Ren Hater Reacts to The Tale of Jenny & Screech... UNBELIEVABLE REACTION!

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Ren's biggest hater reacts to The Tale of Jenny & Screech. You won't believe my reaction to this crazy story. Ren Reaction x MichelleShow reaction.
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@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
Watch the full video... Hands down my most EXPLOSIVE reaction EVER! UP NEXT: Garbage rapper spits garbage rhymes in a one inch pool.
@jaynpeeps
@jaynpeeps 5 ай бұрын
Like you have to tell people to watch the full video. Your reactions are the best on KZbin, hands down!
@danielnelson3136
@danielnelson3136 5 ай бұрын
Brought to you by Kujo, the guy suing and copyright striking Ren to death! Also tune up your guitar dumbass!!😂😂
@FishingwithPhillips
@FishingwithPhillips 5 ай бұрын
@MichelleShow oh you finally gonna go against your instincts and actually watch a whole vid, and you think you can just tell us to watch the whole vid now? 😂😉
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@FishingwithPhillips dam u spitting to be honest 🤣
@myst0307
@myst0307 5 ай бұрын
@@FishingwithPhillips lmao
@piplevett4783
@piplevett4783 5 ай бұрын
Your reaction was everything. i dont want to seem "salty" but the execution not being 100% perfect comes down to his performance being 100% live. You cant expect absolute flawless performances when you're playing a guitar, remembering a million words and going on a little hike all at the same time. But thank you for sticking it out
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@piplevett4783 make sense
@maxloper2263
@maxloper2263 4 ай бұрын
dude criticizes stumbling over words, and repeatedly says "eggsicution"
@BoldDreadman
@BoldDreadman 4 ай бұрын
Live + expression/performance matching the plot. Changing characters and styles on guitar. ❤😊
@RonnieHD
@RonnieHD 4 ай бұрын
@@maxloper2263true af 😂😂😂
@JamisonGallagher
@JamisonGallagher 4 ай бұрын
Add in the fact that he's also doing it in one take too.
@beccasalt8960
@beccasalt8960 5 ай бұрын
😂 was not expecting that enthusiasm at the end! Re: the execution It's not that we don't notice the flaws, it's just that some of them add to it and are intentional (hear me out please) ... Nothing in the story itself is shiny and perfect and pretty. Sexual and physical abuse, paedophilia, drugs and gang culture, death, murder, and being orphaned are all raw, ugly, and gritty, so it doesn't make sense for it to be a perfect, polished, stage-school performance. Some of them are just live 'blips' that happen, and I like that he's real enough not to fake it and edit them out. Too much of this world is autocorrected, autotuned, airbrushed, tweaked, up itself, and just plain overproduced.
@thehangingparsiple5692
@thehangingparsiple5692 5 ай бұрын
👍👍👍
@AnjaHafner-h5k
@AnjaHafner-h5k 4 ай бұрын
🎯
@BoldDreadman
@BoldDreadman 4 ай бұрын
Man you just broke 💯 out of this❤
@PhiloTheMagnificent
@PhiloTheMagnificent 4 ай бұрын
Most of the big vocal analysts highlight the fact Ren *doesn't* always sound perfect and isn't scared to sound 'ugly' or imperfect. It adds a layer of realism and confidence, in a world where art is often overprocessrd. Art isn't perfect. It can be messy and still beautiful, because it is real. One of the most real videos out there is Blind Eyed featuring car park attendant. A string snaps, they're chased out of the garage, but they continue to perform, blips and laughs, and the finished product is amazing because it is *real* and the talent seeps through even with the little mistakes while hurrying out
@XRPeakyBlindAR
@XRPeakyBlindAR 3 ай бұрын
Th at was incredible. Michelle show has grown on me fast lol
@independentfreethinkeroutl2176
@independentfreethinkeroutl2176 5 ай бұрын
LoL haters cant even hate on ren after a while
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
I’m still the number 1 hater on the planet tho, just for clarification.
@independentfreethinkeroutl2176
@independentfreethinkeroutl2176 5 ай бұрын
@MichelleShow nah your just a puzy cat 🐈 that identity as a hater ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@Avatar_AnaSofia
@Avatar_AnaSofia 5 ай бұрын
😂​@@MichelleShow
@williamkeith8740
@williamkeith8740 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow 🤣🤣🤣
@serendipity1237
@serendipity1237 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow😂
@JohnMayfield-NS
@JohnMayfield-NS 5 ай бұрын
The way Ren draws you in to Violet's story to the point you (listener in general) almost forget about Jenny and Screech's stories, only to tie it all up at the end, is masterful. It then forces you to go back and put the pieces of the story together... a masterpiece. Good reaction, you're growing on me. :D
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@JohnMayfield-NS exactly
@spike1976
@spike1976 5 ай бұрын
I'm a massive Ren fan, but when that ghost appeared, I nearly wet myself 😂 Great reaction
@BekkaGotLost
@BekkaGotLost 5 ай бұрын
@@spike1976 omg.same! That shit was pretty funny.
@lolly_golightly
@lolly_golightly 5 ай бұрын
That plus the duck. I can’t really hate on Michelle Show’s hate when he doesn’t spare himself. Equal opportunity trolling and so funny with it. “Do you identify as a ghost??” 👻 🦆 ☯️
@reallifealbundy
@reallifealbundy 5 ай бұрын
“Don’t start yodeling on them steps” had me crying. Then the ghost had me drop dead. 😂😂
@wennie1974
@wennie1974 4 ай бұрын
Same!! i love Ren but those reactions made me laugh so hard!
@carlbernard7615
@carlbernard7615 5 ай бұрын
Fuck me, the penny finally fucking dropped.
@SeanF374
@SeanF374 5 ай бұрын
21 minutes? Fuck me! He watched it! 😂😂😂 I'm going in.
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
man im actually thirsty to hear more ren stories
@SeanF374
@SeanF374 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow This might be my favourite reaction video ever! The duck! 🤣🤣🤣 Great job!
@woodywoodman2319
@woodywoodman2319 5 ай бұрын
​@@MichelleShowHe's dropping new Tales starting in Sept October!
@Derrek-he2ns
@Derrek-he2ns 5 ай бұрын
King los is a good lyricist but u can’t say he better than someone like Eminem cos he can’t do it all. He don’t have no hits and he can’t make a song. He just good at freestyle. So say he the best freestyler. Not lyrical rapper. Because he not the who,e package like others mainly Em and Kendrick FACTS
@tonyarodriguez2098
@tonyarodriguez2098 5 ай бұрын
​@@MichelleShowYou really need to listen to Hi Ren it's a masterpiece .....a piece of art 😊
@reviewandreactionvideoswit7200
@reviewandreactionvideoswit7200 5 ай бұрын
Don't start yodelin' on those steps....LMMFAO. I'm actually starting to like you Michelle
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
finally!
@sarasweightlossjourney1432
@sarasweightlossjourney1432 5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@beldavius
@beldavius 5 ай бұрын
You kept saying the execution was trash, but keep in mind that each of those video segments were filmed as a one-take, live performance, so you gotta give him props for that, even if stylistically it didn't appeal to you. Great reaction to the twist, though. That duck had me rolling!
@anomaly3215
@anomaly3215 5 ай бұрын
it doesn't matter if it's 1 take tho, that's like freestyling a song then blaming the trash lyrics on the fact that it was freestyled, like it doesn't work that way
@beldavius
@beldavius 5 ай бұрын
@@anomaly3215 well, I don't happen to think that the execution was trash, and I do think context matters. The fact that it was one-take means that there's a little latitude if a phrase or two isn't in perfect synch with the music or if a pitch here or there is flat or sharp. That's what makes live performances so good and unique. If he didn't care for the style, he should just say that, but to suggest that the "execution" was bad is nonsense. But then, he's entitled to his opinion, as am I. I'm not slamming him, I'm just disagreeing with him.
@SLCA46
@SLCA46 4 ай бұрын
@@beldaviuswatch screeches tale and look at his jacket and the colors and how they interact with the music.
@beldavius
@beldavius 4 ай бұрын
@@SLCA46 right! EVERY aspect was thought out and planned.
@firemedic2442
@firemedic2442 5 ай бұрын
How quick you went from "this is garbage" to the reverse cowgirl position was crazy!
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@firemedic2442 🤣🤣
@firemedic2442
@firemedic2442 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow can you teach my girl how to do that?
@Grassisgreenbean
@Grassisgreenbean 5 ай бұрын
As a *casual and chill* Ren fan, I gotta say - it’s one guy with a guitar, live, and a guy with a camera. You gotta admit what they’re able to create is impressive even if it isn’t perfectly executed.
@pamela_Boyle
@pamela_Boyle 5 ай бұрын
Who would have thought it would be Ren that would break you 😂 Give it up for Michelle shedding tears for Ren 🎉
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
Breaking me is the perfect way to put it cuz wtf was that
@daelaenor
@daelaenor 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow bro short-circuited
@sianhuntington6341
@sianhuntington6341 5 ай бұрын
"all the fans are in Wales"😂😂😂oh god,you kill me..I guess the whole world is Welsh then 😂😂bless you
@SaraShadowSpirit
@SaraShadowSpirit 3 ай бұрын
Well technically I am a splash Welsh. 😊
@PamelaBuscemi
@PamelaBuscemi 5 ай бұрын
I'm from Illinois, USA and love Ren. Don't assume his audience is only from the UK.
@ricksurratt9034
@ricksurratt9034 5 ай бұрын
I’m from Illinois originally also for whatever that’s worth 👍🏽✌🏼🐷
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@PamelaBuscemi took that way too literal
@michellelevert5128
@michellelevert5128 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow it’s almost like people think we should be considerate of their feelings even if we don’t give af
@jamiev3641
@jamiev3641 5 ай бұрын
Michigan here!
@RobinJusticeWoods
@RobinJusticeWoods 5 ай бұрын
Yep I'm from Washington. I actually wonder if he has more American fans than anywhere else.
@constitutionalknightofcere6651
@constitutionalknightofcere6651 5 ай бұрын
Those famous words "who's Violet?" uttered by so many reactors. Gets everyone at the end. Peace and Blessings to you and yours
@jalaziel
@jalaziel 5 ай бұрын
Props for watching it, and for the respect to the audience. The lack of any emotional response to the music and what it tries to convey is a subjective thing, but the lack of emotional response to the events he describes is objectively a damning tale itself. Two kids die and your response was "people die every day". Violet gets beaten to death and you roll your eyes. This response tells a story maybe as powerful as Ren's. Cheers #michelleshow you got me thinking.
@lonewarrior6633
@lonewarrior6633 5 ай бұрын
One of the best, if not, the best reactions I've ever seen for this song! Michelle......you did it again!
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@lonewarrior6633 true emotions and opinions gone always beat pandering and scripts.
@DonnaPoynton.
@DonnaPoynton. 5 ай бұрын
That ghost had me 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
half man, half ghost
@bevc5349
@bevc5349 5 ай бұрын
Me too! 😂
@dimitriodee
@dimitriodee 5 ай бұрын
Me too 🤣🤣🤣
@debbiegreene4771
@debbiegreene4771 5 ай бұрын
And me, was happy to see him make a comeback back 👻
@mldkenny
@mldkenny 5 ай бұрын
Huge Ren fan so total respect for getting to the end and equally I stayed the whole way for the end of your reaction....worth ever second!!
@ridgeback4374
@ridgeback4374 5 ай бұрын
props for not turning it off 5 seconds in, i knew you were tempted lol
@GoodGirlGone
@GoodGirlGone 5 ай бұрын
Are the end of days upon us 😳😋😁 Edit after the video: thank you for pushing through 😋🤣… I think you also have to remember that these are actually pretty old, and he did them with almost no budget.. and with the equipment he had available to him at the time… I think most people always take that into account… and quite a few people hold him up as example for artists starting out.. showing that you could still create… even if you don’t have a budget..
@AgnesPerditaX
@AgnesPerditaX 5 ай бұрын
Gotcha! :o)) The reaction is precious after all! :o) (All his fans are from Wales?! Excuse me?! We are literally all over the place! :o)) Greetings from Czech Republic, sir!
@Donetravlin
@Donetravlin 5 ай бұрын
West Side.... & I am referring to the west side this content creator is familiar with.... How is it going, Czech? We are fully ww brother Renegade you couldn't be farther away physically but we come together for ren new video soon I❤ that.
@AgnesPerditaX
@AgnesPerditaX 5 ай бұрын
@@Donetravlin 👋 To paraphrase an old saying of our parts: A Renegade has brothers and sisters everywhere! Reniverse for all! :o) 🤜🪑🤛🔥
@anoukmattheeusen4966
@anoukmattheeusen4966 5 ай бұрын
Belgium ❤
@Uniquely-Unoriginal
@Uniquely-Unoriginal Ай бұрын
Saskatchewan, Canada
@michaelphipps8647
@michaelphipps8647 5 ай бұрын
That ending was priceless!!! Loved it!
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
not more than i did
@BekkaGotLost
@BekkaGotLost 5 ай бұрын
Hell has frozen over
@jaynpeeps
@jaynpeeps 5 ай бұрын
I never thought it would be Ren that would bring NoLifeEugene back, but I am here for it!
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
The buildup and storytelling was masterclass, I was literally stunned into laughing uncontrollably
@doesntgiveaflock2725
@doesntgiveaflock2725 5 ай бұрын
The goose got me 😂😂😂😂😂
@Gazzeroo
@Gazzeroo 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow The laughing was just to hide those tears we saw building up in Violet's Tale. It's ok... let them flow man. Haters can cry too 😉
@markpotter8280
@markpotter8280 5 ай бұрын
@@Gazzeroo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@sarasweightlossjourney1432
@sarasweightlossjourney1432 5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂​@@doesntgiveaflock2725
@thereseaxelsson_666
@thereseaxelsson_666 5 ай бұрын
I love your laugh! It's very contagious... and the duck was hilarious 😂😂😂
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@thereseaxelsson_666 my favorite experience this year , I need that laugh
@myst0307
@myst0307 5 ай бұрын
FIRE! I've been waiting for this one. I'm so happy you let it play out lmao.
@JackiePlage
@JackiePlage 5 ай бұрын
Glad you made it to the end, and that ghost cracked me up! 🤣🤣 I look at the tales and Hi Ren as performative art. I don't know if you've ever seen something like Shakespeare at a theatre but it has that whole theatrical performance vibe to it. I'm from the UK and studied some theatre many years ago so I recognised the presentation instantly. So no, it's not really "normal" stuff for a musician even here in the UK. 😄 My Ren recommendation for you would be Murderer.
@thehangingparsiple5692
@thehangingparsiple5692 5 ай бұрын
Back on 74 is a possibility too? Or Halftime?
@Avatar_AnaSofia
@Avatar_AnaSofia 5 ай бұрын
This is a Masterpiece of storytelling.
@paindilla1834
@paindilla1834 5 ай бұрын
Your reaction at the end was priceless especially after all the hating you were doing 😄 And the 👻 edit had me rolling 😂🤣
@GM-in2io
@GM-in2io 5 ай бұрын
You can say you don’t like it as much as you want but your facial expressions say “this guy’s amazing”. 😂
@chillin5933
@chillin5933 4 ай бұрын
He can't understand how talented ren is
@Seamus.MacLeod
@Seamus.MacLeod 5 ай бұрын
There's two things that make this impressive. First, all 3 parts are separate one-take live videos. Second, this all started with a newspaper article about a young woman being knifed, and the killer shot by police shortly thereafter. Violet was 100% Ren showing the persistence of generational violence.
@DrinkItNeat
@DrinkItNeat 8 күн бұрын
Sometimes it's entertaining to watch a hater hate and then realize they hated a little too early 😂
@kracine9582
@kracine9582 5 ай бұрын
Your problem is that you are too used to hearing highly produced, auto-tuned videos. This is raw, uncut, and recorded LIVE.
@x8jason8x
@x8jason8x 5 ай бұрын
Your problem is being an obnoxious catch u next tuesday. Stop acting like it has to be something it's not. He told a good story, this isn't music.
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@kracine9582 kinda true but my favorite rappers don’t do auto tune
@anomaly3215
@anomaly3215 5 ай бұрын
going straight to the autotune stereotype makes me feel like you've never heard nas in your life
@axtra9561
@axtra9561 5 ай бұрын
nah you tripping ren trying to hit crazy notes when he know he can't sing
@Codex7777
@Codex7777 5 ай бұрын
I presume you're just another sad little hater, with nothing better to do. Otherwise you'd know that Ren has an incredible voice, widely praised by untold numbers of vocal coaches and industry professionals alike! Next you'll be telling me that he can't play acoustic guitar, electric guitar, bass, piano etc. You may be confused by listening to shite all the time, so your brain gets addled listening to a genuine musician, poet and world-class artist and performer, like Ren. Enjoy your hate-filled non-existence. I await your inevitably petty reply with utter indifference... :)
@gminusmark
@gminusmark 5 ай бұрын
I had to check the running time of the video, I was expecting you to get to the mouth trumpet intro & say "straight Boo Boo" the end, But you did it & your reaction at the end was priceless, that was a good 21 minutes of my day
@LisaD78
@LisaD78 5 ай бұрын
I've really not had the best day today, but you've honestly just cheered me up no end 🤣😊
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@LisaD78 no more bad days!
@AwesomeWelles-cy8xg
@AwesomeWelles-cy8xg 5 ай бұрын
"Do you identify as a ghost?"😂
@darkmatter6714
@darkmatter6714 5 ай бұрын
Jenny and Screech were both born on the same day and died on the same day. As victims of violence, both Jenny’s and her mother’s response to it was to freeze in silence…a response which led to both of them being killed. The trilogy closes in a circle, just as the circle of violence through three generations (Jenny’s father was abusive) also closes in a circle. All three, victims of domestic abuse, passed down through generations.
@wereallmadhere364
@wereallmadhere364 4 ай бұрын
They were twins, Jenny behaved like their mother and Screech was abusive like their father. They were adopted at birth and didn’t know they were brother and sister
@mirisina4572
@mirisina4572 5 ай бұрын
Not the ghost 😭 you had me howling out loud during that whole bit 🤣 and the🦆😆 Props to you - I'm might actually come around and start liking you lil hater 😄😘 I think some of the frustration of Ren's fans comes from knowing that it really does pay off to watch his stuff till the end and have your mind blown every now and then - so someone breaking it off cause they don't feel the vibe out the gate really get's us riled up 😅 And when his voice gets dissonant and things get messy it's often done on purpose in these performance bits - like it's supposed to get under your skin. He actually has insane vocal control if you check out some of his busking with the Big Push or Sam Tompkins or his live duets with Chinchilla you might find the kind of execution you wanna hear Anyways - really appreciate you taking the time to see this one through! 🙏 If you check out more of his stuff there'll be loads more subscribers heading your way - and many of us actually like to hear your honest opinion and see your true reaction keeping it real and roasting the shit out of a piece when it's hilarious like this. Just don't knock it till you've tried it 😉 Hoping for many more epic 👻& 🦆 hate fuelled shenanigans to follow ❤‍🔥
@belgand5555
@belgand5555 5 ай бұрын
I’m from NY Eugene and I love it… it’s a style he has ov being true to the tale… it’s supposed to be dirty and grimy and real… I loved you stuck around and the truth is it’s hard to really hate on Ren… but you made me lol today ! Keep up the entertainment! Thanks 👏👏👏
@tarar1998
@tarar1998 4 ай бұрын
This is amazing. I was hating on you during the tea tion and we so happy you saw the light! From day one this trilogy always reminds me of Immortal Technique's "Dance With The Devil" if you don't know that one , take a lusten. Its disturbing but is an incredible piece of work. Welcome to the Rengades
@kizkazzy
@kizkazzy 5 ай бұрын
some people cant appreciate art if theres no twerking involved
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
funny but true
@xMrPAINTx
@xMrPAINTx 5 ай бұрын
A Stacked Heifer that twerks like the light bill just got a cut off notice.......IS a Work Of Art!
@kizkazzy
@kizkazzy 5 ай бұрын
@@xMrPAINTx probably if your brain is situated in your dick
@andibay3736
@andibay3736 5 ай бұрын
Well holy sh*t! Your reaction was as shocking as the ending of this trilogy!😂 The look of shear annoyance and irritation throughout the entire reaction, gave zero indication that you’d have an epiphany and enjoyment! I’m just happy the torture you endured provided you some joy in the end!🥳😂👏👌 Actually, your reaction was THE most excited i’ve seen and I’ve seen a ton! 🔥🔥🔥
@blazeparabellum7325
@blazeparabellum7325 5 ай бұрын
Fun reaction. A few little Easter eggs after hearing some interviews and live streams. 2:23 you called Jenny a profit. That's a twin sense or intuition, even though she didn't know about him. The part where Patrick and his girl were both unavailable. They were busy-together. The song was it in 2019, and he rewind to 'two-zero-zero-five' (2005, 14 years prior... Jenny and screech were both 14.). She was a street walker and he was a theif. At 14:11 he called her a slut. She was already pregnant when she met him so guess who was the father? Also, the ghost you threw in there had me rolling, that was really funny. Only one thing bothered me, you criticized the execution, but you really have to appreciate they are all done in one take. A single uncut unedited recording from beginning to end. That's talent. Your laughing at the end was awesome!
@ايمنالعنزي-ص6ص
@ايمنالعنزي-ص6ص 5 ай бұрын
This is why you should never cut off songs, not because it turned out good this one time, but hating throughout the entire video is way funnier than cutting it off half way in.
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
u on to something but some songs i just cant do it..
@wembley636
@wembley636 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow Hi, I like Ren but I understand that there are going to people who don't, it's just a fact that we are all different and that's a good thing. If we were all the same then life would be boring. Just be you.
@heckheckle7040
@heckheckle7040 5 ай бұрын
I thought this was gonna be about that saved by the bell dude .
@michellelevert5128
@michellelevert5128 5 ай бұрын
@@ايمنالعنزي-ص6ص big facts. If Eugene is gonna hate I want him to hate in its entirety
@clairemccarney7437
@clairemccarney7437 5 ай бұрын
This is the reaction we have all been waiting for!! I dont like you but i respect you. Apreciated man!! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
@markr878
@markr878 5 ай бұрын
I appreciate your taste is different and not everything you're going to like but good on you for sticking to the end of the story to catch the twist.
@yolandescheepers7262
@yolandescheepers7262 5 ай бұрын
At this rate we will have to start subbing to you channel..😂😂😂 but what makes this so special is that this is millions of people's reality that doesn't get heard..❤❤ thanx for listening to our Boi..❤
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@yolandescheepers7262 subscribing to my channel is a boss move! But yea this was deep on many levels
@patcow9999
@patcow9999 5 ай бұрын
Fair play to you! A bona fide hater of Ren, you put yourself through torture and your reaction at the end was brilliant! However, you fixated on the execution, the sound for criticism. Through a certain lens fair enough, that's your view. I would suggest that there are millions of artists in studios, producing songs within an inch of their lives. If that's the only lens you want to see music through, auto-tuned to f*ck, artificially pitch perfect, that of course, is entirely your prerogative. Then ask yourself, how many artists are producing live one take content? It's a unique genre. I've been to umpteen live concerts, mistakes are made, some words out of tune but it's raw, it's rough, but it's LIVE!! That's exactly why this genre appeals to me and many.
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@patcow9999 good points
@x8jason8x
@x8jason8x 5 ай бұрын
The problem is that none of your fellow renegades have such objective takes on it, and sell it as he's an unimpeachable musical genius, instead of a unique performance artist.
@GoodGirlGone
@GoodGirlGone 5 ай бұрын
@@x8jason8xaah.. but just like politics… only the hardcore extremes are very vocal.. the in the middle, normal people don’t scream over loudspeakers… same here… the majority of Ren’s supporters knows exactly what he is (I would still say he is more than a small niche market 🤨)… we are just not as vocal as the extreme lovers or haters… we are here and we lurk.. and sometimes jump in to correct an extreme lover… or nudge one of those haters… but don’t make the same mistake as most people, and put all of us in the same basket 😋😁
@x8jason8x
@x8jason8x 5 ай бұрын
@@GoodGirlGone I think you just hater card checked me. I'm loud here, I get it, but you're absolutely right. I'm not in the extremes, and since I don't have to automatically hate when someone displays a modicum of intelligence, it's easy for me to say Ren is a talented artist. When dozens of "fans" with monosyllabic vocabularies try to tell me, a pro multi-instrumentalist and sound engineer of many years, that I "just don't get it" and try to have me "go listen to x song or reactor's opinion!", coupled with clunky insults, it's hard to take the artist seriously though. Look at the audience he's cultivated! The same could be said, and worse, about any modern pop artist though, I guess, but being 100% clear... Eugene's audience isn't truly haters. We like _honesty._ I've personally talked to Ren, told the man straight to his face his music isn't for me, but I do respect his work ethic. So I don't feel a bit bad for being honest. 🤷‍♂ I do appreciate you reminding me of the obvious though, it can be easy to overlook how loud the uninformed can be.
@patcow9999
@patcow9999 5 ай бұрын
@@x8jason8x I would sort of agree with you if I was, say, a Gen Z youngster. I'm an old fart! I have ridden on the crest of many musical fads, from Prog Rock (Yes, Floyd, Genesis) to Punk Rock (The Clash, The Stranglers, The Buzzcocks), from Ska (The Specials, Madness, The Beat) to Brit Pop (Oasis, Pulp, Blur). With Ren, I have never seen a singer play in so many genres, often mixing them up. However, everyone has the right to "hate" an artist. It's why I drop in on MichelleShow because it's a refreshing take. My "hate" artist? Rod Stewart! But I do like 3 of his songs, it's the other x hundred of them!
@ruddyy123
@ruddyy123 5 ай бұрын
I think this is why a lot of us love you. Even though you hate our favourite artists and tracks , you still give credit where it’s due. So glad you appreciated what was being done in the end. Awesome reaction and still can’t wait for you to do the rest. Some crazy stuff along the way like this. Did you ever do “losing it”? I can’t remember. Not sure you have but would love to see what you think about that track and how rapping abilities
@lnetski23
@lnetski23 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, if you prefer heavily produced music to raw live performance just say that but Ren played intricate classical guitar while walking down stairs, strolled around the streets singing and playing simultaneously, hitting marks all in a one take live recording while keeping the audience entranced with great storytelling and performance. He absolutely nailed the execution and to say otherwise is just ignorance to how difficult what Ren is doing truly is. Glad you made it through to the ending twist tho and I know you’re warming up to Ren in your own time
@michaelphipps8647
@michaelphipps8647 5 ай бұрын
New drop tomorrow, gonna be 🔥! Ren vs Kujo!
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
who is kujo?
@angelaprzybylski1425
@angelaprzybylski1425 5 ай бұрын
Not ren against Kujo kujo is just a beat maker. Just Ren going to drop his anger in a track
@x8jason8x
@x8jason8x 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow Yeah, all the music aside, Ren got done dirty, I thought you knew. Dude licensed him a beat with uncleared samples, got one of his most popular songs delisted, and is trying to hold it hostage, trying to make Ren pay for all of it, *_after_* Ren made him an insanely generous offer. All of it the beat maker's fault to start.
@MegsD79
@MegsD79 5 ай бұрын
​@@MichelleShowI tagged you today in the community post on Ren's channel where Ren has, for the first time, asked all reactors that do react to his music to please react to the song he's releasing tomorrow. There's a 40 min video on Ren's channel explaining the situation that caused him to create this song. Basically, Ren and a producer, Kujo, had some issues to do with the Beat that Ren bought and used to make his song Sick Boi. Kujo used a stolen sample, didn't tell Ren when Ren bought the Beat, etc, etc, etc.... Anyway, Ren tried to come to a fair agreement but dude just kept turning everything down and threatened to take 100% of the money made from the publishing AND the master - which he prob wouldn't win from the receipts that Ren shows in the video. Kujo issued a copyright strike on the vid as leverage, refused to put it back up so finally Ren got sick of shit and took the song off all platforms himself and is re-creating the song in full - WITHOUT A STOLEN SAMPLE AND WITHOUT KUJO - and Ren is putting out a song dedicated to Kujo called Kujo Beatdown and Ren has warned it's a very angry song... he has said this one does not end like his Dotta diss. if you want more info, I would watch the video on Ren's channel about the situation and check out the post on his community page I tagged you on about 12 hours or so ago.
@8977jn7
@8977jn7 5 ай бұрын
​@MichelleShow there's a vid you don't need to react to but it explains it is out. Ren got scammed. He's making a track about it
@nataliehughes5902
@nataliehughes5902 5 ай бұрын
Ren bowled us all over with that curveball!! So so glad you stuck with it Michelle!! And yes absolutely just let the Ren stuff play. I’ve been hoping that you’d give it a real go and this made me laugh and smile! Much love from the UK!😊xxx
@dukecunning7046
@dukecunning7046 5 ай бұрын
Appreciate your reaction to this song. This is a VERY SAD tale; But, what I LOVE the MOST about "The Tale of Jenny and Screech" is that in the end it points out that Jenny and Screech were siblings. This gave me insight into Ren's compassion for humanity and the recognition of how wrong it is. It should not be this way. We all brothers and sisters. That we are divine spiritual beings in mortal bodies. We should treat each other as such. Jenny and Screech grew up in the foster system so that they didn't know they were siblings. But, if we're taught like we should be taught; that we are ALL BROTHER and SISTERS! That is the way we should ALL treat each other! This is what I like about this song. Hopefully, one day we will all know this. "Every so often there comes an artist that says things on a certain level that just resonates." I feel Ren through his ten or so years of hellacious suffering became somewhat of a prophet. Have a nice day!
@SunshineSolice
@SunshineSolice 5 ай бұрын
This ending though!!!!!! 🤣🔥👏🏽Modern day Shakespeare for real! You’re turning into a #renegade … and I’m loving it!🤗🌻
@ella_lefttheroom
@ella_lefttheroom 5 ай бұрын
Next: „Hating On KRIBS - Ren Edition“ He‘s got some stapled ivy on the walls we need to talk about!
@SeanF374
@SeanF374 5 ай бұрын
Doing a Kribs episode on the Animal Flow vid would be fire! 🤣🤣🤣
@BellalunaGames
@BellalunaGames 4 ай бұрын
I’m watching again… to understand we must rewind…… I couldn’t stand you! After this video, I watch Every Single Video You Post !!! You are so FUNNY. You are so REAL. Nothing fake about you (except your hair🤷‍♀️) This reaction is by far my favorite! I watch it several times a week. Much love from a fellow RENegade❤️❤️❤️
@elijiah4631
@elijiah4631 5 ай бұрын
At the end I was waiting to see if you were trolling 😂 As a Ren fan from west Canada, I think your reactions are hilarious and fair. Imo Rens best song is Murderer He's got a banger with Prof called Pain Salesman and if you wanna hate listen to Down on the beat
@mcguigance
@mcguigance 3 ай бұрын
Omg..I stuck to the end..stop making me like you ..funny ass ..the ghost and yodelling on the steps 😂😂
@bkkidd2112
@bkkidd2112 5 ай бұрын
When you edited the ghost in 😂
@bkkidd2112
@bkkidd2112 5 ай бұрын
...and then the duck OMG
@cleanwithjaimie7586
@cleanwithjaimie7586 4 ай бұрын
I actually love you so much 😂 I’m a massive Ren fan but you make me howl
@AmaBrigitte
@AmaBrigitte 5 ай бұрын
Seriously, now I'm in love with a hater? Loved your reaction but Ren is everything in my book! You should continue deep dive and I recommend Crutch for a different one! Thanks for paying respect ❤
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@AmaBrigitte I can finally say I understand ren music now, I can’t listen like it’s a song but more like a movie or audiobook.
@francesdoll4039
@francesdoll4039 5 ай бұрын
Some are stories, some are songs but he will NOT be put in a box. You have to leave your mind open.
@AgnesPerditaX
@AgnesPerditaX 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow Exactly! (Not all his tracks, but the ones like these - definitely! This is the Tale, not a song to bob your head to. A performance, a tragedy of Shakesperean proportions. :o) I'm so glad you've given this gem a chance, to the end this time. :o) Thank you! 💙
@brigittemainella6412
@brigittemainella6412 5 ай бұрын
​@@MichelleShow❤❤❤
@AgnesPerditaX
@AgnesPerditaX 5 ай бұрын
@@francesdoll4039 Word! Absolutely.
@Booch5
@Booch5 5 ай бұрын
You had me nervous. I was just like, let it finish. Fire reaction.
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
ima be honest, this make me wanna finish hi ren..
@CaseyDawnayy
@CaseyDawnayy 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShowDO IT
@janiendejong8641
@janiendejong8641 5 ай бұрын
​@@MichelleShowplease do it
@analisasmith7927
@analisasmith7927 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShowDo it - I dare u!!! X
@lonewarrior6633
@lonewarrior6633 5 ай бұрын
DO IT BRO!! You've already turned a hater of a hater into a lover of a hater being a lover!!! 😅
@chantibergwerff4251
@chantibergwerff4251 5 ай бұрын
I'm crying over here🤣🤣 This is the best reaction I've seen so far.🤣 Thank you for your patience. By the looks on your face I wasn't sure if you would make it till the end😂 This was 🔥🔥🔥
@roberthodson
@roberthodson 5 ай бұрын
Love your reactions, especially this one. It's so great to see someone who comes into something expecting to be unimpressed, believing throughout that those expectations are being met, and then have a genuine, explosive reaction at the end that redefines the whole experience. One of the best reactions I've ever seen to anything. 👏👏👏 It's so great to see someone open to changing their opinion on something, and I've seen that in many of your videos. Our world needs so much more of that. I wanted to say something about your criticism of Ren's execution. I disagree with you completely. This is an *expert* performance at an incredibly high level of skill. You may wonder, who am I to say this? I'm a professional musician who has played around the world and has taught and mentored hundreds of other musicians who have become professionals over the last 25 years. It's one thing to say that the performance is not to your taste; that makes complete sense. But to hold his performance to standards that you've defined based on music that is produced in the studio, where phrases are recorded one at a time, voices are auto-tuned to oblivion, and every aspect of the sound is manufactured completely misses the point of this type of music. Ren's music and words are thoughtfully and cleverly composed, his storytelling is world-class, and his performance is skillful, expressive, and 100% authentic. When you add that these stories were recorded in single takes, you're approaching the top 1% of the top 1% level of skill. Anyway... thanks again for the great reactions here and elsewhere. I've also really enjoyed your Tool reaction journey. Keep up the great work.
@traillyjools
@traillyjools 5 ай бұрын
Really didnt know how you were gonna take this one 😂 Now ive got to the end Im so so happy you got it
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@traillyjools flames! 🔥
@serendipity1237
@serendipity1237 5 ай бұрын
Not just “got it”, but saw it coming two seconds ahead of time! 😛
@sarasweightlossjourney1432
@sarasweightlossjourney1432 5 ай бұрын
16:39 that part was worth this entire reaction. I was getting so bothered by your annoyance with everything but man it came around and you with your energy was just a beautiful thing.
@davidcross9284
@davidcross9284 5 ай бұрын
Stayed til the end and loved the reaction! Not sure I agree with you regarding execution though. All three were live one takes. Try money game part 3 again live. You won't find fault there I'm thinking. Love from Wales!
@Uniquely-Unoriginal
@Uniquely-Unoriginal Ай бұрын
Epic reaction ending! Wonder if / hope Ren saw it, lol. Here from Ray's (Vibe Reactions) recommendation.
@MegsD79
@MegsD79 5 ай бұрын
THIS WAS EPIC!!! I knew there was no way you would get all the way thru without changing your mind! PS - I'm a Ren fan since Jan 2023 and I'm from New England in the US😂 💙💙💙🔥🔥🔥
@bbqueen1578
@bbqueen1578 5 ай бұрын
Reminder also: This all is a story that Ren wrote himself. It came from him seeing a news story where it said that a 14 yr old boy murdered a prostitute in the street.
@nrsvlda70
@nrsvlda70 5 ай бұрын
Hey… Michelle.. Ren fan here - NOT FROM WALES! I enjoyed your reaction, thanks for hanging in for the end. I have to say tho.. I’m confused about your dis of ‘the execution’?? Forget the writing.. how many artists can do one take videos out on the streets.. walking, singing, PLAYING..?? If that’s NOT ‘execution’ I’m not sure what is. If you’re more into auto tuned (to death) single beat mumble (repeat same string of words over and over).. music?? Then.. I feel sorry for you. But again, thank-you for sharing this.. much appreciated!!
@SickBoiRENegade
@SickBoiRENegade 5 ай бұрын
This!
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@nrsvlda70 I like nas, no auto tune, no repeating, no mumbling. Still good points about execution on the one take that’s 100 percent correct.
@nrsvlda70
@nrsvlda70 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow I like Nas too!
@funnyeveryday-vn3nq
@funnyeveryday-vn3nq 5 ай бұрын
It's good to be honest. Not everybody likes everything; that's why there are genres. But every Ren song is pretty much a new genre. He has tons of singing range and and can really rap.
@leefarrar2004
@leefarrar2004 5 ай бұрын
Hey bro.. we ain't all Welsh "even though I'm in Wales right now"!!! And some of us value a true opinion and real freedom to speak your niece, since when do we always have to agree in everything!!! We should celebrate our differences.. glad you stuck it out to the end of jenny and screech.... as you're finding out, our Ren kinda has a lot of pockets and genres he works in.. keep the show going and big up from the UK 🇬🇧
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@leefarrar2004 straight facts
@katedickie8986
@katedickie8986 4 ай бұрын
Thank god you now know it doesnt pay to be hater. This guy is super talented.
@gminusmark
@gminusmark 5 ай бұрын
I Was Nervous for this one I can breathe now!
@sunsoar1822
@sunsoar1822 4 ай бұрын
Have to say, your reaction at the end was fucking gold, watching the dots connect in real time haha. Ren originally released these as 3 seperate tracks, and i remember listening to like 5 seconds of the first 2 dropping out, not my thing, but i can appreciate the guitar. Thenl i listened to the third one which works slightly better as a song in its own right, and then i watched this compilation.
@staceyhawthorne8194
@staceyhawthorne8194 5 ай бұрын
The look on your face when it clicked before he even named the twins.
@highlightspotent127
@highlightspotent127 5 ай бұрын
Lol, well, you sat through the whole thing so kudos to you. I am a diehard Ren fan, but even I know well enough not to recommend certain songs to individuals that I know that it’s not their bag . This is a theatrical performance more than a song that you would hear playing in your whip . The style is referred to as modern day bard or bardcore. The individual will flip between character and narrator throughout the story. Something you’d see in the early mediaeval times. Anyway, as you know, Ren has some bangers that may be more up your alley . You can’t deny, though that this guy has incredible skills Cheers 🍻 🇨🇦
@DonutCockapoo
@DonutCockapoo 5 ай бұрын
“Don’t trust a song that’s flawless”
@Sky14318
@Sky14318 4 ай бұрын
So many people up in the comments being awful and/or arguing the semantics of what constitutes “music”. Is there always so much hate up in here? Yeah yeah yeah… I’ll get shredded by a whole mob of people who (somehow) pride themselves on spreading negativity and being “haters”. It’s cool. Go ahead and waste your time. I must admit I’ll never understand how it’s possible that so many people use the internet as an excuse to be their absolute worst selves. It just doesn’t make sense to me. It’s so fuckin useless. Isn’t there more than enough ugliness in the world without allowing it in what should be entertainment? Allowing it into something as universal as music and art? So damned depressing. Michelle, I have really enjoyed your reactions to Rage, Tool, System, etc… music I grew up on. I’m glad you enjoyed the plot twist here. Reading the comments and watching you throughout, I can’t help but be reminded of children brought to see a artful theatre production and them snickering the whole way thru cuz it doesn’t sound like their favorite radio station. You have your own sense of humor and whatnot… and that’s cool. You’re a pretty funny dude. But I thought channels like this were designed to INTENTIONALLY expose people to things that are DIFFERENT. And appreciate them for what they are. Cuz here’s the bottom line: what this young man is doing in this piece was THE art that was THE IT THING for generations upon generations. A bard. A wandering minstrel, if you will. The whole point IS the story. It’s not supposed to be produced and perfect. It’s absolutely not *supposed to be* something you’d rock out to in your car. You’ve SEEN for yourself that Ren CAN and DOES do many many other styles and genres…and he does them very well. So one must then logically assume that he’s doing this here, this way, entirely on purpose. Example: you’ve seen Disturbed’s singer cover Sounds of Silence? Listening to Disturbed’s original music… the “screaming” and growling and metal sounding voice… it was pretty surprising to many that he had THE PIPES, that he was capable, to do what he did in that cover. People our parents age…people who don’t understand Rock or Metal would likely hear him sing Sounds of Silence and wonder “if he can sing LIKE THAT, why oh why does he do all that screaming and growling all the time??” They assume he sings Metal because that’s all he CAN do. But he does it because HE WANTS TO. He chooses to. It’s the style of his music. It’s the way HE chooses to do HIS art. You could say the same about the singers of System of a Down. And many others. Or people who don’t like Rap music finding out a rapper is a GREAT singer… “why does he Rap then??” Cuz he WANTS to, dummy. That’s his style for his art. To you and me, it seems like a stupid question but people HONESTLY ask that shit. Same applies here. The Tales by Ren are not “poorly executed”. It’s the style precisely as that style should be. The overly exaggerated notes here and there, the use of whatever is around you, the totally untraditional, rapid change ups on the instrument, the theatrical wailing like in the line “Screech, dear boy, WHEEEEEEERE did he go”, the exaggerated body language, etc etc. You said Ren fans ONLY care about the story… again, in this style, the story IS the piece. If it had a traditional beat and perfectly sung notes without emphasis but NO STORY.. it would NOT have been a successful example of this style of art. If it’s not your cup of tea…that’s cool. But don’t get it twisted. It’s NOT poorly executed. It’s an incredibly demanding performance piece done exceptionally well. It would be arrogant to assume that just because we don’t understand something that that means it’s poorly done or it’s wrong. It’s our exposure to and our understanding of the style that is lacking… not the performance. ☮️♥️ Let the shredding begin…. 🤷‍♀️
@Rampage-94
@Rampage-94 5 ай бұрын
11:21 i hate you for being a hater but man you had me laughing so hard. You’re funny 🤣🤣
@myst0307
@myst0307 5 ай бұрын
Reaction of the year right here. We will convert you Michelleshow. It will take time, but it will be done 🔥🔥
@Dazkil
@Dazkil 5 ай бұрын
Great reaction.Loved the end .
@stillninja2741
@stillninja2741 5 ай бұрын
Kujo reaction brought me here. Forgot to comment there so figured I'd bump the algorithm to help others find you. Glad you've converted and welcome to the Renegades.
@stillninja2741
@stillninja2741 5 ай бұрын
Everything Ren does has a purpose.
@michellelevert5128
@michellelevert5128 5 ай бұрын
Hell yeah you’ve made it to the trilogy. Do you identify as a ghost actually made me lol. Your reactions are honest, creative, and funny asf. Thanks for entertaining us.
@justseepa
@justseepa 5 ай бұрын
I have only watch 2 seconds.... I don't care.... Just LOVING the fact that you are reacting man, liked, commented and subscribed no matter if you like it or not 😊 *EDIT1 START OF VIOLET*: We going to be respectful of the audience and listen to the story till the end. (or something of that intent) Yesssss! At this point, this is all I'm hoping for, with you honest take on the songs **EDIT2** Ghost comment is hilarious!! ***EDIT3*** That was entertainment GOLD! Thanks for the reaction! FINAL EDIT: I guess you now understand what the fans were saying about ''storytelling'' 😉
@daelaenor
@daelaenor 5 ай бұрын
Music listeners have discovered plot twists for the first time.
@Michele_Ferguson
@Michele_Ferguson 5 ай бұрын
Ren fan from the US here. Thanks for finishing the song. Check out Seven Sins or Uninvited. Both very different and both are 🔥
@CaseyDawnayy
@CaseyDawnayy 5 ай бұрын
Ohhhh I’m so fucking here for this
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
biggest roller coaster ride ever
@CaseyDawnayy
@CaseyDawnayy 5 ай бұрын
@@MichelleShow the ghost killed me man 😂😂😂
@davidhabgood
@davidhabgood 5 ай бұрын
Enjoyed watching this, just watched another reaction to this and reactor commented "we prefer real to perfection", but I sense you know that is why people feel so connected to, and invested in, Ren
@workingit3055
@workingit3055 5 ай бұрын
Hi Ren and the Tales are not SONGS. I mean they ARE but it's the fact that you're talking about a man with a guitar, telling an impactful story that HE wrote, ON THE STREETS with no edits. Say what you want about execution, but that's TALENT, my guy and that's why we're here for Ren. STRIPPED DOWN he's fucking fantastic - his actual EDITED videos and music are BEYOND incredible. REN IS DIFFERENT! If you're looking for cookie cutter shit that would have played on MTV in my day, you're not likely to get that from Ren, but even if this isn't your style, you have to acknowledge the talent. Takes much more talent to make art than criticize it.
@stephdavis2324
@stephdavis2324 5 ай бұрын
16:52 😂🎉❤❤😂😂 yo man, I don't watch reactions...except urs (and the ren webby react...)I like you 😂😂😂❤✌️
@bactrosaurus
@bactrosaurus 5 ай бұрын
There is a gap of a couple years between the individual tracks and you can notice the quality difference
@mikep83
@mikep83 5 ай бұрын
Respect for working through it all. I do think we look past imperfection but you do have to take into account these are all live one take videos. How many artists can do that and deliver something this good! Peace
@janiendejong8641
@janiendejong8641 5 ай бұрын
Its the shocking ending what makes it all so good😂
@MichelleShow
@MichelleShow 5 ай бұрын
@@janiendejong8641 I like twist like that
@janiendejong8641
@janiendejong8641 5 ай бұрын
Me 2❤​@@MichelleShow
@19851855
@19851855 4 ай бұрын
I'm glad you stuck to the end to experience the story and have that moment explosive moment of surprise, understanding and respect. And it's great to finally see some acceptance of Ren's art, as a whole - aka not just vocals or just lyrics, or just his 'rap' ability. But look, I fully agree with you that the execution throughout can be rough... but you've also gotta remember he is literally performing this thing as a one-take LIVE street performance (not on a set) while doing all of the vocals, instruments, choreography and acting... and it was 2 years ago when he had less experience and hadn't blown up like he has now. That being said, if you don't like the roughness of the live performance, go listen to the studio recordings on Spotify you know?
@greglecig5549
@greglecig5549 5 ай бұрын
That was epic at the end 🎉 Made the whole video worth it - awesome as always 😂
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