Harley Davidson Fail EU Customs Appeal | Harleys Get More Expensive For Europe

[@catman2629]

Normally agricultural vehicles have low tariffs so a bit of a surprise.

[@overland_adventure_nz]

Well said about the boat anchors.

[@888jackflash]

"Harley-Davidsons, made of tin; Ride 'em out and Push 'em in". - old 1920's Indian saying

[@FC-lf9oh]

🤣👍

[@Kevin97587]

Same here in Belgium, prices of harley davidson have skyrocketted the last few years. And dealers are struggling to sell anything. The dealership closest to me is sitting on inventory from 2022 and upwards. The bikes are just too expensive.

[@catman2629]

In Uk our local HD dealer closed and Honda are selling the Hornet 1000SP for £9999, which comes with ABS Traction control Brembo brakes and Ohlins shock and 155 bhp

[@richmotion]

Here in Austria a Street Glide starts at about 40.000 Euros/USD, almost the same. I visited a dealer in the US this year and left with tears because of the cheap Harleys there. Not to mention taxes and depending where in the US you live you can ride all year long. We have winter and salt on the streets for several months of the year... Just a thought: Big motorcycles only sell in the US and EU. No other part of the world buys motorcycles exceeding 300cc in large numbers...

[@GerryPowell-r6s]

I still cannot understand who would pay the ridiculous amount of money for what Harley charges;they are killing themselves.

[@CaptainRon1913]

Well, when a Yamaha R1 S cost $27k, what does that tell you? And the BMW equivalent touring bikes are more

[@iio58]

Yeh. I bought brand new Harley low Rider S £20K. My R1 new in 2007 was £7K on a deal, that R1 on the last model year was £24K, then by the time I’d specced a reasonable BMW GS - £23K. So Harley is no kore expensive than any other bike

[@clivewalker5465]

Not only the purchase price , but all the upgrades to make them reliable . I have seen where the crank runout on a new engine was over 12 Thou , instead of 3 thou . Harley tell you that YOU are buying a Base Model , and can customise it to your choice , at a '' cost '' of course .

[@michals1108]

I don’t get it either.

[@JA-zh5xi]

People who want Harley quality and have a successful career.

[@paulfreespirit]

When Triumph Motorcycles shifted all their production of bikes to Thailand several years ago, their prices didn't come down!

[@mikeskidmore6754]

Not much though I think some entry level models are more modestly priced.

[@iancraig6070]

Typically for bike manufacturers,they ship production to countries with cheaper labour rates. The savings are not passed onto the customers,the company pockets the profits and sales slide. Greed is prioritised over the customers and service.

[@clivewalker5465]

When the New triumphs came out , they were , if I remember £3000 more in the UK than America , the management said , '' we price the bikes at what we feel they will bring in '' .

[@mikeskidmore6754]

@@clivewalker5465 Same thing for Harleys.. they have to sell them for less in the UK because the Taxes and Import duties are so high .. Seems a UK Pound is worth about $1.2 USA dollars. 0.79821757 British Pounds = $1.00 1.00 US Dollar = 0.96072017 Euros

[@iancraig6070]

@clivewalker5465 The one thing about the American consumer is they won't pay over the odds for any products. So prices have to be commercially viable or no sale. Importers see the UK as a treasure island,as they can charge what they want,and we are stupid enough to pay.

[@azadr9231]

Same here in Australia. We get Thailand made bikes for the price of US made ones. Not sure what tariffs or customs we have but it kicks like Harley has been double dipping.

[@kevingonyea]

Might explain why H-D profits are up when their sales are down?

[@mcmoose64]

Australia has a free trade agreement with Thailand. There are no Australian import duties on vehicles imported from Thailand. Any savings made through Thai manufacturing (and the savings would be significant) are going straight onto Harley's bottom line . They are not being passed on to their customers.

[@brianlamb5549]

So…..a company saved in the 1980’s by government intervention and protectionist policy is mad they can’t sell their bikes on foreign soil because of protectionist policy?

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Because of the same protectionist policy. "Back in 2018, following a dispute with the European Union, the Trump administration imposed tariffs on imported steel and aluminium. In response, retaliatory tariffs were imposed on US imports such as Levi jeans, whiskey and… Harley-Davidsons."

[@LiveWire_Guy]

@@neutronalchemist3241 Live by the sword, die by the sword, I's say. One day HD benefited by protectionist policies and another day they got hurt. So sad. And, they thought they could avoid their obligations to the EU by shipping American jobs to Thailand... and they lost. Maybe they should focus on their core business, instead... Wokeness, DEI, Green Day and Budweiser.

[@colincampbell4261]

HD don't sell bikes, they sell an image.

[@krusher74]

is it am image of homosexuals?

[@Eileen-e8f]

Harley needs to be a private company again. All this investor service has destroyed the brand. The end can not come soon enough. My 23 fltrxst is worth half after the last PR disaster.

[@brockett]

Are prices reduced by UK and EU motorcycle company products that are made in the far east and India? KTM, Triumph BMW etc? Maybe if all EU bikes were made in the EU then prices would be higher but the customer could feel more loyalty to the brand and proud ownership. Moto Guzzi still made in Italy with Italian parts? When will people learn that imported good means exported jobs until they are rich and we are poor enough for them to build their products here.

[@cedriclynch]

The price of a motorcycle in the UK is about three times the price of a similar model in India. The bikes would not be absolutely identical because in India it is compulsory for motorcycles to have a passenger grab rail, a saree guard and a ladies' footrest. The ladies' footrest enables the pillion passenger to have both feet on the left side of the motorcycle, something it is illegal to do in the UK.

[@jamessouthworth1699]

Harley-Davidson denied, just lke Harley loves to do with warranty claims. A taste of their own medicine. Serves them right for being greedy.

[@LiveWire_Guy]

Precisely. And I'm supposed to shed a tear because they wanted to avoid their obligation to the EU by shipping American jobs to Thailand? Adios HD. You people suck.

[@the.communist]

They wanna sell asian made bikes at usa made bikes prices 😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@onenote6619]

Just wait until Trump starts trying to apply tariffs. Last time he did that, big-name American suppliers got hit in return. Harley-Davidson was one of those names.

[@stabilized618]

Come January, I would not be surprised to see these trade arrangements with the US change. In Canada are politician's are in full panic .

[@Group_Anonymous]

New HD bikes have always been for the “well-off”, never a working man’s bike. 🙄

[@skyd8726]

So a grossly underpowered Harley Fergusson, using state of the art 1920's technology, is bitching about protectionism? Just like the laws that the USA enacted on japanese bikes, that was designed to protect hd bike manufacturing. HD is nothing more than a "logo" & image. Indian or Victory for the win!

[@davidmurray9193]

Simple......Customer being screwed again all over

[@pjconey]

Nobody seems to care about Triumphs being produced in Thailand, with no discounts being passed on to their customers. Any thoughts?

[@_o.O__]

People buying HD and Triumphs are so much of a fringe market that it's like thinking transgenders will take over the U.S... It's just as simple as they sell so few bikes that's pobably pointless to mention...

[@mattc3656]

Who gives a shit, the customer was still being ripped off!

[@jjg1962]

If Harley had been honest actors in all this they might have a point but they had the bike manufactured in Thailand but didn't reduce the price to reflect the lower costs; if they had reduced their prices they might have won their case in the EU court. Their profits are taken to an American company which (hopefully) pays its taxes in America. Harley could import directly into the UK but they won't and if they did you can be sure that the tariffs would remain anyway. It might even make things worse for us, as UK owners might be required to go through an import process when taking our bikes to Europe for holidays. My 2022 Road King was priced at £16000. The £21,500 I paid was due to UK VAT, duties, registration fees etc. That's about a 34% 'tax rate' AFTER import tariffs!

[@mikeskidmore6754]

The 2024 Road King Special sells for $25,000.00 USA dollars plus $500 to $700 more for other colors.

[@espritlibre9938]

Prior to 2025, what HD models were made in Thailand?

[@jjg1962]

@@espritlibre9938 My Road King

[@jjg1962]

@@espritlibre9938 Mine!

[@MdSteel7]

KTM lost me as a customer for the same reason

[@sebastianmolejon8521]

Harley-Davidson should build an assembly plant in Europe.

[@marcoomau]

Please don't.

[@_o.O__]

@@marcoomau They wont... dont worry they wont.. If they wanted they would already did it.. they would if they could pay people 6 to 9€ x h with 0 benefits.. worse than McDonalds xD McDonald can because as much as they sell processed food they still have a decent demand for thier stuff while HD is not that on demand... like the fast food market in EU..

[@JA-zh5xi]

Harley should just pull out of Europe all together.

[@the.communist]

Typical capitalist greed, let them go bust

[@mikefortune3686]

Why should a Harley built in the US have more value? Do Americans build better quality cars? No.

[@jean-emmanuelrotzetter6030]

Might have been worth starting with the reasons why EU put tariffs on several US products. One is retaliation by EU on tariffs Trump imposed 2018 on steel and aluminum from EU countries - EU targeted Harley Davidson, but not only. In addition to the tariffs for sales in EU countries, US manufacturers also had to pay Trump additional tariffs on import of steel and aluminum from EU, increasing manufacturing costs. The "Binding Origin Information" rule was suspended for Harley Davidson products from Thailand after less than a year. EU has suspended the additional tariffs on Harley Davidson products from USA in 2022, suspension has been extended since, also because of USA lifted tariffs on part of stell and aluminum imports from EU countries. Trump will most probably start a new trade war also with EU. That will not only increase prices for imports in USA but lead to new retaliations by EU on imports from USA.

[@waterkoppie]

Already commented on this a few weeks ago. In 2018 when tariffs were raised by 25% (from 6 to 31% due to trade war, around the time Thailand production relocation started, first new Softail in 2018, then Touring in 2020, after the 2015 Street had come from there for Europe and Asia), customer prices did not rise suddenly, propably because prices were "already high enough". So there still was enough margin, certainly indeed on the cheaper Thailand production, only the years after prices rose gradually every year to compensate for the tariffs. And do not expect prices to drop suddenly either when tariffs were to be lifted, deflation is never good, maybe prices would just rise less, or not for one or two years, which has happened before (maybe like for currency reasons etc.), price instability is never good for sales.

[@JuanMartinez-vk1zz]

In any case the price of some models is ridiculous high. Glide CVO + 50k€. Compare with Gold Wing 30k€ nothing to do

[@CaptainRon1913]

And where is that goldwing made? The goldwings we get in the US are roughly the same price as an HD.

[@daveyab4889]

Japan ​@@CaptainRon1913

[@peterkoning21]

Harleys have always been way over priced. What when Reagan(?)imposed extra taxes on imported bikes to make Harleys more affordable in the USA ? Vat so Harley !

[@mariog4707]

Harley started the whole tariff thing in the 80’s when they asked Ronald Reagan to impose them on their rivals importing into the US. Be careful what you wish for.

[@Snoopy-cq5jy]

In my country import taxes is about 100% it’s double the prices that in the states, and have been for years 😢

[@clivewalker5465]

If a Company produces a product in a Country with a low Wage rate , and low Utility bills , compared to where they are sold , the the sale price of the Products should reflect that .

[@j.a.f.i.p9517]

So Thai worker get's American pay. That's settled then.. Right?

[@bennyblade3461]

And now that they moved production their American customers no longer consider harley American made. Lost their us customer base and now they lost their second largest customer base. Time for a new CEO and board.

[@prosedi17]

non stop greed

[@ianclarke4945]

Why is there a higher cost tariff on higher cost countries (as in they have better worker rights) than on lower cost countries? Shouldn't tariffs be a means to level the playing fields and promote better worker conditions all around so that companies don't benefit from exploiting others elsewhere.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

"Back in 2018, following a dispute with the European Union, the Trump administration imposed tariffs on imported steel and aluminium. In response, retaliatory tariffs were imposed on US imports such as Levi jeans, whiskey and… Harley-Davidsons."

[@pauln6803]

Trade deals. The US can be highly protective (read lobbying on behalf of industry) of certain areas of its market. Also, with the US being the largest consumer economy in the world it tends to try to dictate terms instead of reaching a balanced agreement. The EU has free trade agreements with countries around the world. The US is not one of them. Higher tariffs than the more usual WTO 10% is either protectionism, trying to favour domestic industry, or retaliatory.

[@89RASMUS]

This is the biggest "Oh no..... Anyway...." moment I've had in a good while. 😂

[@Andre-yu3qs]

I thought Harleys were made in China(for the European market), came in parts and were assembled in Italy...

[@quacker998]

Harley prices will be going up in the US as tariffs will be applied to HD parts imported from overseas - brembo for instance

[@eddale5557]

Harley Davidson is the most expensive MC brand in Norway and no one almost buy a Harley anymore because of the prises on the bikes!😒😒

[@IanRobinson-oh4yj]

the SMW stormbreaker v1200 is a HD sportster made in China under licence by Shineray under the SMW brand, you couldnt make this up! the most popular model HD ever made 36 years in production with the popularity of cruisers growing and back to basics bikes like the 650 enfeild selling like hot cakes, what a home goal

[@shovelhead4558]

Harley failing followers I am done with them.

[@stevedavies-pp7dp]

But if the ‘all American bike’ is actually built by the cheap Thai labour then of course the tax is made on point of import and just because Harley try saying it’s red white n blue 😂😂😂😂. You may be able to fool customers ( easily done hence the money customers pay for the things ) but the tax man is a different thing

[@timaston3638]

You pay so much for a bike with so many serious faults.

[@wilsta67]

I’ve bought 4 new Harley’s the last 2 years and let me tell ya the prices have not gone down 3 from Thailand and the trike from the USA

[@adrianquaife9531]

sounds like I.S.D.S. courts will be used, multi national business normally will get paid if any governments harm investors future intrests. worst part is the public will not ever get the info on settlements or payouts. business have forced large payouts for just min wage increases in the past using I.S.D.S. and sadly governments are just for the local plebs at this point in the real world the multinational business hold most of the cards, and profit from any governments making any changes that harm investors.

[@Straightleg55]

Couldnt care less...for me this company was dead back in 99 when they came up with the twincam

[@joeladd6023]

Not quite correct!!!! At the moment here in Europe, or at least in the UK, we pay the same as US. Five years ago the price in dollar for the usa bike was the price in pounds or euros over here. The same now. Tariffs will push prices up. Harleys are expensive but so far we have not paid the extra fir tariffs. The truth? The tariffs are Trump's fault, he started the whole thing!!!!

[@tocht]

The aluminium tariffs

[@espritlibre9938]

So if I understand you correctly, Trump created the made in UK and EU tariffs?

[@gertklay]

It's all politics and protectionism. No one wins anything from this, because sales only go down on both sides.

[@spartanx169x]

Not necessarily true. HD could avoid this by making the bikes in the country they intend to sell them. Toyota makes cars in the USA to sell in the USA and they have done very well.

[@_o.O__]

@@spartanx169x OFC they know they have a big market and U.S cars are questionable at best.. so they can make money like it's nothing.. so much so that on most of this 2024 sales, the only rival to Toyota is Ford with almost the same sales and most of the rest are not American brands.. And we know HD will not make bikes in EU because they cant pay the people slave wages.. they profit more on U.S soil with the U.S cheap labour....

[@hernesillydad1]

Do people still buy new Harleys? Maybe older bikes but new?

[@EleventhMonkey]

😂This is due to Trump and tarrifs from his first disaster in office. He's about to make things worse.

[@spartanx169x]

Worse? Worse for who? For Europe? Yep. For Canada ? Yep. Worse for Mexico? Yep and its about damn time. Do you think China lets other countries off the hook? No China protects China as every country should be. Go look up the tariffs the car makers have to pay to import into China.

[@54Rocketeer]

Twat what an absurd statement! TDS again… 😅😅😅

[@RobertTrombley-g6l]

It’s been Biden and the woke the last 4 years,can’t blame trump.

[@_o.O__]

@@spartanx169x lol EU has only to gain to distance itsleft from the U.S.. and I'm all for it!! Not even americans buy your own brands lol why would we in EU... If for some random reason Japan stop selling bikes to the U.S you will be left with only H.D and that's it... same goes for cars.. you have Ford and then it's all Japanese brands or some cheap Asian brand that can be imported at low costs... It's not like the U.S is making high quality that are so in demand that they cant even keep stocks.. more the other way around... If you want it come and get it!! best country in the world of my ass!!

[@EleventhMonkey]

@RobertTrombley-g6l fact check your brainwashed mind - a trade dispute between the United States and the European Union (EU) during Donald Trump's presidency, which had significant effects on tariffs for products like Harley-Davidson motorcycles and whiskey. Background: 1. US Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum (2018): In 2018, the Trump administration imposed 25% tariffs on steel and 10% tariffs on aluminum imports, citing national security concerns under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. These tariffs affected many countries, including EU members, leading to a trade conflict. 2. EU Retaliatory Tariffs: In response, the EU imposed retaliatory tariffs on U.S. products to balance the economic impact of the U.S. tariffs. The EU targeted iconic American products, including: Harley-Davidson motorcycles (31% tariff initially, planned to increase to 56%). Bourbon and whiskey (25% tariff). Other products like jeans, orange juice, and peanut butter. These measures were symbolic as well as economic, targeting goods from industries based in politically significant U.S. states. 3. Impact on Harley-Davidson: Harley-Davidson, a U.S. motorcycle manufacturer, faced increased costs exporting to the EU. To mitigate this, the company planned to shift some production overseas, sparking controversy and criticism from Trump, who had championed the brand as a symbol of American manufacturing. 4. Impact on Whiskey (Bourbon): U.S. whiskey producers, particularly those in Kentucky (a key bourbon-producing state), saw a significant drop in exports to the EU due to the tariffs. Whiskey exports to the EU fell by nearly 30% in the year following the imposition of tariffs. In total Trump lost nine trillion which is added to US debt. Sorry, as I realise you were sold lies. Beware bud, you guys have been played by trump AI, just like he used the now banned software that got him in to office the first time, CA which Bannon was a founder of.

[@sphinxios]

greed knows no ends

[@markh.harris9271]

What a mess...

[@stephenp7708]

Heh, they were already prohibitively expensive.

[@964cuplove]

On the seventh day god made Harley Davidson - well he must have had a bad day then… 😂😂😂

[@TheJHA67]

High price in combination with low quality.. and if you want to upgrade a bike to a slightly higher quality, the price is an arm and a leg.. So the conclusion is that this is just the price for image.. so why should you buy this product.. To seem tough, while also emphasizing your own stupidity..

[@MarkOne-l2k]

The UK is not in the European Union.

[@scottweir6799]

No one on here said it was..... But geographically, it is within Europe. HD are shite overpriced, overweight and sadly over here......

[@78Outlaw]

All about the US v EU trade battle that kicked off with Trump last time around and there’s a big expectation will kick off again next year once Trump back in. We expect all Euro made bikes will get hit with tariffs so feels as if EU getting in there early Alf… I wonder how U.K. now treats Harleys and also how are Thai made Triumphs shipped to EU treated for tax, and indeed when shipped to US, guessing U.K. could get stung both ways ? 🤔

[@robertbryson4576]

Well Done E.U. Your market, so your rules. If HD want to sell their laughable obese turd trolleys wrapped up in the USA flag, they should pay the tariffs and duties irrespective of where they are built. HD pricing is beyond a ripoff and not passing on manufacturing cost savings to the customer is not just taking the piss; it's taking a kidney as well.

[@robertbryson4576]

Buy a Guzzis, buy a Triumph, , buy a Gold wing, buy an Indian, buy a Beemer or a big Kwacker or a Yamaha or a Hayabusa if you want to really show who's the boss.

[@daweshorizon]

Wise words!

[@nesta8273]

Was already overpriced brand to begin with. If we acted like americans and bought everything for prices we dont actually can afford, then yes Harley would be an option. But its a difference on the 'need' and 'want' and i dont see too many who would absolutely do everything in their power to go so deep into debt to have a motorcycle that costs same as 2 great bikes from other brands. Plus you only buy the brand, the Harleys are just sh!t bikes.

[@michaeldelsoldato2905]

I see a 25% duty coming soon to European bikes sold in the US.

[@_o.O__]

No one will loose sleep on this xD I bet 99% of people would rather have a Ducati Kawasaki Honda BMW than HD.... HD in EU has so much of a fringe market that I think it will hardly be noticed in the EU, contray to the U.S who has barely any decent motorbikes brands... That 25% will bother more U.S customers than EU and Asiatic retailers.. well they cant put 25% on Japanese bikes because the U.S would fall into chaos without Honda Kawasaki and Yamaha.. and forced to use their own domestic bikes lol

[@JA-zh5xi]

Hope so

[@nevillegreg1]

Harley is killing itself. But back to tariffs, it works both ways and if EU tariff are high for HD, then 'tough titties'. Then there's what I personally call the USA 'underground tariffs'. Australia with the USA (and with a bunch of other countries) has a free trade agreement, which sounds great and is promoted as there being no tariffs between the 2 countries on the listed products. So, our farmers are able to exports certain crops and products to the USA with no tariffs (and vice versa). But, what a number of the scum-bag USA States did, in order to protect their farmers, they introduced State duties/levies/local taxes/whatever on the Aussie products which effectively defeats the objective of the free-trade agreement and making the Aussie products more expensive. Hence, 'underground' because you don't see the State duties from an import/export perspective. Life wasn't meant to be easy so HD has to suck it up and live with that reality, there are tariffs in certain countries and the USA reaps what it sews, and the currency value of the tariffs would be less on each bike if the price of the bike was lower in the first place. And, BTW, our Aussie dumb politicians and highly paid clueless public servants, didn't have the brains to include a clause in the free-trade agreement that if any USA local taxes were specifically applied to the Aussie products then the equivalent in tariffs would be applied to imports from the USA.

[@BIGGIEsmalls13]

Oh well, never mind.......

[@nicolasmingham5307]

Hardly Dangerous ?

[@darthkek1953]

Is the Thailand production the reason Harley Davidson went all gay and trans and ladyboy on everyone?

[@BugsyZuki]

HD is on good road to became souvenir retailer and nobody give a sh.t.

[@neilcauldwell4274]

Thai made H-D,what about Thaiumph?

[@_o.O__]

everywhere they can pay workers the bare minimum the Americans will go there to exploit people... like they do at home...

[@FrankBonessa]

You're either into HD's or you're not. You can either justify the high price or you can't. Seems you're not too satisfied with yours or you wouldn't keep putting out these videos. Have had scores of bikes, but my '23 LRS 117 is one of my favorites of all of them. About to trade in my new gsxs1000gt, because the immense feeling I get from the HD is hard to explain. Too bad Harley is sabotaging itself. C'est la vie.

[@malcpaul996]

Who cares, they are crap anyway.

[@LeeJw-w2x]

And then Europe is sniveling and whining and crying when we're going to hit them with tariffs back. America's tired of Europe in their bulshit what's good for the goose is good for the gander

[@_o.O__]

Come and get it.. most of U.S exports are garbage anyway.... And now without China's antimony you cant even make electronics no more.. so what do you think we want to buy from the U.S?Canadian secon hand oil?? come on clown!!! You guys are the ones eating plastic and garbage think about it... The only few things halfway decent are military and they are decently built just because your are eating plastic and having 0 healthcare.. otherwise even your military assets would be garbage aswell.. like the RU army and Chinese...

[@jaalin8622]

It was America who put the tariffs on EU goods in the first place. The EU put tariffs on US made goods in retaliation.

[@chrissmith7669]

So in other words I could take mine to Europe and likely make a nice profit selling them

[@spartanx169x]

I wonder if its profitable to import used bikes?

[@chrissmith7669]

@ from what I’ve been told there’s no duty or import fees if I’ve owned it over 6 months. I suppose if one could move a containers worth then register them there long enough to meet the rules for a private sale not resale one could

[@dantownsend4246]

You have to prove that you have actually lived in Europe for 6 months. Therefore need long stay visa, if you have a child going to university in Europe on education visa they could buy ir . It’s a lot of complications for a motorcycle, some people do it for cars.

[@chrissmith7669]

@ we still have our condo there and split our time between there and the U.S. I should be able to demonstrate I’ve reason to move vehicles. :-).

[@_o.O__]

@@chrissmith7669 Myb but dont overestimante the demand.. it's not like people are that much starving for U.S Choppers... Ive probably seen less than 20 HD in 30 years in EU lol.. To be honest I dont even know if I've seen 10 in 30 years...There are some but to say there is a demand for it.. it's quite a long shot...

[@BIGGUNNER845]

Harley is Stupid and just thinking about PROFIT. Other bike brands are similar in price but you get more modern features, etc. with those other brands. Harley knows that a lot of their customer base are stupid as well and will continue to spend more money for less. Younger generations are smarter and with inflation happening, the younger generations aren’t going to pay that kind of money for a pedal bike (Harley) when they can buy a bike from a different brand for cheaper with all the bells and whistles.

[@ejdtm]

KTM better hope the US doesn’t hit them up at the same tariff. It would end them.

[@robduncan599]

Maybe First Lady Trump can fix it ? O wait .

[@mikeskidmore6754]

Let me get this Straight, The Socialists Union is charging a 25% Import Duty on overpriced Harley Davidsons. Is there a 20% VAT Tax when a Customer purchases it too? That makes a 45% Tax Total. Your Free Health Care is not Free!

[@Leeluvv-l3d]

"Back in 2018, following a dispute with the European Union (of which the UK was then a part) the Trump administration imposed tariffs on imported steel and aluminium. In response, retaliatory tariffs were imposed on US imports such as Levi jeans, whiskey and… Harley-Davidsons."

[@Jb-tl1yi]

Import duty is paid on the product value first, the sum of the import duty and the product value is what you pay VAT on. Item value 10,000, import duty at 25% (2,500) makes a total value of 12,500, VAT at 20% on 12,500 is another 2,500, total price for the item is 15,000, a 50% increase over the base cost.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

@@Leeluvv-l3d China was dumping Steel in the USA for below Production costs. I doubt that the USA buys any steel from the European Union. I have a Low Boy Trailer made in maybe 1984 and the steel beams have Made in Poland stamped on them. I think Trump put a Tariff on European Union Products because the European Union was putting a Tax on Products Imported from the USA. They Civil War in the USA around 1865 was actually fought over too high of Export Taxes put on Southern Products like Cotton being Exported to Europe. Also was fought over the States Constitutional Right to succeed from the Union as 13 states did that. The Abolition a Slavery was an afterthought after the Civil War had ended. After the North had burned the South to the Ground, destroying so many houses and buildings, Destroying Crops and Livestock.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

@@Jb-tl1yi That's what I thought. Those Tax rates are Socialism tax rates. I live in Michigan USA. One of the only States that charges sales tax on the Price of gasoline after a 30 cents per gallon Federal Tax and a 30 cents per gallon state road tax.. Thus the 6% sales tax is taxed on both the $2.25 Per gallon Price per gallon on the gasoline plus 6% sales tax is charged on the 60 cents per gallon road tax too. So they are taxing the tax and the product so $2.85 per gallon plus 6% sales tax makes a total price of $3.02 per gallon total Today the cheapest gas I can find for 87 Octane is $2.79 per gallon or for 3,78 Liters $3.79 for 93 Octane Premium $2.69 for 100 Octane E-85 In the USA our Octane numbers may be lower as it is Motor Octane plus Research Octane divided by two . GAs was way cheaper from 2016 to 2020 when Trump was President and Much higher than it is now during most of the Bejing Biden Administration .. I paid as much as $6.00 per gallon For Diesel and $5.25 for gasoline while Biden was President. I know that's still very cheap compared to European Petrol prices. I just bought an E-85 Flex Fuel kit for my Buell which needs the $1.00 per gallon more high octane gas.. Now I can run the engine cooler on a 50% blend of E-85 and a 50% blend of 87 Octane E-10

[@peter.baerentzen]

It appears You are from the fascist Trump cult

[@Jin-Ro]

The reason for the high tariffs on Harley is in response to the high tariffs on EU steel and aluminium by the US Government. And it'll only get worse when Trump gets into power. I think the US does the right thing putting high tariffs on foreign imports to protect home grown businesses. Maybe if the UK did that 40 years ago we'd still have an industry.

[@DanMac-lh7tl]

So the trans will buy jaguars to travel in, instead? Much easier to drink the bud light in a car anyway.

[@rosswilliams531]

Its a mess but as we're not in the E.U. anymore then hopefully the U.S. will give the U.k. a better trade deal and stuff the E.U.

[@54Rocketeer]

Overpriced, overweight 😂

[@tymobyrne4451]

So expect Trump to do the same on your chit sent here.

[@frankfurther3828]

talented businessman not

[@tymobyrne4451]

@@frankfurther3828 The EU is doing so well they need to charge Hardly how much? lol

[@Thombable]

They already did. It was the tariffs on EU steel and aluminum in 2016 imposed by Trump…

[@Moto_Adventures_Romania]

The ,,great'' Trump started the tariff war when he started to make America great again, lmao...keep voting for him!

[@tymobyrne4451]

@@Thombable Thats how it works. Harris by 3...lol...

[@mikemitchell3889]

Change, improve, evolve, ...realize the need for competitive pricing as well as good bikes? The Motor Company is stiff-necked. It's a tradition. Hell, it may be policy... I reckon we're about to see what the EU market for HD will bear, and in what earnest will buyers pony-up? The hard core will still drink the Kool-Aide, buy the merch, and dream about the bar fights, they're, unknowingly, lucky to have missed. Is The Motor Company moving towards a "bespoke" product line? I have owned too many bikes, and, specifically, enough Harleys... I've ridden in one Maybach and one Bentley. Those experiences informed me that The Motor Company is a long way from letting one choose the finest cowhide for one's new CVO plush seating. And the floorboards of Tiger Maple or Purple Heart... don't get them started. Please. Tariffs are international bargaining chips for countries wanting fair trade agreements. As you infer, a new POTUS, his penchant for threatening to wield tariffs, and a fresh national attitude (USA) will add another layer to H-D's torte. Let's hope the outcome is sweet for all players.

[@cosak23]

when Dementia dOn starts his tariff war , this will be fairly academic

[@kennethsanders2937]

What European country are you from?

[@davidspin5353]

Harley is woke, so theres that!