Remington Core Lokt: 220 grain vs. 180 grain in 30.06

[@robertgehringer6162]

Remington Coe Loks Deadliest mushroom in the woods HANDS DOWN !!!

[@o5245607]

Enjoyed your video and choice of bullet weights for this test. Interesting how the old technology Core-Lokts (1939) mushroom better than most high tech bullets with all the 'bells and whistles' of today. With it's tangent ogive they are a shorter distance round and the accuracy may not be par with new ammo, BUT, they are a great game getter at realistic hunting ranges. Thank you.

[@armus6748]

Thank you for watching and sharing!

[@F15ElectricEagle]

This is why I settled on and have been using SP bullets in the 200 grain weight as the standard hunting round for larger games for my rifles in the 30-06. The 200 grain split the difference from the 180 grain and 220 grain rounds and has most of the benefits of both other rounds.

[@armus6748]

@@F15ElectricEagle Makes sense, thank you for sharing.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Very good comparison and conclusion. Agree! Many thanks.

[@paulhomsy2751]

Great test !! The results prove that mass is crucial in penetration. The 220 grains Core Lokt expanded in a perfect mushroom, excellent performance for larger game. That load in particular is very popular in Alaska with many hunters who use a 30-06 which is an outstanding cartridge if one isn't interested to make shots reaching another zip code. The old 06 is a superb cartridge. The 180 grains also expanded very well, it would have been interesting had you weighed them to see their individual weight retention. Very good video !!

[@easttexan2933]

I disagree with your assessment that the 180gr hits harder. The advantage of the 180gr is extended ranges (past 300yds). Inside 300yds, if I were moose, elk, or bear hunting, I would prefer the 220gr.

[@armus6748]

You’re right about the extended range, but I meant it hits hard at our testing range of 50 yards. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing and commenting!

[@denverwhittal9637]

Thank you , I enjoyed the comparison.

[@oncall21]

On another point that trigger is excellent!

[@firstjohn3123]

Nice comparison. Shows why African guides liked the 220gr/high sectional density bullets more!

[@patrickkinney4998]

My dad came back from WW2 a 30-06 fan. As a child I watched my dad reload those rounds with 220 grain rn bullets. But we had a lot of good cartridges. My older brother took down a 10 point Roosevelt elk at 25 yards with one shot from a 200 grain 35 Remington. Nowadays you're told you need an Uber magnum. I'll go into the woods with a 30-30 any day. In fact, that 30-30 brought down a 4 and 8 point buck for me not so long ago.

[@armus6748]

I believe it! Thank you for sharing and commenting.

[@chadwallace3598]

Who says you need an “Uber magnum”? The most common way of thinking is to make sure and have enough bullet to get the job done without wounding or inhumanely killing. Not the ones that barely get the job done.

[@lurebenson7722]

@@chadwallace3598 With 98% of video comments coming from KZbin groupie parrot mouth talkers that never in their life ever touched a real gun look closely at these BS posted messages and ask yourself would an adult post cartoon images for their channel image? or collet child & immature woke - gay millennials video content? Would experience hunter write such BS nonsense? These ass wipes have just enough junk collected from swarming KZbin gun & ammo videos to fabricate total nonsense comments that somehow make them self-feel-good telling BS lies. I live in the Pacific NW and hunt Roosevelt Elk they aren't some weak white tail deer, and it is a rare day to come across hunters here that use deer guns like the 308 or 30-06 here. The last Roosevelt Elk I shot was with a 7 mm Rem mag shooting 175 grain old original Bronze & Zink alloy Nosler Partition/ the Elk was 100 feet from me so I plugged in the heart and still stayed on its feet, so I waited and watch, the Elk just stood there, I waited and waited with the Elk just standing there mortally wounded so I had enough the made a brain shot. At 100 feet you would think a 7 mm Rem mag would make a pass through but the 7mm 175 grain bullet was found under the far side of the Elk under the shoulder blade. The idea more gun is far better than a smaller gun is always better to fallow that rule. I am now 63 with been on Roosevelt Elk hunts since a small boy fallowing along with my father and all the elk I've seen the family shoot these Elk aren't some weak animals! Look at the content of PatrickKinney4998s comment, it is full of Easterners BS like calling 10 points? we on the west coast don't count both sides of horns or 10 point? good luck seeing Elk that larger or talking of a 35 Remington that is an east coast well known cartridge and rarely to see on the west coast.

[@stepabove2136]

That's the first 220gr gel test I've seen been a fan of the 220gr for most hunting ranges it will work fine with extra penatration for big critters

[@armus6748]

Thank you for commenting and sharing.

[@Jeff-sl8xz]

220 grn will do well on moose and big bear 180 is good for elk 150and 165 for deer and pronghorns

[@richardkut3976]

Nice demo, thanks.

[@robertsansone1680]

Very interesting. Thank You. If I remember my ballistics charts correctly, a 200 grain bullet fired from a 30-06 has the highest energy.

[@ryantogo8359]

wow, very well done video! I'm not easy to impress but this video did that. Kudos!

[@armus6748]

Thank you, much appreciated.

[@moneyx3232]

Nice job sir! Thank you!

[@armus6748]

Thank you for the comment and the kind words.

[@larrysayers1377]

Great video. Haven’t seen one like this for some time now. Good work. I hunt with the 06 here in western Canada and I use the 220 mostly for grizzly defence in camp but also for close quarter work on moose and elk in thick bush. It is a given the 220 was going to out penetrate the 180 because of its very high sectional density. BC is good to know for retaining some down range energy but sectional density combined with bullet construction will give you a better idea of penetration power.

[@armus6748]

Thank you for sharing, happy hunting!!

[@cory8791]

Great vid! I think that testing at a more realistic hunting distance is better but still great results! Nice rifle!

[@armus6748]

Thank you, feedback much appreciated.

[@timdaniels7827]

Thank you for this video

[@johnnorman7708]

Had to come back and look at the mushroom that 220 made. That is such a text book classic.

[@armus6748]

Great round, did better than I expected. I’ll be testing it against the 280 Rem 165 gr. round nose, another heavy weight in it’s class. Thanks for watching!

[@johnnorman7708]

@@armus6748 I just looked up the specs on the .280 Rem 165s. That thing is almost identical to .30-06 165s and .270 Win. 150s at the muzzle. That load should make for a powerful moderate range heavy game load. Some loads just have bear written all over them.

[@oncall21]

@@johnnorman7708 the 280AI is just more of a good thing.

[@johnnorman7708]

@@oncall21 As much talk as I hear about .280 AI, I'm surprised it hasn't become a legit factory loaded cartridge. Sounds like it has enough gain over .280 Rem to really threaten Remington's 7mm Mag. Although practicality in cartridge development, sales, and popularity don't usually make complete sense to me. There are cartridges carrying time honored classic status that are very good and being ignored these days. I'm too practical to invest heavily into any rifle or cartridge that isn't common as dirt. Over the course of the ammo crisis, I have even seen that no guarantee of ammo and component avalibility.

[@lz3572]

Looks like both expanded and held together great . I think for longer ranges 150 - 250 + yards on elk and moose I would use the 180 gr But for bears at shorter ranges 150 in I’d use the 220 gr. Just my opinion. Cheers

[@armus6748]

Makes perfect sense, thank you for sharing.

[@larrysledgejr1423]

great content, new subscriber to this channel

[@armus6748]

Thank you for the kind words, and welcome to our channel, a 10mm video on the way.

[@tomcarvelli6464]

I used a 30-06 to shoot some, 5 each, 180 and 220 gr. bullets thru some brush at 9 inch paper plates. Surprisingly the 180 did much better than the 220. Some of the 220 bullets tumbled. None of the 180 bullets tumbled. All bullets hit the plate but the 180s had a better group than the 220s. I also shot a 270 with 130 gr. bullets. Only two out of 5 hit the plate and they were going sideways(keyholded) when they hit the very edge of the plate. 150 gr. 30 cal. bullets all hit the plate but some were tumbling. All bullets were deflected by the brush to some degree. Some had already started to expand when they hit the plates. I can tell you from experience that if a 180 hits brush and starts to expand before hitting a whitetail deer it blows a huge hole in the deer.

[@armus6748]

Thank you for sharing and commenting! Great information for our hunters.

[@trap-shoot]

Love from India

[@johnnorman7708]

Back here again hoping to see more tests. I wish I could buy some 220 Core-Lokt for loading. I would like to see 200 grain round nose .308 diameter bullets available but I don't know of any being made by any bullet maker. The Speer Hot Cor Spitzer and the Nosler Partition in 200 grain are all that come to mind. Federal does or did have a 200 grain factory load but I forget which bullet it was loaded with. Actually a test of 200 grain .30-06 would be very interesting.

[@armus6748]

I am currently working on the 270 win. vs. the 6.5 Creedmoor but I’ll keep an eye out for a 200 grain in 30.06. I hope we start to see these heavy bullet weights in production again, more videos on the way.

[@johnnorman7708]

@@armus6748 I am interested in anything involving .270 Winchester. More often than not the old .270 still struts it's stuff. I get a lot of entertainment out of seeing classics hold their own against new whizbangs no matter how good the new ones are. As for .270 Winchester; I think it's poised for a real improvement with the new fast twist barrels and heavier bullets. Sure isn't anything wrong with the bore size. 6.8/.277 is a pretty decent position to occupy for a cartridge really.

[@garyrhodes5403]

How about comparing both bullet weights in the same bullet configuration

[@fedup3582]

Good video. You should do another now, comparing the 220 gr core-lokt to a 180 gr barnes TTSX. A third test cold be the 220 gr core-lokt vs the 175 gr federal terminal ascent.

[@armus6748]

I was actually thinking of comparing the terminal ascent to the trophy bonded tip and the Remington Core Lokt 180gr sp to the 180gr psp. Thank you for the ideas, more videos on the way!

[@johnnorman7708]

I saw some gel test with 170 grain .30-30. The expanded bullets had similar qualities to the 220 here in your tests. Penetration in gel for .30-30 bullets tends to mimic the .30-06 for depth despite being lighter and slower. Funny how that works. It's also funny how well .30-30 and .30-06 work on game animals despite their century plus status. But to be fair, both are using well refined bullets with newer design technology.

[@armus6748]

Two venerable rounds that have withstood the test of time.

[@tyler1671]

Uhhhh 30 30 =200yds 06 = 900yds..

[@johnnorman7708]

@@tyler1671 .30-30 is a 200 yard hunting cartridge. .30-06 is a 400 yard hunting cartridge. 900 yards is not a hunting range. Its a target shooting range.

[@tyler1671]

@@johnnorman7708 uhhh not sure what yoy shoot at but manyyy people take a 06 out to 800 hunting elk. Lmao

[@tyler1671]

@@johnnorman7708 And yeah just ask the anime to get a little bit closer.... Since that isn't a hunting range lol dudes have capped other dudes a half mile away with a model 70 in 06 ya half wit

[@JuniorWarrior4Christ]

I like the the 220 gr. better for dangerous game. It hits plenty hard for Me!

[@terryfowler6090]

Remington 760 with rem 180 round nose will flatten anything it hits.

[@workct4102]

Core-Lokt are hard to beat....

[@rogeralaniz2205]

You should use two deferent jell blocks for testing on each round it is tore up from the first round No resistence

[@armus6748]

Good idea, I recently bought a new one but I need one more so that we can get the 32 inches. Thank you for sharing!

[@bushleague3472]

One variable in your testing is that the 220 is a RN, while the 180 is an SP. Remington shows the RN bullets as having a thicker core than the SP bullets. I've dug quite a few of both the RN and SP Corelokts out of moose and elk, in my highly unscientific observations the RN bullets do get better penetration, and possibly impart more shock on impact (just watching deer go down, it seems like that blunt point smacks them hard).

[@armus6748]

Thank you for sharing and commenting!

[@kerrypurcell6022]

you sold me on the 220,,its overlooked for hunting,,,how about a test on the 6.5 creedmoor compared to the 25-06 or 270,,,,,lots of hype on the 6.5 but is it true ?

[@armus6748]

Maybe 6.5 creedmoor vs. 280 Remington. I have a video soon to be published 280 Rem: 165 gr vs 150 gr. Thanks for idea and commenting. Happy hunting!

[@johnnorman7708]

@@armus6748 I'm looking forward to that .280 test. That cartridge deserves equal billing to .270, and deserves to be outselling the 7mm Rem Mag 2 or 3 to 1 in 2022 yet. It's that good.

[@Shaggy_Rogers0001]

The 180 grain 30-06 loads are gonna achieve greater muzzle energy than the 220 grain loads on average.

[@armus6748]

True, 180s are a good balance of power and velocity. Thank you for sharing.

[@patrickpatrick9132]

I’ve never shot 220gr. I’m going moose hunting summer 2023 and plan on trying this

[@armus6748]

Thanks for sharing and good luck on your moose hunt!

[@johnnorman7708]

I wish you had tested the 180 grain round nose Core-Lokt. Would have been a closer apples to apples test. I've heard for years the pointed Core-Lokt bullet was not built as tough and expanded faster than the round nose version. The velocity alone could cause the faster expansion.

[@armus6748]

I think you may be right about the round nose 180 grain, I’ll try to find a box or two and compare them to the 220 grain. The problem is that those particular rounds seem to be elusive, but I’ll try my best to find some. Thanks for sharing and commenting.

[@johnnorman7708]

@@armus6748 The 180 grain Core-Lokt has an enviable performance record on big game out to 200 yards. That is pretty much within the normal distance most of us actually see something to shoot. The 220 and the 180 sure do make some picture perfect mushrooms. I'd love to see your test and comparison here.

[@armus6748]

@@johnnorman7708 I’ll keep and eye out for the 180 grain round nose; hopefully, they’ll be available soon.

[@robertgehringer6162]

180 grain Core Lok round nose DEFINITELY BETTER than the 180 grain PSP for thick hide heavy boned big game

[@johnnorman7708]

@@robertgehringer6162 Word on the street says Remington tweaked the 180 pointed soft point 20+ years ago. They got lured over to the softer side, while the round nose didn't change. I think that it has been proven that people used tougher bullets on deer and bitched about poor expansion, so bullets that worked great on bear, elk, moose hogs, etc. got softer. More deer shot in an opening weekend than a whole season of the big boys, so it solved the complaints somewhat. The biggest percentage of squeaking wheels got the WD40.

[@stepabove2136]

220gr are perfect for my 1895 lever action winchester 😮

[@armus6748]

Awesome ammunition, just bought two more boxes. Happy hunting!

[@charleshuyck6641]

at 100 yards see Mason Leather the 180 PSP does 27.1 inches and is good too 400 yards. I used 180 round nose and PSP in one of my rifles it likes them but the RN has a 250 yd limit.

[@armus6748]

I’ll definitely watch, thank you for sharing!

[@clydeprovost8967]

How old are those bullets @$19.99😂

[@dannyprovolone1608]

I hate that after a few seasons of fclass all triggers feel bad to me

[@montyherren26]

I've heard people that only hunt with the 220 gr. and now I know why.

[@armus6748]

Thank you for sharing and commenting!

[@Mark-qq7io]

Barnes used to make a 250

[@armus6748]

Wow, that is a heavy weight!

[@michaelhollier]

Did the 220 kick more ??

[@armus6748]

They actually felt about the same, virtually no discernible differences. Thank you for commenting!

[@beestoe993]

Yep, the 220 gn will penetrate excellent up close, but at range the 180 will surpass it.

[@Mark-qq7io]

Invest in a muzzle brake you'll enjoy it

[@armus6748]

I do need one, thank you for sharing!

[@johnnystidom7787]

Can you please redo this test using a 180 soft point not the pointed soft point please? It would be a better test I think.

[@armus6748]

I will try to find the 180 grain soft point but I haven’t seen it locally. If I can find it online, I will definitely redo the test for you. Thank you for watching and commenting!

[@johnnystidom7787]

I love them that's all I deer hunt with here in Georgia.

[@ernest9606]

220 grain is what I load my rifel with when it comes to dangerous animals. Never know what's going to come out of the woods with a hunger belly

[@armus6748]

Exactly, thank you for sharing and happy hunting.

[@johnpoole8321]

both pack a whack @ 50.

[@eugenegress5896]

Always Enjoy The Core Lokt Tests. The Engineers just got it Right 70 yrs ago, BUT....Its a shame, you can't get them for Reloading anymore. Since there is no Patent on Them, and Remington Refuses to make them available, they should be copied to exact specs, and Give their verson a different Name obviously. Hornady Interlock, is not anything, in shape , consistency, and holding together, like the Classic Core Lokt. Its not Rocket Science, dealing with Lead hardness alloy, and same for jacket Material.

[@armus6748]

Great bullet, thank you for sharing.

[@theowenssailingdiary5239]

You pulled the trigger from too low-giving you a lower reading.

[@armus6748]

Could be, the trigger is narrow and very slick. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@danieldevault716]

Your testing might be fraud: you shot the 220 into same block you fired 180 grain into. The gel block might. Have been weakened after the 180 gr was fired first

[@armus6748]

I’ve used the 180 grain in another ballistics test and the results are consistent, but thank you for sharing another perspective.

[@wallacejeffery5786]

Crappy bullets.