and realize how fucking dull it is leveling up there

[@steve81937]

Still better than questing in retail.

[@099Nitro]

It's sad that you are a Classic purist. The game exists beyond wotlk and Arthas fans

[@lurker_yt]

@@099Nitro to each their own! I know there has been some interesting stuff in modern but I really don't prefer the writing style/grand narratives generally.

[@vic.olofrost]

I hate Sylvanas so much.