REVIEW: PMC Twenty5 21i Loudspeaker

The Audiophiliac lends an ear to the PMC Twenty5 21i,
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[@Silsoe123]

That was spot on the money review. I have the 25.21 (no i) and listen to alot of electronic music and that speed really counts.

[@jonathansturm4163]

Dunno about speed-haven’t done any since the late 60s-but it’s really hard to beat transmission lines on electronica. I’m a big Eno + TL fan :-)

[@mikkol79]

I got the twenty5.23 the smallest floorstander. I listen mostly electronica. I’ve had the speakers for about three years and I’m still super stoked about them. Something is just right. Could be the speed.

[@jimrourke2554]

Total absolute joke.

[@chrissimmonds4383]

I have the floorstanding version of this standmount, albeit in the non 'i' Twenty5/23. I really rate PMC speakers, they are not inexpensive and some would say not great perceived value, but the sound, the workmanship, the 20 year warranty and high resale value make them worth the money imo. I cannot let them go, they are outstanding in their clarity, the floorstanders reach even lower in the bass to under 40hz and it's a clean bass to boot. I would choose a suitable amp though, they are very revealing of what's feeding them. My amp is the Quad Artera Pre and Stereo, a match made in heaven to my ears, the Quad being very detailed but not too bright sounding. A great and honest review Steve, thank you.

[@angryteddybeer284]

On your live stream you said: where's Lithuania?. Well, here we are :). Good show you have.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Thanks for being there man! I really appreciate it.

[@pbode1]

Out of a long list of 10, the Twenty5.21i became the successor to my EMIT10's yesterday. I cannot vouch for the comparisons Steve did to the other brands, but boy is that speed addictive! Steve's review is correct on all counts. I'm hearing instruments in songs I had never noticed before. To my eyes it even looks pretty. .

[@spikeafrican8797]

I mixed on a set of LB1's for years. I could find nothing like it at the time. Not only was it an asounding tool, I loved the character... especially the lack thereof! It was a perfectly clear and accurate window into exactly what was there... all the way down to around 60htz. I could never go back to a colored speaker now - no matter how good. To each his own ( with his own ears!) Pmc for me is the most listenable and enjoyable experience for precicely what it does not do.

[@amirjubran1845]

I heard the Fact 8 and came away with the same impression... Super transparent with absolutely everything revealed. It's a fun enthusiast's speaker since any and everything you swap into the system will make an audible difference.

[@KevinBower-gy5be]

I my pre-divorce and pre-alimony days I ran a pair of PMC OB1i's on the end of a full Naim system CDS/XPS/NAC52/Supercap/2 x NAP135. I still never heard anything better.

[@baaning]

Would really like if you could get an ATC speaker into this comparison too. Another great Pro/consumer style product from the UK. Guess it should be something like the SCM20 from their Classic line to fit the bill? Love your aproach to reviews💪

[@gustavos366]

I think the ATC SCM 19 (the home version of the 20) should be compared against the 25.22

[@r423sdex]

These are the v1 www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/atc-scm19-bookshelf-speaker-review.14519/#post-447215

[@FOH3663]

Coming from the pro side (live/studio), I found it so interesting attending HiFi shows whereby ATC would be exhibiting demo'ing their 3 ways ... to rave reviews ... oftentimes most if not all had never experienced them. me, thinking "uh yeah, no shit" Actually, ATCs appealing in the short term show demo style, may even be more impressive ... as my experience with ATC is simply a long term reference that continues to impress with it's capabilities that often aren't apparent during a 3 minute show demo. ATCs really shine in a situation where one can switch between multiple other monitors, while working. The ATCs subtle worthwhile characteristics really shine in that environment and flow. BTW; yes, they're over-priced (or as I say "they're proud of them") I don't see myself buying them.

[@MrPresentTime]

Thanks for the review Steve - I'm still rocking a 20-year old pair of LB-1s, and I'm a transmission line fanatic. I use them for mixing as well, but have been considering an upgrade to the Hi-Fi line for the past couple years, so it was a Sunday morning treat to see them on your channel! Thanks again

[@Chunksville]

Still have a pair of TDL RT2 transmission line speakers they sound awesome and they are 30 years old, very good technology

[@CJ-kv3hk]

"It's a digital recording, and I don't mean that as a compliment." The delivery on that line was great. Every consider doing stand-up on the side? Let me get back to wiping up the coffee I just spit out.

[@paullazarro531]

Another great review. Thanks Steve. I have a soft spot in my heart for TL speakers. In the past I built a 7ft tall TL sub with a dual voice coil 12'' driver. I wish I still had it. LOL

[@georgewetherby8271]

Great to meet Mrs. Audiophiliac. Now I have the answer to where you get all those zippy shirts!

[@onebylandtwoifbysearunifby5475]

"Sneakers" was a fantastic movie! Unwarranted swipe Mr. G.

[@davidpotts2664]

A few months back, I took a punt on some (used) Twenty5 26, much of the review applies to the larger/older sibling too. I feel this review describes the speakers very well and is very helpful in selecting / ruling them out. Best speaker I heard, so far.

[@user-ef3hf1et3t]

well I received the Twenty5.22i speakers today, and yes they paired lovely with the Sugden IA-4 amp. Effortless to drive these speakers with a good Class A amp. The clarity and articulation and annunciation is so clean and fast. The bass is perfect, not boomy very nice. This was a great choice.

[@Aswaguespack]

So many speakers, so little money .... 😉

[@CJ-vh2hf]

Thank you so much Steve, I have been doing research on the PCM’s and before I even started watching the video I was wondering what the comparisons would be with the BRX because those are the two speakers that I’ve been contemplating for my next second room upgrade! I appreciate how detailed that you are in your exclamations. It still gives me a lot to think about, but with the size of my room and the price difference leaning a little towards the BRX right now.

[@simonpaulhardy4392]

as an amateur double bass player I can vouch for the accurate bass in pmc 25- stand mount speakers. very nice definition throughout the spectrum. great for listening to jazz.

[@jonathansturm4163]

Great for _every_ genre. Just not so great for crappy recordings...

[@stephenlegg262]

Hi from Wales. I have an all British system. Pmc 20.21 speakers, Sugden a21 se signature amp, Rega Saturn CD player. Rega planer 3 turntable and rel sub. Can’t beat it.

[@ciao4two]

Love my Twenty5 23's....everything Steve says but more.

[@nils5479]

May I ask what amp and other gear you use with your PMC speakers? I just ordered some Twenty5.23's myself : )

[@ciao4two]

@@nils5479 Using a McIntosh C47/MC152 and a Aurender N100C...here's my pic www.audioshark.org/pmc-speakers-73/pmc-twenty5-23-more-sound-than-any-god-given-right-17948.html Congrats on your pair..you're gonna to luv them. What finish did you get?

[@mikkol79]

Nils have agree even if risking a circle jerk. Have the same speakers..

[@nils5479]

@@ciao4two went for oak, fine looking

[@lanx0003]

Hi, Steve, great show and your assessment is always spot on as I was informed. So I want to ask you how is this compared with the ATC SCM 11 in terms of the speed of the bass? Thx.

[@rfbead321]

Do you have a separate living quarter to store your shirt selection? Love it!

[@henriksrensen5958]

Great review Steve. I love your show 👍

[@Drackleyrva]

Great review as always. BTW, that's a cool shirt to wear to a cocktail party. :)

[@AdrianIII]

Would always like to know the price at the beginning of the video. Helps to frame all following commentary.

[@benoitdugas745]

Love that shirt! Great review as usual

[@williammay8413]

I like my snell j7 bookshelf speakers and they have great music technicality with a little touch of speed. 🙏

[@ManosPairis]

Problem with harbeths is they don't have a center/dialogue speaker, would love that. Anyway, I will be able to hear the PMC (if all goes well with corona virus) in October in a show here... A question about these PMC... Was thinking to make a 5.1.2 (.2 is maybe) with the 25i 21, their center and a rel sub s/510... How you would see a pair with a ROTEL RAP-1580... Will sound weird to some, but I like this rotel couse is pure sound, no radio, no streaming. How would it pair with a ROTEL in general? What do you think?

[@michaelmityok1001]

Love PMC - this review is spot on given my experience owning them.

[@kristofervonwachenfeldt3069]

Really cool review. I'm about to check PMC out. As I've mentioned earlier - I would love you to do a review of the Totem Tribe Tower (Totem Acoustic). Really curious about those small towers.

[@hidde4190]

Interesting once again. Until half way i thought this would be the one. Good base and not to far from the wall are important for me. But then you mentioned the effect of compression. I must confess, I use Spotify quite a lot. So i go on with my quest. 😉

[@jimrourke2554]

@@FJBx100 Fully agree. Tested these recently along with 25.22i. Never in a million years would I fork out the cash for these monstrosities. No mid range, screechy lifeless highs and overblown massive bass. So terrible it was unlistenable on several amps. PMC is a massive JOKE!

[@mayaparis6192]

PRESENT NAIM IN 3 WORDS OR LESS: Low build quality. Must be left on constantly drawing massive electric current. Expensive recapping REQUIRED every 10 years. Use of overpriced DIN cables. Always an option to buy a new PSU for "better sound". Proprietary star-grounding mess equals incompatibility with other equipment without hum. Loudly humming toroid transformers. Famous Naim speaker hiss can be heard from 3 meters away with 87db speakers. Zero soundstage, only pounding exaggerated mid-bass. Naim "PRaT" is a marketing gimmick. Cold, steely, metallic and abrasive sound equals immediate listening fatigue. Naim repair service requires several months of unit immobilization. Naim has lost 3 CEOs, 2 Marketing Directors and countless technical engineers in the last 2 years. Naim INSISTS on using ALPS blue velvet potentiometers for balance and volume control which are ALWAYS imbalanced and SKEWED either left or right. It impossible to have a centered musical image for stereo listening with Naim equipment. Naim STILL will not update the omerta on using non-Naim speaker cables as they threaten this will "blow up" your amplifier because of inductance, resistance and capacitance values. Naim is now obligated to demo with Focal speakers, and vice-versa, due to the unnatural and illogical marriage of two brands managed by Vervent Audio Group. This entity is managed by Cedric Boutonnet from Saint Etienne, France and who doesn't give a SHIT about Customers in general and the Naim brand in particular. It is a well-known and well-documented fact that Naim and Focal do not work together and should never be in the same system. Imagine associating Naim with beryllium tweeters = instant ear bleed. Shall I continue? There's lots more to be said.

[@sobechance]

⁠@@mayaparis6192That’s more then 3 words. What kind of setup do you have?

[@rickg8015]

Sneakers, an ensemble cast with the late River Phoenix.

[@RiaTolstoy]

Great review!! I'm toying with getting the floorstander 25 24i's... Have trialed Spendor D7.2s and A7s. Prefer the latter as the D7.2s a little dry sounding. Pmc is richer for sure with layers of bass.... Amp is the very analog Rega Aethos 😊

[@RiaTolstoy]

Oopsy ended up with the spendors...

[@divertiti]

Curious if you ended up demoing the 25 24i and how you felt they compared to Spendor?

[@markushelle142]

I had a 845 Triode plugged in these... Thats one of the best matches I have ever discored.

[@nevigo5519]

I remember the big IMF transmissionline speakers. They had an awesome bass.

[@FOH3663]

Yep, I always thought I wanted a pair of those big reference units! Problem was, the 80dB sensitivity... yes, 80dB@1w@1m!

[@nevigo5519]

@@FOH3663 Tell me about it. I used a big amp from Denmark, called Mark Dane MB 500 to tame them.

[@KCYT2010]

It's interesting that PMC and ATC , two of the respected names in studio monitors, both manufactured in the UK, have ventured into the audiophile market with some differences between their pro and consumer lines but their signature neutral (that word again) sound and unforgiving high end are consistent in both lines because they use the same tweeters. All the while Harbeth markets their BBC legacy , clarity and resolution when in fact you won't fine them in use in a BBC or other commercial studio as a sole playback monitor.

[@stonefree1911]

Sneakers is actually a pretty good movie.

[@robmills537]

Great video Steve I would have the PMC speakers in my living room just to look at they are stunning, shame I couldn't afford them.

[@bob7501]

I'm having a difficult time getting my head around the price, especially since I really like the sound coming out of my low-budget Elac Debut B6.2's that are driven by a Peachtree Nova 500. Are the Twenty 5 21i's $3k better than my Elac's? For me, personally, I can't justify spending that much for a speaker when there are other options available for less coin. But I will admit that the technology is pretty cool and for those that have the budget and a good room these would probably make for a great sound.

[@marcusfordal4973]

Bob Ross Listen and you will find out 👍🏻😊🎵

[@wa2368]

$3450 for the pair?? Subtract Donnie's 25% tariffs (price becomes $2587) and the 50% zero aptitude distributor/middleman markup (price becomes 1293). It is still way overpriced because Brits think they are so special and entitled in spite of not having the aptitude or capability to manufacture anything by themselves (whole thing sourced from China). So you, need to subtract another 75%, which makes it $323/pair. Be intelligent and don't pay a penny more than $323 for the pair, Bob. If Brit won't sell it for $323, he can keep it and set his tea cups on it while you happily enjoy your Elac Debuts. God bless.

[@richardsinger01]

W A that’s a bitter little rant.

[@divertiti]

What's difficult about understanding the price, there are always cheaper speakers, much cheaper than the Elacs, there are bookshelves much more expensive than these PMCs, you get what you paid for.

[@philjames999]

W A Nice piece of racism, I think I know what the W stands for in your name.

[@cdunphy457]

that speaker had flat speaker cable is that what you usually have as a speaker wire? Thank you for the videos

[@tagheuer001]

Steve is the only guy in the world who has a obscure soundtracks like this. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has the soundtrack to Howard the duck 🦆 !

[@JohnDoe-np3zk]

I listen to the LRS from 40 ft away. Still sound great.

[@Labor_Jones]

so.... do you think that Audio Reviewers mostly ban open baffle speaker companies because they might start a DIY Industry?

[@Larstig81]

I had the PMC DB1+ for years and I had a lot of fun. Small dynamic and musical speakers. At some point after moving to another house, the bass was lacking. It could go down to 50Hz, but I heard with a sweep 60Hz. Even I know they could sound like if there was a subwoofer if it was done right. I have now the little ProAcs and there is more body and more depth. So what happened with the Twenty 5.21i. This is the second review about this speaker and body and bass depth is what lacking. Steve didn't even mentioned the bass depth. Do they need a big powerful amplifier to have better bass?

[@danedewaard8215]

The waveguide reminds me a lot of Bose technology!

[@richardsinger01]

It’s a transmission line loudspeaker.

[@RAYSHIO]

Loving my pmc's result6 with eve ts108 sub.

[@peterwooldridge7285]

Great review

[@gustavos366]

Steve, which amp did you use in the review? Are they a lot better than the Kef R3...or just "slightly" better?

[@theaudiophilecorner]

Yes close in. I place mine shoulder toe in.

[@mayaparis6192]

Yes, this is one of the greatest and most successful rip-offs in modern audio. Listen for yourselves. You'll understand in less than 60 seconds.

[@richardsinger01]

For those of us that don’t have the opportunity perhaps you will explain that claim?

[@gottrekk5798]

@@richardsinger01 He didn't listen to them, just read Amir's negative opinion about PMC (older model). There are people who are crazy about measurements.

[@slyfoxx8540]

Why is it you go through all the pmc reviews slagging them off? Pathetic.

[@FJBx100]

@@slyfoxx8540 PRESENT NAIM IN 3 WORDS OR LESS: Low build quality. Must be left on constantly drawing massive electric current. Expensive recapping REQUIRED every 10 years. Use of overpriced DIN cables. Always an option to buy a new PSU for "better sound". Proprietary star-grounding mess equals incompatibility with other equipment without hum. Loudly humming toroid transformers. Famous Naim speaker hiss can be heard from 3 meters away with 87db speakers. Zero soundstage, only pounding exaggerated mid-bass. Naim "PRaT" is a marketing gimmick. Cold, steely, metallic and abrasive sound equals immediate listening fatigue. Naim repair service requires several months of unit immobilization. Naim has lost 3 CEOs, 2 Marketing Directors and countless technical engineers in the last 2 years. Naim INSISTS on using ALPS blue velvet potentiometers for balance and volume control which are ALWAYS imbalanced and SKEWED either left or right. It impossible to have a centered musical image for stereo listening with Naim equipment. Naim STILL will not update the omerta on using non-Naim speaker cables as they threaten this will "blow up" your amplifier because of inductance, resistance and capacitance values. Naim is now obligated to demo with Focal speakers, and vice-versa, due to the unnatural and illogical marriage of two brands managed by Vervent Audio Group. This entity is managed by Cedric Boutonnet from Saint Etienne, France and who doesn't give a SHIT about Customers in general and the Naim brand in particular. It is a well-known and well-documented fact that Naim and Focal do not work together and should never be in the same system. Imagine associating Naim with beryllium tweeters = instant ear bleed. Shall I continue? There's lots more to be said

[@slyfoxx8540]

@@FJBx100 I've never owned anything from naim. I was referencing pmc speakers.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Interesting review

[@MrBumrah123]

How do they compare to the first generation PMC Twenty21? I had them for years and they were lacking in many, many areas.

[@mariosupa4027]

Hey Steve two questions for you. First what speaker cable are those and second I also see you still have the Cornwall IV what's your favorite overall current speaker? Great review BTW. One last thing, can a very revealing speaker tend to be fatiguing?

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Nordost speaker cable, Cornwall is my fave current speaker. Yes, revealing speakers can be fatiguing

[@mariosupa4027]

@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac thank you Steve, much appreciated. I figured the cables were Nordost which ones are they? I've had MIT MH770 for years and thinking of upgrading cables.

[@jenogilvie-grant2636]

Nice one Steve 👍😘

[@sumitagg1]

The pmc speakers are great but massively overpriced here in the US market. I did have a chance to listen to the 25.24 when I was looking to upgrade my B&w cdm 7nt speakers and compared them with the B&w 804d3s. The B&w won hands down especially with my naim amplifiers. horses for courses.

[@stimpy1226]

As I recall, in my early days of exploring high fidelity audio equipment, I believe that Irving Fried was working with transmission line speakers but I'm not sure if he was the first designer who took advantage of this configuration.

[@feloniusdrunk]

@Gordon Welford There was a guy called Paul Voigt in the 1930's who developed the Voigt pipe/tube, which is a transmission line within a ported enclosure, with a dash of horn thrown in for good measure. I wouldn't be surprised if you already knew about this tech, but I found out about it right here on KZbin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3bLYWSGjZKkb6s

[@jonathansturm4163]

@Gordon Welford The Bailey design was the first TL I ever heard. It and the Radford used the KEF B139 driver. Listening to the Bailey’s alongside the KEF Concerto (bass reflex) taught me a great deal about the influence of cabinets.

[@GavinM161]

£2000 in the UK.

[@jlmain5777]

Can you do a video on all the recommended speakers that make recording sound “good?” I have a lot of music in different formats and can’t afford to have speakers that make more than half of my music sound terrible.

[@3lueant347]

I bought a pair of JBL 530 bookshelf speakers and with their compression driver tweeter and other fetures I think they do just that. I'm selling mine - too much stuff, but they can be had at about half the original cost right now if you want "new" JBL leans more towards fun than accuracy whatever that means anyway.

[@pala23mj]

Hey Steve, any experience with the PMC obi1?

[@allenm]

Steve, question! I would love to get your take on the presonus sceptre 8 studio monitors with hifi equipment, if you can get your hands on some, I have a pair in my studio but don't have the hifi equipment with xlr inputs

[@rb032682]

@Allen - I was going to get a pair of the Sceptre 8 for my home studio but ended up getting a pair of Dynaudio BM7 mark III. Do you like the Sceptre 8 speakers in your studio?

[@allenm]

I love them and even more now that I calibrated them to my room with sonarworks they replaced my Genelecs 80s series & my mackie HR824s

[@nickscapellato8248]

I'd like to hear your longer term thoughts on those Cornwalls and Heresy IVs! Seems like they have doubled as a shelf! Thanks Steve.

[@perandersson1141]

Can you do review on technics sb-g90.

[@ruphobic]

Hope Salk Silk Tone speakers are in the pipeline, Steve :)

[@flatericy]

Great review :) I will demo 23i in a week. Cant wait :) what do you think of them?

[@gustavos366]

They should be awesome! Are you going also demo their competitors, specially ATC SCM 19, Dynaudio or Proac D2?

[@theaudiophilecorner]

I own a pair. more laid back then the 21's but the 23's use the same drivers just a larger Cabinet plus better bass.

[@flatericy]

@@theaudiophilecorner yeah floorstander is a wife approved speakers so that is why :D....cant wait.... :) so you are happy? tips?

[@flatericy]

​@@gustavos366 I think all of them are nice, but I decided to demo 23i because I want a floorstanding speaker+good offer+epic friendly hifi store which offers pmc(Audiodream Croatia) :)

[@carlosbauza1139]

Yes, Transmission Line woofer loading is altogether brilliant! But the other woofer-loading techniques have also developed! T-line, bass reflex, acoustic suspension, "infinite baffle", open baffle, daline, they are now so good, as to be a matter of personal preference. Which is lucky for dreaming-up one's choice!

[@jonathansturm4163]

Back in the 1970s I built several speakers and ended up loving TLs above and beyond the others. As you say, personal preference. But folded TLs are difficult to fabricate and add considerable expense. The alternative is to unfold the TL and DIY. For recordings that can’t stand being exposed an inexpensive pair of infinite baffle boxes is the solution. As you also point out acoustic suspension and bass reflex speakers have come a long way over the decades also. We never got anywhere near the bangs for the buck forty years ago! I’m still hopeful of having a pair of Voigt pipes (hybrid TL & horn) built before I pop my clogs. I’m literally dying to hear what they sound like!

[@kvrhifi]

I realised, i like more Professional audio based home hifi products.

[@anystereo]

It’d be really interesting to see a visit to a chesky recording event

[@riccitone]

These PMC’s absolutely intrigue me. Both the standmount and the floorstanders, the latter of which I’d be more inclined to consider (if I could get to where I could afford them). I wonder if combining with the right tube amp(s) might balance in some of that “magic” you’re speaking of in the comparisons.

[@RennieAsh]

I wonder how this compares to the ATC offerings in the same price or size range $3k USD is super expensive lol

[@gllegacy87]

While you're doing some small bookshelf speakers, are you planning on reviewing the Elac Carina?

[@Coneman3]

Like the shirt!

[@dudley0826]

What do you mean by "timing"? Wouldn't that be from the music, as opposed to the component?

[@scottyo64]

My Klipsch's are a bit slow and my Maggies fast.

[@rb032682]

@@scottyo64 - I knew a Maggie in high school. She was very fast. 😎😷

[@jonathansturm4163]

@@rb032682 She tasted pretty good, too ;-)

[@tweakerman]

Hi steve do you can a link to that cd you showed in this video, cheers steve.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

The Jon Faddis Remembrances CD is long out of print, but the hi-res download is available here www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5e18012dc91f49e7e9701d0a

[@charleskatz2606]

Frank's Wild Years

[@freekwo7772]

Dear Steve, your reviews somehow become better and better...

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Thank you!

[@cloudyday3700]

Proac D2 or the D2R would knock the PMC out the ballpark

[@dilbyjones]

I feel like Transmission lines help with bass room boundaries? If that makes Sense.

[@FOH3663]

bass room boundaries?

[@ralex3697]

I have the older version. Really nice loudspeakers

[@pauldolphin7961]

Love the review, but but but…. Sneakers is a great film! It’s more of a computer hacking film as opposed to a spy film. 😎

[@cruzingrsx4484]

Steve, that’s a really nice shirt.

[@anystereo]

I really like James Horner too

[@AdrianIII]

The usual questions: How are these with a subwoofer? How do they compare to Klipsch RP600M at 1/6 the price?

[@jonathansturm4163]

Dunno about these TLs, but adding a sub to my floor-standing TLs did not improve matters, rather the reverse. This may not apply if you’re into surround sound/movie watching, but for serious music listening, save your money. Never heard Klipsch...

[@AdrianIII]

@@jonathansturm4163 - Thanks. I'm interested for music reproduction, not movie watching.

[@tothemax324]

Had the RP600M if you enjoy a hole in the midrange then buy them

[@AdrianIII]

To The Max - I don’t remember Steve mentioning a “hole in the midrange” on the RP600M. Is that a recently added feature? Could a Schiit Loki take care of that issue?

[@tothemax324]

@@AdrianIII A good party speaker as is. I once owned the Loki and is okay but worthwhile spending the extra on better speakers, if you find any used ProAc, PMC snap up.

[@charleskatz2606]

Yup.PMC and ATC you gotta pay but they won't suck

[@TheBodhisattvaWisdom]

najs

[@AdrianIII]

Is that speaker leaning back because it is being blasted by a Bose system?

[@veritas932]

ha ha... I like that one.

[@Coneman3]

How can speakers that small ever be the best option?

[@FOH3663]

Exactly Physics ... wins every time. Granted, in a very modestly sized room, these small monitors would be best. If your listening room possessed a longest dimension of about 12 feet (3.6m), the reciprocal gains inherent to such a small room would help bolster the range below the PMC's -3dB point. Steve mentioned ~47hz, that aligns best with spaces with a longest dimension no more than 12', for bottom octave support. IMO, these would only be suited for tops in a bass managed system with subwoofer support. Or perhaps in timbre matched surround duty. That said my biases are toward large, high dB capable, full bandwidth mains, AND multiple subs.

[@kalle49er]

the cables you us are from ?

[@borisblade564]

look like nordost to me but not sure which one

[@FJBx100]

Anybody know where to find a credible and competent review of these speakers? Thanks.

[@zackpetrovic3029]

See if they give you the Fenestria to listen to

[@hifiman4562]

But isn't a transmission line a way of cheating for more bass? A 5 inch woofer can only do so much.

[@jonathansturm4163]

Nope, not cheating. When you listen to the same driver in infinite baffle, bass reflex and TL you hear what the speaker can deliver in each circumstance. A 5 inch woofer can deliver a surprising amount of _clean_ lower bass than its competitors. Theoretically, a Voigt pipe can deliver an even cleaner sound...

[@MrRocktuga]

Considering the recent hystory of PMC products, it would be nice to know if that "truth" is really that, or just another very poorly designed loudspeaker. As per Stereophile recent review of the PMC fact.8 Signature loudspeakers, it seems to sound as bad as it measures, with an overall response that wouldn't dignify a $300/pair loudspeakers, let alone a $12.000 pair!!! Measurements don't tell us the whole story (at all), but I became very suspicious of the brand after that very poor design (even more on that price range), and I would question this supposed "truth" as a bad design until proper measurements show that they didn't also screw up this design. 🙄

[@FJBx100]

MrRocktuga Fully agree.

[@jajessee]

Cable brand? Thanks

[@skwall2]

They look like Nordost Leif series: Red Dawn

[@JEG6919]

PMC is a decent choice.

[@scottmeyer6005]

ever review dali loud speakers?

[@ralex3697]

Harbeth are always amazing, just enjoy them immensely

[@lesmatthews459]

For almost the same money I would rather get the Tekton Double Impact.

[@jonathansturm4163]

I was thrilled when I heard that a design philosophy I toyed with back in the 1970s had been implemented successfully. Unfortunately I live on the opposite side of the world to where they’re fabricated. I asked Tammy if they would consider sending me the drivers + cabinet design and I’d have the cabinets fabricated locally, but she refused. I still don’t know how much they’d cost me, or how long they’d take to get here, but a CD I ordered from the UK in May took almost three months to get to Tasmania!

[@jayrick5174]

I think this is the one that was measured at audiosciencereview.com and the measurement didn’t look too good.

[@divertiti]

That's literally the worst website for audio. Using measurements to judge audio is like reviewing cars using dyno graphs. It's a horribly misguided approach.

[@r423sdex]

Measurements don t count in speaker designs 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@f1flick]

Hahaha of course measurements matter. OMFG!

[@marcfoss7687]

Thanks for pointing this out. Although critical, it seems a well-founded and objective review. Always useful to have the speaker measurements so you know what you're buying, ahead of any listening test.

[@divertiti]

@@r423sdex Measurements are a great tool for designing a speaker, not so much for buying a speaker. There are too many variables from electronics to room acoustics to make any conclusions from measurements.

[@mdr4670]

For that money I'd rather had Tekton Double Impacts. No sub needed.

[@ralex3697]

Apples to Oranges

[@divertiti]

I've had the Tekton DI, you still need subs and they could use more clarity and resolution

[@jsmctch]

$3k...the f outta here