Viewer Request - USS Enterprise D VS USS Enterprise G - Both Ways - Star Trek Starship Battles

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Even a pre-Dominion War Galaxy, if armed with the new 25th Century torpedoes would be a major threat simply because it can throw so many at a time. By the 25th Century the Galaxy is like a late WWI model Battleship, refitted in the 30s, fighting in WWII: Not state-of-the-art, but still got big guns and size.

[@Euripides_Panz]

@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 I can't see Geordi rebuilding D to exactly the same specs. Maybe the same layout and carpeting, but a few basic upgrades to the computer, sensors, power grid, and possibly slight tweaks to weapon recharge and reloads. Performing major weapons overhauls to a large Galaxy-type would likely take more than Geordi and some worker drones could accomplish without being conspicuous. Fresh, new torpedoes probably could hit harder with improved range and accuracy. Maybe not as individually powerful as a QT, but easier to procure in numbers.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@Euripides_Panz Good points! Well we know the drive section is the USS Syracuse which presumably fought in the Dominion War. So it probably has enhanced warp core, and all the other extras. But, if we recall, Geordi said he wasn't able to work on the tactical systems. So it probably had Dominion War level shields and phasers on the drive section, as well as possibly quantum-compatible launchers. But, as Geordi did say, the E-D was loaded with new torpedoes so yeah, if it can throw 10 modern torpedoes at a time, when _4 were enough to critically damage the Titan-A_ in the battle against the *_Shrike_* it is very much a threat. Plus, it is a big ship, it can absorb damage in a way the Titan-A cannot. It may also have had the drive section somewhat up-armored as part of the DW-Refit package the Syracuse got.

[@Euripides_Panz]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 "Wasn't able to" could mean a number of things, or simply didn't get around to upgrading the offensive weapons of essentially a museum piece. After the loss of Odyssey, one of the first few upgrading priorities was to improve the tactical control systems so a single lucky hit doesn't cause the entire weapons array to power-down. Next, would probably be overhauling the structural integrity field systems of existing large vessels that are the biggest investments in crew and materials. New builds would incorporate upgrades from surviving vessels from early War engagements and reinforcements to hull and framework. Syracuse was probably decommissioned because of the new Ross builds coming online, depending on the time frame. We've seen that ships can receive upgrades to major systems for a century with an intact hull. Syracuse stardrive would require extensive work, but still provide a very capable platform to mate with the salvaged D primary hull. Sovereigns might have had advantages, particularly in weapon types designed to be more effective against hard targets like Borg vessels, but older doesn't mean useless as shown in the series.

[@subspace666]

your assuming it would retain its fire rate with those new weapons , i suspect it would fire even more slowly then the new enterprise G if it can even fire them at all. kinda makes no sense that a new ship would be worse then one 2 letters down the alphabet.

[@Prang972]

I actually didn't like the Enterprise G, it felt like a tissue paper ship, that crumbled even from its own weaponary. It was the same in TNG that half the time they couldn't fire a torpedo because they were too close, and then you had the Defiant and Voyager spewing it at 3 meters.

[@rohenthar8449]

I agree. G is a big letdown.

[@scarlet2k189]

The Dominion War refit Galaxy or your RBG Galaxy Refit would definetly wipe the floor with the Titan A or Enterprise G.

[@Nicolas_Cage_Bees]

I recently started playing the game for the first time and I downloaded Bridge Commander Remastered as well as the RBG Galaxy for Bridge Commander Remaster among a few other ships. That RBG Galaxy is hilariously overpowered against default ships. Against a Warbird those quantum torpedoes absolutely annihilate them in less than a minute. Even the phasers do a lot of damage. I actually think it's stronger than the Sovereign and Sovereign Refit by a wide margin, but the Archangel Sovereign mod is stronger than the RBG Galaxy but just by a bit. The RBG Galaxy quantums simply do an absurd amount of damage. Not to mention the fact that it can fire multiple phasers at the same time and regular ships can only shoot one phaser at a time. I think the RBG Galaxy is supposed to be a Kobayashi Maru mod but there's a version on Gamefront that says "Remastered" in the title so I downloaded that one and it works with BC Remastered so I assume it was converted, or it just works.

[@kaeaja]

Of course the RBG Galaxy would win against the Enterprise G (obviously wouldn't beat the Eclipse Class Enterprise G) but that's only because the RBG Galaxy is so ridiculously overpowered that it doesn't even count, it wins by being an insanely broken ship that doesn't even have to try against most things. Using the RBG Galaxy is like bringing an Abrams Battle Tank into the 18th century and expecting 18th century tech to even put so much as a scratch on it, let alone a dent :I Also I get the distinct impression that the Enterprise G's Quantum Torpedoes are intentionally slow loading because of improper balancing, so this looks pitched in favor of the Enterprise D (of course not Retro Badgers fault by any measure).

[@marksouthwell4490]

Depends on the script writers

[@RockRedGenesis]

To build on your "A Galaxy has two sides" quote. I think from certain angles, the Galaxy Class looks like a cobra with it hood extended! The E-D did have fangs when needed!

[@s.patrickmarino7289]

It was like a WW II battleship against an Arleigh Burke class destroyer.

[@jonathanflugge3557]

Which is which? 🤔

[@hardergamer]

@@jonathanflugge3557 D is 40+ years older.

[@dave4803]

@@hardergamer Closer to 27 years.

[@hardergamer]

@@dave4803 ST NG ran 87-94 with last of Picard 2023 meaning 29 years in real life, But if we are talking about Canon, Where the Enterprise D 2363-2371 in NG, and what happened in Picard with Enterprise G (Titan) was in 2402 making it 31 years, Which is amazingly close! I had to check the dates just to work this out, Meaning we must both be Treckies lol.

[@dave4803]

@@hardergamer Yep we sure are.

[@VergilArcanis]

Round 1: Enterprise G: ded Big D: i got a scrape. Round 2: Enterprise G: alive but limping Big D: hahahaha gave you more trouble and got blinded

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Neo-Con Class is basically a medium cruiser. Even with modern weapons it is a class or two light compared to the non-refit Galaxies. A more equal match is the Titan-A vs. a Nebula or Ambassador Class.

[@stevelapierre4776]

😨Nice battle Admiral. gosh Ent D and G. well that ship lol. too bad no asteroid to launch at it lol. or a ship.. Yes The Ent D '' The Fat One'' lol , was tough, and funny in Picard was faster and multi firing like crazy with Beverly and Data lol. and the Titan-A, hmm.. like the Titan more, than the Titan A, -Ent G.. well hard to say.. in the show, it had no quantums, it needed them for sure, but if both had quantums, eeh.. Yes indeed would be a different match.. still great piloting Admiral.. !!!😊🖖

[@Euripides_Panz]

Never disregard a healthy supply of top of the line photons. There are multiple reasons newer ships stock up on them for any situation.

[@skylerroxasmidoriyatardisp2882]

It is always wise to never wait till Tuesday to get them resupplied. You think after the loss of Kirk they would've learned their lesson to always keep a healthy supply

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

I always felt they never carried enough. During TNG the Enterprise was said to carry 250 torpedoes in its magazines. But a ship that size could carry way more, like 500 should be standard for all capital ships. If the Cardsassian modestly-sized Orbital Weapons Platforms could carry 1000 torpedoes, a Galaxy Class could carry a good deal more.

[@Euripides_Panz]

@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 There was a reference to averages of 1/3 increases to Frontline Starfleet vessel offensive capabilities. Likely, the Galaxy had one or two additional launchers, with increased rate of fire and at least one or two additional casing magazines. Increasing the total stock to 400+ would be possible through the invasion of Cardassia. Then, if you add a couple more phaser columns and additional capacitors, you really step up the beam power. E-D even had a double-digit increase during a single periodically scheduled round of upgrades well into her active service. We see scenery where War Galaxy ships are running saucer impulse engines for their extra power and added mobility.

[@donaldshaw8710]

I have a viewer request: How about pitting the Eclipse-Class Enterprise G against the Constitution III-Class Enterprise G in a starship battle to determine - once and for all - which one is the better Enterprise G.

[@deepdivedylan]

Victory to the better USS Enterprise! Victory be to the fish in the ready room! 🐠 🐟

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

But it got destroyed 😂

[@elkapitan_warcriminalcoyote]

When the Enterprise D was revealed I always assumed she had a bit more teeth assuming Syracuse was active during the Dominion war.

[@matthewmcnerlin231]

the drive section should have been a venture refit

[@elkapitan_warcriminalcoyote]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was what granted her the additional ability to do a trench run into the Borg cube since her sisters were literally running about in all directions during Operation Return.

[@rmartinson19]

I like how pretty much every matchup for the Enterprise-G just shows how easy it is to dunk on the Connie-III. I mean, while the Galaxy class is powerful, its technology is literally 50 years older than the Constitution-III, but unless an incompetent AI is running the thing it still wipes the floor with the Enterprise-G. The Enterprise-E outclassed the D in combat, and the Enterprise-F outmatched the E just as much, then for some reason they just decided to take a massive step backward and slap the name onto a ship so completely mid-tier that even half-century old relics regularly slap it around in combat. We could have had a beast like the Eclipse class as the Enterprise-G, but instead we got handed a weak-ass tub of nostalgia-bait in the form of yet another Constitution rehash. smh

[@Euripides_Panz]

@rmartinson19 The staff seems to be awkward at times with preoccupation towards the Constitution and the term "refit." Have you noticed what the Duderstadt looks like from directly above? SRL-3 class would be a fitting classification for Titan-A.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Old does not mean not competitive. The F-15, F-16, MiG-29s, Su-27s are 50 years old too and still very capable.

[@rmartinson19]

@@Euripides_Panz Or Shangri-La II class, since it's pretty much the exact same hull, just upgraded to early 25th century spec.

[@rmartinson19]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 Sure, they're capable, and against today's third-tier opponents, an un-upgraded 1970s vintage F-15 will stomp some serious ass. But this isn't a third-tier opponent. This is basically a first-gen F-15 outfitted with purely first gen weapons and e-war packages straight out of 1980, going up against a brand new F-22 with all latest-gen gear and weaponry. "Capable" doesn't mean they're still in the front rank of effectiveness, it just means that they can technically still do the job they were built for, so long as you don't push them too hard or put them up against more advanced enemies. And given the absolute quantum leap the Federation's weapons and armor tech made after both the Dominion War and Voyager's return, any mid-tier 25th Century starship should utterly mop the floor with any ship from before that leap. Even a pre-Dominion War powerhouse like the Galaxy-class should be no match for something like the Duderstadt, in the same way that the Defiant-class would absolutely shred the Constitution Refit of the 2290s.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

The G held off an entire Fed fleet that had been assimilated by Borg, the D struggled for an entire episode to get a nursing baby Geki off its back 😂

[@retluoc]

Agreed... the D just has more raw power. If it had better shields, it would be unstoppable. The G has more advanced phasers, shields, and torpedoes, but it has a much slower rate of fire.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

How do you measure the “raw power” of the ships? 🤨

[@retluoc]

Ask Geordi LaForge 😄 I would guess that it would be the output of the warp core energy over time.

[@lasarith2]

@@dightonazpeitia4350- D torpedo spread (10 photon torpedos ( 180 isotons) (250 photon torpedos) 10x phase banks, shield power ?, enterprise G 3 Quantum’s @ 150 isotons G ? Phasers G ? Shields .

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@lasarith2 I mean, I guess. It just reads like ship stats to me.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Badger, great battle! On reflection, I think a *_dedicated Picard Season 3 Enterprise-D mod_* would be cool. Essentially, scorch marks on the Saucer, but reflecting the Syracuse drive section that was most likely a Dominion War Refit. This Picard E-D mod could basically be *_a mid-point between the DW Galaxy and the Generations Galaxy._* Items of note: *1)* Scorched Saucer Section, *2)* Saucer Section phasers are the standard Type X arrays, *3)* Dorsal shields weaker than the rest, *4)* Saucer doesn't have armor but the star drive does, *5)* But the star drive phasers are the uprated Type Xs, *6)* Star drive can fire quantum torpedoes, *7)* Mod comes with the 25th Century torpedoes that can be fired at the Galaxy 10-spread. *8)* Because the saucer has the older non-refit auxiliary impulse engines, this mod should be less maneuverable.

[@Rick79LUFC]

The Galaxy was in my opinion the perfect starship elegent graceful and armed to the teeth and capable of taking a beating the Enterprise G even with the modern tec is such a down grade for the Federations flag ship ....great as all ways RB 😊

[@dave4803]

The D was too fat and stubby, only has a few good angles. The E is better armed, faster and good looking.

[@Rick79LUFC]

@dave4803 Thw Galaxy Dominion war refit could go againts a stock sovereign any day for me the Galaxy design was a work of art a beautiful ship were function followed form its my favourite ship .

[@dave4803]

@@Rick79LUFC It was a fat stubby ship and more like a cruise liner than a battle ship. It was ugly and bulbus from most angles and couldn't even use it's full speed towards the end due to the damage it did to subspace. It got blown out of the stars by a single 20 year old bird of prey, it's bulk being one of the factors against it. Even refitted to Dominion war spec it wasn't a match for a Sovereign class. The Sovereign class took more of a pasting and still came back for more. You saw it go toe with a Remon battle ship in insurrection, even ramming it. The Galaxy class couldn't have done that. It was faster, could use it's top speed, better armed, sleeker and didn't have a single bad angle. The model of the Sovereign class won awards, the Galaxy class never did.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@Rick79LUFC Ah, the Galaxy Hilton. Unnecessarily big, and not very maneuverable until magically, the final of Picard season 3.

[@jacoby1234ification]

I thought the final season of Picard. They should have rechristened the enterprise, D as a dreadnought class as in TNG, all good things and made Captain promoted to admiral Riker

[@rohenthar8449]

That would be far better... but sadly, we got... this thing.

[@captwalker3459]

I don't understand how this turned out the way that it did. Why would they make a ship that was less capable than it's predecessors?

[@CaptainJonathan]

"Give it everything we got" proceeds to fire four torpedoes... "wait... that's it?

[@nobleloria5270]

You should do it again, but with the enterprise separating. Having two targets to fight against

[@ptaylor5014]

Do it again but with the D saucer separation, that would give it even more tactical advantage! like 2 ships making sure that G is wiped from history lol.

[@PhoenixBird9000]

Retro about the Enterprise G: Quantum torpedoes will be the problem, but they're slow to reload. Retro in the Enterprise D: Doesn't target the quantum launcher.

[@motaz1975]

G did not have quantums!

[@alanmike6883]

The Dominion war galaxy class However Is a absolute beast

[@thelegendarysolocard]

I think its accurate, the enterprise g heralds in the pre tear era we see in discovery and the beginning of the time war we see in enterprise. It makes sense the federation would once again go with spocks wisdom in terms of demilitarization. No klingons, no romulans, no dominion, no borg voyager had returned with all the delta quadrant tech the admiralty had to have been feeling pretty confident.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

This is an interesting point as well. Starfleet may have been trying to benefit from a peace dividend. The Rommies were no longer a threat, continued peace with the Klingons, no Borg threat, Cardassians are now more democratic and in a friendly relationship and the Dominion is officially determined to keep the peace.

[@thelegendarysolocard]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 it really makes me want a series that takes place between picard and the events that take place in enterprise when they visit the future. Potentially something that takes place in the gamma or beta quadrant would be good.

[@chriskman71]

Retro! Thank You for the great videos and help with the Game. I have one question, from the battle screen, how do you make the Power settings come up? I have to go back to the bridge with the space bar the click ion the character. Is there a keyboard shortcut? Thank You in advance.

[@XHunter442]

Old man vs new kid on the block!

[@PsyckoSama]

Lets be honest, at this point it's a 30 year old battleship vs. a newish light to medium cruiser.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Exactly! Finally someone understands ship class types. Big is still big. Even with a big tech advantage Titan-A is outclassed by the Galaxy.

[@PsyckoSama]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 I find the Enterprise-G to be utterly dumb. It's not worthy of the name. For every generation of Starship the enterprise has been the best and the most capable. Enterprise NX: First of its kind, the ship that ushered in human exploration E-Nil: Constituion class Heavy Crusier: Best line ship of its generation, fast, capable, long range... the ship that in many ways was the very definition of the word "starship" E-A: Constituion on Crack. Better, faster, but hit all the same notes for a new generation E-B: Excelsior are fantastic and kept serving for over 100 years for a reason. Even in the 24th century the upgraded version was a fucking beast. They were the most advanced of their time. E-C: Bigger, faster, more capable than the excelsior, it was the first step in peace time starfleets reach for the concept of the explorer... large, capable, fast, well armed, with an exceedingly long range. Glorious ship that died heroically, and the fact it was able to take on so many romulans and make their victory a phyric one was the ultimate symbol of the fedeations policy of speak softly and carry the biggest stick. Just the name along encapsulates the hopes of the design: Ambassador. E-D: The very incarnation of the peacetime federation ordeal. One part cruise liner, one part science ship, one part battleship. It does all three jobs exceptionally well while outclassing everything else in the galaxy. The Galaxy-class was the Federation in starship form. Large, beautiful, maybe a little inconvenienced, but somehow it manages to not only work, but work better than anything anyone else can throw at it. It was THE ideal of what a Starship should be for the next generation ;) E-E: The symbol of the death of the Explorer dream and a return to form in a way. The E-C and D were explorers first, reluctant warriors who still had enough firepower to take out the largest and most powerful mainline warships of their rivals and win. The Sovereign was designed in a world where the Federation was no longer the biggest dog and thus was built using an old mindset. It was faster than hell and packed enough firepower to intimidate god. It was the right ship at the right time, the perfect fast battleship to fight the dominion, and in many ways was the Excelsior 2. E-F: A second return to form. They took the painful lessions of the dominion war, combined them with the hopes that they could go back to the good old days. It was a massive, powerful vessel, they didn't skimp on the weapons but while the Sovereign was a peerless warship that was capable of doing other roles well, the aptly named Odyssey class was the perfect synthisis of warship and explorer, managing not to sacrifice on any front. It was the federation that learned it's lesson but did not abandon it's dream. E-G: A light cruiser that was based on a 150 year old design. The others are the best of the best and in many ways exemplify their eras. The NX was the optimistic first step, Nil to B were warships for a tumultuous time. The C-D were giant, optimistic MONSTERS. The E was from a federation that learned the same lesson the west is learning now, that there is no End of History. The E-F was a lesson learned and dream tempered with experience but not forgotten or abandoned, a return to the spirit of the federation. What the fuck even is the E-G? Most I can say is it's a perfect example of how tone-deaf modern trek is. It's someone who does not understand or want to understand blindly aping the past for content without comprehending the how and why. It's Alex Kurtzman's tone-deaf hubris incarnate.

[@XHunter442]

Ty for the video and LLAP!

[@ringo1029384756]

The Galaxy Class can be the meanest ship ever... unless it is fighting the Duras Sisters and their 20 year old Bird of Prey. I would like to see how a Dominion War refit Galaxy Class would fair against the Enterprise G or the Duderstadt Class Intrepid.

[@BTC909]

If only Beverly was at the controls.

[@ringo1029384756]

@@BTC909 I still believe that the studio's decision to destroy the Enterprise-D is the biggest crime of TNG production.

[@SackAttack81]

Kirk’s Enterprise outguns a Bird of Prey 10 to 1, and only has 2 aft phaser banks. The Enterprise D has 8 aft phaser banks, plus a torpedo bay.

[@BTC909]

@@ringo1029384756 Corporate Mindset: But were gonna sell so much more merch with the new ship. EHHHHH no.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@SackAttack81And yet it can’t re modulate its shields during a fight with a 20 year old bird of prey 😂

[@davidmardlin9733]

That's galaxy class to you retro

[@TrentonBennett]

I agree the D is the winner. It's cool to see this one and nice to see the D winner.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

After it got destroyed 😂

[@Whalewraith]

Space battles on the whole and Star Trek in particular have always required a suspension of disbelief but this format just highlights the issue. This is the manouvering like battleships when they are supposed to be rocking along at ridiculous speeds.

[@AJUniverse]

The game AI really has no idea at all how to fly the Connie 3.

[@masklessninja]

It’s smart enough to know it’s better off in another ship

[@Fyre11]

Plus it's definitely just an underpowered mod. The shields at the very least are super weak.

[@Euripides_Panz]

Maybe it's perplexed by the obscene number of engines for a mid-sized vessel that is officially an Explorer-type.

[@scimbrelo]

@@Euripides_Panz you never know when youre gonna need the secondary backup!

[@Euripides_Panz]

@@scimbrelo It's very unlikely. But in crunch, I wouldn't like to be caught without a secondary backup.

[@AJUniverse]

This one bothers me a lot. I know the size classes of these ships are different, but the more advanced weapons on the G should more than make up for that. I know it can't be represented accurately in a game, for balancing reasons, but different generations of shields and weapons really do make more of a difference than anything else in canon. We know this for a fact, since it was a given that, should the Enterprise-D return to Nerendra with the Enterprise-C, it would be able to solo all four of the attacking Warbirds, despite them only being one tech generation behind.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Think of it in WWII terms. The Galaxy Class is 1.5 generations behind but was a battleship in its era. It still has a lot of armor belt and armed with modern torpedoes and it is still a massive threat. The Titan-A would be a modern (for WWII) medium cruiser like the Cleveland Class. It may have modern weapons, much faster, probably radar, but it is still only armed with 6-inch guns to the old BB's 13-inch.

[@Ziplock9000]

Trek has always had a bad time getting advances in technology / timescale accurate. Ships that are 100 years more advanced would 1 shot ships from a century earlier. Naval ships today can, and that will be even more in the future.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@Ziplock9000 This is true, but also there are times of relative stagnation. An AEGIS Destroyer from the early 80s is still comepative with modern DDs built in the past decade. Like tanks: A T-80 with 80s era thermals and FCS is still a threat to a modern MBT. You give me a well trained crew in a T-80 and I could take out a M1A2, Leo IIA7 or Challenger III. An Excelsior from the TNG era is probably 70 years old, but refit with tech probably only 15-20 years old.

[@Ziplock9000]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 Those are exceptions to the rule. A missile destroyer from today example could single handily sink the entire German 1920's fleet without them even known the ship was there.

[@jimskywaker4345]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 A modern cruiser would wipe the floor with a WWII battleship.

[@Dracounguis]

Unless the technology rift is massive, I have to give the advantage to the larger ship. It should have more power. And at the very least there's more non-critical stuff to absorb damage.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

So your logic is the bigger ship better because is big! 😂

[@Dracounguis]

@@dightonazpeitia4350 pretty much. A battleship is Big because it has to carry 16-inch guns. You're not mounting 16 inch guns on a frigate.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@Dracounguis lol They don’t use guns. This one has phaser stripes. I don’t think either ship uses mounted guns. I think they’ve grown a bit past that, technologically speaking.

[@Dracounguis]

@@dightonazpeitia4350 it's called an example. 🤦 I wasn't trying to imply that starships use battleship cannons.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@Dracounguis Indeed, an example. A horrible example lol

[@Thurgosh_OG]

Encounter at Farpoint showing the Ent-D's ability to rapid fire Photon Torpedoes the best, I think.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Also TNG Season 3 "The Survivors" when they were fighting the fake Husnock. They were really letting the torpedoes fly.

[@martinbuhlmeier3138]

I ❤the Enterprise - D so very! Video is 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖. The Battle is top been.

[@irasspace5673]

You should do that enterprise G vs Enterprise E

[@tonysimek]

I always enjoy your videos RBG. Fun stuff!

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks 🖖

[@skyserf]

I don’t like the look of the Enterprise G. It looks like a step sideways and backwards in design and aesthetics, imo.

[@02ujtb00626]

Agreed

[@gicking3898]

Also agree. At the very least give a complete circular saucer. But given the nu trek horror we've seen, that was probably the equivalent of designing a beauty like the Ent D in their eyes imho.

[@warwolf88]

I know right it is such a weak and crappy ship😊

[@Dracounguis]

From what I understand the showrunner really LOVES the Shangri-La class. And given the opportunity he crammed it in as the Enterprise. Whether it made sense or not. And like others have said the nuTrek people really don't give a damn if what they do destroys canon.

[@policepatrol3230]

Not all starships

[@alexshank1414]

The Enterprise-G looks like a slightly redesigned Excelsior Class.

[@EcokadeBlogspot]

I want to see this one, but with the Dominion war refit version of the Galaxy.

[@StarTrekMarco]

So, the Enterprise-G AI decided to just do some barrel rolls and donuts that day, firing some phasers every now and then to throw into the acrobatics.

[@JoseMoreira-vo8cu]

G for GUY DRIVING!

[@alexanderletza911]

❗️The Enterprise-F should have been presented to us as a new ship and not a ship to be retired. What an outrage 😠😡

[@cmj0929]

And it’s a smack in the face to the Titan-A crew and all the sacrifices they made

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

Instead the F got taken out by a computer virus 😂

[@grieverzer0416]

If they absolutely had to give us the G, I felt that what should have happened is that the Borg Queen orders the Fleet to single out and destroy the F to demoralise the remaining non borg crews on the various ships and the starbase. "Now what will you do? With no Enterprise to save the day?" And just at that moment NCC-1701 D pops up on the Titans sensor readout

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@grieverzer0416 I 💯 agree. That is a much better scenario

[@davrk5429]

I think we all know which Enterprise we are rooting for

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

Yep! The G

[@aaronatwood9298]

Was that generations D or season 1 D... Different in terms of shields and other bits

[@valor1omega]

How about the Enterprise D Galaxy X dreadnaught vs the G

[@Jerkwad152]

The Titan-A might be newer, but it's still a light cruiser.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

It’s a cruiser actually

[@shaunchapman887]

It's always fun watching my favorite enterprise doing things like kicking tail out of its third generation successor. The galaxy class had to be so heavily over engineered in order to fulfill its intended purpose, and then you take into account everything Geordy did to the Enterprise specifically over the years. Even if you hate the ship, you have to at least respect it.

[@warhawk4494]

Can you do a Tactical Nebula class against either four Galor classes or a dederiadix?

[@mobeasley8577]

I didn't expect that result either...

[@chrismills2439]

D would have taken G out if you didnt take out its sensors......

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

Cope 😂

[@oceanwaves4141]

If Enterprise D had Quantum Torpedoes, OMG!

[@RailroadEngineer123]

The Schimitar vs. the Shrike who would win?

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

@RailroadEngineer123 that's a good question! The Scimitar can fire whilst cloaked. However the Shrike has it's portal weapon and who knows what else! The Scimitars crazy powerful though...i could imagine that winning. 🖖

[@RailroadEngineer123]

@@RetroBadgerGaming yeah, I was thinking exactly the same thing and out come as well! Saw that question trending on a Star Trek group on Facebook and thought it was an interesting idea.

[@JustinStrife]

I've always liked the TMP Refit and Enterprise E as my favorites. But the D And F are tied for 3rd and I hate what they did turning the Titan A into something it shouldn't have been. I would have been happier with an upgraded D replacing the F if it had to be done(I still think the F got screwed as it's a Gorgeous ship).

[@kieranholland1048]

G vs Lakota?

[@manonanisland1]

I was disappointed that the Titan was renamed Enterprise, it should have been named the U.S.S. Picard

[@Cyke101]

I honestly believe the ship shouldn't have been renamed at all (especially if we're counting it as a refit!). Surely Starfleet could find some other way to honor Picard, but the crew of the Titan-A died by the dozens throughout the season, and her skeleton crew still helped save the day. And then that's on top of all the other accomplishments of the pre-refit Titan, under command of Riker. The Titan deserves her own legacy.

[@james8449100]

A lot of people died on that mission and I disrespectful to there memories

[@MAZE4]

Hopefully Picard's fish survived!

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

He did, and HE'S PISSED! Picard Season 4: _Livingston's Revenge!_

[@jordanpc1489]

Were the quantum torpedoes added after Picard season 3? Or @ least in that 1 year gap @ the end? Cuz i remember that ship only firing photon torpedoes

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

They aren't canon, just an assumption. It was in Spacedock being repaired for a year. We saw Quantums on other ships throughout the years 🖖

[@Colyo62]

still mad that they put the big E on the titan A; since the very beginning the enterprise has been of the flagship class also what is with that reload speed? you could have one dude shoving them in the magazine by hand faster than that

[@Cyke101]

It feels like slapping the name Mercedes onto a Toyota Corolla. Sure, the Corolla's not a bad car at all in her own right, but a luxury car is meant to have all the bells and whistles and latest technology.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@Cyke101 Basically, you have no idea that it ISNT equipped with the latest technology. The G that is lol

[@Bu2Spike]

I'd award the overall win to the Enterprise D as well

[@TaldrenDR]

Is this enterprise D a war galaxy or pre-war galaxy? There was a huge difference in Galaxy class combat power during and after the Dominion War. Obviously the D was destroyed in 2371 and the Dominon War was 2373 to 2375 ... but what we don't know is if the D rebuild was War Galaxy or not. I would think the secondary hull and nacelles would have been upgraded at least, which is most of the combat power.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

The Star Drive is the USS Syracuse, which was likely a Dominion War Refit. But Geordi did say he didn't have time to enhance the tactical systems on the Saucer. So it is probably War Refit Star Drive and standard Galaxy saucer.

[@mushroom330]

That was fun, shame the AI is so derpy though.

[@MadMac5]

I know that when I play Bridge Commander, I often prioritize taking out the torpedo launcher(s) on my opponents. Watching a few of your videos, you often don't target those systems; any particular reason that I'm not aware of since I haven't spent as much time with Bridge Commander as the rest of the community, or is it just more interesting letting the CPU player put up more of a fight for longer?

[@comicbossone2411]

Can you do the Enterprise J Vs a Model-T Ford?

[@TheThewulasvegas]

Great fight!❤

[@kevinwestrom4775]

This Enterprise G looks a little like in various angles, like the USS Vengeance of JJ Abrams films..

[@gordonstewart4074]

Where do you get all your mods from with site so I can get all the different ships too please thanks

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Gamefront 🖖

[@gordonstewart4074]

@@RetroBadgerGaming thank you bro

[@darrensmith6999]

THANK YOU (: Yes yes umph!

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

Lol was this supposed to be English? 😂

[@darrensmith6999]

@@dightonazpeitia4350 I was a poor attempt to mimic Data when the Klingon bird of pray is destroyed in Generations (:

[@alexanderdeburdegala4609]

I don't where you got the stats for that Enterprise G... but the one in Picard Season 3 did not have quantum torps and was more like a connie than anything else. Slimmed down, fast, nimble, but by no means a powerhouse.

[@paulyerger3968]

I always thought the enterprise should always be a ship of the line

[@lamelama22]

Enterprise-D should win. Even though it's tech is outdated, it's not obsolete, and most crucially, it's WAY bigger and has a much bigger powerplant, and should have more weapons; which, means it can fire more phasers with more energy for longer and hold shields much longer. Even if the shields / phasers aren't as efficient. The naval flagship from 25 years ago should be able to destroy a modern frigate or something. Okay, it's targeting computers are better than the ones from the 1980s, but... it's not going to make that much of a difference.

[@williamreffner6542]

The Titan A should have stayed that way, it's a terrible flagship.Eclipse class all the way

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

Eclipse looks like a blind kid tried drawing a Galaxy class starship lol

[@rickyrage1985]

I think you might have gotten a different result if the enterprise G were to use photon torpedoes instead of quantum torpedoes like in the show

[@paradoxstate5018]

I've watched a few of these battles and I always get the feeling that some ships are over powered while others are nerfed, is it just me? or do others think so? reason why I think so is that the stock Galaxy Enterprise left a crater in a Borg cube, but also withstood several Borg attacks before its own shields failed, I'd say this bridge commander Galaxy is nerfed.

[@dougsmith6262]

Personally, I would've liked for it to remain the Titan or the new Voyager.

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

The new voyager, wow, what an awesome idea 🖖

[@stevebotham2018]

Secret strategy when fighting the D go for the gold fish always aim for the fish they are the real brains on the ship.

[@huzudra]

Captain Quantum torpedoes are loaded, should we fire? No wait for them to forget that we have them, then fire!

[@MisterMarin]

The reason why your aft full spread missed is because you didn't include brisket. 😉

[@matt927]

Where in anything that says Canon did the Titan (I will never call it the Enterprise) have quantaum torpedoes? In Picard Season 3 she has regular photon torpedoes

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

No reason to think Titan-A had them. 1) They would have used them in a fight for their life against the Shrike, 2) We never saw any but capital ships or the Defiant Class carry quantums with the sole exception of the Lakota. In Episode 10 it appeared only the Eclipse and Sovereign Class were using quantums, so it seems it was neither adopted by the entire fleet so it is very unlikely that a medium cruiser like the Titan-A carried them or could even fire them. Of course, Captain Seven might ask for a tactical refit so they could carry them after the events of the Borg take-over.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@matt927 Cope harder. It IS an Enterprise as in the CURRENT Enterprise. You may resume your tears lol

[@matt927]

@@dightonazpeitia4350 LOL

[@argonunya1543]

I don’t personally like the E-G/Titan design. It feels retro for retro’s sake. Nostalgia play in ship form. Gimme any of the previous Enterprises any day.

[@DieWahrheit2.0]

Enterprise G is like C...

[@kenwynn3871]

What about using the Galaxy X

[@gregoryboulet2061]

Run that scenario with a. Dominion era Galaxy class & the Enterprise G and let’s see the results. ✌🏾😎

[@gordonstewart4074]

I am have issues installing sovereign sx it crashes with I try to fire the torpedoes please help

[@PKPhoenix83]

The AI realized how shit the G was and that it didn't deserve to live. Also, the canon G had no quantums, just some slow photons. Redo it with that version please.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

The G held off an entire fleet of federation ships that had been taken over by the Borg. The D had to take an entire episode to figure out how to get a baby Gekki off it’s back 😂

[@PKPhoenix83]

@@dightonazpeitia4350 Plot armor is an amazing thing.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@PKPhoenix83 And we all know that the D never benefited from that, right? Not ever… XD

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@PKPhoenix83 Yeah, just ask the Enterprise D lol

[@PKPhoenix83]

@@dightonazpeitia4350 Yep. The writers of Picard were horrible. At least the D and the cast got 3 good episodes out of it. The rest should be dumped in the garbage and burned.

[@samspeed6271]

This is proof further that the Connie III is not worthy of the name Enterprise. I'll be honest, I was rooting for the Enterprise D but I wasn't expecting it to go **that** well. The Galaxy is really in battleship tonnage territory, but it is a lot older. The Connie III design is growing in me slightly, more than the Odyssey class design has, but I still feel like there's 3 other Connie derived designs that would've been worthy both in aesthetics and (at least in Bridge Commander) in firepower: the Resurrection class (Connie Refit Refit); the Cortez class and the Sobieski class.

[@timrobinson513]

How can we have an Enterprise G if the Enterprise D is still around?

[@Cyke101]

I appreciate that the Enterprise-G isn't a physical powerhouse. It spent much of Picard Season 3 on the run. On the other hand, I really don't think she should have been christened as the Enterprise-G. It's disrespectful to the previous crew and history of the ship. Hell, I don't think she should have been the Titan, either. The previous version -- at least what we saw canonically in Lower Decks -- seemed much more impressive. If the Titan-A is a refit, or if it's a follow-up to the Enterprise-F, in both ways it's a disappointment compared to her predecessors. The show should have just made her her own ship under Shaw with no connection to a previously known ship -- and if the writers wanted Shaw to have beef with Riker (we eventually found out about his beef with Picard), just have Riker be an older captain of his on the actual Titan herself.

[@brentbartley6838]

So we're presuming when the G was still the Titan A they didn't bother giving it quantum torpedos? Since they only fired photons during the season while quantums would likely have been more effective, especially against the Shrike. If the Titan A and the Ent. G have the same combat loadout then it shouldn't have quantums.

[@Bu2Spike]

If the Enterprise G would of been what we trekies consider the real Enterprise G ( Eclipse class ) that battle would of ended different

[@hardergamer]

Do the same again with E.

[@KirksMerkin]

I dont think Im OK with this outcome. If the D is so outdated, its in a museum . . . I feel like the G should wipe the floor with it. Otherwise - why decommission the Galaxy class at all?

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

According to Metalas the Galaxy Class is still in service with many undergoing the Ross Class Refit.

[@BlackCloudBoss]

It makes sense given what happened to the Enterprise D, and the fact that it's an iconic Enterprise, not just any Galaxy Class.

[@kavinskysmith4094]

Umm when did the Friggate Enterprise G have quantom torpedo's added to it, as they were using strictly the normal stuff in the show, and Mattaias seemed to have a disdain for them, as even the Sovereigns in the final battle scene, one of which was right next to the G, was just firing normal torpedo's at the station also it seems like Ms Crusher unlocked the full power button on the phasers, like worf throughout all of TNG and the movies must have had them permanetly set at low power levels instead of full power as seriously it was like what the hell Worf, this thing could have done THAT the whole time we were doing TNG lol that bird of prey should have been gone in 5 seconds lol also hows this for a request, Frigate vs Frigate, my old favorite from starfleet command vs the Frigate G, the Okinawa class, which they still havent made an eaglemoss model out of yet along with that really cool dreadnought they had in SFC too, or even that two engined one, that was like a forerunner of the stargazer as theirs alot of cool ships they've never made models of from the interplay era of gaming Heck you could even do the TMP version of the Friggate vs the new one here, the Shangra La Class, and props to the guy who built it, he did it all scratch made, as tested had an interview with him about the G and he didnt even know they were going to turn his ship, INTO the G, so you cant knock the guy with that one lol also it actually looks better in this than it did the show, like it looks more normal and visually interesting like maybe they overdarkened and glossed it in that, like here it actually looks fine

[@poil8351]

worf was still in shock after being dunked in the ocean on holodeck I guess.

[@UncommonKnowledge587]

The Enterprise F would be more of a challenge than the G, so it just shows how ridiculous the G is 🖖

[@matthewtaylor2035]

You have to ask yourself this, I think LaForge would have possibly snuck in upgrades to the Enterprise D while being repaired at the museum.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

He said he didn't have time for tactical refit of the Saucer section's weapons and shields. But, the Syracuse was a Dominion War era Galaxy and probably was refit. So the Picard Season 3 E-D was probably half and half.

[@MartynOakden]

Which mod is this?

[@dahlesa]

Neo Constitution was a weak ship during it's era. LaForge basically called it "kitbash". And Starfleet had limited recourses during it's construction.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

Really? It held off a borg invasion fleet comprised of Fed ships.

[@dahlesa]

@@dightonazpeitia4350 It was hit&hide tactic on last episode. Against Shrike Titan almost lost. And with against USS Intrepid they chose to warp at high speed.

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

@@dahlesa A hit and hide tactic? Tell me you didn’t watch the final without telling me. XD I said the BORG invasion fleet comprised of Fed ships…