Revolution

[@WT_Neptune]

This aged well.

[@sweetshoez]

just watched in 2023, this is still od

[@MosessOfToday]

id love if someone re-made this vid with button inputs on screen, a la "How fast is melee?"

[@Jonathondelemos]

I’d guess around 500-600apm. But that’s not the part that is thought provoking. Anyone can move that fast. You just have to practice. Melee is a fluid game. Not only must you move fast to prevent getting embarrassed you have to move fast enough to fullly punish positional inaccuracies by your opponent and earn kills. Four times in a row (x2 for set) then over the span of a full tournament it gets exhausting 😊

[@totalbrootal]

Shoutouts to Smash Summit 2

[@Lovage805]

this is the shit

[@royeric5]

true

[@NAND512]

@@royeric5 true

[@Rimmer7]

Shine jump-canceling while turning around every time... what the hell are their fingers made of?

[@GustoFormula]

metal

[@Jonathondelemos]

Dude I think this may be one of the best tech skill videos even to this day

[@crenando288]

theres more technical ones nowadays but I'm still impressed especially for 2010

[@NintenJoe]

Plus lovage was literally shield dropping, insane for 2010

[@Jonathondelemos]

​@@NintenJoe Honestly, I think if it wasn't for this video, I never would have reached the level I'm at today. Something about seeing the tandem movement triggered connections that were locked until then. Probably should be noted for those that aren't privy: hitting an edge: platform, stage, anything, will cancel the animation that is occurring. That's what they are doing. Aerial attack into landing on edge platform will animation cancel into neutral stance. From neutral stance, you are actionable on frame 1 out of 60. Also, the game allows for a short window of buffer. If you buffer another input that sequence will execute on frame 1 after the initial animation cancel. Buffer inputs allows for a very potent flow of pressure. This is also partially present using L-cancelling, but this technique is even more efficient. Knowing this you can edge* cancel an attack (safely) hitting an edge and input (ahead of time) another attack to follow frame perfect thus keeping you safe from counter play. Finding edges to cancel allows you to essentially do multiple moves at the same time. That's why Lovage and HMW are never landing center platform. Of course, there are dozens of other high-level techniques. If anyone is curious, I'll explain the mechanics. Also, the game is very generous in what it considers to be a ledge. :) If you are close, animation will be cancelled allowing you to fair, shine, bair, or dair at will.

[@Jonathondelemos]

That being said, I don’t think anything they do is terribly difficult with practice, it was just very original when the video is first seen. Like “oh shit”, you can do that?? Then you grab your controller and realize it’s all very doable

[@Jonathondelemos]

The tech skill is off the charts

[@Tophbbq]

@yttuty Yeah SW did all the fox clips and Lovage did all the falco clips.

[@h3ck774]

Toph you lookin kinda fresh today smash?

[@aLLtimEgameR123]

If there was Melee Parkour, this would be it.

[@FoxandHart]

this is seriously one of the most impressive things I've even seen, ever.

[@BirdAsBond]

just when you thought you were becoming a pretty technical falco, these players make you realise how far behind you are. And the thing is, they aren't even the top falco or foxes, so imagine how much more is possible. Good stuff.

[@marcusispoor]

song?

[@dontcaremate]

1:29 is that a pivot multishine what the fuck lol

[@Kattist]

Nah they're just turnaround multishines. Super sick

[@dontcaremate]

@@Kattist yes since this i have learnt the difference between a pivot and turnaround, still insane though

[@MacDsmash]

too good guys, watching you guys do the 2 person parts in person was amazing

[@babrdiddle]

i was able to watch them make this and the thoughts that go thru their heads are crazy! mad props to yall! nice meeting you otto

[@Lovage805]

@Conqlusion19 invisible shine lands made possible by the sloped ground near the edge of yoshi's story, you can only do them on that specific piece of ground and you have to time the shine land perfectly. if anyone has any questions about what we did check out the scene transcript in the smashboards thread.

[@GoldNTrak]

Wooow, now I know what to work for. You guys outdid yourselves. Can't wait till my hand is fixed so I can make my own in tribute to this amazing piece of work!

[@ezboy500]

Damn, I never knew Lovage had this crazy tech skill

[@Jonathondelemos]

Lovage is insane

[@xD1x]

Wow. Falco and Fox are the coolest character to look the coolest with in the coolest game ever Super Smash Bros. Melee.

[@morsecode111]

It's so beautiful....

[@boooshk]

@killaforchicken this sounds like a good idea, but it would be pretty hard i think cause you have to change DI constantly to ledgecancel(at least for me), and the different timings for things such as short phantasms would be hard to show i'd think

[@WestBallz]

1:40 is :O that must be so hard 2 time

[@Name-py8mw]

the start was like pairs figure skating.

[@MR5Martin]

one of the best ssbm videos ever!

[@SilentWolf444]

@Yardomaster no, we just turn around because its cooler/harder. you can only do it from a certain point in your jump/walljump.

[@SilentWolf444]

@incronaut invisible shine landing, you can do it from certain distances from platform to ground, pretty much only found if a slope is under a platform. they can also be done by walljumps. you have to do it frame perfect

[@Leavant]

@SilentWolf444 Yeah that's what I assumed, but wasn't sure. That's really impressive, on top of this video being amazing. Kinda' pushed me back into Melee.

[@Strong_Badam]

@Jughand it takes longer to do a turnaround shine -> wavedash than simply a shine -> wavedash, yes, however it doesn't break the combo. Hitstun affects the player hit by the attack and not the attacker.

[@morycce]

you guys play in a totally different dimension of time with them space animals.best tech skill video to date

[@boooshk]

@SparkWereRabbit OMG HAND IDEA REALLY GOOD . i like it. kinda ruins the cool effect though, but it'd be really good to have it!

[@Jesse110]

@TheGosu I don't know if there is a trick to doing wave shine turnarounds easily, but you can change the direction your facing while you have the reflector. I guess just really quickly tap the other direction after you press down-b, but before you press jump.

[@Shyway]

This is real, the maps are accessible though the games debug menu. U just need an action replay to get there.

[@SilentWolf444]

@ty13rx146 im doing shine lands. the shine doesnt really show up until the 4th frame so you can only see a slight flash. that was just a filler clip lol

[@xKaru92]

By far.. The best tech skill video out there... Nice job guys!

[@NasaXnieru]

Possibly the greatest tech skill video ever created. Insane. . .

[@SwordOfContempt]

It's a shame that Silent Wolf & Lovage won't be able to click & watch this video themselves, because any NORMAL person wouldn't have hands...or even arms after some shit like this >__> Good shit dudes, this video actually made me tear from the awesomeness :)

[@connorkillmice]

the taunt is the epitome of tech skill

[@Strong_Badam]

Looks like 6 people were struck so hard by the awesomeness of this video they accidentally clicked Dislike instead of Like.

[@e69alpha]

it's..so beautiful and graceful

[@SilentWolf444]

@LanternTheLiar who said any of this was made to be effective fighting techs lol. theres specific ways you have to do it that are hard.

[@Yardomaster]

@SilentWolf444 Ahh, I see, thank you. Hope to play you and the rest of WeWa sometime soon!

[@Aronia55]

That was way better than I expected. And I expected a lot.

[@TheShootingStarKing]

@liinkk I think that was rapid repeated walljumps -> wavelands.

[@maxisku2]

Incredibly impressive, great stuff to both players.

[@requiemsword]

Easily the best tech skill vid out there.

[@Itakio]

Looks like Oscar's been... Ottomated.

[@crimson35124]

hey lovage, not sure if you know this already but on DL64 with falco you edgecancel between the 2 low level platforms by dropping down a while then jumping for a half a second, then do a full phantasm. takes timing but its ez to get down.

[@Shaeman111]

2023 and im pissed of the song title is nowhere

[@Shaeman111]

Grimsoul - Kadotettu Todellisuus 2009

[@Fallennova]

holy shit things just get crazier and crazier with tech skill i love melee

[@tacos140]

It's amazing how far Melee has gone. This sets a good example. Ode to thy Smash.

[@Tophbbq]

@Slashtap3 yea man but bat drops are so fresh and unique, and require so much creativity this is like SO easy in comparison right lol no wonder cort played peach

[@LunarySSF2]

I love that Illusion Ledgecancelling thing- Or whatever it's called.

[@Diosukekun]

check out F. Zero's "How to Train your Falcon" video

[@Ubermunki3]

LOL i just realized the song they use they cut out the first 2 mins of the actual song and put in the part that fits with the vid. lol good shit

[@LanternTheLiar]

Spacies can look ridiculously pretty if you can move your hands fast enough. Though ... what good does being able to blank the shine do you?

[@paralasalud]

i was supposed to send an important email in my 10 minutes of break time but instead i watched this like 2 1/2 times over...

[@ClementonTyrer]

I have no words for this...just way to awesome

[@theonlyfrankito]

@RockLobsta23 I know, I want to show this to some of my SF4 friends ...but they just wouldn't understand :-(

[@yELoHQ]

Can someone teach me how to do wave shine TURNAROUNDS? Those look so freakin sick.

[@rileyharris1243]

Holy shit dude. Your tech skill is fucking insane lmao

[@DarkSim64]

And I thought I had good tech skills.... Amazing video! Keep it up guys

[@SilentWolf444]

@rebelian777 he was also moving to the left while doing them

[@snail15]

lovage at summit Kreygasm

[@LaJ126]

The beggining where both of them simultaniously do crazy tech skill shit? That was unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We gotta have more stuff like that.

[@babrdiddle]

@JFLikesPie those are shines after every hop

[@AZaxe]

Woah woah woah... You guys need to calm down! Holy shiznit!

[@aaronhthomas]

@SilentWolf444 Two questions which are essential to be answered lol.... 1 - 1:34 what were you using to jump out the shines so fast 2 - What is that triple walljump thing at 1:41, i just kinda wanted it explained with what actually happened lol...

[@Rappster16]

@MooseEatsBear yeah, but that could be SilentSpectre+Lovage. (also an awesome teaim). Silent Lovewolf?

[@Jughand]

when you turnaround waveshine hitting someone so quickly like that are you turning around before you press down B? I thought there was some sort of hitstun that made it so you couldn't turn around and jump out as fast when you hit someone with a shine, someone please enlighten me!

[@volvagia27]

Silent Wolf and Lovage MUST be some kind of android-humanoid, i don't even thought that things like the shown in this video were possible, amazing. 1:33 That was AWESOME o_O f***ing fast fingers. long live to Melee!!!

[@bizzarroflame]

ganon on ice approves

[@SilentWolf444]

@Plairnkk yeah thats all were doing, and it takes two minutes. recreating this video should be no problem for you or anyone else then

[@john9blue]

that stuff on the samus warning level was ridiculous

[@SilentWolf444]

@Yardomaster walljump invisible shine land. you can see it in action in lovages last clip and my brinstar clip with the ready GO

[@Beriorn]

Captain Falcon asked them to SHOW ME YA MOVES. So they did. The Falcon is VERY pleased.

[@GladRichGirl]

what happens exactly at 1:40. ive watched it over and over. looks like wall jumping into teching or something. really weird

[@snail15]

Walljump waveland x3, walljump.

[@GladRichGirl]

@@snail15 im looking back now, fucking insane to this day. no notched controllers and just insane stuff happening here.

[@Yardomaster]

Can someone explain to me what's going on at 0:48 on Venom, how do they stay in the shine animation without having the shine?

[@Tophbbq]

@mustardpi314 they both made the bracket in pound 4. SW got 1st in his 3rd round pool, beating eggm, adam, chinesahh, doh

[@Ka0star]

Also, that stage progression shit at the end was Piiimp!

[@SilentWolf444]

@aaronhthomas im jumping out of my shines at normal speed. i shining as i land to cancel all landing lag then short hopping. its not actually that hard, it was just a filler clip lol. for the other one i do side b, walljump waveland x3

[@MNTempest]

i bet silent wolf's tech skill is the reason that planet is about to explode lol

[@MrSemppA]

@aaronhthomas Im not sure about that 1 but i think in 2: He walljumped and right away wavelanded back to wall and walljumped and walllanded and so on... :)

[@cubaisdeath]

who needs TAS when you have these guys?

[@TheTom1337]

the clip with both of them were awesome !

[@Glidbo5]

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO jealous of these two. My eyes still can't believe what they just saw. @_____@

[@Veriloquy]

Any advice in regards to efficiently practicing technical stuff? I don't have much time for video games but melee is so good and I'd like to at least be able to avoid embarrassing myself. Thanks

[@Fiction52]

How did you do the screen at the end with both of you winning?

[@MaddyOwns]

looks like a breakdance-contest between fox and falco

[@mach1alex19]

good stuff guys i saw alot of hard work and frustration haha

[@SilentWolf444]

@TheShootingStarKing yeah it was 3 of those.

[@chrisoutten]

awesome choreography

[@DrPeepee1]

WOW

[@SilentWolf444]

@Pnut2371 develop mode with action replay on the stage in all star mode cuz its long enough to run for that long if u slow run

[@iPityDatFoo]

my thumbs hurt while watching fox do those moonwalks on corneria

[@flaminaxe32]

Now if this had been entered in the contest, would they both have won?

[@cohdaigo]

this is like the greatest thing ive ever seen, goddamn that was awesome

[@Dood1494]

ok, at 3:51 what happened? L-cancel to running of the edge? looks like a wavedash a little

[@xD1x]

@SilentWolf444 Pshhh that was GREAT!

[@SilentWolf444]

@CStick26 no, you dash then jump cancel a shine