Retirement Flight | 2018 U.S. Air National Guard C-130 crash

[@skeeterhoney]

They did everything they could to make that plane stall. The C-130 is a beast that wants to fly. You gotta rack up the mistakes to stall it like that.

[@JimWalsh-rl5dj]

Never turn into a dead engine. A stall and incipient spin is inevitable if you do. You can do it if you bags of speed. The dickhead of a pilot caused this

[@cindysavage265]

Exactly, when I was AD USAF, on a tech training base with a crew chief school, I was told that the C-130 was designed for a short takeoff and landing, due to its role, initially, in supplying forward positions. There's a reason C-130s are hurricane hunters. They tolerate extreme conditions well

[@BillGreenAZ]

I was going to say there was a laundry list of errors that all occurred during that short flight.

[@michaelmoret4112]

Cindy Savage u

[@DannyECO7]

I know they committed several mistakes during the flight, but could you have a little bit of respect for all nine of those servicemen?

[@XxMrRoachxX]

Sounds to me like the crew should have been retired, not the aircraft...

[@miguelangelgonzalezmorales7319]

I'm a Puerto Rican New Yorker living in Puerto Rico and although I'm not a pilot I love aviation and always wanted to be a pilot and I'll call it as I understand it and to mean it was the crew's fault. As hard and as sad as it may sound how in the world could so many supposedly well instructed and well trained officers commit so many mistakes at the same time?. For me as long as a plane is in the air from the moment it takes off to the moment it lands at the last minute its the well coordinated decisions, actions, and reactions of the flight crew that count. But what happened happened and whats done is done may this at least serve as a lesson to be learned by all flight and maintenance crews everywhere. My these serviceman rest in peace Amen. MAGM.❤️✝️😐🇵🇷🇺🇸

[@ap-dh8md]

Well, they both were..

[@richardmcavoy6413]

Truer words were never spoken. Thank God these cowboys,(my apology to real cowboys), didn't take scores of innocent lives with them.

[@kellyhill430]

The plane had flown successfully for 53 years and the governor decided to ground all c 130s??? Sounds like more of a crew issue than an aircraft issue

[@richardmcavoy6413]

@@kellyhill430 Right on, but when something bad happens, "we" want someone to "do something." Politicians, who get elected by pandering and posturing to the voters, then do something. It's usually done in haste and is as effective as prescribing antibiotics for a viral infection. A useless cure for the wrong problem.

[@adamw.8579]

Stacked errors: 1. Not reject takeoff on signs "weak" engine. 2. Not cut off and feather faulty engine ASAP. 3. Tight turn toward low thrust side = wing stall. They made all things to commit crash.,

[@bushpilot4234]

Rolling take off was the cause, simple. Left turn should have been no problem cause it's not a twin. Airplane had to be fully loaded for this accident to happen.

[@sarahalbers5555]

An add in that inappropriate rolling take off. So damn sad

[@unclematt3]

@@bushpilot4234 I wondered about that, about why a C-130 with three good engines running hard couldn't stay in the air. There are stories from WWII of bombers making it home on two engines out of four. I imagine this C-130 was full of gas for the long flight and perhaps carrying cargo, and maybe all that weight slowed it down.

[@bushpilot4234]

@@unclematt3 Captain forget to call for flap reduction, that's what sealed their fate. I think they made like 12 errors that all combined to equal this crash. He could have aborted the take off, but didn't. It's almost impossible to crash a 130 on take off. Engineer did a poor job. Very sad.

[@burdickd2]

And the severity of these basic errors were paid for by the loss of the flight crew, passengers and a vintage plane. Sad and disappointing.

[@ace-x6m]

53 years of flight and its final flight ended in a crash. Wow

[@cletusgaming6108]

Well most planes that don't get fully retired get crashed

[@unclematt3]

@@cletusgaming6108 And the crash almost always occurs during the final flight.

[@aardque]

@@unclematt3 Then there was that final flight that began with a crash..

[@daverodkey]

Due to both ground maintenance and flight crews..

[@willow091]

@@unclematt3 interesting observation

[@FutureSystem738]

This sounds like about the worst flying skills from a crew that I’ve heard of in years. Incredible incompetence!

[@andrewloja5839]

Excellent video with exceptional graphics as always, Allec! May those who died in the plane crash and the relatives of the victims find peace when they finally rest and are comforted by their friends and family. Also, I deeply grieve for the 176 people who were killed and the families of the victims of Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752. I send my condolences to all who have been affected by this terrible tragedy. Keep up the good work, Allec, and Happy New Year again!

[@Hoser584]

No one ever talks about the flight crews as the most current crash proves? I think they had lives and so far it's not there fault.

[@ralphcharette7571]

Take a train next time

[@ralphcharette7571]

@@Hoser584 smoke a joint

[@MrAmmo2021]

I was in a briefing about this crash a month after it occurred. Maintenance personnel were the cause of the engine failure and the crash was due to pilot/crew poor communication and execution of emergency checklists. All of this could've and should've been avoided

[@BarbatoSpeedFactory]

Can you share what caused the engine to lose thrust? My condolensces to your fellow servicemen.

[@MrAmmo2021]

All I was told was that maintenance didn't follow technical orders when it came to a setting on the number 1 engine. I think they over adjusted something during maintenance didn't reset it back to its original level. That's why the rpms were fluctuating

[@ScottRothsroth0616]

Thank you.

[@BarbatoSpeedFactory]

@@MrAmmo2021 interesting. I wonder if it was some kind of fuel trim setting. Thanks for sharing.

[@harpoon_bakery162]

@@BarbatoSpeedFactory correct

[@Stubby0266]

Never turn into the bad engine.

[@oxxnarrdflame8865]

The C130 can take off on three engines , we practiced simulated three engines takeoffs. Engine failure after takeoff can be successful if proper procedures are followed. Engine out procedures are reviewed on annual check rides, simulator rides and annual written tests. It appears that the crew was grossly under qualified. A sad event.

[@thud1241]

I did a bit of work once for a European cargo carrier and they flew on three until they got to a maintenance base. They had an AC Generator disintegrating.

[@muffs55mercury61]

My uncle told me long ago that he'd been on B-29s and C-124s in the late 1940s & 50s and engine failures were common but crashes were rare as they were trained well on engine failure flights.

[@erc9468]

@@LifesongAcademy Huh - I was on a KY NG C130 over Saudi Arabia when they opened the rear ramp in flight to smoke cigarettes.

[@markhogan9435]

Not retracting flaps to me was the death blow

[@MrDLRu]

So wasn't the mechanic that worked on that engine.

[@artisanautobody3931]

The turn into the bad engine was really puzzling. I think that was the final nail.

[@watershed44]

Exactly..That was nothing less than illogical. Panicked?

[@BigRed999]

rudder inputs did them in at the end

[@classickruzer1]

That's like steering to the same side of a front tire blowout. Back tire, you would steer to the same side as the blowout to keep the rear from coming around.. ..

[@adamwarren1918]

Turning into the dead engine is ok as long as you have the airspeed. AND stay coordinated through the turn.

[@mileshigh1321]

What a colossal failure on behalf of the crew !

[@rickn8or]

Hot-dogging the takeoff and banking into a dead engine, no crew coordination...

[@Bartonovich52]

Nothing wrong with a rolling takeoff. In the civilian world we do it all the time because there’s likely already a bird on a 3 mile final with landing clearance. You complete most of your checks before taking position... do final items when lining up... and set and verify power on the roll. Piece of cake. Nothing wrong with banking into a dead engine either especially on a four engine aircraft were asymmetric thrust isn’t as great... provided you have the airspeed and are properly configured. Drag (flaps and gear) is part of every single engine drill. That’s all they had to do.

[@pipercolt1963]

@@Bartonovich52 I was thinking the same thing. In fact I thought they practiced engine out failures on take off regularly. If these guys can't save the airplane on 75% power then what the hell do we do when a 777 fails with 50% power.

[@pratyaybhattacharjee9437]

@@Bartonovich52 Game

[@Wildcat5181]

They paid for their sins.

[@scottjohnson1640]

When the plane started veering left on the runway, they should have immediately aborted the takeoff.

[@shapman280]

Most likely the plane was on v1 so they couldn't stop and it wasn't a big deal to be seen

[@timonsolus]

@@shapman280 : No, the aircraft hadn't yet reached V1, it was only rolling at 65 knots

[@zxbzxbzxb1]

Is a bit of takeoff veering that rare, especially with a prop plane?

[@igotanM16]

@@zxbzxbzxb1 Yes. The only thing that should push an aircraft left or right on takeoff is wind. Which can be countered with rudder. If rudder cannot compensate then the aircraft needs to stay on the ground.

[@anti_honey]

Thank you for saying "should have" instead of "should of"

[@PointyTailofSatan]

You never turn when an engine fails after takeoff, until you have the plane clean (gear up, flaps up, prop feathered), and minimum climb speed. This also gives you time to trim the ailerons and rudder, and get all crew organized.

[@branon6565]

So basically the pilot was inept, the first officer and flight engineer were both inept, as were the mechanics who serviced engine #1, and those reasons are why and how the plane went down.....

[@corbinhbucknerjr558]

Not the mechanics fault, things happen. However, the Engineer should have noticed within seconds that #1 was weak, WAY before takeoff speed was reached and called a reject. The pilot would have noticed the pull very early in the rollout and should have called a reject himself. The plane, with a competent Engineer and Pilot should have never left the ground. Even once airborne, you NEVER bank into a dead or malfunctioning engine, especially at low speed and when the pilot did, somebody else on the crew should have said something. I wonder what the flight tempo for this crew had been before and if simulator training was up to par. Either way, everything I saw here was astonishingly stupid, almost as though a bunch of amateurs had stolen a C-130.

[@fixerman001]

@@corbinhbucknerjr558 Not the mechanics fault....... so, who failed to repair /maintain/ or test Number 4 properly before flight?

[@dilligafdude9434]

@@fixerman001 just a guess but the flight engineer is in charge of making sure that the plane running correctly throughout the duration of the flight. Once they're in the air, it's on the flight engineer. On the ground, it's on the mechanic.

[@KB4QAA]

@@dilligafdude9434 Well, it isn't addressed in this video, but the maintenance crew improvised the repair procedure without the proper calibrated tool. They set the stage for the accident.

[@PetrichorArtHouse]

@@fixerman001 I HIGHLY doubt, the #1 engine was not test run on the ground after maintenance.

[@yoopernow]

Multi-rated pilot, thought "NO! NO!" Several times during the clip. Wonder how long it was since they got a SERIOUS sim emergency procedure checkout???

[@bobrenner7213]

Maybe the Sim training was done in the local Cantina?

[@MorganBrown]

I'm not even an actual pilot and was thinking NO, NO myself!

[@Wildcat5181]

Checklists, checklists, checklists!

[@richardmcavoy6413]

Checklist? We don't need no stinkin' checklist.

[@byronharano2391]

I had a shipmate almost end up with a 700 LBS+ empty refueling external tank in his lap (more like on his chest); the tank was mounted on a KA-6B. All because the ordinance team was completing stray voltage checks on the centerline pylon WITHOUT a Checklist!

[@revit-bim-cad-visu8298]

and a maxican bad-ass banditos smile? blazing saddles? or? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnqcm3mmZcihn8k

[@tomp8094]

The C-130 series is one of - if not the safest - aircraft in the US military inventory. Crashes due to mechanical failure are extremely rare and most of the C-130 crashes I have read about can be attributed to pilot/crew error. I have flown on dozens of (many times I have had the privilege sitting on the flight deck due to being the senior military member aboard) C-130 flights during my military career and would not hesitate to fly on this aircraft again.

[@motoxguy7]

During my 28 yrs of active Army service, I was deployed 3 different times alongside 3 different Puerto Rican National Guard and Reserve units. The CDR’s & 1SG’s we’re relieved of 2 different units for various personal and organization problems; both replaced. The third unit got removed from theatre for multiple reasons (incompetence, sexual harassment, infighting, etc...). I’m not sure who was all relieved once they were gone. It sucked because they seemed like good individuals but they always had problems separating their “civilian life/job/position” from their “military positions”.

[@ripvanwinkle1819]

For sure it called unprofessional...okay if it happens once a blue moon not if it's your character.

[@wallacegrommet9343]

Hispanic Island culture has its shortcomings.

[@mechcntr7185]

I was trying to find information on this flight a few weeks ago. Thank you for this video.

[@hernandezcordovajanice6140]

There's a 60 pages report on the internet. The original was almost 4,000 But pay attention just 1 paragraph explained about a screw, 25°... and a replacement engine that isn't suppose to behave like so.

[@gregvinson1]

Just a great channel. Your videos are packed with information and presented in a way that even non flight enthusiasts can enjoy thoroughly.

[@patrickvissepo5470]

You know the sad part my dad flew that plane many times when we lived in Puerto Rico. And the worst part of it he knew everyone in that flight one of the members on board came to my house a couple of weeks before that happened..

[@hernandezcordovajanice6140]

I did have two of them on my almots last CBRN Survival Skills Training and they were the best class and the most dedicated Airman's I had the honor to meet.

[@qwerty13380]

I think the whole flight crew deserves a Darwin award.

[@califcamper]

4 competent pilots, realize an engine is out no one says “fly out of it?” apparently the NG have to go back to basics...SO SAD esp for the 6 in back

[@craigfuller1532]

"Competent" ? No.

[@jaytowne8016]

The post says 4 competent pilots, that is incorrect. The quantity and magnitude of mistakes in this instance is effectively outrageous. It is not an overstatement to say that no one in this cockpit should have been there. The ineptitude exhibited here should call into question the viability of the Puerto Rico Air National Guard, should there be one?

[@edyoung9944]

As a retired C130 pilot - this is a definite ABORT situation !! I would like to know how recent was the proficiency check on what seems to be a "senior crew" all looking forward to an easy trip to Tucson. Complacency kills again.

[@WaterlooExpat]

Re: "looking forward to an easy trip.: That might have been the root cause of this crash. The flight was the last, for the aircraft, and therefore, a "who cares?" pattern of thinking might have entered the minds of the crew.

[@dks13827]

Ed, what do you think of the King Air crash in Texas last year ?

[@OxBlitzkriegxO]

crew quals start on page 25 if youre interested. reports.aviation-safety.net/2018/20180502-0_C130_65-0968.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3tTwnDeXWGI-X514lJeoTn2Az2vsWVIas1DTQWP_umB9XKn63fxXUYe5I

[@johndeluca230]

Ed, I too was thinking... they were thinking about having soft time while in Tucson more than flying.

[@ritvikvaishnav3472]

Great video as always.... Keep it up dear Allec! Btw I like your dogs which u post in the stories

[@pameladee]

Ritvik Vaishnav where can I see the dogs?

[@ritvikvaishnav3472]

@@pameladee Allec sometimes posts about his dogs in his stories. You can see them in the KZbin app on your phone.

[@pameladee]

Ritvik Vaishnav thank you 🌟

[@hyperu2]

Hard to believe they were an aircrew.

[@CurbsideBills]

Yeah, this was a very simple problem to solve yet they couldnt...its not like this was Japan Airlines Flight 123. Even though they crashed those guys knew how to fly a plane.

[@allgrainbrewer10]

An extremely incompetent one.

[@DeionDz]

@@CurbsideBills you can't blame them to tho they did try their best

[@canis582]

Sounds like an affirmative action policy gone wrong.

[@Bartonovich52]

@ canis582 Plenty of white guys have done more stupid things in airplanes.

[@chedelirio6984]

Follow-up, after the post-incident stand down, the remaining 130s in the PRANG were also retired as planned and not been replaced, the unit being left w/o a flying mission as an ops support unit.

[@jaytowne8016]

The right thing to do.

[@hernandezcordovajanice6140]

That's the true by now!

[@JJDigitalartStudio]

Lockheed WC-130. The aircraft is a modified version of the C-130 Hercules transport configured with specialized weather instrumentation including a dropsonde deployment/receiver system and crewed by a meteorologist for penetration of tropical cyclones and winter storms to obtain data on movement, size and intensity.

[@michellemonroe7442]

I always wondered what happened to this plane. Awesome video! You get better with every installment.

[@pwayne3580]

Massive pilot error. No feel for the airplane results in incompetent piloting and a wreck.

[@ArkyJane]

Pilot error? The whole crew screwed up! Pilot, co-pilot and the engineer. I feel sorry for the nav. and strap strechers.

[@dx1450]

I know there were major screwups, but I wonder if complacency and then a bit of panic setting in is what made him crash the plane.

[@neilherrera5497]

Rest In Peace to all US Air National Guard crew onboard C-130 that crashed.

[@aflacduckquack]

Indeed, prayers for their souls, though they brought about their own demise. But they weren't trying to do that. Humans fail. This one was just tragic..

[@kirilmihaylov1934]

@@aflacduckquack unfortunately flying is inherently risky.if several factors occur this is what happens

[@emmettcunninghamjr.5207]

"FAILURE TO FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS"...SOMETHING MOST SERVICE MEMBERS HAVE HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN!...MY CONDOLENCES TO CREW, LOVED ONES AND BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ARMS!

[@hernandezcordovajanice6140]

And failure to make the right decisions. Lack of Leadership! That Plain was a wreck 30 years before!

[@philmenzies2477]

Another great video Allec Just a clarification, @6:58 torque dropped to approximately 10%, ....and that wasnt picked up by the the flight crew?... amazing!

[@jerrymarshall2095]

Yeah like what was the engineer doing?I dont mean to put the guy down,but your sitting there prob with gauges and all that shit right in front of you.Prob on his cell phone txing or looking up baseball scores.Shit prob the whole crew were on the phones,txing and flying is a good way of dying.

[@ouroboris]

Excellent job as usual, Mr Ibay. You help us stay informed.

[@aeomaster32]

Yes, the flaps should be retracted, BUT only when: The aircraft is under control at a safe altitude (400 feet) above the ground at the flap retraction speed. There is a sequence of procedures to be followed, and one must not precede another. In general: Fly the plane Assess the situation (what is the problem?) Fly the plane and clean up. Address the situation, continue to clean up, Navigate, communicate, decide future actions.

[@markjones7803]

The number 1 rule... Don't make the situation worse.

[@astra1653]

Thanks for the video, very well done. On another note, have you started flight school yet? If you have, how's it going?

[@zacharyspoonamore3083]

That’s VMCair. Turning into dead engine already at slow speeds. As a former P3 FE I blame the flight engineer. Dude dropped the ball and killed all on board.

[@Bartonovich52]

Lol.. whut? Not the pilot who didn’t retract flaps and maintain airspeed? Could have had the best FE in the world and still crashed. A Herc is perfectly capable of flying with one engine out in any phase of flight

[@thomasmcintosh543]

Disagree, the FE did indeed drop the ball, then the PIC dropped the ball, then the SIC dropped the ball, then the airplane dropped into a ball. What a shame!!

[@Wildcat5181]

There are provisions for maintaining control but the origin goes back to the mechanics and their supervisors.

[@corbinhbucknerjr558]

I'm a former 130 engineer with 4000 hours, and I think you are 100% correct. The instant the throttles were pushed up, the engineer should have instantly noticed one engine not performing, and that is an immediate reject call. He should be the first one to see a problem of that nature, long before the pilot even needs to input rudder. The fact he said nothing up to takeoff speed is incredible, and by that point, the pilot was showing his incompetence by also basically ignoring the problem and taking that plane into the air.

[@mikejohansson6711]

In the '80's we had a KC-135 crash at Beale AFB, a student trainee was instructed to practice for cross winds. While on approach she struck the runway with the outboard engine left side. This caused the cowling to come off the engine and the engine to burst into flame. The aircraft was on the runway but the checklist called for take off and use air flow to put out the fire. They managed to take off but like this crew, banked the aircraft into the side with the bad engine. This caused a stall and the aircraft crashed into a field on base killing all on board.

[@hernandezcordovajanice6140]

Maybe could be issues with in the wheel. Its like the Pilots weren't able to turn the wheels towards the good working engines. That aircraft was a wreck 30 years before it's happened.

[@theresechristiansen9769]

The flight engineer had *one* job? Thanks Allec. Another really interesting video. Hadn't heard of this one.

[@AV4Life]

I hope this will serve as a good reminder for all of us to empathize the importance of safety and maintaining situational awareness, these videos show you can’t let your guard down even for a second. RIP to the aircrew 🎖🌷

[@nitramluap]

The only thing that should have been grounded were the incompetent pilots

[@carloscortes5570]

These guys where absolutely not incompetent..you are so wrong.this crew had been flying for the US Airforce/Air National Guard for years.they flew dozens of Hurricane hunting missions.in the worst weather conditions and always made it home.its easy for anyone to sit home behind a computer and criticize.specially if they don't have the adequate training or knowledge in what they talking about.the true fact is that aviation accidents never happen for just one reason or one person in this case.accidents happen because of a chain of events.one after the other without warning in one of the two most critical phases of flight.and in the shortest notice.so for you to say that any US Airforce/ US National Guard pilot Major.1st lieutenant is " incompetent" is irresponsible and shows just how ignorant you are.!! Paul Martin this is in reply to your dumb ass comment..

[@jaytowne8016]

@Gary McMichael You are right!

[@jaytowne8016]

@Gary McMichael Gotta agree with you Gary!

[@jaytowne8016]

@Gary McMichael And yes they probably did have "stellar marks" I suspect STANDEVAL at that unit thought highly of them.The proof is in the pudding that unit has no airplanes now. The track record there between the A-7 era, and F-16's and the C-130's says a lot if one reads between the lines.

[@jaytowne8016]

@Gary McMichael And yes they probably did have "stellar marks" I suspect STANDEVAL at that unit thought highly of them.The proof is in the pudding that unit has no airplanes now. The track record there between the A-7 era, and F-16's and the C-130's says a lot if one reads between the lines.

[@benharrison2391]

In 1956 I went off to college, my buddy Andy went into the AF, became a C130 mechanic. One weekend a crew flew up to Paine Field, north of Seattle, where there was a reserve C-119 squadron. Andy invited me to come and meet him there. The entire squadron was out there to see this fancy new airplane arrive. According to Andy, the plane was very light, no cargo very little fuel, and the pilot touched down at the very end of the runway overrun, which was less than 1,000 feet long. He slammed reverse, hit the brakes and and turned off BEFORE REACHING THE RUNWAY. The spectators were duly impressed. Try that with your C-119!

[@jmy6050]

NEVER turn in the direction of the dead engine, unless to avoid terrain. Even then, 5 degrees bank maximum.

[@JT-1969]

Wow, that much experience in the cockpit should not have led to that many mistakes causing this crash. I get how sudden changes can freak you out, but training should overcome this. I lost an engine on a Cessna 152 during a single pilot cross country training flight, this happened to take place over the Hoosier National Forest. At the time I had around 40 hours of flight time, I kept my cool, went through my emergency procedure for engine loss and am here today. Absolutely crazy this accident happened.

[@andrewalexander9492]

" Wow, that much experience in the cockpit ... " I'm not sure what you're talking about. The FE had less that 200 flight hours and the Copilot had 18 hours in the C-130 (Plus the hours he flew in training, about 200) The Aircraft Commander had about 3500 flight hours which while obviously more than the rest of the crew, as not a lot of experience.

[@baraxor]

As soon as I saw the plane banking to the left, towards the dead engine, I knew it was curtains. RIP

[@mypaceprogram9337]

RIP to the crew...great job on the video. What a shame, that shouldn't have ended in a crash.

[@Ksav_Cam]

This happened in my town savannah Georgia. I was around the airport when it crashed

[@JJ_Skippy]

What was it like?

[@deadendfriends1975]

I was at the Crossgate intersection about one hour before this happened...

[@deadendfriends1975]

@@allgrainbrewer10 um try again

[@allgrainbrewer10]

DeadEnd Friends Crap. Just caught the beginning part. Sorry

[@deadendfriends1975]

@@allgrainbrewer10 wouldn't lie about this . Just saying

[@AaronJPrice-ch7kk]

That's one way to retire it. 😳😢

[@Disco102]

I was a flight engineer on the c130 for a year out o Thailand. This was during the Vietnam war. My crew never had an emergency. We were blessed. While stationed in Hawaii in 1968, I was a flight engineer on a c124 from Hawaii to Davis Monthan AFB Arizona on its last flight. The plane had two cracked wing spars that was partially held together with chains. The other engineer and I took turns going down in p compartment to make sure the chains stayed tight. That was a long flight from Hawaii to Arizona none stop. I will always remember that flight.

[@stickshaker101]

@@Disco102 Geez, if I had a lump of coal in my bunghole during that flight I probably would have puckered it into a diamond by the time we landed!

[@timonsolus]

@@Disco102 : wiki2.org/en/Douglas_C-124_Globemaster_II

[@zxbzxbzxb1]

@@Disco102 jeepers! I hope you had enough underwear onboard 😓

[@paulkirkland3263]

@@Disco102 A remarkable story. I bet you breathed a huge sigh of relief when you touched down safely. :)

[@alansmyth2204]

Well it’s retired now

[@333anders6]

😬

[@paulvanobberghen]

This is basic flying operation with multiple engines : never EVER turn toward the dead engine. I have a few dozen hours in multiple engine and that was thought during the first minutes of the first hour of my training. Also, the 3 basic rules of flying are : 1 Airspeed 2 Airspeed 3 Airspeed. Some add a fourth one that is AIRSPEED. Unbelievable that this crew was ever qualified to fly ANY airplane, let alone a 4 engine large turboprop. The one who qualified them is a murderer.

[@nickmaclachlan5178]

Sounds like they all knew better than the manual, failed to do their jobs correctly and take any responsibility for aircraft and flight safety. The fact that both the ground crew and aircrew failed in their jobs so miserably, points to a massive problem within their unit.

[@DanielBrown-sn9op]

Why even take a flight manual if you're not gonna follow it? And what was the flight engineer doing early in the roll?

[@youneke]

What good is a flight manual in emergency, 900ft and 30 seconds to act?? At this point it's down to years of training and instinct buddy. They have to be second nature.

[@evilload]

In the flight manual there is the section regarding emergency procedures. Some of them (like in this case) are part of "boldface" procedures that are done by memory because there isn't time to break out the manual. In theory, crews are tested every month on knowledge of these "boldface" procedures in which they are not allowed to use the manual. Loss of engine should have been briefed prior to take off (retard throttle, feather prop, pull the T-handle of the offending engine and maybe discharge fire bottle if fire is indicated) or if the engine is still providing positive thrust keep it turning (take off because you are on a short runway) until you reach a safer altitude/position to shut it down but this series of errors makes you wonder if they ever followed their training fully. Any crew member can call a reject if something doesn't pass the smell test. Even worse, there was plenty of runway remaining to just stop.

[@christopherthorkon3997]

I am not a pilot but I find this videos interesting. In this particular instance, I am literally amazed at how many mistakes were made by the crew -- so many mistakes and in rapid succession.

[@sheldonvandal6895]

R.I.P. I hope current pilots and young upcoming pilots may learn from their mistakes.

[@JoshuasPHXAviation]

Awesome video Allec!👍👍

[@MattH-wg7ou]

Engine problems/failure below abort speed = ABORT!!

[@repentuklondonwatchman1373]

Lovely Job As Always, Young Sir

[@BUNKERJR53]

May the Crew "Rest in Peace"!!!!

[@lindadavies6109]

A profound tragedy. Needles loss of life and a beautiful aircraft even if it was on its way to retirement. Excellent video Allec as always! Greetings from South Africa 👋🇿🇦

[@RichMelvin]

Another example of totally incompetent pilots pretending to be real pilots. They all had their heads up their...uh...well...you know.

[@qmto]

and with a crash like that, the might have actually ended up that way physically too...

[@EM.1]

I’m going to finish it.....arse.

[@hernandezcordovajanice6140]

Bad attitude vs. Common sense. Stupidity? No. Simple... Lack of Leadership. The Pilot maybe but the ones behind them! Chain of Command.

[@MattH-wg7ou]

Love your channel! Do you have a video on the 747 cargo plane that crashed climbing out of Bagram (I think it was Bagram)?

[@toddb930]

That was quite a flight crew.

[@sarahalbers5555]

This crash was a combination of many unsafe practices, both by ground crew and the pilots in a very old plane. I can not imagine how their families and ground crew and others were effected by this crash, especially in light of the investigation findings. Question, is a rolling take off specific to military bases? Seems like that's where all the problems started. This was a very sad video, but an eye opening one. Thank you so much for, once again, providing high quality material to our aviation community

[@Wildcat5181]

No. The, "Cleared For Takeoff," command is at the discretion at the ATC Controller. The PIC can reject it at his or her discretion if it turns out that the PIC was not really ready when he/she announced, "Ready for takeoff."

[@The_Unintelligent_Speculator]

Talk about all the holes in the swiss cheese lining up. So sad.

[@rickm9534]

Man....thank you for this one. I remember this day very well. The news here in north florida had this hugely covered....as I have been on board many C-130's I wanted to know how this bird crashed. I was so surprised when I learned it was a C-130....tragic. RIP brothers, prayers to their families.

[@theoldman8877]

First mistake, rushed take off. I do not start a take off until I am ready. Old pilots and bold bold pilots. Old bold pilots are very rare indeed. R.I.P.

[@Blogengezer]

Watched Confederate Air Force B-24 with full crew, on running up power check for many minutes, several times each, then together several more minutes, before takeoff from a high altitude runway. Dropped, disappeared below end of runway, then flew out through the Ponderosa pines, golf course at end of the old Ruidoso NM municipal airport. They made it.

[@hernandezcordovajanice6140]

Rush takeoff? Ask yourself why they did it.

[@cellogirl11rw55]

Hi there! I love your work, and I'm wondering if you would be able to make some videos with a narration, as I have a hard time keeping up with the text, and it's a pain to stop the video to read the text every time it changes.

[@johntechwriter]

Inadequate training and a complacent attitude caused this completely avoidable fatal crash.

[@None-zc5vg]

People are human: they get sloppy and the "cutting-corners" trap is always waiting for them ["aw hell! skip the checklist!/ "We gaan! (1977)].

[@karlwelin7932]

Allec, I enjoy all the info you gather on these videos, although very sad about the loss of life. The few where everyone survives make me want to jump for joy. How much time do you spend getting all this info? Where do you get the flight deck photos? From what little I know, they're very accurate. Good job. Keep it up.

[@tomney4460]

Yes, I’ve been waiting for this one for a while 😁😩

[@joevignolor4u949]

The first time I flew on a C-130 we lost an engine right after take-off. Coincidentally, we were flying to Savannah, Georgia for a training exercise. One of the hydraulic pumps on the engine had failed. After we landed they started going through the filters one by one and they found that metal chips had gone through the first filter but had stopped at the second one. We were lucky because if the metal chips had gone any farther we might have lost the entire hydraulic system.

[@jaimhaas5170]

Joe are you saying these planes are flying death traps or just maintained poorly?

[@jaimhaas5170]

Did you notice we were never told what the issue was regarding the engine and who was responsible for it?

[@evilload]

well lucky for you the C-130 has three hydraulic systems with redundancy.

[@JKahil]

Man, that was quick.... Very sad

[@davidcole8448]

At the beginning of the video the tail code indicates that the aircraft is stationed at Ramstein air base RS , whereas it should say PR for Puerto Rico

[@youngtimer964]

Interesting, I was not aware of that kind of designation.

[@uwantsun]

fortunate a full company wasn't along for a ride, as these were real taxis of the army for troop transport.

[@Adrian_Nel]

Not the WC version,but yeah ... though busses would've been more accurate (?)

[@mfet56]

The engine guys literally said "fuck it...it's going to the boneyard." They didn't adjust the valve housing correctly which caused the #1 to lose power on takeoff. Normal RPM at TO is 98-102% (as indicated on the gauge). Mechanical RPM is 99.5-100.5 and they had the valve housing set to well below that. This is the reason for the reduction of power. This is also the first time in history that a C130 crashed due to mx negligence.

[@jameshenry3530]

I think another element may have been in play, besides the listed concerns. The plane was going into retirement and most likely never fly again. That could have well produced a large measure of complacency in both the level of maintenance care observed and the attitude of the flight crew. All that aside, the aircraft was likely very lightly loaded; with needed fuel levels plus reserves at much less than normal quantities. At that weight, a C-130 could fly quite capably on 2 engines, if they were on opposite wings. The crew was probably looking forward to some recreational activities after completion of the flight, before heading back home to Puerto Rico. I wonder how much attention to these human factors was given in the investigation.

[@None-zc5vg]

= 'they got sloppy'.

[@harbepirot6651]

Thank you for your job. Do you have any video about the C130 firefighter that crashed in 2002 or about the newer firefighter C130 crash?

[@birdnest5814]

Really good explanation of the failures. I usually don’t understand a lot of aviation causes and effects, but I got this one👍 RIP to the crew😞

[@hernandezcordovajanice6140]

Leadership!🤷🏻‍♀️

[@sloppyjoe400]

I work right beside the air port in savannah, I was on my lunch break at the gas station, roughly 200 yards from where the aircraft crashed. I had been in aviation for 12 years at that point. My entire adult life has been aircraft, from 6 years in the US Air Force, followed by the last 8 years in the civilian sector. Never in my life did I think I'd get to physically see an aircraft crash. To this day it still haunts me.

[@검은바탕흰글씨]

Tragedy for both plane and crew members.

[@imvandenh]

Really? I would have thought there would have been dancing in the streets after a plane went down due to incompetence. Thanks for your observation Captain Obvious

[@검은바탕흰글씨]

@@imvandenh Why should you talk like that? You didn't have to say so.

[@ralphcharette7571]

Somebody was smoking a joint last night

[@bbqworld2103]

@@imvandenh chill out

[@chappy4944]

Tragic... A few questions here, with an engine failure are you not supposed to even out first and take a gradual turn when alltitude and speed is safe to do so?

[@1310magoo]

"Holy Overreaction, Batman!" Let's ground the entire C-130 fleet because of a series of nugget mistakes by a single aircrew. Fault the Flight Engineer and Pilot for failing to do their jobs. Sorry, just calling a spade a spade.

[@radon360]

In fairness, they didn't know the cause of the crash. Until they determined it was human error by the crew, it was a precautionary measure. Keep in mind that this is a military aircraft. Unless there's an urgent need (I.e. Wartime activities), the impact is much less than it is to commercial airlines when a type of aircraft is grounded.

[@xairman565]

Look at the 737 Max aircraft, two crashes happened within a couple of days of each other. The determination was made to ground the entire 737 Max fleet. It’s hardly an over reaction until mechanical failure is ruled out. Or determined to be the cause.

[@csolivais1979]

@Gary McMichael, but it wasn't a knee jerk reaction on the National Gaurd's part. All they knew at the time of the grounding was that the pilots had reported a mechanical failure. So, no, ordering the fleet grounded for how ever long to check each aircraft is not a knee jerk reaction.

[@imvandenh]

@@csolivais1979 it was not a knee-jerk reaction on the part of the Air National Guard, it was a knee-jerk reaction on the part of the governor of Puerto Rico. Besides it's nonsense anyway to think that the whole Fleet of 50 plus year old c-130s had something wrong with them that hadn't been caught in the previous 50 years. You're talking about a very sturdy well proven aircraft. A craft with over 50 years in the air that had the bugs worked out long ago and Decades of safe performance. While assumption is the mother of all fuck ups, it is a fairly safe one that this had to have been either poor maintenance, mechanical failure due to age which would have also been maintenance related, or poor airmanship. And you don't need a PhD in astrophysics or any of that shit to see it.

[@csolivais1979]

@@imvandenh, I guess my opinion that it wasn't a knee jerk reaction was it was it's first flight after having engine maintenance done. So I could see how one might want to make sure maintenance procedures were being followed. I want to say there was an airline that was taking the engines off incorrectly because it was easier and faster than the correct way. A plane crashed because of it and when they found the problem there were 5 or 6 other planes that had the same defect. I guess to me that grounding the fleet to make sure engine maintenance is correct and giving pilots a chance.to review procedures in case of an engine failure to me doesn't rise to what I would call a knee jerk reaction

[@imadrifter]

I'm assuming the Whiskey designator in WC-130 stands for Weather, correct? I'm only making this assumption by the tail having the 'Hurricane Hunters' logo painted on it, as well as the unusual nose configuration, which I suppose contains weather specific radar systems.

[@Matagot90]

I will be waiting to see your video on the 737 crash in Tehran.

[@liamb8644]

Well you can’t expect it too soon, it only happened earlier this week...lol

[@sunnyfon9065]

He won’t upload it yet until the final report comes out.

[@Matagot90]

​@@sunnyfon9065 If the "true" report ever comes out. Iran was claiming mechanical failure before the last piece of debris hit the ground.

[@watershed44]

@StrangeArrangements Mossad/IDF shot it down using a captured Russian missile.

[@Eternal_Tech]

@@watershed44 The Iranians admitted that they mistakenly shot down the aircraft - www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/us-iran-news-intl-01-10-2020/index.html . The Israelis were not responsible for this incident.

[@canamx399]

Rest In Honour and Valour, you strong guardsmen.

[@aflacduckquack]

These guys couldn't fly a Piper Cub, let alone a military cargo transport. How many errors did they make inside of 2 minutes? Yah, gee, let's bank a plane w a failed engine into that very direction so the other wing can keep gaining lift and we can plunge to the ground like American 191. Which was NOT the pilots' fault. Thank God nobody else was killed on the ground. Nice vid, Allec...

[@scottjohnson1640]

John Sauerbrun Ultralights.

[@musicinspire1745]

The standard procedure when you lose and engine is to throttle back the opposite engine to balance the thrust to keep it from yawing the plane off course. They also give those engines some thrust prop prior to rolling to ensure torque is consistent. Some pilots need more training time to handle such emergencies to keep needless crashes like this from happening.

[@Heavywall70]

This old paratrooper is very grateful for the 98 crews that got me safely in the air Don’t worry I’ll handle my own landings #feetasshead

[@bunkphenomenon]

A buddy from my old unit was one of the paratroopers on the ground that was killed in the Green Ramp disaster.

[@robertdukejr]

"Rosado was an experienced pilot who had flown for nearly 14 years, had nearly 3,500 hours flying the C-130 and its variants, and was “regarded by many as the best pilot in the unit,” the report said."

[@JM-lw3nx]

Guess he thought he could manage it - wrong.

[@imvandenh]

No, he and his crew of flunkies didn't know how to operate their flaps or when they should. This was an easy one and they all fucked it up.

[@hahaLOLhaha72]

Great to see you cover military crashes as well!

[@GregSr]

As a KC-135 flight simulator tech in the USAF (SSgt), I observed 100's of simulated "missions" within a period of four years. I actually witnessed scenarios just like the one in this story where the pilot stepped on the wrong rudder pedal following an outboard engine flame out during takeoff. Just like in real flight, the simulated flight ended up crashing back to the ground. The IP (Instructor Pilot) would become furious whenever this would happen in the simulator. Referring to the rudder pedals, he would yell at the crew to always "step on the good engines" after losing power. NEVER apply rudder inputs to the side with the dead engine. It was tough to watch a Major rip into a 1st Lieutenant after crashing the simulator.

[@joewoodchuck3824]

What was retiring, the pilot or the plane?

[@Nobilangelo]

He didn't know that banking reduces vertical lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Bartonovich52]

I use online banking. But seriously, there is nothing wrong with banking even with an engine failure provided you maintain proper airspeed, proper control inputs, and proper configuration. He did none of those things. Even without banking, the aircraft was doomed.

[@Pooneil1984]

So many mistakes. From the engine maintenance to the flight engineer to the commander. Proper decisions at any one of these areas could have avoided this incident. Seems like a systematic failure from the National Guard to train it's personnel for so many things to go wrong.

[@vidviewentertainment]

Mostly military jet pilots remains casual as they have alot of experience flying the same jet regularly

[@Bartonovich52]

They had a lot of experience... but likely not a lot of experience with an engine failure or emergency. I’ve got thousands of hours and I’ve never had a turbine engine fail on me. We only train a couple times a year for failures.

[@sarahalbers5555]

Casual but not so complacent

[@scottgoodman8993]

Pilots seem to forget why things fly. Airplanes fly because there is lift to the underside of wings as air goes over them. The ability to throttle back and turn steeply (sometimes) lulls them into a sense of security. Until a wing no longer flies. You see it on this channel all the time.

[@Wildcat5181]

A B-52 crashed at low altitude right-wing stall years ago practicing to die by the A/C.

[@djcatron11]

So basically, they did everything wrong and followed none of the procedures.

[@46bovine]

Identify, verify, feather, those are the initial memory items when you have an engine failure in a civilian twin engine aircraft. Then aviate, navigate, communicate. Maintain an appropriate airspeed, in a twin you must maintain an airspeed above Vmc which is minimum controllable airspeed. If you let your airspeed drop below Vmc you get the results that this crew got.

[@hernandezcordovajanice6140]

C 130 was a very heavy aircraft as a KC 135... all of there kind. You must see real time video.

[@eww2175]

Remember this well, worked and flew on this acft. when it was USAF Hurricane hunter. Sad ending.

[@RaulLopez-fe2pl]

Eww remember the 53rd Weather Wing from Ramey. Stationed there 72-73. Awesome group, never an aircraft problem

[@eww2175]

Early 80’s for me at Keesler AFB.

[@chuckeberth4370]

Makes one shake their head. Cockpit crew coordination was non existent. The FE not only monitors the engines but knows the checklists and engine out procedures and is a backup to the PIC and co pilot. I attribute this accident to a lack of training. Rest In Peace to all who perished and prayers for the families. As I was once told, Eternity is so long why rush it!

[@jaimhaas5170]

Hard to believe the level of incompetence flying that plane.