Revit Plumbing - Sloped Piping in Revit Tutorial

[@mitchell9056]

I model plumbing in revit for a mechanical company. We have a plug in that brings in real world fittings, but the modeling workflow is universal no matter what fitting families you're using. In order to limit your frustrations, it is best to model in the same order/direction you would install the pipe. So, if your modeling a groundwork for example, then start at the street connection. Model your mainline through the entire building up to your furthest fixture. This allows you to find your main path and determine your minimum elevation (avoiding structural footings, and making sure your not coming out of the slab on the far end or to deep). This is important because your mainline elevation determines how your branch lines will take off from the mainline (verticle,horizontal, rolled @ 45 etc...). Then, go back and model in all your branch lines. I remember back when I first started modeling, and it was quite sad how long it would take me to model even a bathroom group because I was starting from so many different points and trying to make them connect. Here are some other small tips you may find helpful. Instead of clicking the inherit elevation button, just select a point on the pipe your taking off from, adjust to the angle you're looking for and hit space bar. It will automatically inherit elevation and pipe size. You can manually change the pipe size if you want to come off with a smaller pipe (it will keep the inherited elevation). If you have a horizontal line running over to an existing vertical piece and they line up you can use the trim tool to apply a 90. You can also use the extend tool to tee into a line. If you know the center of your fixture connection and your trying to 90, wye or tee of to it from your mainline, use a detail line exactly like you did in the video, but don't run the line all the way into your mainline. Stop it a few feet short. Revit will automatically highlight the line when your inline with it and you don't have to tab all the time. There are a ton of little techniques like that when it comes to modeling pipe. Sorry for rambling, just figured I would share in hopes it can help someone out there especially if they are new to modeling. I appreciate all your videos. I am constantly learning new things in revit. Keep up the good work!

[@auto-fav8969]

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[@shahabakhter5493]

That is perfect and It help me a lot plus Balkan Architect he is the only expert I have ever seen in social media and I learned a lot from him his tutorials changed my life, honestly saying I learned a lot from him and thank you for your comment it is really helpful

[@kaikivisto9855]

Hi Balkan and greetings from Finland. I am HVAC engineer and I use MagiCAD for Revit to make pluming-, ventilation-, heating- and waterpipe plans since 2015. I think it is the best HVAC software for Revit.

[@AIWorks2040]

is the software expensive to use ? as an individual

[@gregm7976]

Just use Trim (TR) to make an elbow with two intersecting pipes. Also just click on the little + symbols to change a fitting from a T fitting to an elbow fitting and vise/versa. I know this is just a tutorial, but you should always load the DWV PVC piping and proper fitting for this type of application.

[@troydyall6624]

sometimes doesnt work in 3d/iso mode though....

[@davewalker9608]

Hi Balkan, thanks for the giggle 😀 In 999 out of 1000 projects the Architect will place plumbing fixtures in their model so connecting to their models pipe connectors is problematic if you are not able to access their central model. Also this only works if the revit family used is the exact model of the fixture being installed otherwise set outs will be compromised. I have found over the past eight years using Revit, as a Hydraulics Draughtsman, that it is easier to create a family with connectors that you can place where required. This also stops a piping system from breaking when the Architect changes the layout. As noted below Trim (TR) [what 30 years of AutoCAD tells me is a fillet] and Extend (TE) are far better ways of joining pipework. One last point, every time the Architect moves a fixture that you have already piped to, it is a guarantee that when you look to realign the pipes the modeller will need to remodel at least half of the pipe run

[@mep_guy]

Since you asked lol.......I will definitely make a video for you and the Community from a Revit Plumbing Expert! First off, I really love that you help out the community so much (even Plumbing!). For sloped piping there are a couple of things to keep in mind. My biggest suggestion would be to always draw your longest run first. The longest run is the critical path that's going to determine your invert elevation (how deep you exit the building). Once you have your main, you should always draw from that main to your fixtures (sloping up like you show). Revit does a great job of guessing where you want to connect. There isn't a need for the construction detail lines if you use the proper techniques. Use the trim commands to connect from your horizontal to the vertical portion. But in all honesty, I would recommend only drawing your mains with a slope. I'm sure there are many professionals who will tell you, making edits after the fact when the piping is sloped becomes a nightmare. Most sections of the building should NOT be drawn with a slope! Only critical paths should be sloped. It depends of the LOD (level of development) whether or not you should be drawing with a slope. It is not necessary to draw piping at slopes if you are 200 and below. You need to make sure to consider tricky areas and do you best to avoid conflicts, but rarely is sloped piping going to help you for most MEP models. Another tip, large pipe like storm drains should probably be sloped in the model. It won't take too much time, but most sanitary for simple bathrooms and small areas, just avoid it and connect to your mains that are sloped. There is a great plugin that I will show in a future video that makes sloped pipe a breeze! But still...I'd avoid it lol.

[@whatsmyname787]

Why is this guy doing Plumbing?. It's like the MEP Guy doing an Architecture project.

[@mep_guy]

@@whatsmyname787 haha! I think there is a huge demand for plumbing videos. I've followed Balkan for years and I'm sure he gets comments from MEP people all the time about doing a plumbing video. So he decided to give the people what they wanted! He shoulda messaged me first though. I'd be willing to do a plumbing video with him on his channel. But I commend him for trying!

[@billb426]

Plumbing engineer here. I follow a similar method. I draw the longest run first to get the deepest invert. Then for the other runs, I draw the piping shallower (starting with an 18" or 24" deep invert, for example) with pitch. When the piping gets close to the main, I then change the offset setting from "add vertical" to "change slope". The slope will be steeper, but that is okay. When a plumber installs their piping they want to keep it shallow so it doesn't cost as much to excavate. Keeping the pipe higher when possible also helps avoid dropping footings unnecessarily.

[@whatsmyname787]

@@mep_guy I commend him for trying also. I could try to do mechanical ducting on KZbin but I think it would be disingenuous. I understand he has a large audience, thousands, but I also see Plumbing tutorials on KZbin where the author only has maybe 60 Views and doing Plumbing a lot better than balkan. I just think it's disingenuous that he's doing Plumbing videos. He could refer his Plumbing audience to another KZbinr.

[@gcrusco]

Great channel! I appreciate you dabbling in the piping! Yes, sloped piping has come a long way in Revit. I use several different approaches and I agree with many of the comments. Sloped pipe gets even more interesting when you have 1% and 2% pipe together along with combination fittings. BTW: the reason your pipe did not connect cleanly in the beginning was because the pipes are sloping and of different length, even though the center point of each pipe is at the same elevation. Keep up the good work!!

[@garyjennings5795]

When a Tee is placed on a pipe where we want an elbow, we can select the tee and uncheck the plus sign on the portion of the tee we want to remove. Likewise, if we have an elbow where we want a tee we can do the same thing. This feature works with both plumbing and ductwork. And if that doesn't make the alpaca happy he might need checked on.

[@jayblake682]

When I am drawing sloped drainage piping, I draw sloping down from the fixture towards the main and sloping up from the main (using inherit elevation) towards the fixture without connecting the two pipes. In an elevation view I use the align command to align the slopes of the two pipes before using the trim extend command to connect them.

[@chereejansevanrensburg6647]

Balkans for the win! Thank you so much! Hvala!

[@rodneyhatch4343]

Completely different approach... You had me cracking up on this video ,I enjoyed it.😂

[@humanarchitecture]

Great video. I hope Revit makes an easier window and door schedule. Auto generating a window and door schedule with window and door elevations and sections and retrieving the information from each element.

[@billb426]

The sink you are looking to place in the model is a lavatory. Those are typically wall mounted.

[@franciscojavierruizmanchon8177]

Hi! Also for connecting pipes, is very useful to use the TR tool and AL, it makes the connections automatically. Thanks!

[@DavidGeorgeson]

I use Revit to draw larger diameter 3-60" ductile iron piping. I have not found a good solution to easily accommodate slopes. The initial drawing is tedious but not all that bad, my issues come in when revisions need to be made and now a branch that has a couple 45's and wyes into a main line needs to be adjusted 6" to the left and 1' to the south while maintaining specific elevations at a specific slope angle. If it doesn't have a slope this is no issue at all but with it being sloped and trying to adjust things in plan view while also trying to maintain specific elevations is really cumbersome and difficult in Revit. Every time you try and adjust something, it wants to snap back to either zero slope or a different than original slope. I hope Revit continues to improve on this in future releases.

[@mep_guy]

I totally agree David. It's very challenging to make revisions to sloped piping. I'm going to be doing a video soon on this topic. Look out for it next week.

[@mep_guy]

My sloped Piping video is up on my Channel. Let me know if you have any questions!

[@hassenlazzem1046]

I would just avoid stretching the pipes manually and use Trim instead... Nice work

[@camilorocha1068]

I use the same strategy

[@petrasvizbaras5704]

13:07 there is no need to draw a pipeline from sink to the ground you can instant draw pipeline into sink connection

[@sebastianbastos8841]

great video man! thnks for sharing!

[@Cokoladni]

From my experience it is far superior to draw plumbing backward, starting from the shaft, bringing the main pipes to the consumers with a positive slope instead of the other way around. You can just branch out in the general direction and align it with the consumer when drawing the side branches, instead of drawing a detail line. When working with a big system you want to minimize the amount of operation you switch to work fast. Also it prevents redrawing when you meet other installations and something doesn't fit because of the sloped pipe, because you have to avoid them from the start coming from the shaft (and those collection pipes are going to be the biggest anyway).

[@ynn1n]

Good. Thanks, Balkan

[@stevenkublickis5784]

I wish more architects and engineers knew about this...

[@borun67]

Thank you very much.

[@yassinsafieh]

Hello Balkan i am a big fan of you .. Thank you so much for the content .. can you explain the Justification for Ducts .. and how to justify duct on one side while drawing and what control line means .. because it disconnect for me a lot when i duct pipe sizing

[@salamburhan8617]

amazing video

[@NKV-Creation]

Please make a video on scan to bim MEP

[@zackgoban2853]

Hello, I'm a big fan of this channel. I was wondering if you could expand on this video and do a tutorial on creating plumbing riser diagrams in Revit?

[@mep_guy]

Zack I just uploaded a video on Riser Diagrams. Make sure to check it out on my channel!

[@Ali-bj7ej]

Please can you upload a video of how ME Dubái works ?

[@auto-fav8969]

thanks

[@bepunisher1]

good video

[@hegelwundt]

Your video is amazing mate, that is a very good tip. I'm trying to create a parametric ducting connection. For example, every 1,5m duct to my system generates a connection automatically. Can you help me, please? Thanks Hegel

[@jorgebeltran5822]

Hi there Balkan, I have a question. Why do u still using Revit 2020 if there's 2022 or 2023 now? Is there any important reason for workflow or work itself? thanks by the way your channel is awesome!

[@balkanarchitect]

Hello, mainly because I share my project files on my Patreon page, so I want people who are using the older versions of Revit to have the ability to use the files :)

[@rizkyrinaldi3793]

nice video! how to change slope value into a percentage?

[@zodiltd5915]

pleas Underfloor heating in Revit

[@DavidGeorgeson]

I create schedules that include the pipe end treatment descriptions to a spool of pipe, for example flange by flange or bell by spigot plain end. Is there any attribute or formula that can be used in the Revit spool that will automatically recognize the type of connector on each end of the spool and auto populate a simple description in my schedule?

[@mustafashaik4465]

جزاكلله خير سيد

[@davidvillamil5794]

Tanks

[@tweak7505]

On the video screen shot you have the toilet waste off the bottom of the pan. If only. Does this happen in countries outside Europe? Maybe Middle East or Asia?

[@mitchell9056]

Very common in America. It's basically a flange on the floor with a knockout for the waste.the toilet is then bolted to the floor and sealed to the flange using a wax ring. If the toilets are ever wall mounted with a rear outlet then they are typically supported using a carrier system which requires a chase wall to house it. These are common on commercial or industrial projects.

[@waqaralam6781]

Please is you can make a video on Dam Construction.I can provide Drawings in CAD

[@HawkGTboy]

My approach to sloped piping is... DON'T! Just model it all at a single elevation. Sloping the piping takes 3 or 4x as much time.

[@marcorfanosavlami8228]

No link to this video but since ive installed revit 2023 enscape dissapeared from the plug ins do you know how to fix that ?

[@deea_oO]

Hello! I've seen a lot of changes in the slope value when modelling (i.e 0.98%, 1.023 %...in place of 1% as set), in particular when modifying, reconnecting some parts of the system etc. Is there a way to solve this issue?

[@amanbuilders-pk]

Love From Pakistan ❤️

[@stergiosgkosios1267]

We dont have a problem if use slope on vertical pipe??

[@entertainmentsk516]

Sir if we have a duct @22 dia than how ro convert a rectangular duct in revit

[@elro2590]

How much is the full course

[@alexandersolsilva6202]

Hi there. I've bee watching your Revit videos for a few years already and most of them are great. Some of them are very well prepared and heavily researched. Unfortunately, for this one I can't say the same. Now, I understand that your wheelhouse is Architecture and not plumbing, but would refrain from posting this kind of videos; because your material is typically fantastic, but if someone watches this video first (not your best), they may think that you don't know what you are talking about (which is not true in its majority). Some tips: - Make sure you start by saying that is a basic video and that plumbing is not your expertice. - Make sure lavatories have a ptrap and a plumbing stack (check my BIMitUp plumbing stack video) - Use TR for trimming "horizontal sloped" and vertical pipes - Make sure you use a good pipe type for sloping kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJCTcp-sqqeUesU - Research a little more on plumbing. Keep up your great work =)

[@whatsmyname787]

Thank You. I've said this over and over again. The guy is an Architect not a plumbing designer and it shows.

[@alexandersolsilva6202]

@@whatsmyname787 The sad part is that his Architectural videos are GREAT. I typically LOVE the content. I'm just trying to let him know so that he protects what he has built over so many years...BTW. BIMitUp is Plumbing =).

[@whatsmyname787]

@@alexandersolsilva6202 So true. From what I understand his subscribers want him to do plumbing videos and instead of directing them to a Revit plumbing channel he gives them what he know about plumbing. Why would he do that? He could direct his "plumbing audience" to your channel, BIMitUp. I guess Money Matters uh?

[@eltonkroes9156]

Hello Balken can I Contact you by mail