If Honda made this hatch in a Si it would be the perfect car for me. Limited slip and more power, it would also fit my mountain bike. Yes I know there's a Integra coming but I like the European styling of the Civic better, the cheaper price, and the shorter length (179 vs.186) which would fit in my garage.
@tinaandandrewmcdermott57422 жыл бұрын
You're in luck, that's the Integra.
@wackit67562 жыл бұрын
It’s as if you didn’t read my comments:I like the Civic STYLING BETTER, The CHEAPER PRICE, THE SHORTER LENGTH , (7 inches shorter) I wish it came in A SI Hatch.
@remotecontrolaxe2 жыл бұрын
Yeah totally fair, I also don't want the extra length, but I might be willing to deal with it, depending on the difference between how they drive. We'll have to see when it comes out.
@robardin2 жыл бұрын
I waited to see the Si reviews before buying my 6-speed ST hatch Oct/Nov 2021, and you hit it on all my notes - the hatch utility and shorter length and better lux over the Si mattered more to me than the LSD and the rev matching. Yes there are more performance bits than that in the Si, but those are the main ones, and for $400 or so I got a CARB legal Hondata tune that brings it up nearly to stock Si performance. As Matt notes in this review, with this car being a "fun daily driver" that will never see the track, the times the LSD would actually matter to me are few and far between (maybe if you got one wheel in mud, or possibly some kinds of snow when you have only summer or not-great all-season tires). And the Integra, now that I've seen it, I also find disappointingly styled and longer - like you, those 7 inches saved matter a lot to me for my parking situation! They basically just made the Si rear lift up, instead of making an Acura "Si version of the ST hatch". To snag one of the very first available 2022 ST hatchbacks with a manual and the HPD kit and in my preferred color (white... given that blue was not available), I did pay about $3K over MSRP - not in a "pre-order" but a car that was physically on the lot. After a few weeks of looking I had found that this configuration was a unicorn, and decided it was worth it to get exactly what I wanted than to fall back on a non-marked-up alternative like the Mazda 3, or to wait an indefinite amount of time (I was told at least to Jan/Feb 2022, and have heard of people waiting 3+ months and counting) to get one at less of a markup. If I hadn't found the perfect ST config maybe that'd have been different, but I felt like if I'd saved the $3K and went with my second choice, every day I saw a Civic ST on the road I'd be thinking "did I make the right choice? Did I?" while spending money is a one-time pain. Plus it turned out even better - I sold some stock in Oct 2021 to buy the Civic in cash, and the way the market has plunged in the six months since then, I'm glad I shifted that money into the car! (And, exactly the car I wanted!) And as far as I can see, a six-speed 2022 Civic ST hatchback hasn't become any less of a unicorn!
@subvet36682 жыл бұрын
@@tinaandandrewmcdermott5742 at almost 10k difference in price with the increased taxes. A Si hatch would have been so much better.
@AndrewM832 жыл бұрын
Manual Transmission. Thank you Honda!
@mikewshade69812 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm.....I noticed water in the tire well. 3:49 I hope that isn't a common issue. I have been looking at buying this car.
@lash94002 жыл бұрын
This is hands down my favorite Honda. They really did a good job with the design of the hatch
@TENTHIRTYONE2 жыл бұрын
That water issue is not something to gloss over. Honda’s are having all kinds of quality control issues. Both of my 2021 Hondas have numerous quality control issues. My dealer was upfront (and apologetic) about it and has said they have never seen so many of these issues across the product range than they have during the past 2 years. I’ve been a Honda guy through and through, but from what I’ve seen recently, I’m less inclined to get another Honda as a replacement. Maybe Acura (which would be a natural progression for me) is doing better with their build quality….
@richeyrich22032 жыл бұрын
If you find out, post back here
@Oliver0200 Жыл бұрын
Yes please. Same page, Honda loyalty all my life but have seen some crazy QC issues on this new gen.
@williamlong26822 жыл бұрын
Even as a 6-speed Mazda3 owner, I’ll admit Honda did a bang-up job with this gen Civic. Big thing that drew me to the Mazda was that I just don’t love the sound and power delivery of these small displacement 1.5/1.6T’s, especially with a manual, and I was willing to trade some space and handling ability for that. Also a little more aesthetically my preference, and I like the click-wheel infotainment. But these Civics are still great though. Would have probably been my second choice.
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
The manual Mazda3s are really nice, and like I mention at the end, they’re a slightly better value too in my opinion if you don’t need the extra space of the Civic.
@pascutia2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the current gen 3? I have the previous generation and a bunch of people are complaining about the torsion beam in the rear. I love how the current one looks, and I’d love to upgrade to a 6 speed hatch, but I love how mine drives (with the exception of the high road/wind noise).
@williamlong26822 жыл бұрын
@@pascutia Yes, I have a current gen. I’ve driven a prior gen once and I do see where people are coming from in saying it’s more fun to drive than the current gen. Thought about getting a prior gen, but ultimately wanted to support the manual new. Current gen is definitely a step up in luxury/refinement, though.
@pascutia2 жыл бұрын
@@williamlong2682 I see. Overall, a better package. I love the looks and the interior of the new one. How’s the steering? If I were to say what my favorite part of my car is, it’d be the steering. It just feels really natural, not overly sensitive, and with decent feedback. It weighs up beautifully in corners, and I really like its strong self-centering tendencies.
@williamlong26822 жыл бұрын
@@pascutia Still feels pretty good, if not quite as communicative as the 3rd. Still some weight to it, though, which I like, but not too much.
@wtDrake2 жыл бұрын
Great review as always, Matt. Still wish Honda offered the Si as a hatch :( Still looks like a fun daily commuter
@remotecontrolaxe2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but the Integra basically is the Si hatch. You get the Si drivetrain with all the amenities of the Sport Touring hatchback, and with a hatchback/liftback body. Too bad it means you have to pay a good deal more to get it, but it also has adaptive dampers. Combine all that, and I'm mighty interested in the Integra. Ultimately, we'll need to wait for reviews and such, of course.
@brianhawkins77562 жыл бұрын
......see Acura Integra.
@colinw98122 жыл бұрын
people commenting integra are missing the point lol, the integra with the manual is way more expensive
@steve88032 жыл бұрын
When considering the value of the 3 vs this civic, keep in mind the civic will have better fuel economy and better re-sale value as well. You'll easily get back the original price difference, and more.
@jayslomine4280 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Mazda’s depreciate more than Hondas every time.
@Jovibe23 Жыл бұрын
I have the manual 2023 version and the car is amazing. I purchased a white one and planning to alter it to look more like the Type R just by adding spoiler spacers a new front end and finally Some engine improvements to give it a little more kick. Anybody that hates Hondas Type R or The Si even the Sport Touring... It's obvious they drive GM vehicles and love Noth American cars which is fine but don't hate other's choices.
@JakeHolder Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see pics of it
@lilrockstarrs2 жыл бұрын
Really like these new 11th gen Civics. Can’t wait to see the new Type R for this gen! Great review and video as always Matt!!
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@dylanw8902 жыл бұрын
Wow this is the OG review spot 😂 I test drove of these (not the manual unfortunately) but these accelerate quite nicely. 0-40 is pretty quick then obviously one you get into it, it reminds you that it’s a civic.
@HPiL_CLiPS2 жыл бұрын
I'm also glad they kept the manual and improved it.
@aroundomaha2 жыл бұрын
You can see water in the spare tire well during the overview. I’d buy one of these as a daily to go with my BRZ.
@jwazftw42002 жыл бұрын
Good spotting
@hondaftw12342 жыл бұрын
Great quality control
@alexelliott50222 жыл бұрын
early jump on the hatch leak which plagues earlier models.
@Darknmessis2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that a bad thing??
@slowgoat60892 жыл бұрын
@@Darknmessis - no, more insulation
@TheCarCrazyGuy2 жыл бұрын
The center area in the rear lights up when the brake is applied.
@richeyrich22032 жыл бұрын
No it doesn’t. Go look at a night review. It’s a reflector
@TheCarCrazyGuy2 жыл бұрын
@@richeyrich2203 it’s the brake light on the hatchback. Don’t tell me otherwise because you’ll sound like you’re not intelligent
@JordanMartinez-xu4kt2 жыл бұрын
@@richeyrich2203 I have one and it definitely is a light in the center
@Arsing1162 жыл бұрын
Matt, what’s with the water in the trunk next to the spare tire? :Edit…. made it to the end of the video where you addressed it.
@wbwayne88872 жыл бұрын
Definitely the one I would buy over both the Si and the Integra A-Spec. Looks better also imo.
@pascutia2 жыл бұрын
Wow, was not expecting the price to be so high. I remember the Accord Sport you reviewed a few years ago. More equipment here, but I was expecting it to be 3-4k cheaper. Nice review!
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Accord Sport 1.5T is still a great value but it’s way less fun now that it can’t be had with the manual and it’s CVT only :(
@jayslomine4280 Жыл бұрын
Inflation and Great Reset Get a Clue
@dpr51052 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for a review on the Touring 6spd given that I liked it over the Si, despite that car's better performance. Not crazy about the Si's cheap interior and harsh ride quality for a Michigan daily driver. Sounds like it may be the perfect compromise. Only trouble is finding one, even with a deposit at a local dealer, they can't get one from Honda. You'd think that Honda would be happy to sell the most expensive ( currently) version of the Civic!
@steve88032 жыл бұрын
Thank your politicians for two years of shutdowns, causing massive shortages and hyperinflation.
@theamazinggoldfish8713 Жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of the hatchback, but I have heard that the SI is so much more pleasant to drive.
@aaronwilson46942 жыл бұрын
Good job reviewing the Honda civic. I look forward to watching your Acura Integra review in the future. 👍🙂
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’m excited to try out the Integra!
@glenmolina3776 Жыл бұрын
Great review. Can you also review the sport hatchback manual 2.0 2023
@MattMaranMotoring Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'd love to if I can get my hands on one, Honda only likes having top trims in the press fleets.
@franzvanjulio55232 жыл бұрын
Good review. I could see that it was an enjoyable car. Weird about the water, though.
@timothycoyne5874 Жыл бұрын
I bought a new Civic hatch ST 6MT a week ago and have already put 600 miles on it. Love it so far, but I wish it had the Si’s LSD. Also not a fan of the rev hang but I’m getting used to it. The suspension is good for a compact GT car, but there is a good amount of body roll. Will likely upgrade the rear seat bar and then the car will be just about perfect.
@thposman2 жыл бұрын
What happens if the battery dies? how do you get into the car to open the hood to access the battery?
@JordanMartinez-xu4kt2 жыл бұрын
There’s a key hole hidden by the door handle. Pull it back and you’ll see it
@bennychan723able2 жыл бұрын
3:46 is that water get into the truck? look like its a lot of water there...
@StillTruee2 жыл бұрын
I wish people were a little smarter, the reason this is more expensive is because it’s a Touring model. I have a ‘22 Touring sedan and it’s absolutely perfect, such an upgrade from 10th gen and those were pretty awesome.
@Shawn123992 жыл бұрын
They only see price and freak out, they forgot the astounding value you can get out of these things. Enjoy your purchase!
@StillTruee2 жыл бұрын
@@Shawn12399 totally agree. Now the dealer upcharge’s right now are another thing. Thankfully I got mine right before that mess started.
@richeyrich22032 жыл бұрын
@@StillTruee how’s the quality control? Any issues yet?
@StillTruee2 жыл бұрын
@@richeyrich2203 ya know, the only issue I end up getting fairly often that annoys me is sometimes the Apple car play is glitchy. It’ll pixelate and freak out, but is pretty much to be expected in a new gen vehicle. Other than that, I love the way it drives but my favorite feature is how comfortable it is to drive. Overall I definitely recommend it!
@Offensively-normal2 жыл бұрын
Had mine 5 months now. Not a single issue has popped up. No water in the hatch no glitches in the info-t. Nothing to complain about. Went ahead and changed the oil at 3,500 miles. The service department at the dealership was cool. Glad I got this car. My wife loves it too and this was a slight down size for us.
@PhillipsMikeC2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reviewing this car Matt. I bought a manual Accord because of your excellent review on it, and was curious about your thoughts on this one given the similarities. I hope you and the family are doing well!
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike, I’m so glad the videos helped you! 🙏
@richeyrich22032 жыл бұрын
What year is your manual accord?
@jrfexctr14362 жыл бұрын
Is the road noise really that loud?
@Fightingscot822 жыл бұрын
Dude. Just realized you're driving around where I grew up!
@bharcooldude2 жыл бұрын
3:50 is that water in the spare tire well there?
@vingooch2 жыл бұрын
He spoke about at the same time he showed the video Einstein.
@antmarquis872 жыл бұрын
Meh, the u.s got finger popped compared to the rest of the world. Canadians have more features than us. That makes no sense
@ryanlittleton5615 Жыл бұрын
What features do they get?
@snc237 Жыл бұрын
Ya but price is higher
@fortheloveofnoise Жыл бұрын
PLEASE REVIEW THE SPORT MANUAL HATCH WITH 2.0!!!
@crittendon10002 жыл бұрын
Great review. Can't see getting this over the SI.
@jharm87112 жыл бұрын
Bought this car in the same color and configuration and love it! Very satisfying to drive and a great practical all rounder. My only issues: with the higher price and with how nice the interior is they really should’ve included lumbar support for the seats - there is a lack of low back support, at least more firmness there would’ve been nice. The wireless smartphone connection has also been glitchy at times. Otherwise highly recommend. It’s a little luxury esque go cart!
@tanthaman2 жыл бұрын
Hideous car
@danielgalliher50612 жыл бұрын
How's the Bose audio?!
@jharm87112 жыл бұрын
@@danielgalliher5061 amazing surround sound stereo and Bass response 😀
@abalogh872 жыл бұрын
How the heck did you get a manual?? Every dealer in south Texas I’ve talked to told me good luck getting a manual!
@jharm87112 жыл бұрын
@@abalogh87 I got lucky I guess - saw it pop up on autotrader for a dealership in Oregon and was the first to respond. Had to wait a few weeks for it to arrive, drove 3 hrs away to get it and paid above MSRP but it was worth it - it’s a great little car. Good luck!
@robinleach56932 жыл бұрын
This civic hatchback has more trunk space then a mazda cx30 suv and a corolla cross, on top of that the design seriously looks good the side profile is amazing but the back taillights are literally insane, i simply dont see why you would need an suv when a car like this exists in the market. I personally would get the 2.0L engine with 158hp i mean its kinda hard to go fast in stop n go traffic and i know the 2.0L engine is super reliable.
@gene9782 жыл бұрын
AT least your Potholes are filled in. Here in Suburbs of Boston it’s like driving through Mind fields with giant craters they have no plans on fixing.
@blakeivers91372 жыл бұрын
Why was there water under the spare tire? Was the hatch leaking?
@jeff_carnelas9681 Жыл бұрын
Anyone notice the pooled up water under the spare tire @4 mins ?
@AP-wu1rv Жыл бұрын
I wonder how good the cvt is
@jayslomine4280 Жыл бұрын
Smooth as silk
@taelee3472 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. The only nick against these Civic hatchbacks with turbo is 1) like you said quite expensive and 2) color choice for these are so limited. Basically, you get black, grey and white and that's it. The lower spec sport hatch w/o turbo gets others like blue and red which I like. I don't get why the sportier version with the turbo gets the only boring color choices. These newer Civic Hatchbacks looks pretty good with the HPD hatch spoiler. I will buy one of these new Type R to compliment my 06 STI since Subaru killed off STI for new generation. I considered the upcoming GR Corolla hatch but the rear leg room is so small (29.9 inches, which is even less than my 06 STI!!!) and that won't work with two kids.
@thomasloftus19502 жыл бұрын
was it reasonably quiet??? ive driven lower trim ‘22 civics and thought they were LOUD; iy is thought that Tourings have added sound insulation……
@HPiL_CLiPS2 жыл бұрын
I would have preferred a meet me in the middle approach. I like the previous gen civic. I understand it was polarizing to they reeled it in a bunch. I loved my 18 Accord but I wish it had a type R version that took some cues from the Civic. Lol.
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it would have been nice to see a sportier Accord with an LSD, it would have given it a nice advantage over the Camry TRD, Sonata N-Line and K5 GT.
@HPiL_CLiPS2 жыл бұрын
@@MattMaranMotoring I couldn't agree more.
@Dan-my6oe Жыл бұрын
What RPM were you at on the highway in 6th gear? What speed? Thanks!!
@MattMaranMotoring Жыл бұрын
I don't remember unfortunately. Sorry I can't help.
@KingCarlofcarlWorld2 жыл бұрын
I would go with the Integra manual.
@realblackbetty2204 Жыл бұрын
does this have automatic rev match? thanks
@MattMaranMotoring Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not.
@RyGuyTheAVGuy2 жыл бұрын
I'm hearing such good things about the new civic, the new Integra better be damn nice or at a really good price point.
@BrokeniPadAir2 жыл бұрын
What brand of jacket is that, Matt?
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
It's a Baracuta G9.
@matthoffman69622 жыл бұрын
What do you think is the easiest colour to maintain SGP, White or Meteor Grey?
@Offensively-normal2 жыл бұрын
White hide's dirt the best. It also reflects heat the best. Not sure if that helps.
@jayslomine4280 Жыл бұрын
Sonic Grey Pearl
@velocity22942 жыл бұрын
Is that water in the trunk, from a leak?
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
I discussed towards the end, could be a result of the panel gap, dunno.
@Solrac777772 жыл бұрын
No remote engine start in manual?
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
Nope, I've never seen a manual transmission car with remote start.
@richeyrich22032 жыл бұрын
@@MattMaranMotoring they exist. But they can be problematic. The driver MUST leave the car in neutral when shutting down. But they can be installed aftermarket on most manual cars.
@Beaver-be8vk2 жыл бұрын
Water in the trunk?
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
I discussed towards the end, could be a result of the panel gap, dunno.
@yongutsa2 жыл бұрын
This vs. Si ?
@xaionik2 жыл бұрын
That hatch looks like they took a few queues from the Stinger.
@richeyrich22032 жыл бұрын
Actually, he mentions European design. I feel that this is styled as a mini Audi A7 first fastback design a few years ago. I loved that design more than most cars, so that’s why I’ll get the civic even though it’s may have hatch leaking issues
@MrDaveaccord2 жыл бұрын
The manual is the one to get. Problem is supply is low and if you find one the dealer wants thousands over MSRP. Hey Matt I saw a puddle of water next to the spare tire when you were showing it, that new car has a leak??
@MattMaranMotoring2 жыл бұрын
I discussed it towards the end, could be due to the panel gap, not sure.
@richeyrich22032 жыл бұрын
@@MattMaranMotoring quality control is poor since the pandemic Unfortuently
@Tech953272 жыл бұрын
I never got into last generation civics design wasn’t it for me at all. Liking this front end a lot more
@timbrown97312 жыл бұрын
This thing must be a preproduction press car after seeing all the water in the back, either Honda has an issue or someone left the Hatch open..
@murf11792 жыл бұрын
If you had to choose one. 2022 Civic SI or 2022 Civic Sport Touring Hatchback
@Sabundy2 жыл бұрын
Honda make fantastic cars
@vicp87722 жыл бұрын
I have a 19version of this car 6sp, u can fit a mountain bike inside with front wheel off, driver and 2 passengers and bags, no prob. This new one has more hatch space. Buy sticks folks, or they will b dropped in a couple of years.
@spynles79472 жыл бұрын
Give me the 2.0 with a manual any day.
@kevs2good1332 жыл бұрын
The na 2.0 ew
@MatteoDiGiulio202 жыл бұрын
Really beautiful car, sin that in Europe we'll have "only" the hibrid (with 184cv, 315nm) and the !automatic!😭.
@brolyvi12112 жыл бұрын
I hope honda fixed issues with oil dillution
@argen8092 жыл бұрын
It was never really that serious of an issue without getting too technical they extended the warranty for affected vehicles to 10 years
@Yellow_Flannel2 жыл бұрын
“Hatchback” I understand it’s literally a hatch on top of the rear glass weather than a traditional trunk but there is barely a hump along the rear.
@Yellow_Flannel2 жыл бұрын
Bring back wagons. Pretty sure they don’t so they can sell more crossovers.
@fliptophiphop1894 Жыл бұрын
so this touring sport has a turbo?
@gforrest2000 Жыл бұрын
2024 pricing... Civic Sport Touring 6 MT: $33,000 | Acura Integra with A-Spec and Technology Packages 6MT: $38,295
@corybureau4124 Жыл бұрын
true and ELS sound system 🤤
@tinaandandrewmcdermott57422 жыл бұрын
That sounds REALLY loud inside on video
@joeyschmoey91382 жыл бұрын
I'm not understanding the logic behind Honda "understating" their HP for the SI. Apparently it has much more HP at the crank then listed? Then why would they not advertise this fact. Btw it's hard to find any manual Civic to test drive around here. I'll surely look for the 2023 if available.
@jakehansen44002 жыл бұрын
the EX-L also has 180 horse power too, you said only the sport touring had the bigger engine
@doggedlydetermined70222 жыл бұрын
31k is a bit steep. I’d rather an Si or GLI.
@Locallybuiltauto2 жыл бұрын
Don’t buy a GLI I have one and it has electric issues like crazy!
@jaioncebollero11682 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine had a cc before and that pos was broken down every other week.
@brolyvi12112 жыл бұрын
@@Locallybuiltauto yupz.. i had a 2018 golf nice but electrical issues slowly creeping up.
@billseiler49522 жыл бұрын
I called a dealer on a Si….$5,000 markup which puts it at $33,000 for cloth seats, no heated seats….not worth it
@5150SP2 жыл бұрын
Yikes water in the spare tire well? Honda quality?? Considering my 2017 Honda Civic Hatchback was a lemon 🍋 this isn't surprising. Honda has sunk in reliability to the point that they are in the basement with Volkswagen. Check JD Power reliability ratings and you will be shocked. Anyone considering a Honda...well you've been warned. The Honda dealer network, in Canada at least, is one of the worst. Stick with Toyota, Kia, Hyundai and Mazda.
@clairekennedy87672 жыл бұрын
Hatch rear looks like previous coupe
@VictorAndScience2 жыл бұрын
Adorable man
@jayslomine4280 Жыл бұрын
His pricing is waaay off on the Integra Vs Civic Sport Touring Do your homework
@MattMaranMotoring Жыл бұрын
This was filmed a year and a half ago, pricing changes...smh
@car1m3102 жыл бұрын
The Sport Touring Hatch makes me cry because it's like $2k more than SI. But, slower. So, why not get the SI? Because there is no Hatch. It's like a Honda musical chair conundrum! :(
@ssamcobalt49562 жыл бұрын
Pristine Edge
@olssong79412 жыл бұрын
That's a Sedan
@wizardofwoo71512 жыл бұрын
Its over buddy
@leviefrauim14252 жыл бұрын
Matt- gotta disagree w/you. All CVTs are bad, all manuals- even spongy ones- are good, or at least better than any CVT. I like this car and would consider it. Wish it had more power but in today's gas crisis, it makes sense.
@richeyrich22032 жыл бұрын
While I agree on the premise that all manuals are good because buying them pretexts the manual, I disagree. Because not all manuals are a better driving experience for all people. More and more, as less manuals are available, those which are available are better because the manufacture is making them for enthusiast. But CVT’s are getting better and better, and those made by Toyota or some of the best. With proper regular maintenance they can last quite a long time. All of this is more about the driver than it is the machine when you’re talking about quality manufacturing.
@MultiChimRichalds2 жыл бұрын
The front looks like the SI
@gorgonismztruth15512 жыл бұрын
boring... slow... over priced..
@spacegg3443 Жыл бұрын
Precisely
@charterd2 жыл бұрын
Toyota looks ugly.
@brooksallenyoung2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it a hatch tbh.
@brooksallenyoung2 жыл бұрын
@New Average it's a swoopy-coupe sedan with a tad bigger cargo area. The last gen was actually a "hatch"
@brooksallenyoung2 жыл бұрын
@New Average it having a hatch =/= hatchback. 95-02 firebird and camaro had a hatch, but you don't call them hatchbacks. It's a sedan with a hatch at best.