The End Of The Car Tuning Industry? | Workshop Update No.55

[@bodlet2001]

Been in the motor trade and completely agree. The industry is so unregulated. Anyone with a bag of spanner’s can ‘rebuild’ a wrecked car. Seen some horrors in the past

[@pulan007]

you speak so much sense. so glad i grew up in the 80s

[@laurieharper1526]

Agreed on the rant. Perhaps tuning shops could insist customers sign a detailed disclaimer, promising that they will not use it on the road/will not do 150 on the bypass/will slow down outside schools and old peoples' homes and so on before releasing a vehicle. I know it would feel a bit daft, but if it saves getting prosecuted, might be worth considering. Re. Rick's analogy with the barman, in the US, bar staff can be prosecuted if they serve drink to someone who is intoxicated. The world's going mad. What happened to personal responsibility?

[@Gorbyrev]

Seriously tuners should get a class action through a company like Dalton White and challenge this in the courts.

[@RedBatRacing]

"If" I ever get a speeding ticket. I'll blame the car manufacturer for selling me a car that can exceed the speed limit.... sounds like the perfect out

[@laurieharper1526]

@@RedBatRacingYou and me both.

[@dennisreid4428]

This is the rule for the UK... Can a pub serve a drunk person? It is an offence to sell alcohol to a person that is already drunk. You can also refuse entry to the premises to a drunk person, with door staff able to assist should they be employed.

[@KevL5967]

I 100% agree with you Rick, too many helmets out there who say they are vehicle repair specialists or tuning specialists. With no training whatsoever. How is this regulated! It’s not! I have to spend the best part of £15,000 each a year on training my techs and even more to Develop them to Master Tech’s. There is continuous Development In Place every year to learn about the latest repair methods. I get questioned daily about why i charge for diagnostic work. Apparently all i do is plug in a diagnostic laptop and it tells me what the problem is. If it’s that easy why don’t you fix it yourself is normally my response. But Freddy who got a Halfords Socket set and eBay scanner for his 18th Birthday is allowed to work on these vehicles without as much as a KZbin Video on how to fix a problem. Anyone looking to prosecute someone with a Penis & Balls Map i’d be asking them what their level of vehicle knowledge is. Has the judge got an Advanced Automotive Engineering Qualification probably not. If i purchase something from you or any other Vehicle Tuning Company and use it in an illegal state that is my fault and my fault only. I’ve been the knob who committed an offence. Not the person selling it to me. Does that mean if i buy a car that is capable of more than 70mph and get caught speeding, is that the fault of the manufacturer? NO! Best of luck pal and ensure you have a disclaimer signed on every invoice paid for. Rant Over, I’m now wound up for the entire day 🤣👍.

[@kevinwhittaker1307]

Perfectly valid point Ricky. 👍 The only way forward is to get a disclaimer signed by the customer to accept the responsibility of operating the vehicle after illegally after any modifications have been made. The authorities going after the businesses that tuned these vehicles need to look at better regulations and training of the whole industry - there are some terrible sub standard and dangerous practices that need addressing first.

[@hendrix2478]

I've been watching this channel religiously for a long time now, I love it. Thank you.

[@aynakotalaga]

I’ve just bought a Macan GTS, can confirm that it has a pops and bangs map as standard from Porsche!

[@aidencoder]

Lame

[@TheCerovec]

My neighbor has an Hyundai that also has fart mode from the factory. I love it when i drink my morning coffe on the balcony and he goes up and down the street. Going through first and second gear 94 times down 300 meters of the road.

[@jabberwockytdi8901]

In this country you have to tell the insurer about mods, it's their engineer that decides if they will insure it or not without any determination on the legality. Anywhere else that actually monitors this type of thing uses and MOT type system to approve e.g. TUV in Germany and many similar set-ups elsewhere in europe or " Engineering Approval" in Oz and NZ.

[@stesjmgtr8222]

I drive 1100bhp Nissan Gtr r35. Ive always loved cars. Bought my first car at the age of 14. I agree with you for the most part, however, performance car owners need to be more responsible and considerate. If you drive a car with a loud exhaust think twice before accelerating hard in a 30 limit, especially if there are houses and kids nearby. If it’s after 19:00 in evening don’t be accelerating hard near people’s houses and running pops and bangs maps. 9 out of 10 people do not want this going on outside their houses. It’s only going to result in complaints to the authorities and we are going to end up getting taxed off the road or changes to emissions, noise limits etc will mean use of our performance cars on the road will soon be a thing of the past.

[@paulfarghi]

Ricky, I understand your rant, totally. In the USA as you are aware the EPA are targeting these tuners and the fines are massive. The environmental improvements trying to clean up air pollution include improving emissions from ICE vehicles. The UK has one of the most permissive countries in the world to allow individuals and businesses to work on cars and engines. Germany you have change tyres every year, you can't fit non TUV parts. As legislation tightens its emission levels are going to tighten... Engine builders and tuners will be restricted on what they will be able to do. I love cars and engines but they will be legislated against and the screw will tighten and selling non homologated parts will result in court cases. Change is a coming and it's not going to be pops and bangs all round...

[@jabberwockytdi8901]

Ermm You don't have to change tyres every year , you have to use suitable tyres for the weather , you can either have 2 sets one summer one winter or use "snowflake" marked all season tyres all year round , either way those tyres can be used for multiple years condition/wear based.

[@walrus10001]

Sorry to say that your barman and booze analogy is absolutely true. Really.

[@butteredcrumpet]

100% agree with you. The judge's perspective is that you are an engineer who has been approached to drill out a starting pistol so now it can fire rounds. If you scratch a little deeper you see that the two situations aren't equatable. Seems like a lack of understanding in the powers that be, same situation with new tech legislation :/

[@yorkshirefazer]

fully agree. deffo the car owners problem not any business. love your rants :)

[@Phillc748]

Don’t disagree with anything you said about tuning mate, but the part I think is missing is that nobody can self regulate any more, it’s the same as the stupid race fit exhausts and ‘growlers’ on bikes, people are obsessed with pushing things as far as they possibly can then moaning that they get fingered. I live near Thamesdown drive and honest it’s just traffic light Grand Prix and pops and bangs and totally straight piped cars… this doesn’t change your very valid point that it’s not YOUR fault, but I just think it is a dimension of the argument, that people just want to take everything to the extreme. Same as the pub thing, 5-6 pints with your mates, act like an adult, have a laugh and don’t end up tying up 4-5 nurses and admin at the hospital and they could treat people who are dying of stuff they didn’t choose. Not trying to be holier than thou, honestly not as I’ve got a pipe on my Ducati, but I just think we all have to act like grown ups then we don’t need people regulating the sh*t out of us

[@Mozzer1966]

Totally agree with the rant 100%

[@miked6505]

you are correct we should monitorerd like in germany

[@marklupton2064]

If a car fails mot , the garage doesn’t have to insist it’s trailered away ! 😮

[@teampipe]

Years ago if you bought a crashed damaged car back, once fixed you had to get it inspected by VoSA, is that not the case any more?

[@eddiesandeman6989]

people will always want to make their cars faster, I agree with your rant completely, If anyone is taken to court over a car it should always be the driver, if I drove a mates car and got pulled to find it has a bald tyre, the police would give me the points not the car owner, stating that it is up to the driver to make sure everything is legal before you drive. Why is a tuned car any different for any reason? I drive a stage 1 tuned nissan juke nismo. you can find my build list on Eddie Antics. I try to show on there, that you can have a fast modified car on the road while still sticking to mot rules, and therefor keeping the traffic cops from wrecking my night

[@stevesmith-xd3ph]

Your RANT spot on your responsible for your vehicle but I think the business has more money to go after they don't give a damn about safety they're just going after the money

[@Me1234utube]

Be very careful with disclaimers, they are handy for getting rid of the numpties but you cannot rely on disclaimers if you are going to court. It’s the minority of customers that make the job hard, if there is a trick in life it’s avoiding that 1%, Ricky seems to do a good job of avoiding them 😊

[@Google_Is_Evil]

The thing is, car manufacturers have to make cars that fulfill emission standards and make provisions to prevent tampering with these is to ensure the vehicle will keep within emission standards for a specific time frame and distance traveled. You have seen what happened in Dieselgate when the manufacturers didn't do this properly. It has been many years since this legislation is in place. When a company manages to break the anti-tampering that manufacturers have to put in and knowingly modify the software (and/or hardware) they should obviously be aware that the vehicle will no longer fulfill the homologation requirements. Putting the requirement on the tuning companies to ensure that cars aren't used on the public road after the software has been modified is maybe a bit steep, but just for legal liability, I think it is fair to have the customer sign a waiver where they state that they are aware that the modification performed makes the car illegal to drive on the public road and that this modification will make the car be legal to be used on private grounds (track) only. They will have to also state that the company doing the modification will not be liable if the owner decides to break the law and if a magistrate decides they are, the customer will be fully liable for all costs and damages that the company performing the modification endures as a result of the customer breaking the law. It's not really what you want, but if you want to make money on putting pops and bangs on some barryboys shitbox, you will need to cover your behind....

[@jaredwoodward919]

No your rant is totally justified. I'm guessing the magistrate live on a street where boy racers drive causing a noise nuisance.

[@lordgibbness]

Just get your jabs and be happy. The government are looking after our safety. Yeah right!!

[@StephenGee-qi9mw]

Hi Rick, I was on holiday when I saw your carly review...I ordered one straight away. Back off holiday and online looking for information on using carly when I came across a review by KIP HAKES... not good ,don't know how far you went into using scanner but just check out how comfortable you are with this, you don't want to get tainted if it is shite. Steve.

[@lordnibs758]

Your bang on lad! The worlds gone mad......

[@REPerformanceUK]

💯

[@mikeandrews1384]

Agree on the rant. These laws always take the blame to wrong person that might be more able to pay a fine! If the barman serves you a beer or two and you decide to drive home is it the barman's fault

[@duster8100]

If you want to do major car mods in Oz the first thing you need to do is find an approval engineer to certify the finished vehicle and that cost serious money. All workshops are licensed and must have a minimum level of equipment and all technicians are licensed after an approved apprenticeship. Smashed write off's are put into a data base so they can be tracked but even with all the above the shonks still get away with selling cars that should be crushed.

[@knight2425]

The percentage of owners that get their cars is very low, there are so many people changing exhausts, tuning etc etc without even talking to an engineer so many of these cars would be illegal on the road but the industry isn’t as scrutinised in Australia as it is in other countries

[@sackvillebag]

Completely agree with your rant.

[@russnunn2456]

Your right with the mot they have no responsibility as soon as u drive off there ramp if the wheel falls off there’s no fault on them so no wonder they don’t really bother or care and will take bribes to pass cars all they have to say is it was fine when I tested it and there covered

[@sportzntouring]

If someone speeds on the road, is it the manufacturer's fault for giving them a car that can exceed the speed limit? So why is it a trader's fault if someone uses their Ps&Bs map on the road? Also, why is it that certain sounds that some people don't like mean the people that like them can't have them? It's like if some people didn't like silver cars then silver cars get banned... Or, if some people don't like rock music, then pubs are banned from playing rock music.

[@stuartleonard1060]

I live in Germany. Any modification to a vehicle needs to be documented on the vehicle paperwork and needs to pass the MOT. TUV..... Then it's legal. As you just said it's fair in Germany

[@howardbeer5214]

MOT ?? Spot on with what you said . An MOT is only valid at the point of test!! So drive down the road light bulb fails or you hit a kerb abd damage the tyre !! The MOT is WORTHLESS !!

[@Google_Is_Evil]

The offroad bike salesman will not be held responsible because because most of his customers use the bike on offroad private tracks most of the time. "Tuning companies" make most of their money on cars that get used on the public road. If 95% of what they do gets used illegally, even though their own work is not, a case for "aiding and abetting in a crime" will make it in court, especially if they don't do "enough" to prevent this from happening. I doubt most of these companies could even exist if it wasn't for cars that get used on the public road, so it is obvious that law enforcement is coming after them.

[@robertandrews6555]

Gov can have an illegal war but we cant have an illigal exhaust 🤔🤔

[@arthurjones7136]

copper seal is conductive

[@joelatkinson2080]

Welcome to the nanny state!!!

[@danjohnson8543]

Couldn’t agree more with the rant. Please, please get a soap box for the next rant😂

[@Graxxel94]

As a fellow anti social behaving twat, guilty of the odd pop and bang in my B9 S5... I agree with every word you said 💯 - you guys are hilarious, I can literally sit here for hours watching 👌🤣 keep em coming!

[@promisewot]

Ricky, I own a bar, which is obviously heavily licensed for myself, building and staff, but at no point are we responsible for what happens outside of our pub, we just have to refuse anyone obviously drunk! By this logic if they don’t luck like a race car drivers or a bellend you should theoretically sound, but that’s not what they’ll do

[@TEOS_UK]

Well said in the "Weekly Rant" lads, we currently live in a dystopian/Orwellian clownworld right now, and it's guys like yourself who still have the balls to speak the truth about it all who will help the rest of the people through the cr@p we're all going through. Good to see a YTer who doesn't hold out on their videos. Keep up the good work 👍🏻

[@TomWxm]

“Still rumbled me” 😂 On a side note, can we turn upto REPerformance just like tourists turn up to tuners in Japan?

[@gregmayson2852]

Hi Rickie Just another nanny state where government is makes your own choices instead of taking responsibility to of your own actions . Greg New Zealand

[@jaredwoodward919]

Could it be possible be that the dip stick or oil filler cap seals are perishing and allowed condensation in?

[@HenryOCarmichaelSmith]

Pops and bangs maps are shite tbf but I agree it should be on the car owner not the businesses.

[@andybegbie8553]

Totally agree pal, definitely not a rant! I do have a question but it's for Kate (hiya Kate) do u miss Ricky when he goes away working (riding bikes) or are u glad of the space/free time (not that you'd get much with the kid's?

[@REPerformanceUK]

Hi Andy, Yes we miss him when he’s away. Hectic family life. It’s a juggling act. We try to go to as many weekends as we can, but both our boys play football. So not always possible.

[@andybegbie8553]

@REPerformanceUK I know u do the football bit (hate it myself) but didn't know if it was just a bit of a break. I know u still have to sort things with work despite the lazy sod skiving on holiday, sorry working 🤔 from experience the break can be welcome but also from experience reuniting can be bloody good too, lol 😆

[@alexworz4135]

Maybe tuning companies will have to have the tune on a switchable map and state only for track use. 🤷‍♂️

[@jimmcculloch3786]

I'm wondering what the legal 'advice' the companies you mentioned, received! What would the RAC and other bodies have to say ?? Hmmmm.

[@cbell293]

On the rant ! Tuning is fantastic and individual choice , totally agree on on the pops & bang maps its for children who shouldn’t be allowed on road , the judges probably said grow up 😢

[@katywalker8322]

Don’t give them ideas about government testing stations for MOTs. Northern Ireland has them, and the waiting list for a test can easily be months!

[@Nick-sv3yf]

In Australia you have to be a qualified mechanic before you work on cars, to be qualified you have to do an apprenticeship (I think its 4 years). Its the same for Electrician / Plumber etc. It's stupid. There is no way to change career later in life without doing the whole apprenticeship. I'm sure people will reply to this with all sorts of reasons justifying this but the real reason is the unions controlling the industries and keeping wages high. It doesn't stop the 'muppets' there are still plenty of qualified 'muppets'. At the same time the Aus version of an MOT is a complete joke that checks very little. BTW Aus bar staff are responsible to ensure they don't server drunk people !!!

[@miketilston1528]

So, whos fault will it be then when I get done for speeding? Is it the manufacturers? or the shop I bought my R1M from? after all they didnt even ask me how fast I was going to ride it

[@fraserwright9482]

Does the manufacturer fit it with a Speedo? Did the shop sell you it conform to UK road legal requirements at the time? Have you passed a driving test and have a valid license?

[@alcapony4935]

Completely agree with your rant , and even more so about Marquez being a complete dick in 2015.

[@danielvaughan2062]

A good solicitor would rip the court a new one.....

[@TheStudio49]

Carl went all the way to Japan to learn more about cars 😮 Or did Carl go for the kinky side of Japan 😮

[@left-hand-threaded]

Spot on mate,but why do we feel like the minority ?

[@simonwootton-davies1179]

oil overfilled??

[@tuonouk6896]

Onyx will be libel for prosecution costs too i have previously been prosecuted as a business for offences in relation to modified motor vehicle offences . Absolute joke .

[@craigwalker2640]

You do know that now they have been done anyone else that gets pulled over they will be liable for the same thing. Just the start. This is all down to the kids at car meets

[@bobbyclark7423]

No purpose in pops and bangs only annoys people, cant use on a track day either therefore pointless just wouldnt touch them

[@garethhaywood9692]

I just could not agree more with this rant, I feel like as a business owner of a small garage we are looked at as dirty workers who keep polluting cars on the road. It seems like a crime to have a passion for combustion. Great vid as always

[@kevinobrien3063]

Take Harley Davison motorcycles. Why are they ok to be so much loaded than anything else because they came like that from factory. Where is the standard

[@tigjunkie73]

Agree on everything you say , it should be solely the owner of the cars responsibility to not do stupid things ! This is happening in the US a lot now ! SNOWFLAKE CENTRAL ! THE ONCE GREAT BRITAIN GONE TO SHIT !

[@fraserwright9482]

The law is pretty clear, Onyx deCatted a car and charged them for it. This is classed as aiding and abetting a crime as I the customer am paying Onyx to make my car not comply with something that other road users have to pay for at an MOT to pass in order to drive on public roads, hence the £5000+fees fine. Onyx, Ricky or any business can do any modification, but most businesses have you sign a waiver stating I am responsible now.

[@EvoraGT430]

So do Currys have to ask to see someone's TV license before they sell them a TV? What a load of shite.

[@neilbathe7752]

Back in the day (probably 30+ years ago) they had to. They would ask for the address of the purchaser which would then be registered. Still agree with Ricky though...

[@PaulSchofield-p6b]

Mate, I'm no legal eagle, but what lawyer represented the two business and what defense did they put up ? Your knowledge of the main motor brands releasing stock cars from the forecourt with P&B as standard, should have been used in defense. This reference with proof should have put into question fairly the situation. The main motor brands should contribute to the fine given the two business did not dob them in. I suspect the main performance car brands have very small print in the purchase contract, that a Philadelphia lawyer could not get to them ! Time to up-date your customer T&C's to cover your ass.

[@andrewcoombes3063]

Same old government shit. Go electric, save the world. Buy a Surron or electric scooter, sorry not allowed. You can only use an electric scooter that you hire from local councils or ride an electric bike that goes slower than pedal power. Mclaren sell cars that do nearly 3 times the speed limit, Mclaren are not responsible for owners speeding. Government workers keeping themselves in work by thinking up more rules that can bring in big fines.

[@vogs72]

Lucky those tuners aren’t liable for the vat for their guilty pleasures.

[@StephenGee-qi9mw]

Hi Ricky, OMG you are leaning on an open door talking about personal responsibilities, the 'nanny state ' mentality pervades so many areas of business and life. I could make soap boxes for you but if you were to fall off I would be held responsible...sorry mate.😂😂

[@REPerformanceUK]

😂😂

[@kevrobbins]

Always love the rants. You are so right on this point.

[@REPerformanceUK]

Glad you like them! Thanks for watching

[@NJWMOTO]

Ricky on the R8 bearings, Acidic oil contamination I’ve seen this years ago on laid up cars where when they have not done much milage but the car has been stood the oil as it ages turns acidic and eats the shells.

[@notso100]

I am late on this but the car with the bearing issues, did it run E85? That pitting can be common with an E fuel car that has oil contamination then sits for a bit. Start it, move, shut down before oil is at full temp and you burn the E off, absorbs water and you see the pitting (basically corrosion) in the bearing surface.

[@jamest5149]

Its always been ge case that a ‘bar man’ has responsibility to stop serving a person inebriated…. Pubs and bars for get fined for behaviour of the customers. But emissions, both sound and gasses is the line you cannot cross as far as the law is concerned.

[@mattquail8590]

Mate I 100% agree I Owen a garage you see some right shit! Badly repaired shit! There 100% should be more checks on garages

[@fireblade892]

Had that kind of wear on a few BMW M and S 1000rr's cavitation caused by air pockets in the oil bursting under pressure and taking away material from the shells, like you say that's usually caused from oil degregation and or to high RPM/ overspeed. We were told by BMW to increase the bearing clearance so a thinner walled bearing to increase the oil film between crank and bearing

[@TT-mu9jo]

Totally agree 100%

[@bgj2940]

5:25. I bet this car had a bunch of cold starts or very short drives moving the car from one spot to the other. Most likely the oil rarely got up to temp and became acidic

[@craigwalker2640]

Ricky as much as I agree with you. The government are putting the liability firmly with the tuner. No disclaimer will cover that. They will just say if the car is taxed mot and insured it’s a road car. And you should check. Shit as it is.

[@brandonfromlondonuk3484]

i could seriously listen to rick all day

[@ohboy2118]

The personal responsibility argument is spot on. Have you heard of the the YT creator Blackbelt Barrister? That would be an interesting conversation between the two of you on the rights and wrongs from a business/moral/commonsense point of view vs a legal standpoint and now the precedent that has been set. I bet that judge was a cyclist or a rambler. 😂

[@steventilley2064]

pop and bang maps are fucking gay anyway 😂

[@fraserwright9482]

In NZ there is an engineering process for modifications and it works. You should go on a work trip to see Dodson and buy a Celica

[@basilwatson1]

Yes I agree, ive dealt with Chch Sockburn testing station and can thoroughly recommend the process. all my welds were inspected and mods were checked by an ENGINEER of similar experience to me and then it was signed off im more than happy with the process ..( remember NZ was famous for its n0 8 wire )

[@tonypressley130]

Decats I agree on for emissions but pops and bangs are surely the owners responsibility. Some exhaust systems for cars state there for track and private use only so what about those. It’s ridiculous Ricky. Keep up the rants love them all :)

[@tdimac]

No you quite definitely haven’t got it wrong mate. This country has gone mad with people not taking responsibility for their own actions.

[@markbarnetto]

Totally agree with you on this rant Ricky .. I’ve been ranting about it for years , being a master tech myself , we need more regulation in the trade to stop anyone opening a garage door and charging to fix a motor . Well said sir👍

[@honda.spares.man1]

How was Japan? It was very Japanese. 😂😂😂 Karl's lines

[@The748ducati]

As a landlord we are responsible for a customer who leaves. The test case was a young man upset left a pub, went to 3 other bars and was refused entry. He then took his own life by jumping in a river. All the bars were fined and had their licenses reviewed for not showing him a duty of care. Even though he never came in the premises.

[@davidlittle657]

Northern Ireland Mot tests are carried out by Government testing stations. No gamekeeper and poacher garages here.

[@155Ringman]

When you can get a date that is! Totally agree on having government run stations being the best approach though. Pop and bang maps are just nonsense though and should carry the death penalty....

[@darrenholland-mc3jb]

100 % right in everything youv'e said there ricky

[@REPerformanceUK]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@Jacko-46]

As long as your insurance company has been informed of the mods and are happy I don’t see the problem there’s no laws I did a red top nova back in the day only thing my insurance company wanted was an engineers report to list the conversion and brakes and steering adequate

[@anthonycollingridge970]

Ricky, Next time you get served a cup of warm milk, tell him to take it for a run round the block to build its strength up....

[@colinscutt5104]

Come on Ricky dont be hard on Karl for buying Mugen stuff everyone knows their oil caps make the VTEC work better

[@samrodian919]

You're dead right Ricky. Business owner must get a disclaimer signed, and the vehicle trailered away from the premises. I would go further and get a bloody big stamp made that would go across an A4 invoice corner to corner and use red ink to stamp "This vehicle MUST NOT BE USED ON THE PUBLIC ROAD" and see how the courts view that. The snowflakes are coming for everybody, so much so that we will soon be six foot under in a fucking snowdrift!

[@timmymallett1]

Ref the pub hypothesis....ironically..... S.141 of Licensing Act makes it an offence to “knowingly” sell or attempt to sell alcohol to a person who is drunk. The bar person serving the customer is liable for a fixed fine of £80.00. Which is routinely ignored in this country. Pops and bangs are annoying though. They serve no purpose other than 'look at me'. You aren't driving a WRC car with antilag.

[@petermooney2016]

Agreed, however I would say that the likes of Mat Armstrong being a knob on his channel making jokes along the lines of "oh, I just turned my back for 2 minutes and someone robbed the cat off my car", plus associated stupidly loud exhaust systems, aren't helping one little bit.

[@fastdruid]

Sorry, got to disagree here. Look at any number of tuners websites and you'd be hard pressed to find more than a couple that state "not for road use" or state its not legal to use on the road afterwards. Not to mention those that are blatantly selling services like dpf/egr removal etc. Ultimately the tuners blatantly *know* it's illegal and are turning a blind eye. You compare it to a barman selling a drink to someone who's going to go home and beat up their partner but its more like the barman turning a blind eye to an 18 year old buying a round of alcoholic drinks for a table of 14 year olds. It's right in front of them. The issue as ever has been those that have taken the piss, there are a couple of knob jockeys round here who have what can only be described as the "Battle of Seelow Heights" map, it's an artillery barrage not a pop or little bang, utterly obnoxious. Those are the kind of examples that people see and complain about.

[@michaelw4620]

As an ex mechanic/tester Iv been saying this shit for years and this is the reason mechanics pay is so low in comparison to lets say an electrician or plumber. There’s nothing stopping g Dave the shelf stacker stripping his brakes down on Sunday and killing 10 people on the M1 on Monday! Zero regulation in the trade.

[@seadog8004]

Totally 100% agree with your soapbox rant, the world has gone mad.

[@dextrodemon]

idk, if you did a bad job, like you were supposed to do the brakes then a car crashed you'd probably deserve a fine or w/e. so if you do a good job of making the car no longer road legal and watch it drive away, then you probably get a fine too, whether right or wrong. i think you'd probably find a lot of other industries are actually liable for similar things. i don't think it has anything to do with snowflakes or 'these days' or w/e either, just timeless bureaucracy, same as it ever was, same as it always will be.

[@chrisshave7129]

If a barman serves an under 18 that breaks the law and the landlord would be liable. Otherwise the act of serving alchohol is legit and the person is responsible for their own actions if they go and give someone a beating later. If a tuner removes a CAT from a 'road car', they do that knowing it's breaking the law for that car to be driven on the public road. Tuners need to force the disclaimer forms as a start point.

[@newagetemplar6100]

Well deserved rant dude . Ya got to realise judges and lawyers don’t live in the real world , they’re not liable for their actions and time is nothing to them as they get paid by the hour whatever the result. They don’t give a fcuk, as long as they get paid . Laws a joke mate and they’ve had hundreds of years to perfect their scam . Honourable people my arse , most can’t think logically and many don’t have any common sense.

[@gothicpagan.666]

Guys if your doing work on a road car that make it illegal you can only blame yourself. If the car turns up at the shop with an interior, stereo furry dice et all, you know it's used on the road. The same criteria would apply for having a hydraulic hand brake, when it comes to mot

[@itspartytimedisco]

I'm all for free expression but some p's n b's are too loud and none stop. The down shift pop and burble I great. Parked up in a st/rs/r32 etc nearly blowing the exhaust off is bringing unwanted attention for the old bill and residents miles away.