Revisiting Apple's FAILED Mac Pro in 2024

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Luke Miani

Luke Miani

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@Arnaud-DeClerck
@Arnaud-DeClerck 5 ай бұрын
Apple silicon with that design? i say HELL YEAH 😁😁😁
@ericrhill
@ericrhill 5 ай бұрын
THIS! Update the weirdly tall looking Mac Studio with this design and an ultra chip.
@techindustries182
@techindustries182 5 ай бұрын
It's only a SOC so totally doable, but, IMHO the current unibody aluminum should be way better for heat dissipation and the smallest possible footprint.
@DJDa9L
@DJDa9L 5 ай бұрын
Why would you ever want this design. Do you actually think it looks good?!
@akauppi2
@akauppi2 5 ай бұрын
Standing ovation! Yes, please.
@stevens1041
@stevens1041 5 ай бұрын
That's an amazing idea.
@alexis0a
@alexis0a 5 ай бұрын
So... maybe someone can put a Mini-PC inside that beautiful case and make it functional 👀
@MRHOTCAKE
@MRHOTCAKE 5 ай бұрын
I saw a video some months ago with a guy building an identical case like tis but 3d printed and making it same as functional with same 1 fan but 120mm Noctua If im not wrong and looks amazing
@sihamhamda47
@sihamhamda47 5 ай бұрын
A Ryzen 7840HS mini PC could totally fit on this thing and the latest Ryzen integrated graphics easily beats the 10-year old Radeon Pro GPUs. Just need some USB dongles for the I/O
@yeknommonkey
@yeknommonkey 5 ай бұрын
A Mac Studio would be preferable
@MRHOTCAKE
@MRHOTCAKE 5 ай бұрын
@@yeknommonkey according to prices It won't, at least compared with those Ryzen 7/9 soldered tona motherboard that cheap
@ladeluff_
@ladeluff_ 5 ай бұрын
My thoughts exacly. Already Done that with The infamous iMac lamp from 2001. Why not The bucket😂🤓
@carson2646
@carson2646 5 ай бұрын
I have a trash can Mac that I paid 300 dollars for. I used legacy patcher to get modern OS and I love it.
@troymd2009
@troymd2009 5 ай бұрын
Same I got the 8c/d700/1tb SSD with 64 gb of ram and dual boot with windows on an 1tb external SSD and it is great! I don’t do video editing just programming so it has been fun to use.
@carson2646
@carson2646 5 ай бұрын
@@troymd2009I have the same setup and I to don’t edit videos. The M1 mac mini isn’t a good comparison because of the limited ram and storage
@mttshw
@mttshw 5 ай бұрын
I bought one of these a year ago for £350 and it’s been brilliant to be honest. I use it for software development day to day as well as some music production. The only reason I can see myself upgrading from it is when software stops working on that last os it supports. And even then I may just switch to Linux! I’ve got seen an m1 Mac mini for as cheap as that in the uk but nice to see prices coming down!
@carson2646
@carson2646 5 ай бұрын
@@mttshw I don’t know what programs you run but I used open core to patch mine and it runs Sonoma fine
@mttshw
@mttshw 5 ай бұрын
@@carson2646 I did try opencore when I originally got it but couldn’t get it to work with Monterey at the time so I’m still on stock Ventura. I guess if it becomes critical I can try again!
@Ybalrid
@Ybalrid 5 ай бұрын
the true design successor of this thing is in my book the Mac Studio. It's sits somewhere int he middle of the ideas of the trascan and the G4 Cube
@lelwani
@lelwani 5 ай бұрын
Third times the charm I guess lol
@whophd
@whophd 5 ай бұрын
@@lelwaniright? I popped my Mac Pro on top of my Mac Studio M1 for a year while I moved my projects over and ran Intel in tandem
@af4396
@af4396 5 ай бұрын
Nah, Mac Studio is not at all the design successor to this, it's obviously just a thicc Mac Mini. Don't know how round, black cylinder with a removable lid = a brick that looks like a Mac Mini, but I'm tellin' yah the studio is just Mac Mini daddy.
@whophd
@whophd 5 ай бұрын
@@af4396 Looks cuboid enough to me to be the G4 Cube spiritual inheritor. And if the 2013 Mac Pro can be thematically linked to the G4 Cube …
@budgetkeyboardist
@budgetkeyboardist 5 ай бұрын
The one thing this video missed was RAM. For things like samplers in audio recording, having 64 GB of RAM is good, and having 8-16 Gb RAM in an M1 Mac Mini is simply nowhere near the neighborhood of enough.
@Valthonis
@Valthonis 4 ай бұрын
same with upgradable storage...
@stevenmalibu25
@stevenmalibu25 3 ай бұрын
I run many samples on an M1 Mac with 8gb 😂😂 behave
@aa1979
@aa1979 5 ай бұрын
It's currently my Plex server, but will eventually make it to my museum of failed Apple products, along with my Newton, G4 Cube, and FineWoven iPhone case.
@LoganLayneOffical
@LoganLayneOffical 5 ай бұрын
LMFAO
@johnDingoFoxVelocity
@johnDingoFoxVelocity 5 ай бұрын
You know what's funny? I Own one of these. Once you do the open patcher and the Ram grade and the SD upgrade, it works great.
@stephfredhall6032
@stephfredhall6032 5 ай бұрын
great...except for the huge power bill.
@johnDingoFoxVelocity
@johnDingoFoxVelocity 5 ай бұрын
@stephfredhall6032 actually no shockingly this machine only has a 400 watt power supply so not bad
@yeknommonkey
@yeknommonkey 5 ай бұрын
To be fair I have a Mac Pro 5,1 and I leave it on 24/7 purely to keep my office warm!
@ZephyrBassPiano
@ZephyrBassPiano 5 ай бұрын
@@yeknommonkey seriously?
@jnel4238
@jnel4238 5 ай бұрын
@@johnDingoFoxVelocity talk about the 5.1 with the 1000w one, makes my room warm in winter haha
@erotech1
@erotech1 5 ай бұрын
But you don’t get 1TB storage and 64GB RAM with that Mac Mini! Just saying!
@RonanACNH
@RonanACNH 5 ай бұрын
well you can get 1TB
@fendiandi3084
@fendiandi3084 5 ай бұрын
@@RonanACNH with more money.
@techindustries182
@techindustries182 5 ай бұрын
external tb3/usb-c SSD's are dirty cheap with (almost) no bandwidth penalty. RIP trash can.
@DengueBurger
@DengueBurger 5 ай бұрын
@@techindustries182but I don’t like dongled accessories lol. I like upgrading the actual computer.
@BrunodeSouzaLino
@BrunodeSouzaLino 5 ай бұрын
​@@techindustries182 And the adapters which allow you to use NVME drives on the trashcan Mac Pro are entirely passive and just change the connector from the proprietary one Apple uses to the standard one used everywhere.
@GuilhermeMG
@GuilhermeMG 5 ай бұрын
It is the “Mac Studio” before Apple silicon! A huge difference is that we compare the Studio with Mac Minis instead of Mac Pros
@KrzysztofPiwowarczyk
@KrzysztofPiwowarczyk 5 ай бұрын
The trashcan Mac Pro's interior looks like hardware from an alien civilisation.
@EElgar1857
@EElgar1857 5 ай бұрын
Indeed, and I always think of Darth Vader's helmet being removed when I open it!
@ericwood3709
@ericwood3709 5 ай бұрын
I think Apple should make a Mac Studio that looks like that. It would make so much more sense as an Apple Silicon design than it ever did as an Intel design.
@KrzysztofPiwowarczyk
@KrzysztofPiwowarczyk 5 ай бұрын
@@ericwood3709Mac Studio looks just like old Mac G4 Cube. Tash Can Mac Pro has some potential to make a comeback.
@ericwood3709
@ericwood3709 5 ай бұрын
@@KrzysztofPiwowarczyk I'd say Studio looks like a tall Mac mini. The Cube with its translucent plastics and all looks pretty different, and the cooling in that was vertical like in Trash Can, albeit without a fan. But anyway, yes, I think the trash can would be a great design for a cooler Apple Silicon chip, though come to think of it, it was shaped like that in part to accommodate the CPU + separate GPUs, something an Apple Silicon system simply does not have. Perhaps the Cube would be a better design for it. Apple could make one for some special occasion, perhaps, like an anniversary.
@billybartcody3591
@billybartcody3591 5 ай бұрын
This would be handy for running an older 32-bit compatible OS for longtime creatives, just for opening up older projects. I have Terabytes of 3D & AE projects from that era and before that are currently inaccessible.
@gametime2473
@gametime2473 5 ай бұрын
Yeah maybe, but you would still probably be better off getting a dual CPU 5,1 Mac Pro since you can put a modern GPU in there. CPU isn't as fast though obviously.
@colindewolfe3647
@colindewolfe3647 5 ай бұрын
@@gametime2473 You really can't put a modern GPU in a 5,1. Not anything newer than say 5 years old. Needs the apple firmware to get a boot screen, and metal support for anything above Mojave. Sure it will fit, but what's the point?
@gametime2473
@gametime2473 5 ай бұрын
@@colindewolfe3647 You can put Radeon rx-6xxx cards in them. I have done it. Syncretic patch.
@Noah-Lach
@Noah-Lach 5 ай бұрын
Now that these are cheap, I'm going to buy one as a shelf piece. Might just use it to run my Plex server while I'm at it.
@ardas77
@ardas77 5 ай бұрын
really sounds like a waste of electricity to be honest
@LoganLayneOffical
@LoganLayneOffical 5 ай бұрын
If only I had that much I daily one it’s my best Mac
@jtmg11
@jtmg11 5 ай бұрын
@@ardas77 Or a fun dump load for excess solar production ?? (what I do for my servers..)
@formerlycringe
@formerlycringe 5 ай бұрын
you could get a kaby lake i5 or an alderlake N100 if you wanted a plex server tbh
@Fatcat-ss6nh
@Fatcat-ss6nh 5 ай бұрын
@@jtmg11still a waste.
@JSYBen
@JSYBen 5 ай бұрын
I keep one around as a Plex Server. One thing it has over the Apple Silicon Mac mini is that it has Error Correcting RAM, and the Xeon is a server processor, so it supposedly is designed to be a server or 24/7 machine. But then Apple Silicon Macs aren't exactly the most unreliable machines ever for leaving on 24/7 either.
@fredericktennant9151
@fredericktennant9151 5 ай бұрын
A good video, I must admit I was surprised you had a second look at that device, I think I might have found the perfect use for these old Macs here in the UK, you see in our schools we use Windows OS not Mac OS, so install boot camp you can turn an old Mac into a great windows computer, replace the spinners with SSD and pop Microsoft Office on them and they are good to go, try putting windows on one using boot camp and bench mark it with a modern windows computer and see the difference, also all those lovely 27" 5k iMac can find a use in schools, I would love to see that.
@rustyshackleford8457
@rustyshackleford8457 5 ай бұрын
Hey man, I love to see how the production of the show has grown over time. You've stayed true to your formula and your show has done better as a result. Keep doing what you're doing bro
@AllgoodthingsTv
@AllgoodthingsTv 2 ай бұрын
Back in 2016, KZbin Space LA had these in their private edit suites. They also had RED Cameras that could shoot 6K, which was pretty radical at that time. We shot a video with one of those REDs in 6K and that trashcan Mac Pro was the *only* thing that could handle that footage in FCPX. And it ripped through 4K footage like butter. I know everything you're saying is true (and I own an M3 MacBook Pro Max 16"), but nothing has compared to the sheer power I experienced with the 2013 Mac Pro back in 2016 with that RED footage. It's forever ingrained in my head. (So much so, that I was considering picking up one of these old Mac Pros on eBay)
@Time2Videos
@Time2Videos 5 ай бұрын
I just love it, the design, the performance and fit in small places. Perfect for me!
@deheiligebron
@deheiligebron 5 ай бұрын
From the time I used it, Jan 2013 till Jan 2020, the infamous Mac Pro 2013 never let me down, and I managed to sell it for a decent price after 7 years! Sure, the M1 Max MacBook now effortlessly outshines it. But that old trusty trashcan really earned its keep, flawlessly handling all those wedding shoots with finesse. While looking like a piece of art in my space, looked much better than my Macbook on a stand.
@BrunodeSouzaLino
@BrunodeSouzaLino 5 ай бұрын
The trashcan Mac Pro is essentially G4 Cube 2: Electric Boogaloo.
@whophd
@whophd 5 ай бұрын
Or Mac Studio Prequel: Studio Xeon
@white.lodge.dale.cooper
@white.lodge.dale.cooper Ай бұрын
Unexpected Breakin' reference! NICE.
@Cofe82
@Cofe82 5 ай бұрын
Let's just shove into it an M3 Pro board and really make it shine
@OveGundersen
@OveGundersen 5 ай бұрын
I have the trashcan allmost all maxed out 64gb ram 1TB storage, using it everyday for photo editing. My favor machine. Just love the design on it. Using legacy patcher and latest Os. Works like a charm.
@emilsecker7881
@emilsecker7881 5 ай бұрын
Time to upgrade that version
@sov33
@sov33 5 ай бұрын
i used one of these as my main machine for years. it was rock solid and i had no problems what soever with it.
@jasonk9779
@jasonk9779 5 ай бұрын
I always thought it was cool and forward looking in terms of not needing the internal slots, at least for most users. But that design theory needed, as you said, USB C to really work. I was excited to use one for multiple projectors for theatre projections but the fact that each pair of ports are shared limits how many you can actually connect. I plan to get one to put on display here in the studio, but don't have a use for one.
@WarriorsPhoto
@WarriorsPhoto 5 ай бұрын
I do enjoy looking at my 2013 Mac Pro. Looking at it is about as much as I enjoy it. Yes it's painfully slow for doing any kind of work now a days. Which is sad because it is gorgeous. Like a rose it has many thorns. We can enjoy it from far but not holding it closely. Good video Luke.
@anixstudios
@anixstudios 5 ай бұрын
Would really enjoy seeing a mod project to change the internals into Apple Silicon. Still love the M1 Mac Wii project. Luke, can we see this build?
@markockwell
@markockwell 10 күн бұрын
I got the 12 core with 64gig ram and 1tb ssd about 2yrs ago for about $500 and still use it as a second computer with my Mac Mini Pro M2 with 16gigs and 512gb ssd ( + Externals ) and I am Happy with its performance editing Pro-DV Camera footage .
@michellenotherday1482
@michellenotherday1482 Ай бұрын
We run a multi-room recording studio on the can. It rips through Pro Tools. We run an analog SSL 9000j room that is in high demand. I think it has a lot to do with use of the room.
@XInfinity2024
@XInfinity2024 5 ай бұрын
Good video. I feel like the 2013 Mac Pro could have been something way better if a proper dock was made for it then it could have worked but Thunderbolt 2 didn't take off. The big problem is that the M1 Mac and newer versions you must have an internet connection just to install an OS.
@anothervisionofthings
@anothervisionofthings 5 ай бұрын
Watching this video with my Trashcan that i bought recently for a good deal, upgraded it, using OCLP with Sonoma & i'm really happy with ! especially for overall upgradability !! Also most people can enjoy this machine and don't need a Silicon Mac
@Kajico
@Kajico 5 ай бұрын
For how cheap these are these make great little proxmox servers. Very easy to set up and have a small enough foot print to throw on a shelf and out of the way.
@bryans8656
@bryans8656 5 ай бұрын
I picked up one of these on eBay about four years ago. I upgraded it to the max, and had a lot of fun with it despite its limitations. However, as soon as the M chips released I saw the writing on the wall and sold the trash, purchased an M1 mini, and haven't looked back since.
@SashaSudek
@SashaSudek 5 ай бұрын
I had one till very recently. I'm an editor it was quite decent, but of course no match with the M2 chips nowadays. It was a nice try. Same design with M generation chip and modern I/O would be a killer
@LivingByFire
@LivingByFire 4 ай бұрын
Actually the PowerMac G4 Cube was the most innovative design in Apple's history IMHO. It was the FIRST fanless PowerMac G4.
@floogulinc
@floogulinc 5 ай бұрын
I managed to buy a couple of these for $20 each. You can adapt the Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 with the official Apple adapter.
@dahlhousestudios
@dahlhousestudios 4 ай бұрын
I remember when they announced this… it was so cool-looking, and I was already hittin the wall with my Mac Pro Cheesegrater. I was ready to call my bank to get paperwork moving for a loan… and then the user reviews started showing up on youtube. I instead got a locally-sourced modded 2010 Cheesegrater that could run 10,11 and (barely) managed to hold on until M1 Studio. I've got a saved search on eBay for the Trashcan-but I just want it for my backgrounds when I'm filming studio videos😂. Great vid. Thanks!
@dsfsfdsfds2
@dsfsfdsfds2 3 ай бұрын
writing this commnet using a 2013 mac pro. When it first appeared, its design struck me and I liked it so much, but it was so expensive. Unfortunate it did not evolve. True, it is very slow, but I will keep it. Maybe someday I will run linux on this mac pro.
@term-827
@term-827 4 ай бұрын
I have one that was kitted out with its midrange specs, and for what i need to use it for, it is still a great little machine, so much so that it has become my daily driver. It does everything i need it to do and a little more with coaxing, and since i work with hd video on an amateur scale, i never needed to ask for anything more powerful from it.
@AndersHass
@AndersHass 5 ай бұрын
Mac Studio basically replaced this formfactor so I doubt they would go back into this. The current Mac Pro does have PCIe lanes which doesnt really fit into this formfactor.
@php4u
@php4u 5 ай бұрын
Always had a soft spot for the Trashcan, but I can't justify a reason to build another one. I built one a few years back and sold it when Apple Silicon came out. I just can't find a good use for one. ugh.
@joeberta368
@joeberta368 5 ай бұрын
My first generation G5 cheese grater is still working. It is now just a word processor [running Claris] with about 75,000 documents in the files. But knowing it’s age I just got a M3 iMac running pages and do all work in Pages. If I really need need a document to be sent over to the new platform, I print it from the G5, scam it into Pages. Love them both.
@donjames5761
@donjames5761 3 ай бұрын
this is still one of my favorite computer that i own it just looks so sick on my desk! i'll never get rid of it . and it was my first big purchase of my Adult life when i was just building my credit up
@paolobertolo
@paolobertolo 5 ай бұрын
Bought a 12/1/64 one year ago, running plain Monterey. Still a fantastic machine for home use. And, gosh, that look, so much cooler than any MacMini…
@sbarneaionut
@sbarneaionut 5 ай бұрын
Imagine this, M1Pro mobo at the bottom, 4/5 Hard Drives on top, all in that case, perfect home lab Ikea style? :D
@dmug
@dmug 5 ай бұрын
I picked one up for $200 a few months ago (12-Core, D300, 64 GB) and thought it'd be cute if I edited the video I was making about the 2013 on the 2013. I will not try that experiment again.
@colinpidd9109
@colinpidd9109 5 ай бұрын
I have one in my collection it works and it looks great. Visitors are always saying what is that pointing at the Trash Can. When you explain what it is they say they have never heard or seen one. I love the looks and would never consider getting rid of my trash can.
@anasevi9456
@anasevi9456 2 ай бұрын
11:40 Amen, Apple now has awesome performance per watt, meaning thermals are now a trivial issue; and hates upgradability more than ever. Might as well give us something that isnt a boring grey flat box.
@volvo09
@volvo09 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, the this design was always thermally constrained which is why apple let it rot for 6 years without any CPU upgrades... The newer Intel chips were not getting any more efficient and were pulling even more power. This design would easily work with Apple silicon, and if apple wanted to be nice the SSD and RAM could be placed on the back of the outside and easily upgradeable.... But that's dreaming. This is a cool looking machine, much better than a grey box on your desk.
@EElgar1857
@EElgar1857 5 ай бұрын
I bought two of these from OWC, both used, but still paid too much! A bad lightning strike killed the first one. I loved the design, and they were fine, except for photo processing, which was very, very slow. I have a used, but perfect 7,1 now, which is great, other that trying to lift it! Very fair review. 😁
@viscuine
@viscuine 5 ай бұрын
not everyone uses it for video editing :) I only sold mine as my pc had gen 4 m.2 and I got used to twice the speed. I much prefer Monterey with icons than the later MacOS list view anyway. may revisit it again at these prices. many thanks for the vid Luke
@VulcanOnWheels
@VulcanOnWheels 4 ай бұрын
6:56 I did not have to do any of that with my Mac Pro because mine came fully assembled. Unless...do I misunderstand you here? I've had a Mac Pro and liked it just fine until... One day, it had to be sent off for repair, and it came back with less memory and an inferior microprocessor. The Mac Pro I got back was not good enough for Second Life. So, I bought a barebones PC and installed Linux on it.
@Realist-m9c
@Realist-m9c 4 ай бұрын
With FCPX and the Trash Can release (at a similar time), quite a few editors took the opportunity to jump to Premiere on a PC. Apple really did make a bit of a mess of things in 2012/13.
@projiuk
@projiuk 5 ай бұрын
I’ve always seen the Mac Studio as the spiritual successor to the TC Mac Pro so I can’t see a revival of the design (as cool as it is). We shouldn’t forget what a feat of engineering it was to pull off the TC in 2013, unfortunately as you have said, it was a victim of its’ own design limitations
@dominikbehr2863
@dominikbehr2863 4 ай бұрын
BTW there is TB2 to TB3 adapter so why not try running this thing with eGPU to see if it sucks less?
@ericwood3709
@ericwood3709 5 ай бұрын
It does not (and never did) make sense as a modern workstation for serious work. I did finally pick one up cheap out of curiosity, and I've settled on making it a kind of time capsule and retro gaming system. I upgraded the RAM and storage, put the last 32 bit-compatible Mac OS version on it, and that's how it's going to stay. I can play the original Warcraft III on it very nicely, whereas modern Macs won't run that and instead need some new build that relies on the Blizzard Launcher, but is also still not Apple Silicon-native.
@BrianClarkpharmd
@BrianClarkpharmd 5 ай бұрын
With the 12 core Xeon, 64gn ram, 1tb hdd, It gets about 1/4 the performance in Geekbench 6 than my 2023 m3 max MacBook Pro. Despite this, it is a great general purpose Mac for basic tasks.
@RichardNievesNY
@RichardNievesNY 26 күн бұрын
I have run just for High Sierra compatible apps that Apple M1's no longer run.... and also for collecting, like my 1984 Macintosh
@theo9976
@theo9976 5 ай бұрын
I loved my Late 2013 Mac Pro. I bought the base unit and upgraded the RAM, SSD, and CPU for next to nothing when prices dropped but with Apple silicone the writing was on the wall. I upgraded to a M1 Mac Studio that can never be upgraded. Sad.
@michaelolz
@michaelolz 5 ай бұрын
I'd really appreciate it if they'd bring back the old ball-and-socket-jointed iMac design. It's literally the coolest looking computer of all time.
@justinoverman1615
@justinoverman1615 5 ай бұрын
I use one as a basic home server. Upgraded to Sonoma with OCLP. Works well for what i need it for and love the design!
@BrinkWeb
@BrinkWeb 5 ай бұрын
Great video! In my opinion, the current Mac Studio is a great successor for having a powerful computer in a small form factor with enough ports and costs $2k. Before Apple Silicon, I used to Hackintosh to get the power I needed at a reasonable price. Now going strong on M1 Max MBP!
@captaintruth3219
@captaintruth3219 5 ай бұрын
If you line the top with aluminum foil, it does make a beautiful ash tray.🚬👀
@JellyLancelot
@JellyLancelot 5 ай бұрын
Man, regarding the sponsor… I’m so torn. It’s a good idea, but charging me money or even a subscription to delete data from brokers that are already making money off my data that they’ve sourced for free, just feels like extortion. Why am I not seeing any money from my own data, data is now the most valuable commodity on the planet, yet people give it away for free everyday. I get that there is a give and take in accessing free services in exchange for your data, but the whole concept of paying an intermediary money to get companies to remove my own data just feels really wrong. 😅
@chrislonie4838
@chrislonie4838 5 ай бұрын
Luke, could you put a Mac mini guts into a trash can Mac? I want to do it but I’m a bit of a hack and afraid to screw it up.
@maxheadroom6663
@maxheadroom6663 5 ай бұрын
Hmm, any chance putting a Mac Mini into this enclosure and keeping most IO ports? Love the look, hate the performance! Some external SSDs should fit too… 3D Printed brackets anyone?
@RobertFixit
@RobertFixit 5 ай бұрын
Also, there is a 100% chance if they released this again in the same design in various colors (white/pink) with Apple Silicon it would be an instant hit.
@seetendrapanda
@seetendrapanda 5 ай бұрын
I have one with me and really love it. The power usage is something that i really done like but love the device.
@ZephyrBassPiano
@ZephyrBassPiano 5 ай бұрын
I own a 2013 Mac Pro (10 cores, 64gb ram & strongest dual GPU possible) and my mother has an M1 MacBook Air (16gb ram, 7 GPU Cores). It is hilarious to see the Mac Pro being worse in graphics performance, it’s literally the weakest iGPU against TWO dedicated GPUs (optimization on hardware is everything in that case). But I found that in Logic Pro the Mac Pro can deal with a lot more tracks because it basically has 2,5x more performance cores. And I suppose in rare cases 64gb ram can be preferable than 16gb unified ram. But even though I love this computer, it’s still a bad deal and it probably uses over 10x more power consumption which is just insane.
@TheBobruub1
@TheBobruub1 5 ай бұрын
I got one recently, 4 core, 16gb for cheap and am looking forward to speccing it out to 64gb and 12 core. If you are doing serious work then this isn't what you'd be doing, it lacks support and as noted isn't that powerful today, but as a hobby its fun, challenging computer to play with. And it looks awesome, just beautiful.
@lordberg3793
@lordberg3793 5 ай бұрын
Trashcan lacks of upgradability? I dont think so. Just a year ago i purchased one second hand and maxed it out with an Intel Xeon 12 core cpu. 64GB RAM and 1TB SSD. That is more than what youd expect on a 2013 computer and all that didnt cost more than 1K Euros. I think this is an amazing machine for Mac users.
@rgarlinyc
@rgarlinyc 5 ай бұрын
I have - and will always keep - a 2013 MacPro Trashcan - I maxed it out with 128Gb of RAM and then a 2Tb SSD (both from OWC Macsales). The only real problem I have with it is it stopped updating at OS Monterey v12.7.4. Ima going to tweak it so it runs Sonoma - by using OpenCore Legacy Patcher 1.4.3. Fingers crossed...🤞🏻
@tomsun3159
@tomsun3159 5 ай бұрын
You are right bring it back with an M4 or M5, perhaps with user expandable storage.
@matrras
@matrras 5 ай бұрын
You can try to build a Mac Mini into it just like you did with the Wii?
@bake792
@bake792 5 ай бұрын
I’m using mine as daily driver and I couldn’t be happier Cheap investment, get the works done for cad modelling for hobby and more importantly it is easy to upgrade.
@Krell666
@Krell666 5 ай бұрын
Rocking a trash can 3.5/64 here for 10 years. Its been a near-silent workhorse that has never missed a beat. M3/4 Studio will replace it soon though.
@jeffallen3598
@jeffallen3598 5 ай бұрын
I loved my Mac Pro.. and really also because i have the full Adobe CS6 suite still running on it, before the subscription model went into effect. And i don’t care about 4K and if its important, there are several AI upscale tools. The only real downside i have with this IS WHEN Apple blocked the NVIDIA eGPU which was a great boots a little while before Apply broke it. At this point, some third party company needs to come up with a way to get NVIDIA back in the game for this.. and hopefully figure out a way to get a newer processor on it.
@brauliomiranda2825
@brauliomiranda2825 4 ай бұрын
Is this Mac Pro still a good deal for photographers? I only use Lightroom and Photoshop
@MRHOTCAKE
@MRHOTCAKE 5 ай бұрын
As I said in my last Mac Pro 2013 trash can video from Like Miani, I always wanted this Trash Can PC because how it looks, the space, compared to a similar spec PC from the era (because now days there are a lot of Ryzen mini Pc very powerful) but man this lookt amazing, I Bought two already, one with D700 for like $366USD and another for $130 USD (I don´t know specs haven´t recived it yet)
@Brian-Hansen
@Brian-Hansen 5 ай бұрын
Back when this thing was released, I just didn’t get it. It made no sense to me. A couple people I knew bought them and they were like “yeah it’s not that great” so stuck with a MacBook Pro and never looked back.
@Tokyo_Views
@Tokyo_Views 4 ай бұрын
Oh boy I have a maxed out trash can … don’t use it at all though lol
@joserioslopez9515
@joserioslopez9515 5 ай бұрын
On August 2023 i buy a D700, 12 Cores Xeon with 128Gb 1333Mhz Ram, for 699€, add a 4tb ssd for 269€ and for generic use and 2d design is the best buy possible for me. When the M series evolutioned to the 4-5 iteration with the M4-M5 i think the situation for change platform. Tomorrow my machine is a rock solid value workstation for generic use a ridiculous price.
@Semikami
@Semikami 5 ай бұрын
That 64GBs of RAM is really calling my name thanks to macOS’s archaic memory management…Granted, the right call would be for me to just get a 13” iPad Pro; large enough Retina display (which would not be cheap for the Mac Pro) and no memory concerns!
@supereldian
@supereldian 5 ай бұрын
“Might as well have fun with the design . . .” I’m afraid Jony Ive took that with him
@undertone2472
@undertone2472 5 ай бұрын
I rock one of these in my home lab with the 12 core in it with proxmox. Is actually ok for pi hole, wireguard and other basic hosting services. Yeah as long as you don't need gpu. As soon as you want gpu passthrough its a dead end.
@Giljrg
@Giljrg 5 ай бұрын
i got gpu pass through working but only for linux. two gamers one box was possible via proxmox but quite pointless given the driver performance is awful in linux even when enabling amdgpu driver.
@rpratt3746
@rpratt3746 5 ай бұрын
I've got a cube gathering dust on a shelf
@utubestrong2
@utubestrong2 5 ай бұрын
Luke, I want to see you recreate the Mac trash can using a M3 chip, make it great again
@speed0002
@speed0002 5 ай бұрын
I bought one in Nov to use as a windows light gaming machine. It does a good job and it’s just really cool to have on your desktop. BTW it runs windows 10 just fine
@Nytalite
@Nytalite 5 ай бұрын
I would LOVE to see an Apple Silicon Mac Studio with the trashcan Mac Pro design. While I wouldn’t be able to afford one, it would be a much more attractive design than the tall Mac Mini.
@steamboatmice
@steamboatmice 5 ай бұрын
I really love the design of that Mac Pro, sama as Luke. I think the cooling system is very unique and innovative. The product failed, that is really unfortunate for that well designed computer. I wish too they bring back that beautiful cylindirical form factor with the M series processor and modern hardwares.
@Alex-vp4ky
@Alex-vp4ky 5 ай бұрын
Like slap an m_max chip in it and itd be solid. The design wasnt _bad_ just not applicable for modularity/upgrades. But todays macs are no different, only difference now is the raw performance of todays machines vs the trash can pro. Was truly a design ahead of its time but behind in performance
@logiclust
@logiclust 2 ай бұрын
i just put ubuntu on mine, having fun with that so far. kinda snappy actually
@Applecompuser
@Applecompuser 5 ай бұрын
Small was never desirable to me. I wanted it something that would do what it needed. Some people want small, but I want performance. The Cheesegrater mac sounded interesting. PS You cant put a standard graphic card in.
@LoganLayneOffical
@LoganLayneOffical 5 ай бұрын
I bought one 2 months ago with the d500s and 6 core I love it works great for graphic design and video making
@MaxPowers1245
@MaxPowers1245 5 ай бұрын
Had eight of them at my job..they were not good but were quite fast exporting from Premier at the time
@shaocaholica
@shaocaholica 5 ай бұрын
Luke, do another video on the trashcan but as a windows machine.
@eddiegardner8232
@eddiegardner8232 5 ай бұрын
Luke, it sounds like the highest and best use of it, is to buy the cheapest one you can find, take the circuit boards out, and use it as an actual desktop trash can.
@Trilliant-JP
@Trilliant-JP 5 ай бұрын
Might be a great Proxmox / Linux box. Can't run 10 VMs with only 8GB of RAM on an M1 Mini.
@thearcadian8051
@thearcadian8051 4 ай бұрын
How about making a custom hackintosh or pc in the tc Mac Pro case?
@simonsparks6959
@simonsparks6959 5 ай бұрын
Luke your MacPro is NOT maxed out yet you need to add an AngelShark Carrier board™ for Mac Pro late 2013 cylinder storage upgrade by M.2 PCIe SSD
@pernilsson2512
@pernilsson2512 Ай бұрын
Hi Luke I think you should take a Mac Mini guts and put them in the Trash can !
@PetrolMediaInc
@PetrolMediaInc 4 ай бұрын
It would be amazing if they just made the old tower again with all the new bits.
@zh9732
@zh9732 5 ай бұрын
Been using one since it came out, still speedy enough for a lazy home computer. I never knew how spoiled I was being able to hook up so many monitors…. But you burn through ram with each additional one. Idle is something like 40gb use just having 3 4k monitors, chrome, safari, video playing somewhere. Very odd machine though, even working w HDR UHQ content I rarely peg the CPU and cards, but it feels like it runs low on power
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