Seven Serious ATi Radeons on Intel Core 2 Extreme - RETRO Hardware

[@RETROHardware]

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[@usmanshah8395]

The 9800 pro ( XT) was an amazing card and true king of the era where Nividia was struggling to catch up. I loved mine with arctic cooler also.

[@HauntedCorpseGaming]

I remember upgrading from a Geforce 4 4600 Ti to a 9800 Pro, good times.

[@jayd5030]

Your channel is a gem for all those who just want to see top tier exquisite hardware from bygone era which is close to heart. These hardware represent what I could only dream/lust after as a teen - in early 2000s - (Athlon xp , FX5200) I really feel the late 90s to late 2000s is when hardware really had character - from outrageous coolers to DIY cabinets. Post that everything seemed so clinical Keep up the good work!

[@--Zook--]

I am still waiting for my notification to join you in your time machine. I am not even looking to go buy stuff for profit. I just want to be a part of a giant lan party again.

[@jhonnyxyz]

I love this comparision. I had a GeForce 5200 64MB 128bit back then. It was terrible but i liked it anyway. I've bought a Radeon 9600 256MB after that, but the performance uplift wasn't that great. The GeForce 6800 NU with 16/8 pipelines and shaders was the real upgrade.

[@Adam130694]

AsRock was (and with that Ryzen 5000 BIOS for X370 chipset still is...) a greatest troll in motherboard industry.

[@Elecks.]

What you mean by troll? They made some great boards for (now) retro enthusiasts!

[@Adam130694]

​@@Elecks. AFAIK they're only motherboard manufacturers that made such weird combos as motherboard on this video: DDR1 & DDR2 AGP & PCI-E To add insult to the injury they: -proved that Intel lied and released BIOS/UEFI for non-overclockable Intel chipsets that allowed overclock -released AMD BIOS/UEFI that allowed 5000 Ryzen series to work on X370 motherboard I still remember AsRock in 2004-2007 being perceived as that "weird, cheap, falty-prone" company, similar to today's image of Huananzi or other gimmicky "X79/X99" motherboards companies. Fun times. edit: acutally Huananzi is great example of today times where they added NVMe slots on X79 motherboard despite officially "non compatibility" for such things.

[@DanielGT_93]

@@Adam130694 I'm using nvme in one Hunanzhi mobo, and at the time i had a Great time with a Pentium E2160 with ddr1 and pci-e with a Via chipset too.

[@Adam130694]

@@DanielGT_93 Via chipset on what (company name) motherboard?

[@DanielGT_93]

@@Adam130694 dont remeber the name, It was a green one, i think foxcoon. Had a p4 originaly, then i did a bios upgrade and tried the e2160 and worked great, add 2x1gb and a X800XT pci-e and played hl2 and other games, stayed with thid until 2012 when i got a Phenom X6 and now with a Xeon e5 2678v3.

[@zemstafreda]

Love the IceQ cooler, it's so quiet.

[@gordonfreeman320]

Love Serious Sam! Great video as always.

[@FloFloFlowable]

7:49 the Ati Radeon 9800 Pro IceQ ♥ I got this card in 2004 I think and absolutely loved it. It came in a bundle with a key to play Half Life 2 - couldn't get any better at this time. Thanks for bringing back memories :D

[@thracian]

my younghood.hl2 serious sam 2 cod 4 stalker pripyat crysis nfsu2 nfsmw. i miss my younghood.

[@ammaina01]

the two cards that had 90% of the market Radeon 9200 se and Radeon 9250 are missing ! :)

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Don't forget the Geforce 4 Ti 4200, also a pretty amazing, long living card.

[@davidcarrascodelcampo4075]

As you can tell that you like what you work with, it makes you notice ... a lot of encouragement ... I enjoy your videos, thanks

[@zhongyangli]

The shader performance of the r300 generation cards is phenominal. My personal favorites go to the radeon 9500 and the radeon 9550. 9500 can unlock 4 pixelpipes and have an almost 100% gain in performance. With 9550 I can overclock the core by 100% and the vram by 50%. This entry-level radeon therefore beats a geforce fx5700ultra 3x as expensive.

[@Geekzmo]

It always amazes me the great and pristine condition in what you get most of the hardware, that Excalibur card the box is like new! love your vids.

[@micksterminator3]

Seeing your game selection and framerates makes me realize I was playing the wrong games when I had my agp and pentium 4 setup. Could barely squeeze any frames out of it, ended up selling for a core 2 duo and evga 9800 gt superclocked. What a difference it was!

[@TheShivABC]

I love these cards, I still have a chiller cooled 9800 AIW Pro waiting on a new machine

[@captmaverickable]

What an absolute gem of a video.

[@Elecks.]

Core2Extreme & HD 3850 or 4670 AGP combo, that is some serious Ati Radeon stuff!

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Oh wow, I own a 9600 Pro and a 8500 LE Sadly the 9600 is one of those with 400 MHz memory. Still a nice card.

[@aloisplacek4685]

Great benchmark video. Only what is missing are 9700Pro and 9500Pro. Anyway thank you. :-)

[@benrogersdevon]

I had a ATi Radeon but can’t even recall the model now, but it came with the IceBerg cooler, & this was an okay cooler so managed to overclock the card somewhat. I was running a core2duo e6850 3GHz professor which I overclocked to over 4100MHz (on air.) I’m thinking the Radeon I had years ago was a 9500 which I was sold for very cheap off a friend. Also had a 512mb ! 7800GTX by Leadteck winfast. This card was totally top of the range when my mate purchased it new for about £1000. I purchased the card off him for a decent price, considering just how much it was really worth!! Most decent cards, in the 7800 GTX era were 128 / 256mb but the exact model of my old card had double this. Paired it with my Athlon x2 3800+ Toledo 2GHz overclocked to 2750MHz - without increasing the vcore at all! Clocked it to over 3GHz for 1mb super pi run & cpu-z verification. Yet another GREAT video bud!! Very good indeed. 3dmark01 brings me back a little bit! Think the top score I had ever was ~70k. Might have been with my R9 280x Radeon I had with my i5 2500k @ 4500MHz. PS: if you’d like to chat further, feel free to add me to Facebook or follow me on IG / Twitter. Cheers bud

[@ibobeko4309]

Either your friend got scammed or you remembered it wrong. A 7800GTX did cost new €550 in 2005 in Europe which with euro to British pound 0,68 rounded to 70 pennies is £385. And the first card nearing the 1000 mark in € or £ was the GTX Titan from 2013 and not a card from 2005.

[@adamw9189]

Test with Serious Sam. I like this.

[@wolfrain6674]

guy , respect for you! i love it to you retro videos ... best retro hardvers

[@tj71520]

Nice. I will consider those cards for my core2duo computers

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Even something a bit newer would do fine. All the way up to the HD 4000 and Geforce 8000/9000 cards.

[@RaPtOr9600]

8500 le performed very well strange card. I have 9600pro waiting leftover from my failed XP build.

[@TR2000LT]

I have 9600 pro in an working windows xp gaming pc

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Got both of them as well. They run, but perform as to be expected. Went with a Geforce 3 Ti 200 for my Pentium 3 retro build instead, because the 9600 Pro was a bit too much, and the 8500 LE a bit to little

[@zubryk11]

Very nice video shots! I like them, and the rotating table... this is masterpiece for me :D They hipnotizes when the hardware rotate on them. I remember episode when you showed how you did it , good job! Can you do an extra spin of this table with nice piece of hardware? Greetings for you!

[@guilhermedecampos8279]

Souls scenery.

[@hardwarechronicles9178]

club3d radeon

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Club3D, XFX, Gainward, Point of View, BFG, Those were some fdamn fine times.

[@hardwarechronicles9178]

@@HappyBeezerStudios Those brands made me getting more into pc gaming to be honest dope man ;) and those were the brands of the day

[@cuttingedgeretro9164]

RETRO Hardware mystery solved. His best gaming era is XP late AGP/early PCIe

[@danlaurentiu558]

I believe that CPU was 2 years ahead of that 9800 XT but anyway..... good video and very good old memories : ) And after 20 years they still work :) Very nice. PS: Test 3dmark05 or 06 next time for the same configuration or something similar. Thanks

[@GTFour]

Newer faster cpu means no system bottleneck so truly shows each cards possible performance

[@alensabanovic747]

Nice 9000 series benchmark :D

[@Ridley1911]

Good ol Serious Sam II, i used to play that on a 9600pro and a pentium 4 back in 07.

[@RETROHardware]

So ... 9000 and 8500 LE were crashing in OpenGL with Omega drivers. I used original ATi Catalysts for good working. But they were crashing in D3D :-) This is because cards are to old for WIN XP and maybe overpowered setup with VIA chipset. These cards will be more usefull in WIN 98.

[@framebuffer.10]

Not sure if the cause of these issues is that cards are too old for XP; the 8500 launched just a few months before XP and the 9000 almost one year after XP. I'd say that most likely it's a driver issue of some sort (hw issue targeting a specific API sounds strange too). Also the 9800XT has no reasons to stay behind the 9800Pro as you reported in some tests Anyways this is just my opinion, nothing *Serious* :-)

[@RETROHardware]

Problems with ATi drivers are notorious. I used original Hercules driver for 9000 and it was crashing in 2D :-) Q3 is not good for XT ... anyway FX59xx are better than 9800 in Q3.

[@usmanshah8395]

XP would make these shine, if you struggle I have some catalyst drivers from the era.

[@Stermy57HW]

No! ATI R3XX and R2xx are more suitable for Windows 2000/XP. Your is a driver issues. You just need to use Catalyst 6.10 and your problem will go away. Early catalyst version are terrible, usually 3.x and 4.x revision. ATI driver are stable and good, you just need to know which version is good.

[@yukisaitou5004]

Have you tried disabling AGP fast writes? In my experience that setting can cause issues on VIA chipsets especially with multiple CPUs/cores.

[@nimakhosravi6476]

love ATI"S

[@istvankelemen3376]

Excellent test and great work again! Respect!! :-)

[@tj71520]

Looks like some start 2000 era hardware on xp just like geforce 2 cards

[@ApostolCV]

Such cool cooler (Zalmal) for low-end card (9500)😵

[@framebuffer.10]

Awesome, love the R2x0 and R3x0 series. Do you ever overclock your video cards?

[@RETROHardware]

I’am not to much for GPU OC with these old cards ... happy that some are still working :-)

[@YasinCngz]

I was playing tdu with 9600pro.

[@sokol_47]

You make best pc part reviews on yt

[@superkirpi1405]

Wow nice compare. thanks everything.

[@TheBeelzebub]

Don't forget that a lot of 9700 Non Pro's by sapphire could be flashed to Pro's!

[@RETROHardware]

Yep maybe yes

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And quite some 9500 Pro could be flashed to 9700 non-Pro because they were practically the same card.

[@TheBeelzebub]

@@HappyBeezerStudios Yeah, you could tell by the PCB layout.

[@iceManSwag]

After Leadtek GeForce 4400Ti I got the Sapphire Radeon 9800Pro I flashed it with the 9800XT ROM for fun + OC. Coupled with an Athlon XP I think it was.

[@modernandretrogaming]

I have Radeon 9500 which can be unlocked to 9500 PRO, and also 9000 PRO, 9600.

[@rubents86]

Me encanta esa cpu yo la tengo a 4.5 desde hace más de un año y sigue estable con una 1050 👍🏻💪🏼

[@benoittheminerandgamer]

Wow! good work!! Is Nvidia gpu better?

[@defo8811]

What are you using for lubricating the fans ?

[@bitelaserkhalif]

I use motor oil 10w-40, sewing machine oil works too Just don't use cooking oil

[@RETROHardware]

silicone oil only, motor oil has additives = not good for plastic parts

[@dojahmastah7156]

Gems!

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

You make this series look good. Unfortunately, my past experiences with them doesn't mirror how good you make them look. I _thought_ I was doing the right thing by going with a built by ATI model, and long story short... six RMA's later and every replacement was somehow worse than the last. Every monthly driver release, prompted an entirely new windows installation because they would constantly conflict with everything, ever. Nevermind how any driver past 4.2 catalyst basically meant I could kiss OpenGL goodbye.

[@GTFour]

I had the same driver issues back then, was s continually reinstalling nightmare 😩 it put me off ATI cards for ever after 😞

[@ThiagoBulbov]

Ooooh gooood

[@n-np5369]

0:14 the british accent of the dragon..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 intresting video with intresting graphic cards(and dirt😋) some of them have molex connectors🤔 why they havent pcie connectors?

[@yosuhara]

Back then PSU didn't have PCIe connectors as standard, at time of these cards PCI-E was just coming out. But Molex was always there :) Some cards even have floppy power connectors for addtitional voltage supply.

[@GTFour]

You’re asking why there’s no pcie connector on a non pcie card 😁

[@dulu123123]

Can you think about make something opposite in future? More precisely, maybe you can take the fastest possible agp card (4670? 3870? 3870?) and pair with barton 3200, northwood 3,06 or even tually 1,4 in order to answer a question - how many years can you keep cpu setup and only change gpu to play 60fps in 1024p. :P

[@ブラット_THGOGS24U_AoV]

Why Gtx 1080 And 16gb Ram And Core i7 7700k Is For Windows 10 But Windows XP End Of Support Upgrade Now

[@iceagex]

Serious Sam 2, the best Serious game.

[@wishusknight3009]

its too bad you didn't have a 9500Pro to compare. They were only a few % slower than the 9700 nonpro, Certainly closer to the 9700 than they were the 9500..

[@bagoes99]

Those are relic pC master race

[@sheppardpat47]

Hello! Where does the first clip that the GPU was encoding come from please?

[@PROSTO4Tabal]

9500 crap performance 128mb card, but cooler is nice indeed

[@sirfairplay9153]

I presume this mobo is the highest end with a agp slot, it's a strange board

[@yosuhara]

Yep, you can even put a quad core LGA775 cpu in it. Basically last and most powerful platform for any AGP testing.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

While the chipset is far from highend for the CPU (there are others like Intel P35745 X38/48 and nforce 790 SLI, some with support for DDR2-1200 and even DDR3), this board does support AGP. You won't get your Core 2 Quad to 4 GHz on it, but there are few, if any, AGP cards that need that.

[@sirfairplay9153]

@@HappyBeezerStudios yes, what i'm saying is, this must be the highest end AGP mobo, i've owned all the chipsets you mentioned over the years, you won't find an AGP slot on any of those boards

[@GTFour]

Any thoughts on 9600SE? I need a low profile AGP windows 98 card :/

[@manuelmunoz4054]

Hi mate can u use agp and pcie at the same time on this mobo?

[@-BEASTOR-]

O man, that Zalman cooler, It was so terrible

[@Salatielpereira89980]

Hello friend, do you sell any items from the videos?

[@MrLachgas]

Nice comparisons, but I miss the typical music in your videos 😒

[@jovanbabovic5941]

24:40

[@EugeneBondarenko-z6u]

Would like to hear at least a bit of your voice in videos.

[@Stermy57HW]

No! ATI R3XX and R2xx are more suitable for Windows 2000/XP. Your is a driver issues. You just need to use Catalyst 6.10 and your problem will go away. Early catalyst version are terrible, usually 3.x and 4.x revision. ATI driver are stable and good, you just need to use the latest driver version. ATI and AMD usually supports their products even years later. Just take a look at AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series. Nvidia 600/700/900 are almost dead. Catalyst driver are like a good wine. Nvidia driver are incredibly at the beginning but than...

[@SBTKostya2008]

5 video cards are WDDM 1.0, 2 does not have WDDM.

[@fradd182]

I think that 8500 was the first radeon card ever. Before, there was ati rage 128 model, or something like that.

[@yosuhara]

nope, It was launched in 2000 with R100 chip and was simply called "Radeon" later rebranded as Radeon 7000 series

[@fradd182]

@@yosuhara thanks

[@nimakhosravi6476]

retro harware if your gpus are artifacting put some solder flux under the chip and use a heater and set it to 380 celcius or a heat gun and heat it for 8 minutes then clean the flux and your gpu is FIXED if you have any questions ask me

[@yosuhara]

Which chip? GPU, Ram chips? What if the RAM chip is simply faulty? There is no easy solution, especially for cards of this rarity and age.

[@nimakhosravi6476]

@@yosuharaa lot of times thermal paste gets dry and gpu overheats and cold solder itself i can tell by the display its failed ram chip or gpu chip failure or a cold solder

[@yosuhara]

@@nimakhosravi6476 Yep, thermal stress is what's killing a lot of GPU's because of inadequate cooling solution or dried up thermal transfer materials. I'm just saying that if it was some generic/newer card without real value, go ahead and hit it with heat gun. Not so much with this rare specimens. I don't think you should just experiment on them. Either give it to professional to diagnose/repair or risk killing the still somewhat working card altogether.

[@chloedevereaux1801]

none of these cards could touch my sapphire 9600 xt fireblade edition.