Reparations | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter [The Glenn Show]

[@exponent8562]

Wonderful conversation as always. None of us would complain if y’all doubled the frequency of these chats going forward 😎

[@johnhall2009]

Glenn and John are a national treasure. These two men are frighteningly articulate, educated and brave examples of exactly what all races and socio-economic strata should hold up as benchmarks to reach for. I’m a relatively educated 50 yr old white male and I wish I had one of these men in my life growing up (and now!). Thank you both for taking the time to educate and discuss these hot button issues, on this platform, so all that might have want can be enriched. You fearlessly speak your truth and miraculously feed a hunger I didn’t know I had! In a world that is satisfied by a shallow feast of generalized myopic and unuseful “Twinkie” political talking points, you are a kings banquet of food for actual thought. Bravo gentlemen... Bravo!

[@doctorich]

It's always a treat to get the notification that the good doctors Loury & McWhorter are having a chat.

[@Ugoogolizer]

Absolutely! Puts a smile on my face

[@UndrState]

amen

[@peaceharmony4115]

Agreed! I love listening to these two public intellectuals having a chat.

[@timhallas4275]

My great, great, great grandfather brought his daughter and 3 young sons to America in 1850. In 1861 his three sons enlisted in the Union army, and fought a war to stop slavery. One of those brothers suffered and died in a Confederate prison. The other two made it back home after the war was over. When I hear talk that I or my family may have to be taxed to pay for reparations for slavery, and that money doesn't go to the sons or daughters of slaves, but to the last three generations of black Americans who have already cost my country several trillion dollars in welfare and other social services directed to black people only, the years of favoritism in college admissions, and the tremendous cost of the crimes they commit, including 140 billion per year to house them in prisons,, it weakens my compassion for my fellow human being. Equality has been mandated by law, and we, as a country have paid that damn debt, that wasn't ours to begin with. I never hear a black American complaining about the black Africans who sold his ancestors into slavery. Why is that.. Why do black Americans seek brotherhood with the Africans. They are not your brothers. They are not your kin. How many black Americans do you know who have no Caucasian blood at all. You are not African-American. I am not European-American... We are both American.. Born here. raised here, by Americans.

[@23VMB]

Well said... very well said.

[@timhallas4275]

@@23VMB Sometimes the words come easy, cause the message is from the heart. Thanks.

[@joseph2ne]

My attitude about it has been to pay them out to anyone who thinks they deserve them so that we can let it go and we can all move on. But listening to you too has convinced me that it will not solve anything. Thank you both for these conversations.

[@ChollieD]

I think reparations are like a mirage: they look good from a distance but up close the goodness fades away. It would be better if we took our obligations to our fellow Americans in the present day really seriously, and worked until we solved the despair associated with being poor. Not having money shouldn't make you helpless and hopeless, not in a _great_ country. Both urban blights and rust belt small towns deserve our attention. Why? These are our countrymen, our fellow Americans!

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

You want to blame anything for that? Blame finantialization for not only the urban blight and the destruction of the middle class, but also the destruction of the US economy to the point it requires bailing out by the fed just to keep the whole thing going.

[@davidstamper89]

These guys are so interesting they should have wayyyyyyy more views

[@Low_commotion]

It'll never happen, but you've got my vote for the Glenn & John show.

[@philibusters]

That would be cool, but I feel like John has a popular podcast, Lexicon Valley ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iISrZWt7lJKrhqM

[@BreaksFast]

@@philibusters Not John's podcast, he is just the current host.

[@soulblack621]

People like you thought slavery would never end.

[@Low_commotion]

@@soulblack621 Touche! I suppose I am being too cynical lol.

[@JO-fp2nt]

If we want change, we need more conversations like these, educated people discussing alternative narratives to what the standard paradigm is.

[@kamala80]

John McWhorter is right. There are millions of "Clarences." Black Americans, many of us, have regressed due to our own volition. For the record I am a Black American man.

[@saiello2061]

I see you don't refer to yourself as an "African American"...? Do you feel it's necessary to advertise the fact that you're a black man by saying you're a black American? Is there an advantage to calling yourself a black American as opposed to just an "American"? Just asking out of interest...

[@djsec7207]

Exceptionally astute points being made here. I always appreciate the conversations and gain essential perspective on important topics. Thanks for taking the time to share your ideas.

[@benkakanfo1577]

fantastic show. May I suggest, as an immigrant from the African Middle-class, that we take the "generational class" of the Asian immigrants into consideration when evaluating the class from which they come. Immigrants often end up a class or two lower in the new country, but still with an inherent understanding of class expectations.

[@MindsetMatterswithSandra]

Awesome conversation! I've been a fan of Mr. McWhorter for years, but now a new fan of Mr. Loury.

[@benjaminperez969]

Prof. Loury, I was wondering if (indeed, hoping that) you'd have Andrew Yang (Yang2020) on The Glenn Show, to talk about his run for U.S. President & especially his "Freedom Dividend" idea (à la UBI). He's had some good interviews (e.g., Freakonomics Radio), but I'd like to see him have talk with you, for I'm sure that the Qs you'd ask would require him to provide deeper As.

[@supitschillbro]

He has, it'll work better if you email the campaign and say how much you'd like Andrew to go on Loury's show

[@christianleblanc2842]

Probably the best time I spend online is listening to Glenn and John.

[@benjamingeyer8907]

Thanks for posting this video. I have been on McWhorter kick. Such an inspiration.

[@erynlasgalen1949]

You too? Same with me.

[@AMikeStein]

Same. Although I'm late to this party. lol, but I came across John a few weeks ago and I find myself searching for more videos. And not just his videos on racial inequality and other topics, but his English and language videos as well.

[@nancy6487]

I LOVE these two amazing brilliant men with honest and huge voce I f reason!!! Why are you gentlemen NOT on the main line media outlets??you’ve taught this 70+ y/o immigrant from Africa a TON!! God bless you & all you do - disseminating truth & information with facts.

[@Guedingen]

What a treat it is to listen to you two.

[@valencia4215]

Glenn could swim intellectual circles around Einstein and yet will probably never be internationally known. An absolutely brilliant thinker!

[@travisray2934]

Maybe it's more like they could trade punches, Einstein is ubiquitous with stunning genius for a reason lol but I agree, Glenn is great and definitely an underpreccitated intellectual.

[@bhbluebird]

I always like listening to these guys.

[@terranis100]

The difference is the unwillingness of the younger generation to continue freely giving support to political candidates. Demanding something tangible to be brought to the table by our terms

[@user-ik5ze1sh7i]

Sure the concept of why is it so easy for the Democrats to get the black vote, until that question is answered nothing will change in black environments because the cycle will just continue, that's not an easy conversation to have because it requires acknowledging personal responsibility for allowing your vote to not mean anything.

[@thickFruitJuice]

$50,000 x 20 million black adults = $1 Trillion. Unfortunately I fear that after receiving 50k things won't change much.

[@lisamontez9401]

I so appreciate their honesty.

[@thebobsagetguy]

"he's reading homer" lmaoooooooo

[@rosejenk]

Two very smart and articulate men engaged in respectful conversation. That said, I would have like to have seen a third person involved with a competing point of view. Also, I think what was specifically missing from the conversation is what should Blacks, people of color and the poor be doing individually/collectively to increase their upward mobility, wealth and power?

[@wowomah6194]

Glenn...just run for President please. No one says it better than you

[@keggerous]

As a white dude, if we give reparations to blacks in America and I still hear black activists complain about discrimination and economic inequality, I will lose my shit . . .

[@gremgreene2725]

I am glad you three respect one another. It forces you two to treat the issue with respect.

[@ChrisMartin-tk4dh]

Another wonderful episode. Always a pleasure.

[@heatherchapman1984]

I am wondering when you two gentlemen are going to talk about Andrew Yang fielding questions about reparations by refocusing everyone on a UBI?

[@tosca8472]

As always a very balanced and nuanced discussion. Excellent video.

[@johanswede8200]

My two favorites! Cheers from Stockholm!

[@lazyboyr33]

Chappelle's Show's take on reparations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIO9f2p_r9t2jNU

[@HotelierNYC]

It's official: you two are now my favorite public intellectuals.

[@micksc1]

JUST TREAT PEOPLE AS INDIVIDUALS

[@valencia4215]

I agree that sports are valorized in schools attended by young black students. Having noticed this behavior and the presence of sports trophies prominently displayed in such schools, Ben Carson actually acknowledged this and did something about it by initiating and implementing the Carson Scholars Program in several urban schools around the country designed to focus on and celebrate smart students. We need more of them. Black parents must prioritize education in the home and demand excellence the same as their Asian counterparts.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

👏👏👏👏

[@bradnitzsche2436]

So, is this a class/envy/revenge issue instead of a race/slavery issue?

[@daniyalrazakazmi7249]

Glenn please invite Andrew Yang

[@supitschillbro]

He has, it's happening behind the scenes I believe

[@paxromana1]

An honest conversation on the reality of compensating for past wrongs. If I may suggest a benchmark (of sorts) Canada's BNA Indian Act that set-up the reserve system as it exists today. This was/and now is the basis for Canadian/ first nations relations. This includes--you guessed it--money or in more polite circles, compensation. Well, go to most reserves today and see the living conditions and it's terrible. And, it's not for a lack of money; in fact, there's a lot of money but it has done nothing to address the social ills that are holding back many of these communities. So, yes, discuss compensation or ways to give that helping hand but think it through and keep the perspective of the rest of the country instead of the short term

[@TheRisky9]

In America, we hold the land "in trust." The only other group who gets things held "intrust" is the mentally disabled... let that sink in. If Native Americans could actually own the land already allocated to them and given the same rights to it as everyone else... wow. They could lease it. They could sell it. They could build on it. They could farm it. They could save it for their children. Imagine how life changing that would be! But we're too worried about "protecting Indian culture." Since when was us white people concerned about anyone's culture? I'm serious. We've torn down and rebuilt our own cultures for centuries now. So, come on. But that solution is far more pragmatic than liberals and some conservatives want to admit. They just want to sit in the parks, chanting about white privilege and calling themselves "guests on Indian land." Yeah, doing a lot there, Hippy.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

My God! Glenn Loury for POTUS!

[@julianfischer1485]

Merry Christmas to Glenn and John. Thanks for doing what you do!! One of the best gems of youtube.

[@lairdgarvin1170]

Another theory from personal experience. The reason the exam scores have fallen for blacks is there is less overt racism in the burbs. Many successful black families have now moved to lower CT and the tonier burbs of NY taking with them many black kids who would have passed the tests. In addition, there are numerous programs operating in NYC which have granted more gifted economically challenged black students scholarships to private high schools.

[@YogGroove]

Weekly Glenn shows please! ( You can just sluff off that teaching college students thing, right? )

[@johanswede8200]

Daily! Just like Jordan B Peterson. Even better!

[@YogGroove]

@@johanswede8200 One step at a time. We have to coax them bit by bit.

[@johanswede8200]

@@YogGroove Coax! Fuck that! Don't even know what it means. Can't help it, but I'm Swedish.

[@pokerprincess3013]

Lets forget the wealth gap for a second. Lets talk about the legal doctrine of repairing wrongs.

[@AndyKirkpatrick50]

Objective truths rather than subjective delusions

[@furyofbongos]

The audio quality was good this time.

[@ShunyamNiketana]

That was a great show, and the anecdotes are well told--detailed but relevant. The balance of anecdote with data with concepts is strong. You also make the important point that those Asian parents start when their kids are young. Informally speaking, we can see it in the local cafe or check-out line at TJ's, how they closely monitor their kids all the while fostering learning. At two or three, certainly at seven, the kids are already responding to firm but gentle challenges to focus, to solve problems, to play games.

[@orionsghost9511]

Good point by these gentlemen about the fact that reparations has been widely discussed, even in the corporate media, long before this year.

[@PaulMathias1]

Wonderful, intelligent, honest chat.

[@AmandaFromWisconsin]

Is John saying that they’re going to spend all the reparations money on Jordans?

[@cleanwaternasenyiuganda8124]

Did anybody ask what the Japanese or the Jews were going to spend on their reparations money? The infantilization of African Americans is racist. Even if they honestly think that direct individual cash payments are not the way to go, there's no reason why it couldn't be in the form of housing tax credits, College loan forgiveness, baby bonds, small business grants Etc...

[@maxx_thedragondominator]

Peter Paj reparations were denied since slavery ended (when Lincoln was assassinated and the next president vetoed reparations) so ADOS struggles aren’t the same as Jewish and Japanese internment’s struggles. They got theirs faster and they actually GOT theirs! There was no 150+ year wait period for a debt owed.

[@maxx_thedragondominator]

Peter Paj please no one “creates” republicans. I thought conservatives despise excuse making.

[@kevinboone2178]

@Skinny Bones Jones I agree, but it would be best if folks receiving monetary reparations learned how to make that money grow for weathering economic storms and bequeathing it to future generations.

[@kevinboone2178]

@@maxx_thedragondominator ​HEAR, here. And some formerly enslaved families received their 40 Acres & a Mule, but the Andrew Johnson Administration confiscated them. The land was given to Confederate traitors.

[@tjdeuceosix]

Glenn, I think Andrew Yang is your candidate. He went on the Breakfast Club and said he understands a moral case for reparations but also understands slavery is a not anything that can be repaid. He advocates for a universal basic income of $1k/mo and explains that it would disproportionately help poor black communities but also just poor communities in general.

[@michaelmcchesney6645]

I graduated from Bronx Science in 1986. I scored highly enough on the entrance exam to have gone to Stuyvesant, but I have always done well on standardized tests. Perhaps then unsurprisingly I do not want NYC to change its admission criteria. There is something to be said for completely objective admissions criteria. Fortunately, under state law, admission to the specialized schools (Bronx Science, Stuyvesant, & Brooklyn Tech) cannot be based on anything but the exam. When I was there, Bronx Science was approximately 40% Asian, though I believe that is closer to 60% today. I think African-Americans were something like 8% at the time, though that is based only on what I remember hearing 35 years ago. It certainly was significantly more than 8 students. Prof. McWhorter's possible explanation about the abolishing of tracking makes sense. I taught in the South Bronx for 3 years in the Mid "Oughts" and I complained on a number of occasions about the complete lack of enrichment for our brighter students, students who had missed the cutoff to get into Bronx Science. In the mid 90's I was attending law school and had a summer job at the conservative Atlantic Legal Foundation. They were representing candidates who had passed a Newark Fire Department exam that had been thrown out because it was allegedly biased against minorities. The fascinating part was that it wasn't the written exam they claimed was biased, it was the physical exam. How is that possible? Your guess is as good as mine. But Newark was sued and reached a settlement whereby the plaintiff's expert would design a new physical exam. They did, and minorities did significantly worse than they had on the original test. Newark then threw the exam out on its own without being sued, whereupon we represented people that passed and a federal court ordered Newark to hire off the list. I asked why minorities had done worse and I was told it was because the Fire Dept Union had offered training courses for the physical exam. The courses were open to everyone, but relatives of union members (who were predominantly white) were pushed to take the practice courses by their relatives and as a result did better than people who hadn't taken the courses. The moral of the story is that NYC can offer all kinds of admissions test prep, but you need to make sure the ethnic groups you are trying to help actually take advantage.

[@mgriff0309]

My faves, love you guys!

[@reignman4529]

Haha when John was talking about City island. I was there last time I visited my dad. A basket of fried lobster tails was $60.00 for one person.

[@TheCrusaderRabbits]

Great stuff

[@jeffreytschwartz2340]

I love these two gentleman! So brilliant and thoughtful! Wish I had found this sooner. Why not use the same strategy to encourage underperforming students as we currently do to encourage women to take advantage of STEM courses and careeres from which they had traditionally shied away(ie. Grants, scholarships).

[@davidstamper89]

How is this not getting more views

[@boxersantaros5929]

"The proof in the pudding is in the eating" nice one Glenn.

[@philibusters]

My Thoughts 0:39 The reparations debate returns Sandy Darrity's and others' argument that a substantial portion of the wealth gap was caused by intergenerational transfers of wealth sounds plausible to me. I think its hard to put a percentage on it, but I don't think the percentage would be insignificant. So I am sympathetic to that argument, but I don't understand why its framed as a race rather than socio-economic issue. Glenn once did an episode with Daria Roithmayr where he debated her about this exact issue. She wrote a book about how privilege was transferred from one generation to the next and Glenn acknowledged that some privilege could be transferred from one generation to the next but repeatedly questioned her why she is framing it in a race narrative vs. a socio-economic narrative. I come from a privileged (but not super privileged background). Both my parents came from relatively modest backgrounds and neither really had much assistance from their parents (especially my dad). Neither got a bachelors degree. But they both made their way up in the world. I have two half brothers from my dad's first marriage, but I am the only child from my parents marriage. My parents worked their way. They both got good jobs with the gov't and they made say $120,000 and $70,000 respectively in 2019 money (they retired 15-20 years ago so I am guessing what their incomes would be in today's money). So as an only child (at least sort of) of two parents who made a pretty good salary combined and who were somewhat frugal they were able to help me out quite a bit. The help they provided included paying for my four years of undergrad (at a state university) and my law school (also a state university) and giving me $20,000 for a 10% downpayment of my house. Right now I am secure financially. I bought my townhouse 7 years ago on a 15 year mortgage and make a $200 extra payment every month so I now only owe $70,000 on it. I bought a Toyota Camry new in 2010 and I have had it paid off since 2015. I work for the gov't myself and make in between what what my parents, so I am doing well financially, in large part to my parents. People who argue that the playing field isn't even are correct. I am not especially driven and without my parents support I definitely would not be where I am today. I am smart (above average, but not exceptionally smart) and have a decent, but fairly average work ethic. I feel like some people are going to be losers no matter what. They lack all motivation and may not be that bright either. Others have all the talent and work ethic in the world and even if they come from humble backgrounds, they have a reasonable chance of doing well. And then others, like myself, could either succeed or flop given how much support we receive. I got a lot of support and I am in a decent spot in life by a lot of measures. That said, to me, this whole analysis is a socio-economic analysis. Yes, race played a factor (actually a huge factor) for a lot of poor black people in how their families ended up poor, but there were a lot of reasons why lots of different people ended up coming from poor families. There are more poor white people than poor black people in this country (the percentage of black people in poverty is higher, but as there are 5X as many white people, in terms of raw numbers there are a lot more white people in poverty than black people). Those people also didn't choose to come from a poor family. I don't see why they should be treated differently. I haven't read the book Hilliby Elegy, but you are guys are making me want to read it. 17:16 Glenn: Reparations are a “terrible idea” First and foremost they are a terrible idea because they are not feasible in the current political landscape and to push the issue right now would help Donald Trump a lot in the 2020 election. Elections aside, I feel like reparations on the whole are a bad idea. I am sure the reparations would do some good. There are likely a good amount of poor black people who would use the money as a springboard into the middle class by investing in their education (with a major that will likely get them a well paying job). Others with entrepreneur talent would start a business. It would do some good. But a lot of others wouldn't use the money effectively from a long term perspective. Further, there are two huge policy problems: 1) White people would be very resentful. White people did lots of horrible things to black people that caused them to be resentful and worse for lots of years so in some ways it would be fair play. But it would be bad if white people were resentful because they make up 60% of the population and hold a higher percentage of wealth than 60% while black people make up 13%. You could cause an increase in racism by making white people extremely resentful. The second main issue is how would you pay for it? We have a huge deficit issue as it is. Raising taxes would hurt the economy and cause a lot of the aforementioned resentment. Printing money to pay for it could cause serious inflation in a worse case scenario and in a best case scenario it would add significantly to the debt. 23:05 John: Not all black people are paupers First, its important to recognize there is are significant differences by race in household income. According to wiki blacks make up about 13% of the population but only 5.7% of the households in the top 20% of household income. In an idea world blacks would make up 13% of those households. By contrast blacks make up 19.8% of the households in the bottom 20% of households in terms of household income. Again in an idea world that number would 13%. So there are differences yes, but roughly a quarter of black households have an income above the national median. Reparations would lead to a better distribution of wealth (and as mentioned earlier would probably do some real good in other ways), BUT the harm in my opinion clearly outweights the benefit because of the white resentment and deficit issues. 28:00 Is there an opening for a Democrat to run to the right on this? It would be stupid for a Democrat to tell the voters what Glenn wants them to say. If you were going to say something along that lines, you'd say it in a general election, not the primary. In the primary, you would equivocate just enough to win the primary. 32:23 John recalls the childhood drug dealer next door I went to a non-elite Catholic HS. It was mostly white. I admit to thinking the kids who sold pot in the school yard were pretty cool. That said, as John noted, what they were doing was different in important ways from what John's neighbor was doing. Buying $100 of pot when you only intend to use $30 of it and selling the rest to your school friends is somewhat risky, but only a little bit risky. If you get caught, you'd get kicked out of the school and have to go through the legal system, but you wouldn't go to jail and you could recover fairly easily if you had a lot of family support. As John said, upper middle class kids can pose as thugs without becoming a thug easier. To me those kids selling their extra pot in school were edgy, they didn't really need to do more to prove their edge. In my HS some kids did experiment with drugs harder than pot of course like cocaine and LSD (opoids were not popular yet and middle class kids go for cocaine rather than crack--because cocaine is expensive they could usually only afford small amounts too, further minimizing potential issues), but there was no market for those drugs at the school, so they were not dealing those drugs on the side. 37:59 The thin line between having a thug pose and becoming a thug I think as John pointed out, it can be a thin line and black kids may have more pressure on them to press the line than white kids. Its easier to be tough and edgy at a upper middle class school than at a poor school. At an upper middle class school, if you regularly smoke pot, occasionally experiment with harder drugs, and sell pot on the side you are edgy. That probably wouldn't work at a lower socio-economic school. Also the landscape has changed since I was a HS student 20 years ago. I think some middle class kids who experimented with opiods legitimately are getting addicted and ruining their lives. They have better family support networks so they have a betterchance at getting back on track eventually, but we all know that regardless of socio-economic class getting your life back on track after addiction is not easy. The opiod epidemic is mainly hitting white working class communities, but its hitting middle class ones hard as well. I graduated from HS in 2001. From those graduating now, due to the opiod epidemic it may be a bit harder to pose as a thug without becoming a thug. Will give my thoughts on the rest of the video later.

[@TeaParty1776]

> the wealth gap was caused by intergenerational transfers of wealth The wealth gap is caused by poor people who choose to remain poor. Leftists should picket poor neighborhoods and demand more productivity!

[@hejla4524]

45:57 The end of 'tracking' is yet another example of legislation designed to counter 'racism' merely compounding disadvantage.

[@rnicole846]

I wonder if there are reparations if there would also be restrictions on how they can spend the money. Like it can only be spent on investing or buying property. Something that would build a future.

[@shelgerson]

Is there any merit to the idea that we paid reparations in blood during the Civil War?

[@renzothekid]

Shawn Helgerson or that we paid reparations to the slave owners for loss of property... But they won’t respond to this...

[@dexboat1733]

Sure, there is. It may not apply to everyone, but to a lot of people, their families certainly bled.

[@shelgerson]

Shesaid it26 Have you heard what Marianne Williams has to say about this? She makes a valid point. She says that slavery is a blight on the consciousness of the nation and hinders our development as a people. In her view, reparations would be a public acknowledgement of the wrong done and help us heal. From a spiritual perspective I think she’s right. However, we’re no longer a spiritual nation. So, while I agree with the premise, I don’t think we are emotionally and spiritually mature enough as a nation to make a gesture like that without it causing even greater division than we currently have.

[@dexboat1733]

@Shesaid it26 Actually, it's like saying Jews don't deserve reparations from German Resistance fighters' families because their families already paid the price. In addition, the intentions of union soldiers is irrelevant. The effect of their sacrifice is. Also, nobody is trying to make the 'destruction of millions' right. Nobody can. Those millions and the people who destroyed them are all gone. The question is what do descendants of those millions deserve and from whom exactly? It would be a bit perverse to demand reparations from the descendants of non-slave owners or even those whose ancestors died to free the slaves, whether intentionally or unintentionally.

[@lisamontez9401]

I've heard it said that welfare is reparations. (I don't know about that, there are a heck of a lot more white people on welfare than blacks.)

[@stevecelino8354]

I agree with Glenn's point about the inheritance argument being similar to the reparations argument. If I am poor in an underserved community because my white grandfather was a criminal or abandoned my grandmother, am I less deserving of financial help than someone who lives in the same neighborhood as I do, but it is due to his well-intentioned grandfather being unable to get decent work due to systemic racism? Would a young Eminem not get a check, but his black neighbor would? The problem is poverty and all of the social disfunction that comes from it. It needs a resolution - to the extent that the resolution disproportionately helps black people, that's a fine byproduct.

[@ericarrow7785]

We don't need reparations. We need to excel. We need to overcome racism and excel. We need to overcome the extra obstacles we unfairly face and excel. As a person of color, it sometimes feels like all eyes are on you, judging. Let them watch you excel.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

I love this!: _"Let them watch you excel."_ 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏾

[@beartrapperkc]

Love you guys!

[@playnejayne5550]

Not only would reparations not be the end of anything, the populace would be roiling with indignation over who got what and why. As a matter of fact, money payment for the indignations of slavery and Jim Crow would be a crass insult.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

And I wonder what would happen with a friend of mine? She's half Black (ADOS) and half White, but they've traced their family tree and her White ancestors were Quakers who helped on the Underground Railroad. It gets complicated deciding who would get paid what, and from whom? And what about American Indian people, would they be taxed for reparations?

[@playnejayne5550]

@@zxyatiywariii8If this were 1870 and the world were simpler, reparations might make more sense. But really, most of us descended from neither slaves or slave owners. More injustice won't fix past injustice. We need to look at the road ahead not at the rearview mirror.

[@dexboat1733]

In addition, most people will stop putting their ethnicity on the census or however 'whiteness' will be determined. And then what? How will you determine who is to pay up? Will you dig up into everyone's ancestry or do forced DNA tests? Reparations are likely to cause more problems for everyone than it will every solve. In addition, there will always be a large segment of those demanding reparations who will forever demand more. There will be no end to it. Ever.

[@Drixidamus]

At 20:05 Glenn makes a point in the same spirit that Andrew Yang makes his case for Universal Basic Income on The Breakfast Club. They need to talk.

[@dagmastr12]

So far every reparations video has been one sided with no questions or answers. I would like to see 2020 dem candidates actually answer questions from someone like Ben Shapiro. This is the best so far.

[@jmasoncooper]

In answer to your question about who is going to take a universal approach: Andrew Yang! Please have him on the show.

[@hardwood1274]

How about personal accountability and responsibility

[@jeffwilsonfhb]

Within a week of everyone getting that money, most of it would be in the hands of white store owners, car dealerships, etc.

[@richardkohn4153]

Great show!

[@sectionsixty4020]

Fisc is a new one on me I like it.

[@TeaParty1776]

I want reparations for tedious, mind-numbing years in public schools. I want reparations for the horror of listening to Obama and Trump. I want reparations for disco and heavy metal.

[@erikweinstein550]

I love metal

[@graybryan9521]

Didn't reparations take place in the form of welfare payments from the 60's on? That doesn't seem to be the problem. The problem is convincing people to delay self-gratification, reduce family size and pass something on. I'm not sure how you "force" anyone to do that but many groups seem to figure that out on their own. For those who don't...I don't know what more to say actually.

[@davidmcmahon6862]

re John @22:50, $50k per black American would be about $2.25 trillion.

[@cleanwaternasenyiuganda8124]

That is the cost of the indemnification. What was the cost of the damage?

[@cleanwaternasenyiuganda8124]

What would the inflation adjusted value of old slave labor be?

[@davidmcmahon6862]

@@cleanwaternasenyiuganda8124 Haven't the slightest idea. Any thoughts?

[@SteveMG500]

These two men are the ultimate scholars (fun and interesting and learned and open to different views) and I almost always learn something from their exchanges but I do wonder how much their views are accepted or embraced in "the" black community? Yes, there is no single view among black Americans; but if the views of McWhorter were presented and those of Ta Nehisi-Coates were presented, and then voted upon , which "worldview" would win out?

[@davidwell686]

Reparations for Slavery is a terrible idea but I would favor reparations for people that were punished under Affirmative Action, race based hiring, government set aside programs for certain races, genders etc...Victims of these programs are still alive and have very valid claims that they have been greatly harmed.

[@cedricroney1475]

Yall should have gotten someone to represent the stance of ADOS.

[@arthurmoore289]

While I thoroughly enjoyed the discourse around reparations, the majority of the discussion revolved around why reparations shouldn’t be paid. Shouldn’t there be some type of repayment for the free labor that black Americans gave to this country or was being “freed” repayment enough?

[@arthurmoore289]

No case can be made that equates to Africans being brought to a country against their will for free labor. ... Native Americans have been given reparations ... the cases you’re trying to make are nowhere near comparable to African slaves

[@arthurmoore289]

Those situations literally have nothing to do with the free labor being given and to say someone would be better off is a hypothetical that would never be proven ... instead of trying to rationalize why people shouldn’t get reparations you should maybe think about why it’s an easy case to be made for them ... the how to get these reparations to people is the hard part

[@TheRisky9]

Well, America did kill 1 million people and tanked its economy to free the slaves. What would be the balanced owed still for that?

[@artgurrl]

Bernie said he is against reparations.

[@gatorgator7728]

thank God ADOS was formed because these guys will still allow slavery in it's origin if they could. It's so easy to see who isn't ADOS. As a descendant of slaves I'm paying jewish reparations now and have been for yrs. And if u don't believe me just ask our tax dollars. my vote and my tax dollars support my reparations now that I know that I've been paying reparations to everybody but myself

[@herbsaint636]

Exactly

[@azendaythemanoflove]

Do first gen kids have an advantage over American students because of bilingualism and biculturalism? For it would seem they'd need critical thinking skills to maneuver both fields which would explain their faring better on tests. Even further, because many are interpreters for their parents while yet young may also explain their success.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Excellent point. It's why I wish all kids could grow up hearing and speaking two languages (many kids in other countries do, like in Switzerland and in rural Guatemala for instance). The brains of bilingual kids look different on PET scans, they have better linguistic connections. Even better than professional translators who didn't learn another language until they were over age 16. So even though a UN translator will have a larger vocabulary than a random person who grew up bilingual, the person who grew up bilingual will have better neural connections. And those connections make other forms of learning easier.

[@FocusProj]

00:17 that idea blew my mind. Well done gentlemen. Wish I could replace my white liberal representatives with you two.

[@bengold7942]

Lol John is a liberal.

[@sailorforlifebestti3366]

WOW. These guys are lost given they are comparing the Jews and Other race of people to black claims of reparations. I am not sure these guys understand the data. I want to see the Sandy Daritty debate w/ Glen. Where can I find it?

[@acadianalien]

Reparations rarely work. Germany had to pay reparations after WW1 and we all know what happened. It feels like punishment and creates immense feelings of hostility. Do you think race relations will improve after that?

[@sailorforlifebestti3366]

@@acadianalien it IS sort of punishment. There is nothing wrong with admitting mistakes of the past too. As far as race relationship, if someone feels wronged about someone getting their justice due, they have to reflect on why they feel that way. You have to understand that these people are still suffering from the effects of their own government manipulating and use-and-throw their bodies like some cheap styrofoam cup. I surely hope they get their justice.

[@bradwilliams6518]

Have they talked about the Smollet case yet and I just missed it? Or have they not covered it yet?

[@doctorich]

They have. I think it was the last conversation McWhorter & Loury had. McWhorter also talked about it with Don Lemon.

[@cedricroney1475]

You are framing this discussion wrong. This not a conversation of a hand out. Reparations is owed.

[@cedricroney1475]

@hunter wolf of the white winter What are you basing you statement on? Anything?

[@cedricroney1475]

hunter wolf of the white winter But the whole country profitted and all whites had more opportunity because of it. Furthermore around 35 percent of families owed slaves in the south so it was not just a few people directly profitting. Not to mention the corporations that made money. please google that just as I gave it. Lastly its not just about slavery. It been alot that has happened since then.

[@cedricroney1475]

hunter wolf of the white winter You didn't google it because it was that high and again ALL of the country benefitted from the wealth surplus.

[@cedricroney1475]

hunter wolf of the white winter You are not going to change the narrative. Facts still matter

[@cedricroney1475]

hunter wolf of the white winter The difference is that we built the wealth of America so we are owed. America would not be the power or place of opportunity for everyone if it was not for our work. Yes natives have their own justice claim and this is ours.

[@RoderickGraham]

These guys have some wonderful conversations. I like how Glenn summarizes things. I think there may be a dearth of understanding of how wealth and money play out in homes. There is to much evidence suggesting that wealth matters and that black folks have been excluded from wealth accumulation. To me, reparations are just a type of social policy aimed at a population's needs. It is like veterans benefits or funds aimed at low-income college students.

[@BreaksFast]

"It is like veterans benefits or funds aimed at low-income college students." Except it's not like either of those two things, because they're based on service to the State and financial means. Reparations payments would be dependent on the colour of peoples skin. That ain't cool.

[@BreaksFast]

If people need help, then society should help them *because they need help*, not because they are 'black'. Poor people come in all shapes, sizes and 'colours'.

[@RoderickGraham]

Not all social programs are based on service. In fact most are not. If someone gets a tax cut because they are a first-time home owner, it is not based on service. It is because we as a society believe that group is deserving. @@BreaksFast

[@BreaksFast]

@@RoderickGraham People don't need help because they're black, bro. They need help because they lack finance and services. White people are poor too. Poverty is not a black thing.

[@aboringsandwich]

41:35 I love it when a linguist learns a new word! You both are wonderful... I've been following John since he appeared on Penn and Teller's Bullshit re: the word "fuck"

[@JC_inc]

I hope Prof. Loury doesn’t get in trouble for saying many billionaires are ჯews.

[@nickstackeni3204]

Wealth as no color . Im white and in debt because of my family's mistakes. I was left no land or money .

[@sydneyhall1702]

there is a missing link: please discuss jewish reperations why is it right in one situation and wrong in another?

[@philipboardman1357]

I believe that all of those reparations went to actual living victims of the Holocaust, weren't they?

[@zxyatiywariii8]

@@philipboardman1357 Same thing with the Japanese-American reparations. I'm part Japanese-American but none of my family were in the camps, but I have a friend whose grandfather was in the very worst camp (Tule Lake) and since he died about a month before the reparations were approved, they didn't get any money. They were okay with that though because the US issued an official apology for the Japanese-American Incarceration. Has the US ever issued an official apology for the Transatlantic Slave Trade?

[@TeaParty1776]

@@zxyatiywariii8 > Has the US ever issued an official apology for the Transatlantic Slave Trade? The Civil War, w/more dead than US deaths in WW2.

[@erikweinstein550]

@@TeaParty1776 yrs

[@TeaParty1776]

@@erikweinstein550 ?

[@JDVmusicSound]

“Clarence .... went to fucking jail” !! 😂

[@prybarknives]

Good stuff. Lionize the smart, eager kids,yes! But even the b/c students who are trying their best! The societal shift away from valuing academic effort is prolific, at all levels. Can we demonstrate the connection between staying in school and not being poor? In avoiding drugs or criminality, and not being poor (and imprisoned)? Statistically, sure, but it somehow doesn't seem to translate to pop culture... Why? How can we fix this brokenness? I could just be a dumb white guy, but I think this is the (or a) major factor in black underperformance.

[@josedubois2295]

I've given up on the reparations debate. It just seems like it happens all the time and will never go away. Let it happen. I had a friend who is Haitian send descended from a French slave owner. My family moved to America in the 80s from communist Poland. My grandparents were slaves to German colonizers during the war. I make less money than my former friend yet he receives housing benefits and still is unable to save any money. The former friend openly hated on my financial position and tried to undermine my relationship with my family. Why should that former friend have received affirmative action while I did not? Why should he be given a dime of reparations while I am told to pay up? I don't blame the black community as I think they find themselves in a tough spot so many times. You can't tell me I can't hold a grudge against someone like my former friend for being ungrateful and unresourceful.

[@daniyalrazakazmi7249]

Watch this awesome debate in 2001 www.c-span.org/video/?167191-1/reparations-slavery Especially watch Prof. Glenn Loury against reparation (around 21:38) Also watch Christopher Hitchens in favor of reparation (around 45:58)

[@glennloury3677]

Thank you Daniyal Raza Kazmi. I had actually lost track of this event -- Christpher Hitchens notwithstanding... Happy to reconnect and proud of my performance!

[@daniyalrazakazmi7249]

@@glennloury3677 It's my pleasure, sir!

[@DanielGruszka]

You both have beautiful minds, thanks for sharing your wisdom, it is truly indispensable in 2019.

[@objectivityisourfriend9631]

I know McWhorter is now a NY Times oped contributor. Thank god!😊

[@majormajor3630]

Clarence sounds like he could have made it as an entrepreneur

[@geek1231000]

Why use shaming language here and not address the points raised by Glenn or John ?

[@majormajor3630]

@@geek1231000 i would actually blame the parents more for this than Clarence tbh, since he was still in hs. Maybe clarence wanted to find his 'roots' or maybe he wanted to make his own money. Either way, they should have stepped in sooner. I mean, ive heard stories of rich white kids doing similar things. Ive also watched Trigger Warning with Killer Mike where he helps members of the crips rebrand and find legitimate revenue streams.

[@cellmate1]

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