Reworks & Changes with the Ogres, Greenskins & Khorne in Patch 6.0?

[@Roll_The_Rat]

I had no idea ogres had the confederate thing now, this is why i like zerk he makes sure to get the info in instead of speedrunning or yapping

[@Zwijger]

It's straight up in the patchnotes?

[@darkfool2000]

@@Zwijger and the patch notes were released only a few hours ago, so of course they didn't know.

[@emprahsfinest7092]

I think the confederate thing should only be for Greasus tbh

[@General_Ward]

The ogre camp fix is absolutely genius. Hopefully it feels as good as it sounds but that person deserves a raise for identifying and fixing the issue so succintly.

[@alexgame3357]

I mean its a pretty scuffed fix, but my god its better than nothing.

[@giacomoromano8842]

My dwarven arse looking at this update: "Everyday, we stray further from the light of Grimnir..."

[@ravnemagne9598]

You already had your reworks. Go and bother some elves instead.

[@Jefrejtor]

​@@ravnemagne9598 grumbling is pretty much all these short gits do anyway

[@TrueNamelessOne]

​@@Jefrejtor *S H O R T ?*

[@jameslennie5203]

@@TrueNamelessOne Thats going in the Book

[@JohnJohn-r4l]

@@TrueNamelessOnedon’t be so *short* tempered

[@Josiah_Trelawny1]

i cant wait for a new skarsnik campaign. full squig and gobbo armies yes.

[@childoftheeternalsky2382]

Based trelawny enjoyer

[@ShadowWalker-ng1it]

Correction skarsnik can now recruit orcs from settlements other than 8peaks. Lost the ability to recruit orcs hero tho

[@justStevenYaffe]

Still waiting for greasus model rework so that he's carried by gnoblars.

[@sbraypaynt]

Still waiting for Greasus model to not look like complete undercooked low effort shit.

[@discoshrew7403]

@@sbraypayntthe most critical people are usually those with the least to show for their own lives.

[@tomatoesofdoom]

@@discoshrew7403 CA definitely has a problem with creating new models

[@TheWhiteDwarfReal]

Least dramatic warhammer fan

[@Ulfberht59]

@@discoshrew7403 tell that to Gorden Ramsey. lmao are people not able to have criticisms? I also think greaus model is shit

[@kobal6525]

Imagine if the ai can use those broken insta raze/buyout. A shame the buyout option does not give the recipient 25k, would be a nice mechanic or balance decision lol.

[@empyrean2569]

Hype for the dlc, especially my green boys! Still sad for not having a mechanic about Azhag and his crown, but there are other factions that would have needed a rework before the greenskins, so I'm not gonna complain.

[@TheRewasder97]

Still waiting for Speed Greasus to make a quick comeback

[@cygnusx-1256]

But like a different kind of comeback than Kim K. right? RIGHT??

[@RandKin]

Greasus Lightning was indeed peak

[@sim.frischh9781]

I am glad we finally get the "Pack up Camp and move it elsewhere" mechanic.

[@TheRestrainedHunger728]

these updates are awesome being able to just blow up and take a settlement with khorne and the now camp updates is a big deal for the ogres not having to sit in a camp spot for 10+ turns just to get your meat back up is a great change i'm all for these new updates.

[@PingachuWarham]

You never had to sit at a camp to build up meat, if you did you were playing ogres wrong

[@chromsh2806]

Bro that camp intro was foul😂

[@garryame4008]

I wish the Greenskin older legendary Lords (like Azhag And Grimgor) got reworked to get unique campaign mechanics. It also feels like Skarbrand got left in the dust too :(

[@TheHam8919]

He was exiled for a reason 😅

[@onionhat745]

Being able to move Ogre Camps is big.

[@Matthew-du8pr]

One thing I definitely have to give the development team credit for is when that they implement changes, they always seem to be an improvement

[@dr.t87]

Without having played the DLC, it looks like they made some really reasonable changes for the three factions. I like that Greasus and the other fatso get their own mechanics, this really raises the replayability and makes each faction and lord more interesting.

[@jameslennie5203]

that 3 turn reoccupation immunity is going to be extremely useful for khorne players. it really bugs me when i raze a settlement move off then 1 or 2 turns later i have to raze it again because some git snuck in and took it

[@seansalzman707]

Feels like removing growth from bloodletting is a huge nerf.

[@unmeclambda5837]

I believe the growth can now be gained through the skull throne

[@darkpaladin9130]

Nah bro, I got so sick of disbanding lords just because I play slower and they're actively draining my growth

[@spartan8090]

@@darkpaladin9130I fully agree. It sucked knowing that if I lost too many troops I’d basically have to suicide the army in order to keep my growth up. It’d be one thing if there wasn’t a negative growth when the bloodletting is inactive but with that it becomes intolerable.

[@kommentier9884]

Apparently theres a technology for Khorne that gives +10 growth to all provinces for each battle that you fight. A small consolation prize

[@unmeclambda5837]

@@kommentier9884 that's actually huge, that means a single army can now fuel the entire growth of your empire, when it was previously limited to something like +60 after 9 battles. Since Skarbrand can pretty much fight 10 battles in a single turn, that's pretty great

[@cupiksensei353]

Oh! So that's why greesus gets so strong so fast in my campaigns! Plus Ogres being OP in auto-battle

[@cron1807]

Wow I didn't realize Khorne got so much better

[@yamahadrag69]

I know it doesn't seem like much, but with Heavens and Death I believe the ogres magical lore catalog is complete. That's cool because I really like the butcher design in game. Guts out my dudes cuz the ogrehaul is gonna *slap*

[@Tuck213]

Thanks dude very informative. Good changes too!

[@p.p.wienersson]

Non legendary lords could already have big names. At least the tyrant lords could I can’t remember if the casters can or not

[@Crucial_End]

Looking forward to the Greenskins update. Time for a Skarsnik campaign tomorrow😁

[@EveloGrave]

This DLC is going in me gut! The Maw calls!

[@brandor763]

Looked at the 6.0 patch notes... no Khornataurs for Beastmen?? CA said they would add them....

[@mathiasbrohl4333]

What about skarsniks Stalking stance?

[@jamesk2325]

is it not the case that skarsnik already couldn't recruit orcs before taking karak eight peaks?

[@volrosku.6075]

moveable camps, lore of heavens and an ogre lords who's not ugly as sin?! LETS GO!

[@volrosku.6075]

question with the new lores did they also add in the casting lords for those lores or is it still just beasts and maw there?

[@warweasel2330]

I'm pretty sure Ogre generics had Big Name access previously.

[@Raclawgra]

I still have hope to play full Ulric army some day. With proper shapechangers at the front. :)

[@eatsnowanddie]

my only issue with playing khorne is being a little overwhelmed with having to constantly fight, which makes sense for khorne, yet while also being pushed back or hammered and needing to chill out and replenish you cant really do that

[@cygnusx-1256]

great content overview Zerk! best I've seen and nice it isn't crammed with overly strong opinions, just great delivery of the material and some personal thoughts here and there to leave it up to us to evaluate on individual basis. I think that daemons should get increased revive per rank achieved, not a lot but something like 3-5% increase total, stronger daemons have stronger binding thematically and it feels better as a player. Just my opinion.

[@Kb0montty2]

Pack up camp is perfect! Glad they added it.

[@calummckee8030]

Not paying upkeep on bloodhosts is crazy, might actually enjoy playing Khorne after the DLC drops, hated always suffering attirtion because of lack of funds.

[@ottovonbaden6353]

They sound great on paper! Looking forward to seeing how they play.

[@BarokaiRein]

Imagine if they did something fucking wild like updating Norsca in any way, shape, or form.

[@MrGrim]

I hope in the slaanesh update, since they are so cavalry focused, that bretonnia is included in that project

[@Goatboy451]

Your videos are usually great, Zerk, but i recommend people read the patch notes about the Greenskin changes. A lot of stuff was missed in this video.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

You probably should have mentioned that Ogre confederation seems to incur the usual penalties judging by the icon on the top right. Also, can camps now attack armies and settlements? Can they still not be deployed in close proximity to settlements? Do they still raid other people's territory automatically if deployed there?

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Does "Daemons Reforged" apply to characters like Daemon Princes or monogod heroes as well? Can it affect characters like Vilitch or Valkia who can basically become Daemons through their skill tree?

[@Dking3078]

It’s never a Zerkovich video if there are no elves being killed in it.

[@elizabethlougee6322]

Do we know if Valkia's bloodletting is also being effected by the rework?

[@JakeCWolf]

Just checking, does Daniel get the Daemons Reforged Mechanic too?

[@Zerkovich]

Yep! Anyone with daemons.

[@JakeCWolf]

@@Zerkovich Oh good, maybe his Immortal Empires start will suck a little less now, oh what am I saying it's still gonna suck.

[@CaravanBlueRoses]

His starting units are trash. He needs to pick between the 4 gods so you can have a thematic army from the start. Oh, and revamp the skill tree because half his perks are trash.

[@JakeCWolf]

@@CaravanBlueRoses More like over half, but thank you for the advice friend!

[@coaiemandushman1079]

the Ogre confederation mechanic should be like this: You KILL the enemy lord permanently, you get everything AND the lord who killed the enemy leader gets a stat buff, as the loser gets eaten.

[@TheDreamingMan]

One thing I would hope for is if you are in a pvp campaign and playing Golg, that your friends can hire you to put out a hit on the other, I somewhat doubt that will work or that they thought about that, but it would be cool nonetheless

[@rubz1390]

Could Skarsnik always recruit Orcs in Warhammer3? In game 1 and 2 he had to conquer 8 Peaks first.

[@shankly3462]

He’s never been able to get Orcs till 8 peaks, I think Zerk just made a mistake with that one

[@TalosBjorn]

Gods I cant wait to finally do a proper Ogre campaign

[@FridayNightPlayer21]

"Daemons Reforged" Jumping around like Jesse Pinkman rn

[@StunSeed98]

sooo... where does Khorne get its growth from now?

[@digifan02]

Pretty sure its from mortal settelments and the skull throne Plus I have to assume the tech tree has atleast been partially redone

[@Nebin164]

Everything looks cool, except one thing, i dont like the way we have to choose between demon and "human" settlements in khorne.

[@sinbotosimmons7624]

That Daemon reforged thing is going to be nice for my Slaanesh game, love the faction but damn does autoresolve hate them early on.

[@nickdaniels9485]

I've tried a few times playing as the greenskins, unfortunately though I just couldn't enjoy them compared to most other factions. I think now though I will give them another try and do my best to stick with them.

[@Belgo666]

cool for the ogres!

[@tf2g44]

What's up with the splash attack change?

[@fredericcharbonneau6570]

Big khorne guy and holy shit i am excited for this update, the new income system is so much better and actually using bloodhost armies without ruining your economie is gonna be super fun

[@Howdy762]

I am a noob here. I just started playing korn and didn't like it. This update just changed everything I didn't like. I'm gonna go play It again lol

[@FUNBadTime]

I just hope it wont take too much flavour away from him, always having to fight and being majorly punished for it if you dont was a big part of his identity. It took some getting used to, but after you got the gist, it felt so uniqe to anything I had played before. I hope the same feeling is still there with the updates that I feel just make it easier.

[@patrickdixon5692]

Blood host armies have no upkeep? Good lord the early game snowball could be real

[@Alexander59059]

2:18 I wonder how the contracts are generated that you can get nearly 40k gold for sacking a single settlement

[@FUNBadTime]

The previous update made adjustments so distance to your forces is now part of the equation. The other contracts are in the old world and thus pay relatively less, since they are probably nearer to the player, but the one targeting a cathayan settlement would have to be much further away.

[@dimshadow148]

pack up camp is HUGE

[@CynicalScientist261]

Does the demons reforged work for all daemons? Or just khornian ones?

[@cdean2941]

The skull meter goes to 40,000... is that a hint, CA?

[@MightyGodlikeG]

I dont Know why they didnt put the "pack up camp" feature into the game in the first place. i never understood why i need the camp for all the recruitment etc but cant move it

[@caret_shell]

0:05 Skull-cape? Really? Dude needs to stop accessorizing, and toss those skulls on the Skull Throne before Khorne sees it!

[@brendoggo787]

Who’s smarter, gorebad or skarsnik?

[@xaldrortenderofthevats8948]

do Beastmen get Minotaurs of Khorne now, btw? Taurox would like to graze with his brothers on gore and corpses.

[@victorcaldera249]

still need a mod.

[@leonidas231]

just wish Arbaal and Gorbad had better start locations, for each of them its just doing the same thing and fighting the same enemies again as old LLs

[@fritz8393]

iam definitely naming ome of my ogrer Lords Elf Beater

[@mathewmarkel5056]

All ogre characters had big names pre patch

[@riccardocorradini6713]

Do we have khorne Minotaurs for beastmen?

[@victorcaldera249]

nope mod needed

[@Zuginator]

Skarsnik has no access to Black Orc Heroes, until 8 Peaks?!?!

[@Shinekage]

Please tell me the settlement buyout has a cap on its cost. If its just 25k thats incredible. Oh gods Wurzhag has early access to lizardmen waagh trophy? Nakid boys with like 80% phys res at like turn 20-30 AND they can remove magic attacks even outside Wurzhags stack? Busted.

[@Magyarkhan]

and then Floorever entered the room

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

I think it would be cool if some Khorne units had Magic/Psychic powers, BUT they’re all (ironically) non-violent. They’d be about summoning Daemons, warding off enemies attempts to debuff or scare off your troops, handling little boring things like travel, communicating, logistics, gathering intel, etc… Basically they would focus on mitigating and/or removing any and all obstacles Khonres armies would have to put up with that would distract them from shedding blood and harvesting skulls for the throne.

[@smartheatwaveup765]

Greenskins got the best upgradz! WE'Z DA BEST

[@Schimmel198]

Does anyone know the deamons reforged mechanic is just for khorne or the other gods too?

[@empyrean2569]

All daemons factions (Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Khorne, Daniel's Faction) and Warriors of Chaos but not for the Chaos Dwarfs.

[@Schimmel198]

@empyrean2569 nice 👍🏼 thanks man 🤟🏼

[@billylee7398]

Wait, so Khrone can no longer run the entire map anymore? Nuhhhhhhh! I prefer him to be able run the map with the infinite or a lot of campaign movements.

[@Вейн-э5б]

OMG an actual nomads who can LEAVE their camp and MOVE ON? I can't imagine it is possible in 2024! *ultimate sarcasm*

[@JosephMitchell-p4o]

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[@TheMarcman77]

But can taurox recruit minotaurs of khorne?

[@victorcaldera249]

nope

[@jonschneck1871]

Oh, come on. Doesn't Teclis have enough problems already?

[@radnypotw]

60 for long camp victory? I dont even have a chance to spot enemy on multi now nice

[@Chris-ms7hd]

imagine disbanding Archaon and Tamurkhan armies for 20,000 gold

[@giorgaras1851]

In most cases it's not gonna be worth it because it only disbands the units making almost useless against Tamurkhan with how many heroes he has.

[@TheBoneKing]

What even changed for the grimgor yellow tree man i wish they would add some good shit instead of cause terror and fear

[@JuanGomez-gy4nw]

Why are we still waiting for a price???

[@Daiciyomon_4594]

No FLC?

[@fignewton9]

"Less passive income as Khorne" Khorne has income?

[@therealdoomsage]

Jesus; guess I'll come back to the series when they finally fucking update the factions I play because it's getting a bit bullshit right meow.

[@LSDon-gs7bz]

thank god for the daemons reforged maybe i wont lose as many of my back stabbing throat slitters when i play slaanesh.

[@urezzz]

My sausages! 😭

[@LirykChafla]

Love to see it

[@levifairchild6725]

So are you going to do a review? If not what do you think honestly? You think it's crap?

[@Sham_Seer]

I dont like the options to instantly occupy or raze settlements. The ai having them will be a headache and having them as a player feels like cheating. Everything else looks cool.

[@123slop321]

nice DLC

[@keremdemircan4203]

Khorne actually got nerfed wow. Why do you have to touch my 60 gold man why ??? Is there any reason to occupy settlements now? It seems to have little effect, but Khorne had a unique compound effect in his economics, and now they butchered it.

[@FUNBadTime]

Settlements can now globally buff your upkeep reduction and your razing / post battle income. Also your recruitment buildings now give a little income instead. Also the recruitment of demons and mortals is now apparently split between different building chains. Also look up the effects of unique resources as Khorne those are bonkers strong, each with global buffs.

[@TheSpaceWomble]

👍

[@KhorneFlakes9]

Still waiting for proper Greenskin reworks and skill tree changes. They feel half finished!😢

[@wambowombax2631]

honestly i think they are fine. My favourite race, they should stay simple, it just fits

[@KhorneFlakes9]

@ No skill tree update will change their simplicity though.

[@Paul-om9ji]

Urge rework should have happened since day one they came out. 2 years too late

[@3liq868]

MONEY FOR OGRES

[@Shimatzu95]

Any RESONABLE reason the camps cant just move around? Hell make them unable to attack if you are worried about that.

[@coacoaboat]

The camps have no upkeep, and its forces can reinforce yours in battle like any other settlement. If they let them just move around, you basically have an upkeep-free second army following you around everywhere that, while it wouldn’t be allowed to attack on their own, could reinforce every battle your army gets into.

[@rmpotterYT]

Packing the camps allows you to take them with you when you teleport long distances across the map for contracts. If the camps just simply moved around like armies you’d have to walk them across the world or create new ones. So the packing system seems like the best option they could have went with imo. That’s my $0.02 anyway.

[@Shimatzu95]

@@coacoaboat ok, i can see that. Kinda forgot they have/had no upkeep, that being said this could also be changed into something like the blackark "tech" where they just have reduced upkeep instead

[@InquisitorThomas]

@@coacoaboatAlso in Golg’s case, his faction is pretty much all about going across the world as quickly as possible seeking new contracts, if his camps didn’t move with him then his recruitment infrastructure that he needs to actually wage war would be cut off, Like we see in the video, Golg had a contract half way across the world in Cathay, and if the camp moved like a regular army it would have taken dozens of turns to reach the far east, by which point Golg might have gotten a contract in Lustria instead.

[@danny123451]

Camps don't tend to have wheels. They need to pack and unpack unlike black arks which are big ships.