5 Reasons I SOLD My 997 Porsche 911 Turbo...and Why I'll Only Buy Air Cooled 911’s From Here On Out

[@truthserum9456]

This was probably the most honest and intelligent KZbin video I have seen . I have owned 3 turbos and many other high performance csrs and could easily relate to everything that you said. Kudos to you for honesty.

[@121GiggawattzRC]

I was thinking similarly... my own future target has shifted from a turbo like this to most likely a 997.2 C2 GTS

[@iOnline72]

20 years from now a man will be telling us the same thing while comparing the then current model to this 2007 911 Turbo

[@js002003]

correct. maybe 10 years from now though!

[@lindamorgan7886]

electric only...

[@nightdriver7216]

The 997.1 are the last cars available in manual, so they'll get enough attention because of that. But it's also the last gen not to exist under the shade of the GT cars. The Porsche fandom changed too much IMO. When I was a teen, the Turbo was the pinnacle, the car to aim for. Now it's the GT3 RS. And this has extended to the appreciation of historical cars. We see the Carrera RS models being "rediscovered" while even the celebrated 993 Turbo is ignored. I like to see Porsche bringing back the 964/993 Carrera RS models to the spotlight, but not at the expense of the Turbos, some of which even more special. Strange times to live in.

[@scottsanders2641]

@@nightdriver7216 Yep, I have an ‘08 997.1 C4S manual w 29k miles. Not sure if I should drive the hell out of it or not since it may be worth more than I paid in 5 years

[@sunnohh]

@@nightdriver7216 Turbo is the rocket ship, RS was for the track, I knew that even when I grew up in the 90s… all porsches are just way more popular now than then

[@doctortruth4094]

This is a classic example of wanting a car that is slow enough to be fun.

[@timholt8369]

I've sold over 120 997.1 Turbos, 100+ 996 Turbos since 2001. Never saw a single one of these cars have the coolant pipes leaking or a spun cam. Some had 30K + miles. Does it happen? Yes. Do GT2's , GT3's and Turbos' all with Mezger motors occasionally have a coolant line partially separate? Yes. Do they all fail? Absolutely not. Do shops love to scare the shit out of owners? Yes.

[@Rennthusiast]

All fair points and I can’t argue with your experience. That said, I have a friend who was driving his 997.1 turbo in the mountains and the coolant lines let loose, spilling coolant under the rear wheels. He lost traction but nothing serious. Car was towed out, obviously.

[@brianhimmelman420]

well said

[@hafidortega5502]

I have a 997.1, seems like an issue is going on with my cam. Getting it fixed now. Not a cheap fix…

[@GaryBrown-j2x]

coolant pipe hard fix the first thing you do. spun cam is rare.

[@tedjohnson64]

Nice video. Jay Leno (on a recent Jay Leno’s Garage episode) said modern cars rev too fast. He likes the sound cars make when... they’re climbing the rev range, but with modern sports cars (especially with automatics and DCT), the revs climb so fast, shift so fast, and have so many gears it’s like “zip! zip! zip! Now you’re in jail.”

[@Rennthusiast]

Couldn’t agree more

[@AshS85]

So if you want a lot of noise and no go, just buy a v8 mustang

[@joetaylor1089]

@@AshS85 Pretty debatable, but they are definitely an option worth pondering. And there is a similar story with newer models producing around 500 plus hp and the older being classics that are desirable.

[@marioashford2057]

I'm crazy and I want everything to be difficult. How does this sound to someone who isn't crazy! The latest 911s are supposed to be fast and the future is supposed to be easier.

[@nightdriver7216]

Surprised Jay said this. I actually agree with him. But I'm not sure we should wish for new cars to be like the old ones. Companies have different priorities. I know a lot of people sing the praises of aircooled Porsches, with reason, because their sound is inimitable and better IMO. But I don't see as many talking about how much better the old Lambos up to the Diablo sound compared to the Audi era cars. The Countach will forever remain the best sounding Lambo V12, especially the carbed quattrovalvole cars. There's no amount of artistry Reggiani can add to his cars' exhaust to change this fact. I'm not sure I'd want to deal with a Countach, though! The Aventador is far more convenient.

[@detonator2112]

My friend had a 992 for over a year. He also has a 993 C4. He sold his 992 and bought another air cooled 1982 G-model 911 to keep his 993 company. Never looked back. These new ones are great cars and much faster than the old ones but they don't have the same feeling and atmosphere in them. They're just too good and digital. And they're BIG compared to old Porsches. It's like back in the day when everyone wanted a quartz watch because they're so accurate but eventually went back to less accurate mechanical watches because they have SOUL. That's what those old cars have. Technically they're not as good... and they lose in acceleration, top speed, everything... but not everything is measured by numbers.

[@rw1592]

I bought a new 992 4s convertible in 2020 bit the loss and gave it back to the dealer 5 months later to replace it with a predecessor 911 convertible, the 991.2 with rear wheel drive and manual. For exactly the reasons you summarise. The 992 could wear a AMG, M, Aston whatever batch, it is one of these modern cars which tick all the right boxes, except the emotional ones.

[@charlybilloir9048]

Totally agree

[@christophercolumbus8944]

what do you thin of a carrera 4s ? ?

[@valdurmagi230]

And also, I don't really like the doors on the new 911s. I like doors with a frame around the glass.

[@ramontapanes1631]

I have the same car and it's always hard to explain to people why I don't drive it as much as my others. You hit the nail right on the head with this video. Now I don't feel like I'm the only one. "For me" great video!

[@royramdeen8864]

Spun crankshaft is the first I heard of. I think people just make too much of these issues, same with the IMS. The percentage of failues are minimal. Great vlog.

[@cjh33023]

I would beg to differ, I had a 2007 997TT and I had failures on both camshafts and the coolant lines blew on me 1 hour after owning the car it was a mess.

[@sutherlacd27]

Camshafts need pinned occasionally. Not common though

[@danielgray3868]

Right? Never heard of this issue

[@crossroadz483]

I did a similar thing with a 997.1 GT3 for which I paid near the top of the market for a beautiful car. I promptly sold it when I realized that I have to track it to drive it as it was designed to drive. However, I then went in a different direction. Instead of going air-cooled, I went to the Boxster platform. I owned a '96 993 for 10 years and since these cars are now 25 years old, they really need a thorough mechanical refurbishment including a top end job on the engine and a suspension refresh. I was probably looking at $30000 or more which is more than I wanted to spend. I originally did not consider a Boxster as I was a bit of a 911 snob. But I have found to really love the Boxster. They are around the same size as a 993 and fly under the radar like the air cooled cars did 20 years ago. I now have a 2011 987 Boxster Spyder which I really enjoy. At this point I would consider adding a modern 911 (thinking 992) but not replacing the Boxster.

[@detonator2112]

@Crossroadz: I just recently drove an early Boxter and what a fun car it was. Absolute joy to drive. And you can get those early one for almst 1/10 of mint air cooled 911 prices. Those are super bargains (for now).

[@scottsanders2641]

I love my ‘08 997.1 Engine issues were sorted out by ‘07 and w 355 HP it’s plenty quick and reliable Don’t mind putting miles on it since it not a GT 3 or Turbo

[@maverics2143]

Good discussion, and a lot of good points made. How you described your 993, as your forever car that you've formed a bond with, is how I feel about my 996tt.. That's why Porsche is an awesome brand- even though they offer fewer models than other car manufacturers, they've manage to create a diverse product portfolio where they offer something for everyone!

[@999NINE99]

Totally makes sense that you sold it. Anxiety over breakdowns and speeding tickets is no fun.

[@davonpointer2310]

All your thoughts are valid, ultimately you have to bond with a car! Looking forward to seeing the 993!

[@jonasrehn9883]

The too fast reason you brought up is why I love the 944, the Miata of its time.

[@PaulLukeBonenfant]

“Maybe a 996” 🧐😏 All I’m saying is 3.4 Carrera has a ~cable throttle~ and is going up in value enough that a midrange example can be driven for free for years to come

[@2702simmo]

💯 And probably more of an old school experience like the air cooled I love my 98 cable throttle no traction control 996 Carrera

[@TerryManitoba]

6 years ago I was looking at a 997 turbo. (I already owned my 993). Of course, it was blisteringly fast. My dealer let me have it for the weekend (right - was he crazy) so I took it. I liking it but with the AWD it just felt not playful enough. I returned it and asked to drive any of their 2 wheel drive 911s and after 2 miles I knew I did not want an AWD 911. Ended up buying a 07 GT3 - took the long way back from Toronto (4k miles). Still own and love both. Great Channel Great content.

[@itisaporsche]

Two years ago I sold (regret) my 95 993. I do miss it. My 991.2 is wonderful. But I miss entering the 993 and taking in the smell of oil and old leather.

[@rongreen8485]

I've owned 3 Porsches, 71 914, 79 SC, 99 996. I enjoy driving all of these cars, the best driver is the 996 in my opinion. I've been a mechanic 42 years do my own maintenance and knock on wood all 3 cars drove them no problems. Sold them for a little more than I bought them. Blessed to have the opportunity to experience the ultimate driving machine.

[@Frd4Lf]

Do you like the 997s?

[@stevensel]

Very thoughtful comments, I’m on my 4th 911, 996 thru 991.1 and am currently working on getting a 992. Never had the opportunity to own an air cooled one. But I certainly can appreciate the visceral response of driving a more responsive vehicle! How ever many of us are into cruising around!

[@MTLJack]

I absolutely love my 996 turbo. I can just stare whole day by doing nothing. It doesn’t have the luxury and sound isolation of the 997. The 996 turbo is loudddd and I have stock exhaust hahaha! You can hear all the mechanical noises in the car !! Thank you for sharing your experience on the 997!

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks for watching 🙏🏽

[@paulrobinson272]

Air cooled sound so good: not a huge car (as later 911’s are) and just a lovely drive

[@Mingstroem]

I can 100% follow your thoughts. Good decision. I‘m interessted what will come next. Grettings from Porsches home base Germany.

[@pauldarby1815]

That's why i have a 2009 997.2 C2S PDK & Sport Plus is more than enough for the public roads but in Standard or Sport Mode it is simply the most worthwhile car for any occasion. Every mile is a Smile :-)

[@rennaissance911]

A buddy of mine linked me to your video because I went through this almost a decade ago. I sold my 2008 997.1tt because I never felt connected to it. Exhilarating? Yes... In the same way a good Rollercoaster ride can be, but once I leave the theme park I'm not necessarily planning my next visit right away. I own an X51 equipped 40 Jahre 911 that brings me all the emotions I was lacking during my Turbo ownership. Thank you for sharing (and perfectly articulating) your experience! Helped me realize it isn't just me...!

[@howardweir3112]

Well presented and reasoned. I have a 2009 Turbo cab manual that it is far and away the best of the 4 Porsches I have owned. But my 1993 RS America was a lot more fun to drive. My 997 Turbo which I have had tuned to increase the HP is too much car for me to truly enjoy since I am not tracking it. Nonetheless I think I will keep it a while longer.

[@PauloSantos-rm1mt]

Same happened to me. Bought a 997 Carrera S, had the same thoughts as you, sold it, now I am about to move to 993 Carrera S, my final Porsche. Just love the old spirit, the purity of driving, the old school, the pristine sound etc etc

[@davidking8255]

Really interesting video. I have a 79 sc Targa that I have owned since 81 and purchased a 2003 996 Turbo last year. I had expected to fall in love with the Turbo, sell the SC and never look back, but they are so different that i'm keeping both for now. The day to day usability of the old car makes it easier to hop in and drive without worries. In the turbo, I find myself waiting to find safe spots for a few stolen seconds of "oh my god, this thing is fast" on boost acceleration, Vs. being able to wind the Targa out, without constant fear of blue lights or upsetting my fellow drivers. The Turbo can be driven in a docile fashion, but the constant temptation is there, as is a slight disappointment if the drive does not have an adrenaline rush. The urge to always get that rush (and the associated anxiety) may diminish with more miles, but pushing a sub 200 HP car hard does have its charms. My thinking is that the Turbo will be an incredible HPDE track car and mine is high enough miles (pinned coolant lines) to not worry about the investment side of things and much safer on the track than a car that is pushing past 40 years old.

[@pye007]

Crazy to sell it. Of course its FAST. That's why you buy one. Worrying about things that might go wrong is daft - bulletproof Mezger engine, I've had my modified 996 turbo for 7 yrs without an issue. I think you need a 997 GT3!

[@pye007]

Previously I've had two air cooled 911's. Been driving Porsches for 45 yrs! They are more fun and more involving, but for the pure adrenaline rush of speed and safe handling you cant beat the modern turbo. Mod it up and you can make it a more involving and exciting drive. I'll get a 997 GT3 in the next few yrs, but its not ideal, as a daily driver in town!

[@neilfisher7999]

I understand where you are coming from. Having a lot of money invested in a car that is so nice you're afraid to drive it is a dilemma. Porsches are made to be driven, and I think the lesser expensive ones that aren't necessarily perfect are more fun because you really enjoy the driving experience. I can also understand having a car that is too fast. That can get you into trouble. I would recommend, if you do get another non air cooled car, get a Boxster or Cayman. Totally different driving experience with the mid engine, but I find they are incredibly fun and far less expensive. The other thing is, they are smaller in size more like an older 911. The new 911 has gotten so big it has lost a lot of charm the earlier cars have.

[@edwardapostolides5360]

You articulated very well but even though I'm not an air cool fan I completely understand where your coming from. Thank you as well for sharing your content, it's really appreciated.

[@OliverHoffmannDesign]

I really appreciate your insights into this- I recently drove a Cayman GTS at PEC Atlanta and had a similar experience: it's a fantastic car that would probably get me in trouble on the street because it's relatively bland at low speeds. As cars get continually heavier and more powerful, it will be the lighter sportscars of the past that we treasure the most.

[@checkmate1996]

I have 2015 981S manual 6 speed NA. 330HP for the street is a sweet spot and it performed great on the track. Fast enough to get in out of the corners but not so powerful you lose control.

[@hitfoods1726]

He definitely loves the air cooled much better. The 997’s definitely don’t give you a insulated feeling. In fact, they’re known for the feedback compared to the 991’s snd 992’s. Your a air cooled guy which is super cool.

[@Rennthusiast]

Think I'm insane for buying such a great car, then dumping it? Tell me in the comments!

[@allanlai_]

Forums are a double edged sword!

[@Rennthusiast]

You got that right 😄

[@cwaizmann]

I have owned a low mile 997 Turbo (09) for over 5 years. I paid a premium for likely one of the best examples out there. It's a special car to me and one that is really a blast to drive. While I don't put a lot of miles on her, I do enjoy it. My current stable is similar to yours: 1984 Carrera all stock, 1998 Carrera S all stock, 2007 911 GT3 and 2009 Turbo. I get your reasons for selling. I would seriously consider a 996 GT3. It's faster than most air cooled but also raw. A long nose hot rod is another great option and something I would like to eventually add if I had the room.

[@justinmckinlay]

@@Rennthusiast I’m on the cusp of making my first 911 purchase after 10 years of ownership in my mind! I appreciated the well-done video. I take my kids to that professional park to ride bikes all the time.

[@Rennthusiast]

Glad I could help. Thanks for watching the vid and for the feedback. 🙏🏽

[@jeffarcher400]

You want the best. You know what it is. Then when you get it you realize half the fun was having something you don't worry about. As I looked down at my old 911 from the top of the mountain I realized that it didn't belong left all alone in the wild. I kept her going through rain,snow with tire chains, going to Mexico, letting friends learn to drive stick,dirt roads to camping and salty fog surf mornings. Maybe she should be in a museum,safe. Just one more mountain road...and a track day.

[@JustinLee993]

Maybe not immediately, but I think you can give watercool another try via a base Carrera or Carrera S

[@henryzeisler8280]

Air Cooled ‘‘tis the “Way to go!” Had a 914 2.0 with a 2.7 liter clutch assembly to keep me from blowing the clutch because I had a scuba tank in rear trunk, a switch to turn it on and a 1964 Chevy automatic kick-down switch to spray No2 into the engine!

[@john_dee1431]

Really good breakdown on what draws us to cars in the first place.

[@bossboyritchno1685]

I’ve had my 992 GT2RS for nearly two years now and I use it 3 days a week with trips to the Nurburgring and silverston on multiple occasions.. it gets driven hard and it just keeps performing time after time..the only thing that’s ever went wrong was a crack in one of the manifolds which was quickly replaced by Porsche free of charge.. by far one of the most solid reliable “high performance” cars I’ve ever owned! 💯 although my old 997 GT3 was the probably the best “daily driver/track car” I ever owned..

[@allanlai_]

I sold mine too, it was a tip. I still do a double take every time I see one pass by, but I don’t really miss driving it. I replaced it with a manual 996 C2, which I had much more fun with. I recently got a 964 C2 manual, first aircooled model I’ve every owned. It’s such a visceral experience. I still love the 996, but 964 is on a different level.

[@Rennthusiast]

964 is the star right now. Congrats on owning one. I am kind of considering looking for one but they’re just so high and tough to find right now.

[@ftlaud911]

Very honest feedback on your Turbo ownership. All points were spot on. Been on that journey and thought process. Coolant issue is on all 996 turbo, 996 gt3, 997 turbo, and 997 gt3 cars. The epoxy will eventually let loose. Bad design. Only a matter of time. 996 non metzger have IMS. The air cooled cars also have issues prior to 3.2. After then they are very reliable. What they have in spades is mojo. Body is solid and easy to work on. The bonus is you can wind em out without going to jail instantly. With exhaust they sound phenomenal. Plus you get to smell them. One negative is the AC gets worse as you go back in time. In summer heat you will be sweating. Why all air cooled car videos show the windows down. Also a huge negative is they cost a ton to fix if you have an engine problem you cant fix. Part of the risk, but the driving experience is well worth it.

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks for the good amount of info, and I agree on all fronts. I have spent many hours with the windows down in my air cooled cars during the summer for the reasons you mention. Meanwhile, I view being hot while driving them as part of the experience so I don’t even mind sweating and being hot when I’m in them. On some level it’s just part of the experience. My 86 does have upgraded AC, though. It does help. I’ll just use my dailies (landcruisers) for dinner runs and errands with my wife and save the air cooled cars for solo driving. Thanks for watching!

[@NSXavier997]

09:47 - 100% FACTS. That’s why I love my 997 Turbo. The bond with the car.

[@mxwlj6974]

I did the same thing. Sold my 08 turbo manual and picked up a 73T AKA the Maus. Never looked back.

[@SF_Native]

So you paid top dollar for a car, but then didn't want to drive it often because it was 'too nice'? Then you stressed off things happening to it that didn't even happen yet? The coolant line issue tends to only happen when you run it hard on the track. ---- I recently picked up a 997 RS, low miles. I intend to drive it. A LOT. I could care less about resale value, rock chips, things that "could* happen or that's it's too nice to drive enough to enjoy it. That's why I bought it in the first place! To each their own.

[@Rennthusiast]

Correct. I intended to drive it some, but not as much, as my air cooled. This wasn’t the only reason, mind you, but a contributing one. If I loved it as much as I had hoped I would have driven the hell out of it but given that I was already thinking about exiting the car I couldn’t bring myself to put miles on it. On to the next one. The coolant lines on my friend’s 997.1 turbo failed catastrophically on a spirited mountain run. Not a drip, but a full failure. Scary stuff as he could have lost traction at speed when this happened. He had to be towed out. So, it can’t happen off the track also.

[@SF_Native]

@@Rennthusiast Understood. I just think cars meant to be driven. I'm not a glass case kind of guy. I also have a 996 that I drive hard, literally every time I'm in it. No IMS issues, still on the original one. Stressing off it will not change the fact whether or not a failiure will happen. It sounds like in your case you just enjoyed your air cooled 911s more being that they had high miles already it made you feel guilty about driving the 997 since it was a low mileage car. Either way, enjoy the 911s, old or new. Cheers mate.

[@Rennthusiast]

I don’t know that “guilt” is the right word. It’s more about devaluing a car I don’t love. The idea of parting with money on something that doesn’t bring me joy like my air cooled cars do. Make no mistake, I am a HUGE believer that these cars need to be driven and that what I’ll own from here on out: 911’s that I LOVE to drive. Even as I’m writing this I am clarifying my thinking that the turbo represented money (and the potential loss of money) vs my air cooled cars representing the joy I experience when I drive the hell out of them. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏼

[@SF_Native]

@@Rennthusiast you got it. Keep putting out the content. Looking forward to your 993 build.

[@kubanaltan]

I wanted to have a 911 turbo, since my E36 M3 days (adding turbos to NA engine). This year, I finally have one 997 turbo. I was with the same problem "Garage Queen", so I bought a high mileage car with no accidents, so I don't have to worry putting more kilometers on it. I drive it almost everyday, except extreme rain. I hit the throttle pedal everyday fully. 997tt is the only car I want to drive, now I have my S3 8P as a backup car and also for rainy days. I am sort of happy with the stock power of it, but don't love the stock suspension, front is not handling well on uneven surface, so I need to fix suspension first. Perhaps with Ohlins R&T coilovers. If I get the traction and stability on highway, I will opt for more power. I live in Turkey and ES Motor is here. So ir is the way to go... Perhaps I will stay on a ES850 kit as a daily driver. So I want and can use the power, so why not do it? A car with extra power is always nice, you can change the map, and use less boost, if you want lower its power. So I would want the highest possible power with daily driver comfort and stability.

[@kam1996]

Refreshing to see honest opinions and insights Vs all the instagram-rich boasting some I see on most channels. Good on you!

[@Rennthusiast]

Thank you man 🙏🏽

[@JeffKgn1]

Another great video. Really appreciate the candor. I could not agree more with the power/speed factor. Manufacturers keep making cars more and more powerful and there is nowhere on public roads that you can enjoy it. I had a very fast car 10 yrs ago and got 6 pts on my license in 18 mos. Finally worked them off and not going down that path again. Like you, I'd rather work for the speed

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks. Not always easy to jump in front of a camera and lay it out there so I am glad it landed with you. Thanks for watching.

[@justinshavolian4166]

do you think he was deep into the car financially? idk

[@fluffyassassin]

It's been a while since I was deep into anything so i say good luck to him 😂😂

[@jdchipstkr]

Had the same car in blue with 50k miles, got it at a great price but had to deal with the coolant lines within 1k miles and had some other small issues and got out of it break even. #2 didn't really apply to me but other then that this list is spot on. Found myself wanting another one for some reason but this reminded me of how I felt about it, I do miss the rush of 40-60 in second gear though.

[@rpm-qv7rw]

Glad you mentioned the 996. I was going to suggest that to you as it is the best of both worlds (air-cooled and water-cooled).

[@jonconnor2065]

What if Porsche went completely off the rails and built another air cooled porsche with today’s technology🤷🏻‍♂️

[@conorhughes4910]

I'm not sure your idea of today's technology is the same as the rest of us on this timeline.

[@dannynevada9880]

If money is not an issue you can jam everything from an Gt2rs into an G body! That would be cool!

[@mylifewithporsche]

One word - Singer

[@whymaniawhy]

It would look like a Singer, perhaps

[@rudyyarbrough5122]

I had a 930 turbo for a few years and loved it. It was a very visceral experience to drive it and feel the turbo come on along with the noise. I can understand the loss of that connection with any car that is newer and more insulated. I also learned that all Porsches are catastrophes waiting to happen. They are right up there with Ferraris as far as the cost of mechanics goes and the thought of damaging one while driving it was too much for me.

[@randymcclanahan5087]

I really appreciated these comments. After watching, I lowered the top on my 981 Boxter S (manual of course) and took a spirited but leisurely drive. I don't have to break the law to enjoy my Porsches. (I have had seven, and am expecting another in October.) I also really like the idea of only buying cars that I will use. It's just who I am. A driver, not a collector. You have given us a lot to think about with your honesty! Thanks!

[@jsonli]

Was expecting some clickbait or typical disingenuous “why I hate the car” type content, but found this very heartfelt, relatable, and well thought out. Thanks

[@beautifulfouse]

The 997 Turbo is an Extreme Vehicle that Porsche had in mind for Extreme people who are very experienced drivers. If you were not a champion go cart driver as a child, do not buy this car, you could be widowing someone you love more than cars. I have had many models of Porsche and my absolute best favorite is my 1972 911s, it is fast but less than half as dangerous due to a expected and designed power curve for the street. Public roads, any country you go to are not anything near F 1 or other race tracks, unless you are a super driver do not buy a super car. I lived in Hanau, Germany for years, I saw more spun 997s than VW Beatles, they have rich inexperienced drivers in Germany too, but most are better drivers than anywhere else to include Italy.

[@gerardov.9716]

Can't wait until you unveil that beautiful 993.

[@Blrmkr]

The Porsche experience is an ongoing, personal journey. We like a lot of them, but some really speak to us. I had a beautiful, low mileage 996TT. I really liked the look and the quickness when the twin screws spooled up took your breath away. I decided, like you, that it could get away from you and really yearned for that NA, linear acceleration experience. My 95 C4 and the 18 GT3 Touring check the boxes for me.

[@cjh33023]

I had a 2007 997TT from 2014-2017 and I had both camshafts spin on me. Thankfully I had an extended warranty on the car otherwise it would have costed me almost $20k to repair. I sold the car soon after I had both repaired. Everyone said that this car was bullet proof but my car stayed in the shop. I also had the coolant lines blow on me 1 hour after I bought the car.

[@Rennthusiast]

Yes there are unfortunately lots of stories about this. Part of the reason, as I said, I decided to sell. Didn’t love the car enough to absorb this risk and cost.

[@sutherlacd27]

After fixing the cams and coolant lines you were golden. Nothing else really fails

[@smote911]

Certainly made some good points on why you sold. Honestly, even with your video content I never felt that car was as loved as the other 2. I don't blame you one bit. I own 2 air cooled Porsches myself and as I peruse videos and literature, I'm always drawn to anything air-cooled. They make my heart do the pitter patter! Stephanie in Georgia

[@Rennthusiast]

I’ll tell you another reason I knew the car wasn’t for me: I always procrastinated when it came time to do a video on it, whether it was a video on buying the car, my thoughts on the car, etc. I just couldn’t get excited. I do hope I’m not coming across as bashing these amazing machines. I basically learned in a very expensive way that I’m air cooled through and through 😂 Thanks for watching 👍🏼

[@eyesurgeon69]

That's why I enjoy my 981 2.7, which has about the same power as your 993. Enough to be fun and still keep your license.

[@dougskinner419]

Good video and explanation of why you sold it. I'd agree with you on 4 out of the 5 reasons. Certainly they are too fast to really be able enjoy on our streets. If you lived in Germany and could get on the Autobahn regularly...completely different story.

[@stanleylaurel6873]

I own a 1989 930 Turbo Cab, a 2008 turbo 997 cab, and a 2007 997 turbo coupe. I drive all. I love each one in a special way. I think they are all for me depending in my driving mood. I am so glad I have these three.

[@Krnnerdboy]

Im on the opposite spectrum, had 3 993s and they were too slow for my competitive character. I loved the drive but i love power, but also balance. Owned 2 997tts and 3 996tt and a 997gt3. Had all the issues you explained on spun cam shaft on 997.1tt and blown coolant lines on all my mezgers. Currently down to a 996 4.0 street cup build, 996 tt cab k24 billets and a 991gt3rs for my porsches. All of them give completely different experiences...i love my 911's

[@danihellz]

“Maybe a 996” 🤔

[@bigd5899]

Better not...

[@DrBilly90210]

4:20 It's not you, it's me..... LOL When I got the sports car bug, I test drove a 981 Spyder and a 991 Turbo S. Realized right away that there was no way I was going to get anywhere near unlocking the potential of a Turbo S with what I planned on doing with the car ("spirited" drives on the twisty country roads where I live). I also noticed that the Spyder put a much bigger smile on my face than the Turbo S. With cars like these, if you're not "feeling it", it's time to move on.

[@samaccurso]

This is why I drive a 98' car out of almost anything else I can own out there, it's just that feeling of connecting.

[@kurtgrosse7983]

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[@stephengomolka9798]

I own a 03 996TT but i've alway been a Honda guy and enjoy driving slow cars fast. Point #1 hits home! My TT is a tiptronic and it's eats up roads very quickly. It's deceptively fast and you can cruise at a buck 20 (down in mexico) and it feels like you're standing still. I enjoy driving slow cars fast (my integra gsr is as much fun to drive as my TT !! )

[@matharris7673]

So agree with ALL your points why you sold the 997. Been there too! 😂

[@Rennthusiast]

Painful lessons but oh well. I can now say I owned one. In the meantime I have already started looking around at the classifieds. It’s a sickness 😄

[@godspeed6315]

@@Rennthusiast get I’m looking into 997 c4S myself , are you saying I should leave it and go for 993’s? Btw you resemble to Joseph Gordon levitt 😄

[@johnshanklin6633]

I’ve got a 987.2 cayman that I am incredibly emotionally connected to. I saw you had a 981 cayman for a bit, but the 987.2 is a much more raw experience that you might enjoy. The 987.2 R is peak 987 that you should consider trying before abandoning water cooled cars for good. Also your comment that all Porsches have big problems might not be true for 2009-2011 caymans and 911s which are post IMS and post bore score. And bonus, they are the last models with hydraulic steering. They are also relatively affordable so you might surprise yourself if you try one, and you won’t have to worry about residuals, just enjoy the remarkable experience!

[@Rennthusiast]

I agree mostly with you about the 997.2. It’s still susceptible to bore scoring and unfortunately the prices have jumped up it seems just in the past few months. Great cars though. My first 911 was an 09 C4S.

[@stevek913]

Really glad I tuned into this story. I have a really nice 85 coupe and have given thought to 997 Turbo or 4S. In the end, what I have ( all original paint, interior, 64k miles) is tough to replace and a very fun ride. As always, thanks for your insight and sharing your stories.

[@detonator2112]

@Steve K: Never sell your 1985 coupe. Never ever. Those air cooled will always be super desirable compared to anything else.

[@y0057]

I can absolutely relate with you on all pointers. My brother and I had exactly same reasons for parting with ours. He had same 997 turbo when new I had the Carrera. He hated the lack of engagement as did I, he sold his promptly got a G- wagon amg 5.5, tried a Panamera Turbo again still did not like it sold at and now has a Brabus G- Wagon, sounds mean as hell, I sold my 997 cause I just did not gel with the car got my 993 and been happy every since. Both cars are keepers. So totally get you and good luck with your next purchase. 👍🏾

[@gwos999]

Thank you for this video ! I am getting my first 911 and I was deciding between a modern era 911 and a 1986 . I ended up picking the 1986 . I am picking it up tomorrow. So exited !

[@Rennthusiast]

You’re gonna love it. #aircooled4life

[@jattilah]

There is a water-cooled Porsche with a soul. It's called the 996 GT3. If you want something analog, raw, and engaging, you should check out one of these.

[@WanderingFriar]

You’re probably right but I would have given it time to bond. In Guards Red, it just looks delicious. My absolute favourite dream 911 is the 997.2 Turbo in Red or Speed Yellow… a guy can dream. Also, no modern 911 for me. The latest would be a 991 Gen 1. Nothing newer. Currently 981 BGTS.

[@kevincline4119]

Bruh....bruh...I love this video. I finally bought my dream car (06 997 911) and now suddenly, I want to go backwards. The more classic, the better. Mine is a 997.1 bought from a Porsche dealer in Tysons, but suddenly I'm in love with the older more classic models. Now I have to build another garage! Keep the vids coming!

[@joelrogers7413]

I purchased a 2001 911 (996) with 28k miles 3 years ago. I change my own oil and inspect the oil filter. It is a driver and I do not concern myself with the ims. I is an affordable 911 6 speed manual cabriolet. I expect a Porsche to have expenses. So far so good at 45k now. I am not afraid to push it. Just buy and enjoy them. I do not care about resale.

[@reroyals4206]

I bought a 2001 996 with 100,000miles 6 speed with unknown history and I beat the crap out of it every time I drive it and have room. No ims done.

[@rennkitllc6800]

Had many Porsches, but most recently a 964 C4. What a dog... wanted something with acceleration. Sold it and got into a 996 C4S, it was exhilarating, but I was worried about the engine. Then acquired a clean 996 turbo which led to the creation of Rennkit with our eRam Kit to permanently fix the Rube Goldberg hydraulic wing mechanism. Far faster and a lot of fun on the track. This led to adding two 997 turbo coups, a .1 and a .2. Lately I’ve added a 996 cabrio and really am enjoying my first convertible.

[@The_guy_on_the_internet]

"My car is too fast". Man.... that's the kind of problem I'm too broke to understand

[@jeff346]

Too fast ? Makes me wants it even more lol

[@paulnajoan8522]

I really appreciate your perspective on getting a modern Turbo and your reasons for letting it go. I have a 1997 993 C2, and I am an air cooled Porsche guy through and through, but I have often considered getting a water-cooled Porsche to add to the stable, maybe even a Turbo. However, I was not sure how much I would enjoy it or even if I would. Your 5 reasons really gave me something to think about, especially regarding paying top dollar for a garage queen and how you like to use your cars. Thanks!

[@scottsanders2641]

I love my 08 C4s. Plenty fast but not ridiculously fast. Happy medium between the air cooled NA and water cooled Turbos

[@NathanDean79]

A 2010 or 2011 Porsche Carrera S is the absolute perfect car. I like the turbos too. In the 997.2 they started using direct injection engines. No IMS problems with these engines. They are pretty bulletproof.

[@Rennthusiast]

Yes, the DFI engines are mostly solid. Note scoring is still an issue as I recall?

[@II-hx9tw]

2:30… What do you mean it goes too fast? You know what you bought right?! That bright red screams look at me, especially by cops.

[@DextahPC]

Very fair point of view. To summarize, it sounds like it was too much car for you to financially handle and because of that, it caused you a lot of stress. People forget there's a difference between having enough money to purchase the car and being able to afford to drive it. Lord knows I can't do either.

[@andrewmorrell1262]

Great video - Thank you! I totally understand what you mean by ‘connecting’ with a car. Every time I drive my 997.1 C4S it just feels special. The only downside to your videos is that they make me want an air cooled car even more than I already did!!

[@Rennthusiast]

Lol thanks for watching

[@zoner__]

I have a 991 and can relate. Currently looking for a 1977 Rabbit as a driver.

[@scotdoc]

I’ve had my 997 TT 1.5 for nearly 6 years. Wonderful car. Savagely fast, incredible handling. It’s a supercar, not just a sports car. A 911 and then some!

[@cantu916761]

From a fan of Prosches and not an owner. I think the exhaust note and hp/weight ratio is something you can't replicate. Can't wait to see what you get next.

[@Rennthusiast]

No need to wait. Here’s what I replaced it with. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnusgqhvntOch7c

[@PixelPusher1]

This is like when you're at a car meet and tryin to figure out what kind of car person someone is, your #4 and 5 are the kind of thing you hope to hear 👌

[@oscardriver]

These 997 are such light cars. Even the S Feels just perfect a bit under 400 hp

[@NKPGarage]

I totally agree with your decision to sell based on the quality of the car and how immaculate it was. I've done that twice over the years with two different cars and ended up in the same situation. Much better to just let somebody else enjoy it for what it is versus letting it sit in the garage. Great video by the way. Love your content

[@Rennthusiast]

Thank you. Really appreciate that

[@maxmartz4665]

We bought a 2019 Boxster and love it. The car is used daily in 9 months of NC summer. I enjoy driving the back roads to work. It is a great way to start and end the day. We find the Boxster fits our lifestyle. Looking for a Caymen to track.

[@carterames7214]

I had the same exact feeling about my 996 turbo. Never fell in love. My 993 is so much more enjoyable.

[@2702simmo]

My mates just said the same about his new 996 turbo he prefers my 996 Carrera and believes it offers more of the Porsche 911 experience

[@franzvaclavik4639]

You sold the best engine Porsche ever built, these Mezger will go up in price. Greetings from Austria.

[@Rennthusiast]

I’ll agree they’ll continue to appreciate. My personal opinion - and I may be wrong - is that the Mezger isn’t a great as it’s reputed to be. Coolant line failures and the possibility of having to repair a spun camshaft for $12,500 aren’t features of a “great” motor

[@ronn878]

"Car Forums." I compare them to national news/entertainment. 10% news and 90% entertainment- not necessarily true. "Breaking News!! Your IMS,RMS,REM,ACDC,LOL about to blow up. Stay tuned. " Great video.

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks 😂

[@ray11140]

I can connect with what you are saying regarding the Turbo. I sold a mint 1984 Porsche 911 3.2 Carrera for exactly the same reasons. Furthermore, I loved the car, but I ended up not wanting to drive it for fear of devaluing the vehicle. I recently started looking for another, but the cost of these have gone through the ceiling. It's a love, hate thing.

[@heyyitsandy]

I’ve had aircooled’s and now have a 997, and while they are different, I really do enjoy the driving experience on both…. That said, I think 997 is as new as I can go. Your 5th point is the real driver for me though…. if it ain’t love - nothing else matters. Your gbody looks amazing, by the way

[@Rennthusiast]

Thank you

[@joemartino6976]

Good stuff. A long time ago, I owned a 1973 911T that I purchased when it was three years old. I now find myself in the fortunate position to afford a new 911, however, given the choice, i would love to have that 911T again....for most of the reasons you outlined.

[@shawncollins5259]

Thanks for the reality. Just bought a 76 air-cooled 911 Turbo cup car. Race built track only. Had just finished building 01 Boxster S. A little fear factor with the rear engine. I understand your nuances. Thanks

[@skeezix64]

If this guy had bought a MY99 Carrera 2 coupe that was hand assembled in 1998 on alternating days with the final year of the 993, and experienced the true bridge between the air cooled 911s and every liquid cooled digital lady-driver-friendly 911 that followed, I think he would have fallen in love with it. Maybe he’ll get one some day and see.

[@mrkeepingitreal4927]

see when you said its too fast made me want it even more

[@TrackMonkey327]

I get it! Two comments: 1. I get the speed factor. That's why Mazda Miatas are so popular. Chaep, reliable, engaging, and not that fast. 2. Having a pristine car sucks. Out of all the cars that I've owned, the ones I most enjoyed were cars that were not perfect. They had dings, scratched paint, and showed "patina". So less stressful owning a car like that than a pristine one that you're afraid of getting a paint chip.

[@overbuiltlimited]

As someone just finishing up a very nice Rasant twin spark (3.5L long stroke) set up and big brake conversion on my 89; I can totally identify with being upside down on the on paper worth and not caring. This is the car that I’ve always wanted and I’m never selling, so why not mod it to be even better. I had to rebuild the engine anyway. Yes, I could have bought a late model 911, and I did consider it, but they just don’t have the direct feel that the 89 does. Aircooled is the only way to go.