Remodeling a Kitchen A-Z - Part 3: DOUBLE BEAM INSTALLATION

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Stud Pack

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@BubbasDad
@BubbasDad 4 жыл бұрын
I'm retired now, but spent 15 years as a general contractor and then 20 years as an inspector. Your techniques and attention to detail are great. Good work.
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks James! Much appreciated
@josephjones1455
@josephjones1455 3 жыл бұрын
The work is fantastic but the father and Son relationship is even better...I'm just seeing this for the first time. God bless you both. 👍😀.
@aay23yoly
@aay23yoly 4 жыл бұрын
You have a great teacher bro ! Take care of the old man 👍
@dirkg7062
@dirkg7062 3 жыл бұрын
Father and son! Love this! Reminds me of my father and I back in the day.
@alonzofarmer3994
@alonzofarmer3994 3 жыл бұрын
There's nothing like loving what you do for a living!!! Almost like it's not even work!!!
@stevehickson1812
@stevehickson1812 3 ай бұрын
Really enjoy Paul’s approach. Methodical. Doesn’t get too far ahead of himself, always identifying the best plan for each piece of the project and making it look easy! It’s helped me with my own home projects. Just take a breath, step back and execute your plan.
@JCC56
@JCC56 3 жыл бұрын
Great attention to detail, especially installing joist hangers flush to prevent bow in sheetrock install to ceiling. Lots of hard work that you guys handle with good planning.
@DescartesRenegade
@DescartesRenegade 4 жыл бұрын
At first, I was like "eh, just another lvl install." Then I saw that planer trick to get rid of bumps in the ceiling... Love the content!!
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
That is a cool trick, thanks Ben!
@munkhbatamarsanaa6776
@munkhbatamarsanaa6776 3 жыл бұрын
Hhuhb Jan k
@Danielg86
@Danielg86 3 жыл бұрын
That's clutch. If only I'd seen this 2 months ago. I just installed a PSL to remove a wall dividing my kitchen and living room
@kyottte7774
@kyottte7774 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice trick! Another if you don’t have a planer is set the joist 1/16 up from bottom of beam to accommodate for the height difference in the joist hanger.
@bradley3549
@bradley3549 2 жыл бұрын
Trim Router makes short work of that as well, and a little less clumsy than the planer, IMO.
@mikehawk1118
@mikehawk1118 2 жыл бұрын
This kid is lucky to have you teaching him the ropes. Having been to college I guarantee he is learning more than I did. Good work y'all.
@treeguyable
@treeguyable 3 жыл бұрын
I am not even close to being a carpenter, but when redoing my house, I did meticulous stuff, like flushing the rafter , for the hangers for good drywall fit. I didn't know how to do things " the standard way", so I just did stuff, that would make the next steps easier.
@1packatak
@1packatak 3 жыл бұрын
I love seeing a contractor taking real pride in his work. Doing everything “by the book” including using an engineer to design the ceiling beams. Love watching you guys work.
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Thx Pat 👍👍👍
@chrisloesch1870
@chrisloesch1870 3 жыл бұрын
There are also building code charts for dead and live loads too that one can look at if they can’t afford the engineering fee
@ResponsiblePledge
@ResponsiblePledge Жыл бұрын
This dad is awesome! I wish I had a role model like this guy. Well done team.
@MsSherrydarling
@MsSherrydarling 4 жыл бұрын
Great job so far and I love how you clean as you go!! So much safer for everyone and makes for a great space to work in!
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sherry!!
@chuckmaceachern9467
@chuckmaceachern9467 Жыл бұрын
Great example of workmanship and mentorship!
@joemazariegos2322
@joemazariegos2322 3 жыл бұрын
You guys ROCK!!! Seriously best framing channel I have seen in a long time!! I am an architect in Ca and I am loving the amount of detail you put into your project. You dont waste our time with unrelated giberish, but yet you do go over some awesome pointers!! I love the tip about cutting the CJ's at an angle so they don't pinch your blade and they drop off as you cut! Now, that's experience right there!! Keep up the great work you and don't change a thing!! Excellent!!
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated Joe 👍💪
@rharrison6242
@rharrison6242 3 жыл бұрын
I love the informational value of your videos! But what I like more than that is watching the great relationship between you two and watching you enjoy your priceless time together. Something I never got to experience with my own father due to him passing away when I was a teen. Keep up the great work guys! And thanks for sharing.
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated thx 👍💪
@brandiminor1632
@brandiminor1632 Жыл бұрын
This young man is getting hella good knowledge and experience. Thanks for sharing it with us.
@trevormckee8701
@trevormckee8701 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos guys!! Very informative, good pace, and good vibes! Thank you!
@StudPack
@StudPack 2 жыл бұрын
Thx Trevor 👊👍
@jasonmeilleur2069
@jasonmeilleur2069 3 жыл бұрын
Details perfect thats what you have to think about for finding. Thanks .guys I do renos. All about the finished work at the end 🙌
@flubber27100
@flubber27100 3 жыл бұрын
loved the trick with the joist hangers. they were such a pain as they always always made a ugly bump. great idea. Also like the way you keep cleaning up around yourself. (I do the same). A clean site is a tidy profitable safe site. Great job.
@froylansilva6573
@froylansilva6573 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are awesome, been a This old house fan all my life and you guys are a modern day this old house type show! Keep up the great work and best of luck on all your projects.
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Me too, seen every season. Kevin O'Connor has my dream job:) Thanks for the support!!
@levelseven9841
@levelseven9841 3 жыл бұрын
The screw trick works good for making beams/joist flush. If you want it flush on the bottom, Put a screw in the higher joist/beam and use a hammer or prybar to pull it flush. If you want it flush on top. Put a screw in the lower one and pull up. You get it. But your load might have been to heavy. Works great for framing
@eryan9250
@eryan9250 3 жыл бұрын
This is cool. Father and son duo getting it done...lol...Pass on the knowledge. I am a software engineer and so want to learn a few trades and do some construction. We need to keep this knowledge alive and well!!!
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Thx 👊💪
@bigscout1584
@bigscout1584 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making these videos. I love the tech tip on the hangers and all
@gregmontijo1257
@gregmontijo1257 3 жыл бұрын
I like the dynamic between the father and son. I also like how informative these videos can be. My only gripe here is that second beam directly above the window. I’ve been told that is a BIG no-no.
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Thx Greg 👊. Yeah we made sure to run that by the structural engineer after we discovered the issue 👍
@johnphillipsplumbing7728
@johnphillipsplumbing7728 3 жыл бұрын
Great job! I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU USE TOOLS WITH CHORDS. I'm the same way,cordless drill, the the rest corded 👍
@eddieb9102
@eddieb9102 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job 👏 You two work well together...and I love how you explain things clearly
@boodybandit
@boodybandit Жыл бұрын
You guys are top notch. I always enjoy contracting videos but usually am fast forwarding thru them. I watch yours all the way thru. Im building a pool house currently yet here I am watching you guys install beams
@StudPack
@StudPack Жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@joe800096
@joe800096 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are all right, love the attention to detail it makes all the difference
@drewbierlein2782
@drewbierlein2782 3 жыл бұрын
Watched all your recent stuff so I'm going back to the older videos. Funny to see you working without all the modern/new tools in the recent videos. For example, no laser level! You guys have really come a long way in the last year and a half, both in tools/skills as well as video personality.
@alanaz4265
@alanaz4265 2 жыл бұрын
And how much better the audio is in the newer videos with the use of mics.
@weekendhomeprojects
@weekendhomeprojects Жыл бұрын
That Porter Cable circular saw is a legend!
@porthos9502
@porthos9502 Жыл бұрын
Hay it was great to bump into you today. I hope you enjoyed your lunch. This is the first video I saw of yours and have been watching ever since. Welcome to Texas again.
@cwitham69
@cwitham69 3 жыл бұрын
Crazy luv to ya'll! Jordan is one 'fortunate son' ! What a great team.
@drewcama5481
@drewcama5481 3 жыл бұрын
I don't do this type of construction but I'm learning some nice tricks: bottle jack. speed square and clamp, palm driver, plaining the joist for the hangers, cutting an angle so your saw blade doesn't pinch, probably a few more things as well.
@AC.Prince
@AC.Prince 3 жыл бұрын
Great job, I haven't seen cabinets blocking in years , the new framers just don't think about it.
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@zachrawlings6523
@zachrawlings6523 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear your reference to an engineer, good looking out, And looking good!
@nicolesmith9359
@nicolesmith9359 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to you I was able to put up my drywall up yesterday your videos are awesome👌
@fillowtree5505
@fillowtree5505 4 жыл бұрын
Been binge watching since I found this channel. Great content and presentation.
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@bryonreed2826
@bryonreed2826 3 жыл бұрын
You aren't the only one!!!
@jesuscortez2941
@jesuscortez2941 Жыл бұрын
thank you for the tip of using the 2x4 to push down that in place on the metal hangers 😃👍🏻
@TheBudliner
@TheBudliner 3 жыл бұрын
A nice trick is to spray the chalked line with hair spray keeps it from getting wiped off
@nealhead7673
@nealhead7673 3 жыл бұрын
girls use hair spray men only use clear coat on concrete slabs....lol
@Re5ist_ance
@Re5ist_ance 4 жыл бұрын
Found your KZbin channel recently - been going back and watching it from the beginning. Let me say that i really enjoy your videos .. keep them coming - definitely subscribed. This is what i used to watch HGTV build shows for in the past, until they started focusing more on the "builder celebrities" and not the actual work itself. Love how you give tips and tricks and actually show the work itself. Keep up the good work guys.
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks traveler. We appreciate that. Same here re: HGTV
@john.french
@john.french 3 жыл бұрын
7:24 KZbin channel name info. Always wondered about that! Good planer tips to save future drywall work!
@angelarciniega7294
@angelarciniega7294 Жыл бұрын
I wish I can work with this master . So I can learn how to get to “ perfection “
@davidrobins4025
@davidrobins4025 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are doing a great job - you've tucked in some slick tips. Thanks
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Thx David and thx for all your comments 👍👍
@Tkm112093evadell
@Tkm112093evadell 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this channel! But it has made me realize that starting a KZbin channel about the same work my brother and I do wouldn’t be in our best interests for time sake. We do the exact same things, with methods so air tight that we don’t even have to explain anything to each other anymore. If we were to start filming and explaining what’s happening, we’d drop productivity substantially. With a two man crew, we benefit like crazy over getting it done quickly. If we had a videographer it might work but definitely not at the moment. Keep doing great work guys!
@joshcowart2446
@joshcowart2446 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a plumber by trade but I grew up with a builder who like y’all did everything on the houses he built besides electrical, plumbing, and sometimes painting. I’ve also done some electrical work and other stuff. Out of all that, I can honestly say I’ve never seen a right angle drill used to drive a screw. But hey if it works right. It especially makes sense with those big torx head structural screws. Stripping isn’t an issue and those drills have all the torque you’ll ever need for a screw or bolt
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Yep and no dead batteries 👍👊
@joshcowart2446
@joshcowart2446 3 жыл бұрын
@@StudPack funny thing about that, I think I’m the only guy at our company who still has corded tools. I have plenty of battery tools but if I’m getting a cord out anyway why not plug something in that you never have to change a battery. I told a helper to put a couple drywall screws into wood. He wasted more time looking for the impact than he’d have taken just screwing them in. I finally said just use a screwdriver. He replied “you can actually drive screws with a screwdriver”. I made some smart ass remark about the fact that it’s called a screwdriver. Anyway I explained to him that when I started we put lots of screws in by hand because it was faster than getting out a drill and running a cord just to put a few small wood screws in. They just don’t know how good they have it.
@richardcranium5518
@richardcranium5518 4 жыл бұрын
New sub here... y'all do good common sense construction... loved it
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome and thanks Richard!
@ResponsiblePledge
@ResponsiblePledge Жыл бұрын
Question: I would have liquid nailed those three 2x14 beams together and put them up a single unit, can I ask why you choose to install them individually? Gluing, clamping and shooting nails seems easier on the ground, though more difficult to put in place (understandably) so I would love to hear your reasoning to help me in the future.
@mini_worx
@mini_worx 3 жыл бұрын
Question, is the header for the window and that wall strong enough to carry the weight? Seems like that should had been beefed up or the window removed completely and relocated.
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
We discussed it during the engineers first visit. It was fine according to his calculations but it’s a good point to remember 👍
@flowerstone
@flowerstone 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t see where you talked about keeping the crown in the boards up. Using liquid nails in between the boards too but you would have to clamp.
@sudongyue
@sudongyue 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I enjoy watching it like watching TV series.
@Cheez1979
@Cheez1979 3 жыл бұрын
Dude you guys are awesome.. you’ve taught me a lot.
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Cool thx 👍👊
@zachpierret1919
@zachpierret1919 6 ай бұрын
Great video. Just curious about the lvl beam ending over a window opening? Did that not require a post support under it?
@truesoldier27
@truesoldier27 3 жыл бұрын
Action packed video. Lots of content in this and it's great to see the transformation all at once with all of the steps in between. Keep up the great work guys!
@gmeister03
@gmeister03 2 жыл бұрын
Wish my dad was this calm when teaching
@SIE44TAR
@SIE44TAR 3 ай бұрын
8:40 The taper on the end of the beam looks like it exceeds the maximum as stated in R802.7.1.2.
@anonymousanonymous2081
@anonymousanonymous2081 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining step by step
@stephendee7839
@stephendee7839 3 жыл бұрын
The engineer called out the nail pattern as staggered, but you nailed them in aligned.
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Each row of nails is in a line but rows are staggered in relationship to each other. We go into more nailing details in our more recent beam install video 👍
@QuadTAZ
@QuadTAZ Жыл бұрын
Why did you use 3 2 x 12 for one beam and lvls for the other?
@tdoublee8051
@tdoublee8051 2 ай бұрын
Is this the only time this question is asked? WTF. I’ll keep reading
@dbrocksit
@dbrocksit 4 жыл бұрын
Loving the simple tool tips. Great stuff.
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@n.d.4192
@n.d.4192 3 жыл бұрын
Great professional work guys.
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Thx Neil 👍👊
@WeSixKings
@WeSixKings 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid and excellent work. And don't you just love a palm nailer 👍🏼
@MannyScoot
@MannyScoot 3 жыл бұрын
Those stud packs supports are similar to California corners for support and save cost on framing members ?
@msfatts7162
@msfatts7162 3 жыл бұрын
I love the explanation of the process thank you for that
@InexplicableBill
@InexplicableBill 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I found your page guys. Nice work. I do have a couple comments though. I'm surprised you don't have dust containment walls us, considering that homeowner hasn't covered their furniture in the adjacent rooms. Also, a window fan (blowing out) would help vacate the airborn dust you're making. And that shop vac you've got sitting there is the absolute best means for capturing demo dust vs all that sweeping, which churns dust into the air. Finally, that triple header you installed wants a triple stud pack. Come on guys, it's in your name. :)
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
We did some dust containment and used fans. Check out the conduit in slab video this series. Engineer specified two studs 🤔
@themanthelegend7048
@themanthelegend7048 Жыл бұрын
I have a half basement half slab. The beam is 3 2x10 with plywood in between. It spans 15'. Is this safe? Or should it have supports.
@bwrick21
@bwrick21 Жыл бұрын
How do you connect a 10Wx39 steel i-beam to a 3- 2x8s column? I would add blocking to the web and through bolt it (4x). But how do you connect the block part to the 3 - 2x8 columns? I cant find anything from Simpson. Note: 2x8s are on a sill plate and the three board will be head locked together.
@classicalmusic2425
@classicalmusic2425 Жыл бұрын
Is the bevel cut at the end of the joist to fit the low height per engineer drawing? Usually, that cut should not extend as much as the video shows for some LVLs. Maybe your LVL manufacturer allows it?!
@scflooring8658
@scflooring8658 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your videos guys keep them coming great work!!
@flowerstone
@flowerstone 2 жыл бұрын
Was there a reason not to run screws through the first LVL into the ends of the ceiling joists?
@dane9175
@dane9175 4 жыл бұрын
Who needs a 77 When you have a Porter cable 6 in. love my little Porter cable. You can work overhead all day with one.
@717UT
@717UT 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'd gladly take a lefty sidewinder. The rear handles are great for most framing, but they're too dang heavy for work like that. Makes me glad for the small battery circ saws on the market now.
@QuadTAZ
@QuadTAZ Жыл бұрын
How does cutting the angle to clear the roof not weaken the beam? Isn't the part of the beam that makes contact with the top plate transferring all the weight?
@jonathanortega1621
@jonathanortega1621 3 жыл бұрын
I may have missed it, Why is the first beam 3 pieces of 2x12 studs, and the 2nd beam only 2 pieces?
@Bluuplanet
@Bluuplanet 4 жыл бұрын
"...and the whole wall moved." Maybe, that's all you really needed. Angled temp studs wouldn't push the ceiling joists up quite as high.
@FriscoBossFriscoBoss
@FriscoBossFriscoBoss 4 жыл бұрын
Best duo out there great job yall
@brunorios7223
@brunorios7223 3 жыл бұрын
I watched this and find it good work and information but with the second beam why not add construction adhesive where rafter out and beam touches and supports roof sheeting.
@daveallan3152
@daveallan3152 Жыл бұрын
Great content! Enjoyable!
@diggingintolife3466
@diggingintolife3466 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Always cleanup a good idea. Not worth tripping with a blade spinning or rolling an ankle.
@nrehberg
@nrehberg 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip on how not to pinch the saw blade
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
No problem 👍
@OGCJ10
@OGCJ10 2 жыл бұрын
How can I determine if a partial wall is load bearing or not ? I would like to remove this wall that separates the living and kitchen ...
@adrianrobles23
@adrianrobles23 4 жыл бұрын
Great job. Only thing I noticed was you only had two studs underneath the 3-ply beam. If I’m not mistaken, you’re supposed to have a stud for every ply.
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Adrian! The engineer specified 2 studs under that beam. Perhaps in different parts of the country the specs would be different?
@adrianrobles23
@adrianrobles23 4 жыл бұрын
@@StudPack Yeah possibly. Majority of my work is in Texas. To resist shear, a stud goes under under ply.
@thelouiebrand
@thelouiebrand 8 ай бұрын
You’re a bad ass man. I fricken love your channel!
@ironqqq
@ironqqq 3 жыл бұрын
13:39 you don't want to do that. The load transfer from the joist to the beam is now reversed. Instead of the joist pushing down on the beam (through the joist hanger and toe nails), the joist is now pushing upwards on the beam. If you cut the toe nail, the joist will lift off joist hangar. A free body diagram of the joist will show the reaction loads.
@robertshriver8392
@robertshriver8392 3 жыл бұрын
Just wondering, I know that the one end of the beam is on the outside wall but is the other end on a bearing wall?
@Haida_Art_Jordon_S
@Haida_Art_Jordon_S 4 жыл бұрын
Right on guys progress looks great!
@BRICEN18
@BRICEN18 3 жыл бұрын
Nice work fellas!!!
@y2kxair7
@y2kxair7 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job earned a new sub love the attention to detail.
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Thx for the sub 👍
@jimmclean9312
@jimmclean9312 3 жыл бұрын
Was wondering why you wouldn't fasten the 1st LVL to the rafters before putting up the 2nd LVL thus eliminating any gaps ?
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
I like it 👍thx Jim
@JayCProd
@JayCProd Жыл бұрын
How come you use pine on one and lvl on the other?
@brianfogarty8838
@brianfogarty8838 4 жыл бұрын
Hey stud pack....great video! Was hoping you could give a brief explanation...when you snapped the chalk line on the existing ceiling rafters prior to cutting them where did you reference off of to assure that each rafter was cut the same length? Thanks for the content!
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Thx Brian!! We measured off the front wall of the house which is parallel to the beam.
@brianfogarty8838
@brianfogarty8838 4 жыл бұрын
@@StudPack thank you sir
@WeKnowEDKH
@WeKnowEDKH 4 жыл бұрын
New subscriber. Loving the content so far. You can tell Jordan is a good kid.
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much
@jessicahites871
@jessicahites871 Жыл бұрын
Damn good workers!!
@treeguyable
@treeguyable 3 жыл бұрын
So, did you scab a board to the remaining small piece of the cut rafter, that is going to the eave / soffet area of the roof?
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Yes we used 3/4” plywood gusset 👍
@treeguyable
@treeguyable 3 жыл бұрын
@@StudPack Ok thx, I may have missed that part!
@mccartneystuart
@mccartneystuart 3 жыл бұрын
What is the purpose of the horizontal 2x4 framing braces in the walls spanning most of the way across the kitchen walls? Is it code for the state you're in?
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
blocking for kitchen cabinets 👍
@mccartneystuart
@mccartneystuart 3 жыл бұрын
@@StudPack Ahh, genius. Preplanning is worth it's weight in gold. Great work, incorporating your boy in the process is priceless.
@Anthony-nc2dv
@Anthony-nc2dv 3 жыл бұрын
great job guys. How do i determine the size of beams please?
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Structural engineer 👍💪
@luke5702
@luke5702 4 жыл бұрын
Good Job... 👍
@TheAxecutioner
@TheAxecutioner 4 жыл бұрын
That's a damn fine show guys. Subscribed.
@StudPack
@StudPack 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bradyn! Much appreciated!!
@nafoaz117
@nafoaz117 3 жыл бұрын
Could you cut into the joists like that if there was a second floor above and not just attic space?
@seanb6648
@seanb6648 3 жыл бұрын
Yes you could apply this same process but you must make sure you transfer the load to joist below and keep supporting it downward until you reach the foundation
@nafoaz117
@nafoaz117 3 жыл бұрын
@@seanb6648 thank you!
@AntonioMartinez-pr3wb
@AntonioMartinez-pr3wb Жыл бұрын
Good work, a structural engineer dang did you have to have plans drawn up too, or is it something you call and ask, also does the engineer say anything about adding loads to foundation or is it something that i"m overthinking is that something i should ask him about, or will i get laughed off stage ? Thanks in advance although i"m sure I'll be asking more questions.
@austinluepkes5484
@austinluepkes5484 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t think the beam would move after getting a couple rows of nails in it so I stopped paying attention, but on one end my beam ended up being about 1/8 off. Will that hurt anything?
@StudPack
@StudPack 3 жыл бұрын
Maximum distance between a joist and beam is 1/8" when using hangers. You should be fine.
@mrzales4633
@mrzales4633 3 жыл бұрын
I would be diving for those 2 x 4’s lol
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