Resistance to Tyrants & Obedience to God | Doug Wilson

[@RomanZeNine]

We need millions of pastors to say this sort of thing instead of appeasing the tyrants.

[@thewisceeeggg1624]

I get SO excited when Christians say point blank, "Get your children out of the government school system". Must be said loud and long.

[@JonahGhost]

You need a plan to make the move though.

[@IronFire116]

Welcome to the CREC :)

[@treybarnes5549]

I did a long time again. it still doesn’t help because the women in my life doesn’t see the harm in them having smart(dumb) phones

[@gbear34]

@@treybarnes5549 I'm sorry, who is the head of the household?

[@treybarnes5549]

@@gbear34 yeah I read in the KJV, God said I am, Wife reads in her NIV it said God wasn’t referring to traditional marriage like that but it’s a remedy for a certain kind of problem in early gecko cultures. she learned that from her west coast pastor, who is no longer my west coast pastor. my new pastor is from oklahoma and now I finally got to agree with him. You asked.

[@Yesica1993]

Please never stop fighting! I'd give anything to be among Christians like this. So many churches are still asleep, thinking it's 2019 all over again. I don't know how to wake them.

[@hokieham]

Yup. Mine is snoozing.

[@simonleland2873]

They are not asleep, they are dead.

[@andrewbrowne5557]

A Great Winnowing is taking place! Rejoice! Sheep and Goats are being separated, wheat and tares are being separated! If your current local church is full of tares and goats, get out!

[@bassistguy13]

Continue praying for them!

[@way2tehdawn]

That’s a good question, I just straight up don’t live amongst Christian’s. And it’s not even hostile to Christianity it’s just… Not.

[@benjaminofperrin]

"Jehoshaphat treated his choir like a seal team". "Caesar is not Lord". Yes this is perfect. I love Doug's analogies.

[@toddstevens9667]

But is Jehoshaphat really are model as New Testament Christians … Don’t really think so.

[@suzannehartmann946]

@@toddstevens9667 Hezekiah also sent out the choir ahead of his troops do you like him as a better role model? God moved the sun for him.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@suzannehartmann946 Since we’re talking about New Testament Christianity, then no, I don’t. What did Paul say to do in his Epistles? How about James or Peter or John in their Epistles to the church?

[@ConnieTaylor-p1y]

Thank you for speaking, Plain Truth!

[@JustinSDG]

The Word of God is like a lion. You don't have to defend a lion. All you have to do is let the lion loose, and the lion will defend itself. Charles Spurgeon

[@merryheart443]

Love this!

[@scopeway]

So true, but it’s also worth noting that resistance might lead you, at some point, to be fed to the lions. Dietrich Bonhoeffer experienced persecution firsthand, so I reckon its worth considering what he had to say on it: "Suffering then is the badge of true discipleship. The disciple is not above his master. Following Christ means passio passiva, suffering because we have to suffer... It is not for us to decide whether we can bear the cross or not. That is for him to decide... The cross is laid on every Christian. It begins with the call to abandon the attachments of this world. It is that dying of the old man which is the result of his encounter with Christ. As we embark upon discipleship we surrender ourselves to Christ in union with his death-we give over our lives to death... When Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die."

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

This quote sums up the abject foolishness of Protestantism and its theologians. Daniel shows that it is totally possible for ppl to cast truth to the ground when it isn't being defended. The whole reason why some of the church eras in Rev. 2-3 fell into decline after such a good start is because the truth wasn't being defended!

[@CornerTalker]

His delight [is] in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night. [Psalm 1:2 NKJV]

[@JB-em9po]

“Non-binary space alien” 😂 If it weren’t so close to reality I’d be laughing much harder!

[@PB-mp4rt]

I like what you said Doug, about taking the enemy of God out through his conversion! We down here in NZ where evil gvmt is at war with all that is good and right, seem oblivious to the end result of neglect of true Worship of the Living God. Still God knows those whom are called by His name, and through the coming persecution will preserve and multiply His Kingdom. But having said that, yes I am tempted to give Him a hand in dealing out vengeance against His enemies; but know that His justice is absolutely right, whereas mine is flawed by sin. Yet as a Reformed believer I know there is a bright future ahead, once these dark clouds that envelop us are behind us! God is still on His throne and nothing, outside of His will can occur, not even one hair or sparrow can fall without the will of He who made it!

[@essentialpunisher5181]

In 2020 a lady from NZ said she was moving back there because things were getting too crazy here in CA (B L M riots, etc). I wonder if she ended up regretting that decision.

[@PB-mp4rt]

@@essentialpunisher5181 NZ isn't any worse than USA. I have an American wife and relatives. Depends I guess where one resides. We have had a couple of major weather events, one at the moment, the other 2 weeks ago. With the pysop and the heavy handed gvtm response to objectors, people saw through the facard. NZ like every country needs an organic ground up revival/reformation, but I know it is God's timing not ours if that were to occur.

[@Yesica1993]

@@PB-mp4rt I hope there is revival there! It seems such a beautiful country. I would love to see it one day. But not with the crazy people in charge. And your national anthem is so beautiful!

[@austinrothjr]

My Dad is formerly an NZ permanent resident of over a decade. In that time he became convinced that the patients were running the asylum having seen the government bureaucracy from inside the medical system. Worse than that, he was of the opinion that the Kiwis had become so accustomed to having decisions made for them that they had lost all desire to be free. In God’s provision he was already planning to leave as COVID kicked off. He saw the lockdowns for long enough to really see them but leave before it got too bad. I think the hardest thing for him was seeing the golf courses become overgrown because it was illegal to come out to maintain them. Golf is his favorite (or favourite if you prefer) pastime and he was heartbroken seeing what took years to cultivate destroyed by weeks of neglect.

[@Wink81]

Recommended books on Christian warfare: 1- Slaying Leviathan by Glenn Sunshine 2- The emergence of liberty by Douglass Kelly 3- Vindiciae contra tyrannos by Junius Brutus (Sorry for misspellings).

[@JustinSDG]

thanks brother

[@crew4jc]

Thank you!

[@markgothberg1744]

Thanks I came back to the video just to find this!

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

Don't forget Patriarcha by Sir Robert Filmer...

[@EveryCitizen]

Thank you, so hard to hear what he was saying at that moment!

[@shanpastaflocka]

"Honey, wake up, a new Doug just dropped"

[@CornerTalker]

Slaying Leviathan by Glenn Sunshine Emergence of Liberty in the Modern World by Douglas Kelly Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos by Stephanus Junius Brutus Celta

[@possumhunter1179]

Foundations of a Moral Government by Michael Milton. It's a summary of Lex Rex. I'd begin there before reading Vindiciae. But, Vindiciae is still fine. Its English isn't as modern, though. But I'm tickled he recommends Dr. Kelly's Emergence of Liberty. I've been recommending that for a quarter century, and use it to teach civics.

[@MetroplexAerials]

Lex Rex also

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

@@possumhunter1179 Where did Jesus command or justify rebellion/revolution against the state?

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

Patriarcha by Sir Robert Filmer

[@minizimi3790]

@@Listen-To-Jesus Have you read the Old Testament? Multiple times, God declared that the wicked government of both Israel and Judea were to be overthrown. God ordains all authorities, whether by voting, a line of kings, or rebellion/coups.

[@davidswander]

The 3 Books Recommended: 1) Slaying Leviathan by Glenn Sunshine 2) The Emergence of Liberty in the Modern World by Douglas Kelly 3) Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos by Junius Brutus

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

4) Patriarcha by Sir Robert Filmer

[@tylerdavis6203]

Or you can just read the Bible...

[@grumpyboomer]

“The founders would have been stacking bodies by now”-can’t remember who said it, but it is true.

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

Who care what the founders would do, we should be doing what Christ commands of us...

[@jvt_redbaronspeaks4831]

Absolutely. George Washington would be slapping us around like Patton in a field hospital saying "what's wrong with you?!? Get up, get out there, defy the evil tyrants and their subjugation of the American people." There was providence in the American Revolution and founding of our country. The founders believed they only succeeded because their cause was just. Now cowards who use "christ" as a shield to behind so they don't have to do anything against evil. So much safer to submit to tyrants and pray in quiet. There would be no America if cowards and red herrings like "daily theos" made up the Christian majority in 1770s.

[@oracleoftroy]

@@Listen-To-Jesus Well, since the magistrate has the duty to bear the sword against unlawfulness, and since this country is set up so that we the people are the magistrates of this country, Jesus would probably have commanded us to start stacking bodies by now. There is a time for killing and a time for war according to God's word.

[@brendangolledge8312]

@@Listen-To-Jesus I have just finished reading a modern translation of "Vindiciae contra tyrannos". It appears that a common historical interpretation of the Bible is that God chooses princes to rule over a people justly. In the case of Americans, there can be no legitimate Earthly authority apart from a government operating according to the constitution outlined by the founders. We cannot rebel against what they handed down to us without very good reason. I personally believe that that government died in 1913, but it still remains that there is NO other Earthly authority that could possibly unite Americans living today.

[@tkinsey472]

@@Listen-To-Jesus The Founders followed Jesus, that is why we have a divinely inspired Constitutional Republic. If you believe in Jesus, you will do as the Founders did.

[@reniermedia]

Thanks for the Daily Doug. Deeply encouraging.

[@clarkemcclymont2879]

The church is fast asleep here in Australia

[@jackuber7358]

In most of these wit and theology filled monologues I come away a little Scripturally wiser and almost always amused. Today, however, that amusement is more rueful with the conclusion bringing a solemn noding in agreement. May our most glorious God in heaven rain down His mercies upon His faithful and swift wrath upon His enemies, in the name of the Son, who lives and reigns with the Father and the Spirit, One God now and forever. Amen!

[@jackiegreen3444]

Excellent. Thank you. Believers can not help but be sorely vexed over the evil paraded before our eyes. King David prayed for the destruction of the enemies of God, and with the authority given him, also set armies out to slay them. In the face of child sex trafficking, and child mutilation one can’t possibly pray for anything less than the immediate destruction of the perpetrators. The idea that a believer must “love “ everyone is completely mistrued. Paul explains “love” is to not sin against, which means as well to make righteous judgement. I pray daily for the wrath of God to be poured out on these devils who are tormenting and murdering the innocent, and believe my prayer is right. I believe if many believers would pray for this daily, we would see many victims spared much torment. “You have not because you ask not.” Too many have been convinced that it is a sin for them to make righteous judgement, and I believe they are useless in this holy war because of that.

[@eugenejoseph7076]

Why is it that many Christians who believe the end is near are mocked and ridiculed? Can someone tell me why the desire to be with our Lord asap is seen as escapism? I share, pray with everyone I can about Jesus's love and gift of salvation through repentance, but still long to leave this increasingly wicked world. Could it be that many actually love their life here in the world? I believe Jesus said something about loving our life here more than Him !

[@bryanrawls4794]

Outstanding sir!

[@stevenboyd593]

God's law is immutable, His truth is ageless, what a joy and a comfort to rest the permanence He designed.

[@jackmaxwell2637]

The whole thing is excellent but that last line was *chef’s kiss*!

[@davidcrutchfield138]

Great word

[@matthewdyer2926]

This is the one I’ve been waiting for. Thanks!

[@joashtunison351]

Ditto that

[@danielcarranza1957]

Its hard to hear such well put truth, But it is necessary. Amen! 🙏

[@bionicmosquito2296]

Thank you for this. It has long seemed to me that the apostle Paul was writing more to those in authority than to those under authority in Romans 13.

[@lukewagner8871]

2 Timothy 2:3-7 KJVS Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. [4] No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. [5] And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. [6] The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits. [7] Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

[@Rabbitburnx]

Good message 👏

[@ncgangcop8936]

Freak show appointments😂 💥👍🏻

[@statesrights01]

You know.. Was it just me, or did Pastor Doug just blasted double canister down the field ...

[@goodnews559]

I am waiting for my church to sing about our enemies and what God hates...Ill be long dead before that becomes once again normal.

[@kathyhart2309]

Totally NO offense. But it sounds like you need to find an actual Church. And I KNOW they are hard to find. My husband and I are 57 & 61. And we're having to drive about 45 minutes (one way) to the NEAREST (actually) REFORMED Church! But I is SO.... worth it!!!

[@nerdiah7948]

Look for your nearest CREC church. Or ask on a reformed forum for churches in your area that do such.

[@sonnyh9774]

If they ask for song requests.... well, there you go, or go talk to the music minister over some coffee or something.

[@possumhunter1179]

Just recommend "Oh God, No Longer Hold Thy Peace" over and over and over until they give-in. It's a Psalm in the Baptist hymnal.

[@andrewbrowne5557]

@@kathyhart2309 prior to the ‘Great Winnowing’ brought about by the Plandemic, I used to believe that one should attend a local body, well…locally…that presupposes of course, that the local body in question is ‘healthy’ (exhibiting the marks of a ‘true church’)…here we are three years later and it’s become quite apparent that it may indeed require a commitment to travel a bit to gather together with healthy brothers and sisters…I live 2 hrs north of Pastor Wilson and Christ Church, and we have visited a few times…we are so grateful to have found a local Independent Baptist body, with a young Reformed pastor just down the road…Go Bless you both!!

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

Losing weight? Looks great! Keep up the good work!

[@Sanctifires]

Been wanting to hear on this subject matter from you!

[@QKVCS]

YOUR ON THE WATCH LIST NOW DOUG ! We have black and white , which color you want?

[@dkroll144]

So good.

[@SAOProductions1955]

Illegitimately granted authority does not obligate my obedience.

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

"illegitimately" as defined by what standard?

[@JonathanSaxon]

@@Listen-To-Jesus Defined by his feelings of course.

[@tomjull1106]

6) When your employer encourages you to participate in the next multicolored flag raising du jour, refuse.

[@dylanmilks]

"Non-binary space alien" lol! 🤣 Thanks Doug for talking about subjects that most pastors won't touch.

[@jamesbuchanan3888]

I like to remind people that "the sword" was not given for any purpose that those in authority can imagine. It was given for one purpose. When used contrary to that purpose, the governing authorities become the evil they are supposed to be fighting against. Christians are obliged to protect and defend the oppressed. The Church has lost its purpose when it teaches obedience to governing authorities, while the same governing authorities are using "the sword" to enrich themselves and provide privilege for some groups at the expense of others. Obedience has a purpose. That purpose is corrupted when obedience requires compliance and complicity in supporting governing authorities as they abuse "the sword". For many today, "failure to obey" is viewed as a crime; while governing authorities are free to use the sword however they please. Romans chapter 13 has a balance. Obedience without reciprocal restraint on governing authorities use of the sword is tyranny. If people refuse to obey because the governing authorities will not use the sword against those who do evil, there will be chaos.

[@timotheus2003]

I'm not calling for terrorism (random attack of a federal building), but at some point we have to realize the Founding Fathers, and many Christians then, did take up arms against a tyrannical government. When I'm commanded to love my neighbor and the administration of a government hurts my neighbor, do I stand by and do nothing? Resisting an administration, either politically or by force, is not resisting the institution of government. I desire government, good and godly government, but when those who administer it want to depose God, I owe THEM no allegiance, only the institution in so much as it serves God and the people. Would they have allowed these institutions to keep existing? There's a reason the administration is calling the Founding Fathers domestic terrorists. The administration has reached a level of tyranny where peaceful, God-fearing citizens have become a threat to the illegal and immoral abuse of power.

[@jaymudd2817]

Did prayers stop any of the 20th century evils, I think not.

[@pj_ytmt-123]

The godly governments you desire were abundant in the middle ages, from Georgia in the east to Spain in the west. Sometimes I wonder if the medieval period (A.D. 500 - 1500) WAS the millennial kingdom??

[@pj_ytmt-123]

​@@jaymudd2817Prayers and intercessions work BEFORE judgement comes.

[@forgeandanvil]

I had to hit like because you were at 666 likes and that's unacceptable.

[@MWebb-de9pq]

My question: we are given the right to self preservation for ourselves and our families. We are also told that those who do not provide for their families, including protection, are worse than infidels. Is a Christian ever permitted to raise up arms against governing authority to protect themselves and their families. I see plenty of examples of Christians fleeing, but the moment Peter defends Jesus, he is told those who live by the sword will die by the sword. We are at a moment where some places governing authorities have passed laws where they can talk yoir children if you do not confirm their gender identity. If they come for your children, what is a Christians options, in context to our 2nd Amendment.

[@johnwurfel2862]

Don't blow up the nearest Federal building. The sin would be wasting taxpayer dollars spent on the building. Repentance, reformation, and then Psalm 147.

[@johnwurfel2862]

I would like to a a space alien. They had the coolest swords in HALO.

[@YSLRD]

@@Charles.Wright .....humor

[@johnmacrae2006]

@@Charles.Wright You would make a incredible patsy.

[@RomanZeNine]

What was that third book he was talking about? No matter how many times I replay it, I can't figure it out. 🤣

[@dirigoelectric]

Buy local. Use cash. Trade. Use farmers markets and small businesses. Do anything you can to not be part of corporate/facist America. Don’t buy from those who support perversion. Buy from good companies, not immoral ones. As best as you can, come out of their system

[@hyperprior]

Norway is the Ikea country? Serious question I dunno remember

[@hellepost1439]

🇸🇪Sweden🇸🇪

[@justingorman1068]

Was the American Revolution biblical? If so, what did the civil authorities beneath King George do that was not authorized by God?

[@kaylar3197]

Have you ever read the Declaration of Independence? There’s a whole long list.

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

@@kaylar3197 Those may be enlightenment values but are they biblical? We don't look to 15th-17th century political philosophers...we look to Jesus and His words.

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

Have you read Patriarcha by Robert Filmer?

[@kaylar3197]

@@Listen-To-Jesus My comment was about the biblical basis for breaking from GB as seen in the "long train of usurpations" listed in the Declaration. That is what the question was.

[@kaylar3197]

@@Listen-To-Jesus I have not read that. What's it about?

[@SrBakon666]

This video should be renamed resistance to tyrants and obey religious tyrants.

[@darrensmall4313]

I will research this more on my own but what is CREC and why does it matter? Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches?

[@kaylar3197]

It is the denomination that he was involved in founding, and he thinks they got some stuff right. Basically how you worship matters too; it can either prepare you for battle or lull you to sleep.

[@bloodmooncomix457]

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[@JamesLewis98]

Instead of saying "No King but Christ" and "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God," which breed impertinence and disdain in men, let's start saying "The King of my king is Christ" and "Obedience to godly kings is obedience to God."

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Until they aren't.... Obedience to Christ is found in very few that serve in Government

[@toddstevens9667]

I don’t recall the reference for “obedience to godly kings is obedience to God.” I assume that’s your opinion. Or is that an actual verse that I’ve forgotten? I generally agree with Doug, just wondering if this is an actual verse or your opinion. Not trying to argue, just wondering.

[@damianholmes3049]

Is “impertinence and disdain” all it breeds? The slogans you’ve laid out are at least 30 years too late. Our “kings” and magistrates have displayed mostly open impertinence and disdain for Christ our king. Now what?

[@toddstevens9667]

@@toolegittoquit_001 Not “very few” … actually “none” is more accurate.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@damianholmes3049 And what are you suggesting we do in response?

[@kylehenry358]

👍

[@Rievven]

Don't get me wrong. I agree with everything you said. However, I don't understand that place of tyranny in the argument. I don't understand how this is not saying God's tyranny is the correct order.

[@jessetoler8171]

LoL... Doug's argument for this "war against heaven" is the Granmy Awards??? So, an awards show that no one is required to attend is a "war against rightousness"…..?

[@elijah4606]

Because a skirmish is small or involves only a few combatants does not negate the wide war taking place beyond the confines of their particular battlefield.

[@Daviddowda]

How does tax resistance play into this?

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

I think "Give to Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and to God that which is God's" paints a pretty clear picture don't you?

[@oracleoftroy]

@@Listen-To-Jesus Not really, as we also know from the Bible that tax collectors had a habit of demanding more than what was Caesars. Does this mean we resist the tax collector once we've paid what we owe Caeser? Or do we go beyond what Caeser is owed and give in to corruption and illegal activity and pay the tax collector what he demands as well? And in the case of a nation with rule of law, what are we to do when an official breaks the law and demands payment or obedience to something outside the law? I don't think any of the usual verses justify illegal activity, even if it is done by someone in authority, nor do they demand complacency to the illegal activities of another, even an official magistrate of the state.

[@jhart297]

Erstwhile 😆

[@merryheart443]

Love most of this. But in America our US government is "of the people, by the people and for the people." Somewhat different from the "Ceasar" analogy. The government officials answer to the people & God.

[@jaymudd2817]

Do they?

[@CoruscantMe]

Resistance to tyrants is right, but depends whose god and what middle man wants Obedience. Only clowns require Obedience, instead of Understanding.

[@JonathanGrandt]

Take a shot for every analogy.

[@jessetoler8171]

Ok, so does god's law, when applied ethically, allow for stoning children for disobedience?

[@FlyTour69]

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 doesn’t mention “children” (little kids), but rather “son”. The parents also tell the elders that he is a drunkard and a glutton, further implying we’re dealing with adults, not kids. So unless you can show where in the New Testament that that part of the law was done away with or changed, then I have no reason to believe it shouldn’t be in effect.

[@jessetoler8171]

@@FlyTour69 Thanks!! So it's ok to murder your ADULT children.. LMAO...

[@pj_ytmt-123]

​@@FlyTour69There's just one small problem... Elders aren't the elders they used to be. Cross-dressing, marijuana-smoking, sex predators pass for elders these days.

[@jessetoler8171]

@@FlyTour69 Ok, so on your view, Christians should and would apply the death penalty for obesity and alcoholism..? Hard pass on Christian Nationalism.

[@ezrajeremiah8631]

Wasnt Roman's 13 written under Nero

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

If the generally agreed upon dating is correct, yes.

[@ezrajeremiah8631]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Why didn't Paul say what Doug is trying to say then? If it were worse then, than now?

[@oracleoftroy]

@@ezrajeremiah8631 What law did Paul appeal to, Nero's law or God's law? Romans 13: 8f - "Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled _the law_ (which law?). For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”" All of those laws were older than Rome and come from the OT. If we are to obey Nero in all things, why was Paul arrested? You need to reread the whole chapter very carefully. He tells us that we are to "do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good," and the measure he gives us is God's law, not Roman law. He tells us to "Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed." Yet Paul and the other apostles didn't seem to place respect or honor for Nero over obedience to God. They followed God's law, as that law is the law of love, and when the servants of Nero came for them because of their illegal good conduct, they submitted to arrest, but they never put Nero above God. It is the tyrant who makes laws that oppose God's law and makes good conduct illegal.

[@ezrajeremiah8631]

@@oracleoftroy I understand the different between Azariah, Mishael, and Hannaniah. They gave to God what was God's, and to Caesar what was Caesars. What if you are like those who rebelled against Jerimiah's words, just seeking after your own comforts and scared for your flesh? Part of God's law is Roman's 13, in regards to how we conduct ourselves in society. It stops Christian's from, say, trying to conquer. Thinking they do it for a righteous cause when really it is just rebellion.

[@oracleoftroy]

@@ezrajeremiah8631 _"What if you are like those who rebelled against Jerimiah's words, just seeking after your own comforts and scared for your flesh?"_ Ok, maybe. What if that applies to you? Maybe you let the seeming comfort and safety of obedience to tyrants override the hard job of obedience to God? If we are going to question motives, let's fully examine all sides. _"It stops Christian's from, say, trying to conquer."_ Yeah, but that is outside of what is being discussed. We conquer the world not through swords made of metal, but through the gospel, the sword that proceeds from the mouth of Christ. But in a US context, we are the magistrates of this nation, and God put a responsibility on magistrates to bear the sword. There is a time to kill and a time for war, as God's word says. Maybe Christians who submit to the tyrants over God are not willing to prayerfully consider what is really called for in these times where we have foolishly conceded ground to antichrists instead of standing firm for God's word, and that it doesn't require conquering a nation with violence to actually enforce the laws we already have.

[@SpaceCaptainDR]

TOp tiER

[@andinorth1507]

Actually a better book, simpler to read, and better at how to apply is The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates by Matthew Trewhella. Sorry Doug, I love you, but for some reason you didn’t really provide any applications, kind of kindergarten on this one.

[@velkyn1]

your bible is rather clear that this god puts *all* leaders in their place, not just the ones you like. You just pick and choose like all christians, making up what you want.

[@nerychristian]

The Bible also makes it clear that we are not to obey leaders that would have us do something that goes against the laws of God. We are not to kneel down before any man. And we are not to participate in activities or policies that go against our conscience.

[@velkyn1]

@@nerychristian Alas, it doesn't do that at all, with your god being truly incompetent in the leaders it chooses for its people. Unfortunately, Christians can't agree on what the "laws of God" that they need to follow are, so you fail at that too. "The Bible also makes it clear that we are not to obey leaders that would have us do something that goes against the laws of God. We are not to kneel down before any man. And we are not to participate in activities or policies that go against our conscience."

[@ashlevrier]

But what if you're baptist. It's not a protestant church.

[@PB-mp4rt]

Ah yes, but they do protest about infant baptism and an infant's right to participation in God's Covenant!

[@ashlevrier]

@user-ds6bd6kk6e protestant churches came out of the catholic church. Everyone seems to forget that there are lines of churches that don't come from the catholic church.

[@sonnyh9774]

Protestants started protested against the RCC long ago. I grew up Baptist and we've been protesting against the RCC in every church I've been apart of, so I guess that makes us protestants too. Just because you're late to the party doesn't mean you're not part of the party. Party on dude

[@ashlevrier]

@sonnyh9774 the church is older than the RCC. There's always been a church out side of it. Protestant churches still have some RCC traditions. Baptists don't.

[@possumhunter1179]

Baptists are most certainly Protestant! They're the largest group of Protestant Evangelicals in the US! Just beg folks over and over and over to sing "Oh God, No Longer Hold Thy Peace." It's a Psalm that's put to a hymn, and it's in the Baptist hymnal.

[@shenanigansofmannanan]

WE THE PEOPLE..... ARE CEASAR.....NOT THE POLITICIANS..... WE....ARE NOT....ROMANS.... WE...ARE...AMERICANS WHO LIVE IN A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC....UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT OBLIGATION YOU HAVE TO LIVE ACCORDINGLY.....

[@johnlocke6800]

This is exactly right. We're Americans dangit what do other countries or history have to do with us?

[@bridgeboy513]

Can we stop listening to false educators with dull eyes

[@ideologicalfather9650]

I'm surprised it took you 10 years to finally say something

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Do citizens in Syria or China have these “magistrates” looking out for them? Your take is in Western countries only, and that’s quickly eroding. I’d love for you to speak on the American Revolution, and how badly the traitors acted when British soldiers attempted to steal the gun powder near Lexington and Concord. Where do you draw the line? My guess is you would’ve sided with the Crown. The Founding Fathers gave us rights to firearms for a reason. How about we read “Common Sense” by Thomas Paine?

[@Listen-To-Jesus]

Have you ever read Patriarcha by Robert Filmer?

[@chuckcribbs3398]

@@Listen-To-Jesus No. Fill me in.

[@rockycomet4587]

THE PATRIOTS' PLEDGE I pledge allegiance to our President-In-Exile And to the Great MAGA Nation That stands by Him One people, united in our resolve To bring America forward Into a glorious new era Bright shining as the sun!

[@DM-dk7js]

Lol

[@MetroplexAerials]

Nah, Trump's greatest failure, amongst many others, was his lack of submission to Jesus.

[@toddstevens9667]

I certainly hope this is a joke. Yes, I’m sure it must be 🤔🧐🥸🤪

[@rockycomet4587]

@@cdobson3141 THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY!!! 💪💪💪👌👌👌🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@MetroplexAerials]

@@rockycomet4587 this is God’s earth and Jesus is King… and Trump needs to bow to Him.

[@FirstLast-gc1nj]

Luke gay fascist

[@billyrubin2065]

Uncle Dougie always seems overly nervous that some government buildings might benefit from explosions at some point

[@johnmacrae2006]

@@billtrubin2065 Terrible idea. And if one does, know that the Feds were behind it and some loose-speaking dummy will be blamed.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Don't be silly

[@justin10292000]

Pastor Doug spoke out AGAINST just that. Listen again.

[@billyrubin2065]

That’s what I’m saying. He’s nervous that eventually Christians might need to fight with more than words. The American Revolution and similar struggles always look good in the review mirror, but I don’t think we have the guts to do it again

[@Kikuye]

I think it's more like he says it so people don't actually go out and do that and then blame him.

[@meincomf516]

Pretty good stuff in here, but Doug is still ignoring the elephant in the room. Let's suggest some other books to add to your library: The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit On the Jews and Their Lies Adversus Judaeos Barren Metal Mein Kampf You can't love your enemies if you don't know who they are, and you don't love them with permissiveness. A review of the sermons preached by Stephen and Peter to the Jews is the best starting point.

[@JonJaeden]

Elephant in the room? You're taking the Nazi stereotype of Jewish noses to the extreme, don't you think?

[@meincomf516]

@@Charles.Wright you don't love people you've never met? Don't you donate to missionary funds? Or are you suggesting I won't ever meet jews because they won't get to heaven? Or do you mean never meet while living? In that case, how can you love Jesus? IDK, man, weird question.

[@meincomf516]

@@JonJaeden fair.

[@vulpespersona]

Also, 'Culture of Critique'

[@meincomf516]

@@vulpespersona absolutely. Though written by an atheist, an essential piece of commentary on the state of the modern West.