Harley Pan America, Hayabusa, KLR650, Radar Cruise, and more! | HSLS S3 E10

[@RevZilla]

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[@Accost2u]

Would appreciate either time stamps in the description of topics or maybe separate clipped videos posted after the show

[@CajunGreenMan]

Second!

[@McTripleCheese]

@@CajunGreenMan 3rd lol

[@oramac7237]

Agree!

[@thinkdunson]

youtube has what i believe is a new feature that allows you to embed chapter markers into the video that can be displayed on the right similar to the way a playlist is displayed.

[@andypants1000]

And my axe!

[@KB-yj5xp]

These are the type of podcasts that I like, just talking about bikes, thanks.

[@Ridingforsanity]

I'm a lifelong mountain biker and can tell you from my cycling dorkery opinion that E-bikes are the cutting edge of technology for cycling right now. E-bikes without a throttle such as a Specialized Turbo Levo provide a more natural enhancement of power allowing more people to enjoy the mountain biking sport. I don't see a natural progression or cross shopping of E-bikes and motorcycling although I wish there was more of that. But I always like to see anyone riding on 2 wheels. Love the show, you guys have shared some opinions and experiences about various bikes that have helped me figure what is out there for my next motorcycle. Keep up the good work!

[@khaccanhle1930]

Please list the topics with time stamps. Thanks.

[@generalwaste2062]

Suzuki shook the industry when they upgraded from single to dual piston calipers on the drz400sm, I assume because the supplier wasn't going to produce them anymore

[@Geshmaal]

Not a total shaking of the etch-a-sketch, but Suzuki kind of created the 650cc(ish) entry level bike class in 1999 when they scaled down the TL1000 motor into the SV650. It's a bit iffy as this was also just Suzuki's take on the original Ducati Monster, but I think we can give Suzuki credit for introducing this concept to the mass market. Honda (NC750), Kawasaki (Z650) and Yamaha (MT07) all have their own takes on the budget, economical twin with 'just enough' power, and the SV still competes with all of these with a 22 year old design.

[@stevemillerecon]

The 1999 SV650 was an all-new motorcycle. So it's been 22 years.

[@stevemillerecon]

And I guess the 2006 M109R counts. In other markets it was presented as a new "Intruder", so arguably it was simply an evolution of the Intruder line.

[@coandc]

@@stevemillerecon I had the same thought. Regardless Suzuki really does ascribe to the if it’s not broke mantra.

[@Hunter1st]

I have a 2023 H2 sx with adaptive cruise control and it is fantastic. I can't go without it now.

[@Damiv]

I just wish the KLR had a 6th gear.

[@kawabungah20]

First time for me watching you guys on Highside-Lowside.. I do enjoy it. I was a lifetime subscriber to MCN magazine. I've missed that mag so much. Good news that I just found you on U-tube! My first new motorcycle was a 1971 CB750K1 (Daytona). My next new bike was a 1994 Electra Glide that now has 100,000 clicks on the odi and is still in the stable. My only other new bike is on order: a 2022 KLR650. I can hardly wait for more adventure. Thanks again to you guys.

[@LTVoyager]

The real question for me is: Who will buy a Pan America? Traditional Harley riders are not likely to buy it. A few will, but I just don’t see many of the leather and fringe crowd buying an adventure bike. So, you are looking at folks that already own a BMW or KTM or maybe looking to move up from a smaller dual-sport like a KLR or T700. And I suspect those folks are more likely to look at BMW and KTM even with the price premium. However, kudos to Harley for finally entering the market, albeit 30 years late. It will be fun to see what happens. Also, I am not sure currently Harley dealers know how to sell bikes that sell on performance and features (Pan America, Livewire) rather than heritage, chrome and paint.

[@Dashtigirl]

This was a good episode. Some food for thought is that swappable batteries for American touring are still not feasible. They would have to be the approximate size of the Livewire battery to replace a small tank of gas and that's too big and heavy for users to pop in and out of their bike.

[@LTVoyager]

I agree 100% that the oil companies should move into charging as they already have the footprint with their gas stations. That would be a very smart move. Just convert one island at a time to electric as demand grows.

[@ROFLWAFFLEization]

Loving the show! I've discovered and listened to every episode over the last 10 days.i listen at work or while wrenching on my KTM 640 Adventure.

[@CampbellZeroOne]

Great chat as always folks. On the subject of long service intervals... I feel that if you are buying a new bike they count for nothing as the manufacturer will normally add the caveat that you STILL have to come in for an annual service if you don't want to void your warranty! Once the first couple of years out of the way I can see what the attraction would be though. Big miles and no looming expensive services.

[@jeremylocklear6583]

I live about a mile from Barber. You guys are right, it's a world-class facility. And the museum is, well, awesome.

[@KrustyCream]

I have the new 22' speed triple 1200 RS on order. The stat that stood out to me most about the 1200 RS vs the last generation was a 26% better power to weight ratio... 💪🏼

[@Bugside]

Something wrong with the podcast file, goes silent halfway through. That's why I'm here

[@JohannesDalenMC]

2nd this

[@michaelhardman7200]

Yes around the 15:20 mark the file bails. Checked Apple podcasts and Spotify. Same problem in both places

[@SpurgeonDunbar]

We're aware of it and we're working to fix it.

[@SpurgeonDunbar]

@@michaelhardman7200 We're aware of it and we're working to fix it.

[@mikem5332]

FYI---There are more significant updates on the new 2021 KTM 1290 SAS than just adaptive cruise. The small changes to the frame, swingarm along with the fuel tank changes to lower the COG is supposed to improve the high speed stability. Another thing of interest is the new radiator setup that is said to improve the problem with heat management. Those are big improvements (if they are effective resolving those problems). Thanks for one of the best MC podcasts!

[@GH-rt8ih]

The round headlight buckets look soooo old on the OG Street fighters, if they went Round and LED without the old chrome bucket... maybe they'd look good.

[@josephcurry4891]

Pan America is exciting for sure. But I think that Indian knocked it out of the park with the Chief. Straight forward enough and that engine looks really nice.

[@Jimo368]

I own a TLS and it’s still a great bike and would like to see a new one, seeing that the engine is still being produced.

[@BmxDieseldude]

HEY REVZILLA! - not sure if its on my end or yours but the podcast is cutting out around the 15 minute mark through Spotify. Could just be my phone but figured I'd let you know if by chance it was an issue with the upload. Either way keep them rolling! Your podcasts are what keep this postal worker from going postal. 🤪

[@SpurgeonDunbar]

We're aware of it and we're working to fix it.

[@Jaymv4s]

I’ve binged this show over the last few weeks, I now hear spurg’s silky smooth baritone voice in my sleep. Question for you guys at highside lowside, have you ever had buyers remorse for a motorcycle? Maybe purchase a bike that didn’t suit your riding style, or wished you had waited for the next model year? This has happened to me twice. I bought a 2007 Ninja 250 as my first bike right before the redesign in 2008. I also bought an XSR 700 because I just had to have one, and found that it wasn’t great living in a city full of highways with no wind protection. Thanks, love the show!

[@vikasvasisht5378]

Klr 650 really needed fully adjustable USD forks and stiffer more adjustable rear suspension...

[@guit156]

Alright, alright. Generally interesting, but I note everyone dumps on the Super T, even if only in passing. It's admittedly not as nimble or powerful as KTM's offerings, for example, but for what it is (basically ok for gravel roads and biased toward road touring) it's actually great. And there's this, the understressed motor and drivetrain has been about the most reliable I've ridden. It will go a long, long way with minimal maintenance costs. For me, with bikes at or over about 100K, this counts. Cheers.

[@RaceWithTime]

What I don't like about swappable batteries (at least for larger full sized bikes) is that is severely limits the manufactures flexibility in the design of the bike...think if gas bikes had swappable fuel tanks...or a swappable engine (which is more size and weight comparable to the battery), it would be very difficult for manufacturers to differentiate their models from others. The battery is basically the heart of the motorcycle (similar to the engine) and the rest is designed around that. If the largest component on the bike has to be the same size, shape, interfaces, and removal/install method (as it will likely be automated on anything more than maybe 3kWh due to the weight) then where is the room to truly design a unique bike that's sets itself apart? You'll get similar frame geometries and packaging solutions to accommodate the standard pack layout and removal method . Everyone will have the same capacity and similar range, power will be capped for everyone at whatever the battery limit is. It just sounds like a recipe for a bunch of very similar, bland bikes (which electric bikes already kind of suffer from...at least from a powertrain character standpoint). I think this only makes sense on small, low capacity motorcycles (or scooters) where the battery has less influence over the bike design and the vehicles are more appliances anyways.

[@pureforce56]

Love these .5 second ads

[@AgusDI07]

Hi Guys, I already left a review, but did you know your last episode in the podcast app is only 15 minutes long? don't know why got cut.

[@thevtadventure1062]

I want a smaller 975cc Pan (Trans) Am with less tech and weight but still decent power and better capability off-road. And how is It not many people talking about the auto adjusting valves in the Harley Rev Max engine?? That’s HUGE!!!!

[@magellanicspaceclouds]

Loris Baz racing in MotoAmerica is like David Beckham playing soccer in LA Galaxy. Basically retirement.

[@alecmayfield4761]

For guy that makes his money in the motorcycle journalism industry that is just now beginning to tell the difference between a Road Glide and Street Glide is quite astonishing.

[@deanvalentino3693]

also, I do not do Itunes any more (sorry my entire life is Google and Spotify now). So here is my review: extremely relaxed presentation which allows the listener to feel part of the conversation rather than as if they are being 'talked at'. Content is solid, but I might suggest more racing coverage (just a bit) and possibly a link to other (albeit competing) publications and podcasts that the hosts find intriguing. Cheers and thanks--Africa Twin for the win!!...p.s. Lemmy update please

[@thinkdunson]

battery swapping is going to be very difficult to implement. because what if yours is damaged. maybe you have to turn yours in, let it be tested by the "pump", then get a credit based on its condition. that process will take a while, because it takes time to charge a battery enough to estimate its condition. maybe you can pay for your new battery and take off, and let the pump do its thing and be credited later, when it's done. because realistically, you can't really know a battery's condition until it's been fully charged.

[@thinkdunson]

@@StaTBMK yes i'm sure they would have some sort of on board diagnostic hardware, but what if there's actual physical damage? the diagnostics may not notice it without seeing that it only charged for ten minutes before saying it's full. there are countless possible scenarios that i would never be able to guess at. the only way to truly know the condition of a battery is to try to charge it. so the only way i can think of for that to work would be the delayed refund i mentioned before. but maybe someone else can think of a better way.

[@TheCdubbleyoo]

Well, someone should be checking the propane tanks when they come back in. I don't see this as a major issue.

[@thinkdunson]

a propane tank might cost fifty bucks at most. not anywhere even remotely close to a high capacity battery like this, which might cost many many thousands.

[@SamiNami]

I missed you guys, thanks for the episode.

[@balazsszalai9960]

Let Zack talk dude!

[@westondifranco9313]

In the dirtbike world it was 2005 with the RMZ450. But in the street world im thinking it was 99 with the sv650 or busa.

[@kcomardelle]

I had a Super 73 S2 and it was absolutely a "gateway drug" for me to get into motorcycling!

[@stevendyck7488]

"here beside me" *points to wrong side*

[@SpurgeonDunbar]

The damn editors flipped the screen on me....

[@stevendyck7488]

@@SpurgeonDunbar XD

[@LTVoyager]

@@SpurgeonDunbar The editor knows you are the left-winger. 😂

[@mike216ism]

2017 gsxr 1000 was huge. Incredible machine

[@lovelessissimo]

I think a MotoGP guy coming to MotoAmerica is, to a lesser degree, like when David Beckham came to MLS. It was kind of cool, but it didn't launch the sport to the forefront.

[@_Makanko_]

I think that's a pretty good comparison besides perhaps the fact that motorcycling might have a bigger following then soccer so it might make a bigger splash. I'm not sure though how popular motorcycle racing is vs soccer.

[@chrislesch3816]

2007 bandit 1250 was all new.

[@robertadams4415]

Thumbs up for John

[@toofastnobrakes]

Please Harley, give us the Bronx!

[@That675guy]

Anyone having issues with listening in iTunes or Spotify?

[@SpurgeonDunbar]

There was an issue with our hosting/upload. We're working on resolving the issue and it should be resolved across all platforms in about 30 min. Sorry for the technical delays!

[@mikeskidmore6754]

Cycles South 1971 .. Never herd of it before . I saw On Any Sunday when I bought the DVD maybe 10 years ago very late to the party . Considering I bought my first Motorcycle at age 12 in 1972

[@cpuuk]

In answer to your question "when was the last time Suzuki introduced a totally new bike", answer is indeed 2006 with Suzuki M109R. Even the scooter Burgmans date back to 1990's.

[@richardlindsey7112]

Spent some time in S Korea 10 years ago. Best thing ever was swaping my dead cell phone battery for a freash one for 1.50 at the convenience store

[@jasonwahl7681]

hey now... LOL.....i'm your typical fat american looking for a second/adventurey/off-road bike, but i'm really really liking the KLX300 dual sport..... I tossed around the KLR for a bit, but i feel it's just too big for what i'm looking for..... I still think you guys are great, and can't wait for Zack to get ahold of the KLR for daily rider, and hopefully he checks out the KLX :D

[@mikeskidmore6754]

Drawings of the Buell Adventure bike look very modern and High Tech .. I agree you don't need that much HP in an adventure bike ..

[@da72ma]

The new KLR650 with EFI is just what we needed and keeps us interested until Kawasaki can get us the promised KLX700. Suzuki has gotten us a new bike recently enough. I don't consider the Katana the same bike as the old one, but rather a new and modern bike in Katana styling. Harley's Pan America is a great bike and maybe just what we needed. Now I am still careful what the reliability will be and the comparison test between KTM, BMW, Ducati and Triumph will tell about its competitiveness... hint, hint Zack and Spurge... I was never a big Hayabusa fan though and can't contribute to that... Good podcast from ya'll...

[@johnshuler1396]

It's just like multiple cars,suvs, trucks etc. There's no vehicle that is perfect

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I watched Cycles South today never heard of it before ..

[@illiummusic]

Thank you for using SM7 mics and having good audio.

[@mar0364]

Always fun listening. I drive a 2018 RE Himalayan.

[@notw312]

Spurge. I had a 2000 vtr1000 firestorm (super hawk) and it was a great bike. Wish I hadn’t traded it in a few years ago. I miss it. 😎🏍👌

[@travatron4000]

26:40 Everyone always forgets the true original Naked/Sport/Hooligan, the Honda CB1000 BigOne that came out a year before the Monster. It was a naked with a real Super Bike 1000cc engine.

[@justtheotherdave]

I'm afraid radar cruise is going to lead to riders "asleep at the wheel" and I don't want it on my next bike. Added technology is additional maintenance and failure modes. Is the radar susceptible to rain, mud, bugs? What happens when a fuse blows, or a wire frays and becomes intermittent, while you are blasting down the freeway with your mind on autopilot? When your rectifier goes bad and the radar is getting low/high voltage or dirty, spiking power? People have come to rely on "safety" technology for everyday driving. E.g. traction control enables one to apply more throttle than road conditions / tire grip allow without spinning the wheels. Works fine until TC can't predict the next puddle/sandy spot/oily gas station exit ramp - only react to unexpected wheelspin. i'm a fairly "young" rider (Manufacturers: I'm out of college and can afford to buy new), but I only just got my first bike with ABS in 2020. I've never once activated the system - I had some hair raising "learning experiences" on non-ABS bikes so I learned how to use the brakes. Never had a situation where ABS by itself would have saved the day - far more important are your speed, how quickly the brakes are applied, transfer of weight to the front tire and progressively shifting more braking to the front.... Oh, and paying attention to what's ahead: traffic, brake lights, traffic signals, who is pulling out in front of you...

[@krunchie101]

Batteries for electric motorcycles being able to be swappable at stations is the exact thing people have been asking for since the range is only good for city riding.

[@Buckarooskiczek]

Just announced: Kawasaki KLR 650 upgrade for the 2022 model year will be the addition of an official “branded” milk crate.

[@carplay5454]

ZACK missed the numbers by just 1ci lol. its 117ci and 131ci for the HD engines.

[@Matcroable]

Zack, I thought you looked miserable on motortrend. Idk if you can talk about it but I’d love to here the story behind that part of your life.

[@Matcroable]

@@StaTBMK I’m not finding pleasure in it if that’s what you are inferring. I’ve been watching Zack and Ari for years. I only signed up for mototrend because of them. Then I watched them at the end of the bigger episodes looking visibly unhappy. I think mototrend pushed them too far to produce content and they hated it. I assume they took a pay cut for going to Revzilla but don’t regret it at all.

[@Matcroable]

@@StaTBMK well, considering this is not a professional forum (KZbin comment section), and I do not have a professional relationship with any involved parties, your point is moot.

[@Matcroable]

@@StaTBMK are you their old boss? You seem way too involved in a simple KZbin comment.

[@tonydimartino]

Love this podcasts! Spurg your enthusiasm is great but quit talking over Zack. :)

[@rob.halpin]

Thanks for the merch, lads! Size M, pls. No slight intended, eh? Like you, my mates are quality entertainment. ;-) Oh, and GSX250-r for the latest Suzuki?

[@jnault6441]

I'm picking up my 2021 R1250GS on Saturday. I looked at the Pan American hard. I currently own a Harley and I am keeping it. I want Harley to kill it with this bike but out the door from Harley with the features that compare with those top of the line adventure bikes....is gonna be $23K+ . You walk out the dealer with a new GS for $25K currently. I'm pumped they landed the bike in the price range and is clearly a shot across BMW's bow, but it's a hard pill to swallow to basically pay the same (almost) for a beta bike as you would for the gold standard.

[@Mandumoto]

Only thing HD is, is cross wired. Can't wait to see their newest line of clothing....

[@theprodigalstranger5259]

Zack "thats alot of pressure" Spurge "LOUD NOISES!" Hey, fair is fair, you're sending Rob a shirt he can send you guys some beer! Like the Lance, when is he back on HS/LS? Triumph really should ditch the Johnny 5 headlights. They no longer befit the series. New Chief is nice proper, and specs look good. I like it way better than the sky pointed tank on the Rebel. The answer is diversity. Gas, electric, hybrid, and hydrogen powerplants should all be available. Eh, you guys don't know stugotz! lol

[@camt2626]

Spurge, that Rossi news was announced before the end of last season.

[@641pjensen]

While your point about Suzuki not introducing anything new and interesting lately is valid. The Vstrom was a new bike, just not a new engine. I mean come on, Vstrom is not a different bike than a TLR/TLS...get ouuta here. The 2014 Vstrom was also a new bike. New frame, new upside down suspension, radial brakes etc. Word has it they re really working on a parallel twin SV650 replacement now. We'll see. Where is the DRZ400 replacement, or the DR650 update?

[@nickthequick]

Cruise control is great when you have the road to yourself, but in heavy traffic it's pretty useless, and that's where the radar makes is useful.

[@nickthequick]

Zack, check out Spurg's mic set-up and copy it ...

[@gregorysteffensen3279]

Swappable EV battery tech would make a ton of sense for those of us living in apartments or other living situations with minimal access to garages/carports/etc - means I could go to a station, rather than having to hope I can use my apartment's landscaping power plugs

[@pl5861]

I think the only purpose Harley's Adaptive RIde Height achieves is it allows riders to duck walk through Sturgis with all the other bikers.

[@smallfact0ry921]

I’m in the market for a simple single off-road dual sport adventure thingy. I was excited about the new KLR seeing its still basically the old bike with fuel injection. Then I saw it was direct-injection and not throttle-body. Now I’m sad.

[@daltonconder7]

Was the Suzuki Vanvan new? Or just to America?

[@gregorysteffensen3279]

been sold in Japan and EU for a very long while

[@TheCdubbleyoo]

Even when it was new it wasn't new. I wish i could find one for chips near me.

[@ThePalmatron]

Great show guys..thanks!

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I recently found out that Yamaha has been into electric bicycles for 20 years.. some real high tech quality bikes ..

[@kenlombard3269]

Harley and Suzuki should partner up on a Har-uki Pan-abusa! Ask Lance what he thinks of that? LOL

[@CCitis]

Guys, talking about the Super Ten... you have to do an episode on your top 10 ADV bikes. Come on!

[@thinkdunson]

every time Spurge says Courts, it sounds like he's saying quartz.

[@motorcyclefanboy2847]

This will not play all the way through on spotify

[@SpurgeonDunbar]

We're aware of it and we're working to fix it.

[@88888888Rocket1]

Sprug, love the hair; can you please help Zack, he needs all the help he can get. 🤣

[@wnicklas]

You guys are taking about, for ever! Sounds like you like motorcycles..... 🙄 Thanks for your show 👍🏻 😁

[@_Makanko_]

Great show guys.

[@Kunivaaaa]

I'm kinda asking myself why Suzuki even still exists

[@nightrider7703]

Hey revzilla any plans on a review for the rebel 1100? And will it be good for a begginer bike aswell ?

[@TheCdubbleyoo]

Start with the 500. Better yet, on a dirtbike. On dirt.

[@benpielstick]

I do in fact, always enjoy this.

[@nathanmyers2033]

I've never been to a KZbin video this early. I feel like I should comment something clever.

[@gnumel]

To correct Zach: Rossi did not win his first year in 500, he finished 2nd. Kenny Roberts Jr won with Suzuki. And Rossi was on the Official Honda team. However, he won his 2nd AND LAST year with the 500, jumping on the 4 strokes the year after. He went on to win 5 consecutive world titles (2001-2005) including the one where he switch from Honda to Yamaha. The first years of Rossi in MotoGP were BONKERS. After his 100 first top-class races Rossi had 5 titles and 54 wins. And that included chaning from 2 strokes to 4 strokes and from Honda to Yamaha. Marquez, who's obviously the fastest man today and for how incredibly strong he is, did 4 titles and 40 wins in his first 100 top-class races (I don't think the 4 titles vs 5 is a fair comparison - more gp per season, but the 54 vs 40 win is). www.cycleworld.com/is-marc-marquez-better-than-valentino-rossi-after-100-motogp-races/

[@Firestorm637]

I owned a 2014 KLR 650 overweight, underpowered and too wide. Look at the KTM 390 adventure instead. 43 horsepower, 389 pounds wet, stability control with IMU standard, TFT, adjustable suspension, Led everything, $6100!!!!!!

[@brianrainey2739]

ebikes are a very wide ranging category. There are mtn ebikes on the market now that cost more than motocross and enduro bikes. See the Specialized site and prepare to be dumbfounded by the absurd prices....

[@12masterr]

The new klr650? Ummm, is like the "new" hayabusa" lol

[@evh1232]

When is the next ctxp?

[@SpurgeonDunbar]

New Episodes start early April!

[@DailyDrivenBikes_1]

The hayabusa is a legend of the speed wars. I always wear carharts. If harley didn't can the Bronx it's a bike that could have saved them.

[@intergalacticbasketballdro7186]

17:24 Put an extended swingarm on your Hayabusa,... 🤑 (so you can use it as a Hill Climber). 🤪

[@barrettwbenton]

"Underwire?" Is Harley teaming up with Maidenform or something?

[@jonnyutah1159]

The B King was the last all new platform

[@lazartsaprev2580]

Shell announced in October it would increase its spending on low-carbon energy to 25% of overall capital expenditure by 2025 and the sources said that would translate into more than $5 billion a year, up from $1.5 billion to $2 billion now

[@pmdinaz]

I owned two Super Hawks..regret selling them...but no efi..shame shame