Removing Messmer's Delayed Attacks - Elden Ring (Modded)..

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In this elden ring shadow of the erdtree dlc video I showcase undelay messmer which speeds the wind up of many of his super delayed attacks making them feel more natural #eldenring #shadowoftheerdtree #dlc #youtubeearning #messmer
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@purehollow 2 ай бұрын

Mod created by sagittariod Link www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/6523

@axemiprozam6977 2 ай бұрын

Curioso hay un vídeo donde le quitan el delay a Margit.

@JoseViktor4099 2 ай бұрын

I guess someone would want it . Personally, I never had issues with delayed attacks, because very often the animations would tell you exactly when to roll. Genuely, the only time where I had issues with delayed attacks was on Lies of P, because on that game the animations are quite snappy. But most ER bosses specially Messmer overall have very good animations and I found them very easy to avoid those attacks. Furthermore, it can even help with the stamina regen to those player who simply roll when needed, of even chances for Windows for those player that experiment. I think that by Removing these delays would make the boss far less interesting.

@ramen3643 2 ай бұрын

finally someone who agrees with me. lies of P delays feel so odd, but elden ring delays feel just right, and they do help with stamina regen and add to the rhythm of the fight.

@HeyTarnished Ай бұрын

@@ramen3643 Yeah! I would’ve never guessed that I’ll be loving delayed attacks in Elden Ring back in 2022, but here we are, and what I will say is: “From Software, please add more delayed attacks” lmao they literally made all of Elden Ring bosses that much better, you can do so much in between them it’s crazy honestly, I just cannot go back, back then, delayed attacks were such a mere nuisance, their timings didn’t obtain much for you as a player, but it’s an entirely different story in ER. Lies of P’s delayed attacks are so bad in comparison. I just cannot believe how From Software made me love something that I wouldn’t have expected to love, which are the delayed attacks, holy crap, it’s genius!

@ReinhardTristanHeydrich Ай бұрын

I Still hate these attacks even after learing how to dealing with them. Elden Ring is superficially speaking a copy of Dark Souls 3, the game practically begs you to play it like Dark Souls 3 and then punishes you for doing so. the same movement, the same menus, the same mechanics. And the mechanics that would help you have fewer problems with the boss moveset, such as stance, jumping, dual-stance, are poorly/not explained. I just can't get myself to like these attacks, even if I try hard.

@JoseViktor4099 Ай бұрын

@@ReinhardTristanHeydrich Delayed attacks, while more common , are not unique to Elden Ring though, Idk why are you telling me all of this... Like on DS3, you just roll when the attack is going to end instead of when is going to start, thats why I appreciated Messmer good animations instead of snappy ones. I personally like good delayed attacks, if you still do not is fine man.

@ReinhardTristanHeydrich Ай бұрын

@@JoseViktor4099 In Elden Ring is overUsed and more delayed than in Dark Souls 3. That why DS3 is Fine and more funnier for me.

@spacenaves 2 ай бұрын

aw hell nah they done un-based the serpent

@percifio1626 2 ай бұрын

Looks weird compared to real version imo, real one has better rhythm and looks more natural.

@somerandomperson9670 2 ай бұрын

NO WAY

@owenjones8796 2 ай бұрын

no it doesnt look weird it looks more normal than a delayed attack nobody is gonna stand there and charge up in a real fight? you people whine at anything

@percifio1626 2 ай бұрын

@@owenjones8796 ah yes, i love when a boss becomes a shitty ds3 boss and wants me to press the dodge button the exact time boss raise their hand, how fun and difficult is that? Not to mention a lot of good bosses in ds3 has delayed attacks that add to their attack pattern and depth and makes the fight more rhythmic becuz you can literally attack between his moves, i thought ds3 made sense of this clearly, but you people want to hate elden ring so much that you blame a game for havinf the same systems but better. Not to mention Messmer charging up doesn't even feel that unnatural unlike margit or any other boss that you can give an example of, this is not even a realistic world we are talking about a *game* character that can transform into snake and can create his own fire with his hand. And you are literally saying that im "whining" over a mod, not the real gameplay btw, so if there is someone whining about this, its you.

@owenjones8796 2 ай бұрын

@@percifio1626 you seriously need a life not every boss needs a crappy charge attack if your attention spam wasnt awful it wouldnt need a load of flashy attacks and terrible combos

@owenjones8796 2 ай бұрын

@@percifio1626 no im not whinin mate you clearly are you just wrote a whole book on the topic. you take this way too seriously and clearly dont go outside enough. maybe stop complaining about things that dont matter and leave your room for once👏 it 100% does not look better undelayed its just weird and not needed much like you

@AverageMudEnjoyer 2 ай бұрын

Ds3 Messmer lmao

@thebluehood35 Ай бұрын

Ngl, I would very much prefer Messmer with delayed attacks. His delays, like Mohg, made the rhythm of his bossfight really enjoyable and it makes the fight more dance-like. Especially when you turn the music on, man dancing with his moveset at a specific tempo while the music is playing is just mesmerizing. Removing the delays would simply remove that enjoyment factor I had for Messmer for the most part.

@fatguy-yo6tv 2 ай бұрын

The souls community's hate for delayed attacks makes no sense to me. It isn't like any boss is switching between a short and long version of an attack, the attack animations work exactly how fromsoft intended so they aren't "delayed".

@anonisnoone6125 2 ай бұрын

U don't need to use technically to change the type of attacks they r. Input reading on ER is a boss reacting to ur animation start up rather than clicking a button, but that doesn't mean it's not input reading cos it's designed differently. The delayed attacks r still delayed cos they're slower than normal.

@pillarmenn1936 2 ай бұрын

Welcome back DS3 combat flow. Oh how I've missed you.

@megoodatgame8535 2 ай бұрын

It’s interesting to see this mod, but it does make his attacks a lot less distinct since you don’t need to worry about timing your rolls since all the attacks hit at nearly the exact same time, and more advanced strategies to punish some of his moves wouldn’t work if his combos didn’t have the delays that they do

@reneclovercinecritica7269 2 ай бұрын

Nice video! I'm interested in the other changes on this mod and might try it with friends in the future. I don't know if you plan to, but I'd love to see more content about this mod.

@HeyTarnished 2 ай бұрын

This one here lost all momentum & rhythm, it literally has less punish windows now which is ridiculous.

@Sir_Sydden 2 ай бұрын

Wow, looks like ds 3 shit boss. i don't understand why people do that... Doesn't the delay make the boss fights deeper?

@purehollow 2 ай бұрын

@@Sir_Sydden some people think it ruins the pacing of the fight and feels unnatural, I personally don't have issues with them sometimes I prefer them, and it's not like ds3 bosses didn't have delayed attacks, pontiff, dancer, Nameless, cinder, Gael all had delayed attacks similar to messmer

@percifio1626 2 ай бұрын

@@Sir_Sydden fr especially messmer has so many openings between his delayed attacks, this ruins the flow of the fight.

@upsideproductions2 2 ай бұрын

@@percifio1626 I personally prefer ds3 bosses to Elden ring. So this change is very welcome to me 👍

@cartergammage1540 2 ай бұрын

@@upsideproductions2as someone who vastly prefers ER bosses, I respect your opinion. DS3 bosses rock👍.

@percifio1626 2 ай бұрын

@@upsideproductions2 i respect your opinion but what you are saying is countering your statement. Some bosses in ds3 too have delayed attacks, like gael, nameless king or sister friede. They are here for a reason stamina management and rhythmic flow of the fight, and its not like messmer's delayed attacks are too different. In fact, messmer is one of the most ds3 boss you can see in elden ring or you can say he can be dealt by like your playing dark souls 3. I also hated when some of the ds3 bosses wanted me to press B exactly when they raise their hands, no depth and unfun whatsoever.

@anzkuki 2 ай бұрын

roll slop messmer

@anonisnoone6125 2 ай бұрын

Messmer's the point boss where the delayed attacks feel perfect and natural. I wouldn't mind trying out this version of the fight tho if I had a pc.

@sasha_4orniy 2 ай бұрын

Tbh, Messmer is an example of fine executed delayed attacks. They're feeling natural and not robotic (like Margit, for example) - all thanks to animations.

@Asteriarimia 2 ай бұрын

Can I ask why would you remove Messmer delays? No hate, I'm just curious about where this idea came from.

@purehollow 2 ай бұрын

@@Asteriarimia from the I removed Margit delayed attacks video , also I didn't create the mod I am showcasing it

@axemiprozam6977 2 ай бұрын

Curious, there is another video one where they remove Margit's delay.

@kenjid.guzman1170 2 ай бұрын

This looks far more natural than Margit's undelayed moveset ngl.

@ChuckTheChosen 2 ай бұрын

What is the point doing this to the best boss of dlc? He is fast but readable, this is nothing but a fun fight. And I find hilarious the fact that people can complain about "dElAyEd aTtAcKs" and simultaneously cry about undelayed cross-slash of Radahn.

@HeevaEgo 2 ай бұрын

Honestly dont know why this mod exists lmao. I hadn’t seen a single complaint for Messmer’s attack, let alone for his entire boss fight at all. I’d expect a vid like this for a Margit boss, but Messmer has like the least amount of delayed attacks in the game😭😭 also this mod just makes him lose all his character and personality, like eww lol

@ReinhardTristanHeydrich Ай бұрын

The mod affects many of the game's bosses, so the messmer is one of the modified bosses. Here's the list of modified ones: -Margit, the Fell Omen (changed especially heavily) -Golden Hippopotamus -Godrick the Grafted -Decaying Ekzykes -Royal Knight Loretta -Red Wolf of Radagon -Misbegotten Warrior -Morgott, the Omen King (changed especially heavily) -Astel, Naturalborn of the Void -Fire Giant -Elemer of the Briar -Godskin Noble -Godskin Apostle (changed especially heavily) -Godfrey, First Elden Lord -Radagon of the Golden Order (changed especially heavily) -Maliketh, the Black Blade -Romina, Saint of the Bud -Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame -Rellana, Twin Moon Knight -Malenia, Blade of Miquella -Messmer the Impaler (changed especially heavily) -Promised Consort Radahn (changed especially heavily)

@Reemon27 2 ай бұрын

looks better, but i wonder if its stamina friendly. ppl already complain abt no windows and the "hit & run" strategy for the dlc fights

@Reemon27 2 ай бұрын

while i dont like delayed attacks i can see why fromsoft implement them

@purehollow 2 ай бұрын

@@Reemon27 I saw no issues personally, his combos aren't long enough to waste all your stamina

@BlacklistedSoup 2 ай бұрын

@@Reemon27hit and run is literally DS3 in a nutshell

@funnyvalentine9848 2 ай бұрын

I mean a mod for who dont know how fight , at this point just summon a player, the delay attack have a sense, u just cant spam roll u have to learn the time etc, samething about aoe attack, they have a sense u have to dodge it with good timing u will get hit, both of them are usefull for not spammrolling and have a sense , if u remove these 2 things the game will be easy even a baby could kill a boss without learning a single move etc, just spam roll and ez, where is the study of a bossfight, if u cant learn a boss you should just change game cause souls like are not for u, some of the best boss in from have delay and aoe attack , ornstein e smough , artorias , manus, gael midir , ludwig ,maria , midra bayle, radahn etc,

@funnyvalentine9848 2 ай бұрын

Ofc i dont flame this video or the youtuber he just showcasing the mod

@The_Crimson_Shogun 2 ай бұрын

Good lord. The elitism in this comment section is the reason everyone looks down on the Elden Ring community.

@facundovera3227 2 ай бұрын

Different opinion detected. Comment ignored.

@user-pn4px5lr8w 2 ай бұрын

@@The_Crimson_Shogun I personally dislike the removal of his delays since part of the fun is figuring what to do during the delays since there's multiple answers rather than one. Though the elitism in these comments is pretty cringe, yes. But when has there ever not been elitism with the fanbase surrounding these games, not just ER?

@yeet00007 2 ай бұрын

Those delays made me learn the game and stop spam rolling.

@anonisnoone6125 2 ай бұрын

Delayed attacks don't stop people from spam rolling. Players still do it.

@yeet00007 2 ай бұрын

@@anonisnoone6125 Those players are noobs then. Plus I said it made ME learn. But some players must’ve learned something about dodging while fighting messmer unless they used an op build with mimic.

@Bil-XL 2 ай бұрын

They should’ve put this in the ringed city dlc 🤣

@Goodbutevilgenius 2 ай бұрын

I like my Messmer more.

@blondsucre8179 2 ай бұрын

Looks like a ds3 boss

@upsideproductions2 2 ай бұрын

@@blondsucre8179 and that’s a good thing.

@FlawlessCoja 2 ай бұрын

Lol the delay is just a punish window, this mod makes the fight way worse

@aidanrobbins7358 15 күн бұрын

Skill issue: the comment section

@ReinhardTristanHeydrich 14 күн бұрын

Elitism: Comment Section

@shinyhydreigon7257 2 ай бұрын

Players would rather spend hours modding their games instead of learning to play differently to fucking Dark Souls 3. Christ.

@anonisnoone6125 2 ай бұрын

It's not fucking deep. This is y no one likes the souls community. It's filled with a bunch of whiny little giggle like uw who cry about everything.

@ReinhardTristanHeydrich Ай бұрын

You say that as if the game wasn't an open-world Dark Souls 3. After all, the combat mechanics that differentiate it from Dark Souls 3 aren't as apparent as in Sekiro. If people play Elden Ring as Dark Souls 3 and don't understand what they're doing wrong, it's the game's design that's at fault. I myself began to find Elden Ring's bosses much better when I discovered these mechanics such as stance and the usefulness of jumping, and I discovered them because of youtube videos. Not to mention that there are many attacks that it's more a matter of luck to figure out how to dodge, such as the Waterfowl dance, and the attack that Margit spins with his weapons. Both attacks are dodgeable, I know that, after all I've done it myself. But that doesn't remove the fact that learning how to dodge these attacks is simply awful, so much so that there are guides explaining how to dodge them.

@shinyhydreigon7257 Ай бұрын

@@ReinhardTristanHeydrich Huh? Did you not watch a single trailer detailing jumping and stance breaking (and guard counters but I'm guessing you don't use shields). There is a fucking tutorial in the game that explains stance breaking and jumping! Elden Ring lets the player play the game, and choose how much they want to learn the mechanics. Sadly, players will take the path of least resistance and opt to playing comfortabley instead of trying to actually learn. And no Margit's combos, and Waterfowl to an extent are intuitive to dodge. Just because you caved and looked up a guide dosn't change that.

@ReinhardTristanHeydrich Ай бұрын

@@shinyhydreigon7257 "Huh? Did you not watch a single trailer detailing jumping and stance breaking (and guard counters but I'm guessing you don't use shields)." No, i just played Dark Souls 3, think its good game, go to Elden Ring. Also, if i need watch the trailer to know how play the game, so something is wrong. "There is a fucking tutorial in the game that explains stance breaking and jumping! " I Don't find it. And even with that totorial, is very bad indeed. Since the enemy they put to "explain" this is super weak. Also, this method is not at all efficient, after all the game even with a trailer demonstrating, and a tutorial (even if poor), we still have MANY players who still play the game as Dark Souls 3, this is not a case exclusive to me, quite the contrary. And what proves this most are the public comments/reception of videos badmouthing Elden Ring like Joseph Anderson'. And even Loopine proves this, because he said that he only began to understand the boss mechanics after facing Malenia, even though he had thousands of hours in Souls games, he didn't understand the mechanics of the bosses, this is clearly a bad result. "Elden Ring lets the player play the game, and choose how much they want to learn the mechanics. Sadly, players will take the path of least resistance and opt to playing comfortabley instead of trying to actually learn." Yes, the meta problem is partly caused by the problems I mentioned. "And no Margit's combos, and Waterfowl to an extent are intuitive to dodge. Just because you caved and looked up a guide dosn't change that." Wrong, like i said: "these attacks is simply awful, so much so that there are guides explaining how to dodge them" Literraly the existence of guides (especially the waterfowl dance), and your "and Waterfowl *to an extent* are intuitive to dodge" prove the inverse. Margit's attack is clearly a better case because it's less punishing and mortal, but he is it's clearly not intuitive to dodge. tell me, how was I supposed to guess that I should go to the side of margit to dodge his spinning attack? And no, I didn't learn these attacks by researching them, I learned Margit's attack by watching Joseph Anderson's video responses, and Malenia I learned to dodge by watching another Elden Ring critique video. And, about waterfowl dance, there are entire guides, entire videos focused only on this attack, and especially when it comes to dodging at close range, things become even less intuitive. How on earth would I imagine that the game's jump can increase my speed or that my hitbox is half deactivated so that I can dodge the attack by running and jumping? How on earth is a player supposed to imagine that he should spin around the boss to confuse the aim of the blow and thus be able to dodge it? Edit: maybe i won't reply to your comment, youtube hasn't notified me of your reply even after 13 hours of it being posted. This notification system is very bad.