What if Finland Won the Winter War?

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Believe it or not, if Finland had won the Winter war, this would likely change the Second World War drastically. The Soviet Union would look weaker on the international level, with Finland, securing their land.
How would that change the Second World War and would Germany come out on top? Keep watching to find out! Since you’re here, I’ll give you a surprise! I will not be using one point of divergence, but two of them!
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▬ Contents of this video ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
00:00 - Video Intro
00:22 - Early years of Finland
01:30 - Events in WW2
02:28 - Soviet Negotiations with Finland
03:58 - Winter War
05:31 - Operation Barbarossa
06:00 - Finnish Coin from 1941
06:11 - Alternate History part
07:25 - Sponsorship
08:20 - Alternate Peace Treaty
09:32 - The USSR cannot expand
10:10 - Alternate World War 2
11:31 - WW2 Peace Treaty
12:02 - Another Point of Divergence
13:15 - Another Winter War
14:47 - Greater Finland in the Modern World
15:46 - Video Outro

[@rewriting-history]

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[@Useless_edits]

can you do what if the sino-soviet split never happened?

[@KrokLP]

Where do you have the statement from that the Germans thought the Soviets could be defeated in two weeks?

[@KrokLP]

"The Soviets would probably loose either Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad [...] would that make a difference? Probably not with all the American lend-lease" I let it slide that you proposed the Russians would give up Murmansk without Finland capturing it, the base of their white sea fleet, but saying a scenario without Murmansk nor Stalingrad wouldn't change much is just talking out of your a**. Where do you think the American lend-lease would go to? Vladivostok right next to Japan? lmao What a waste of time. You must learn more about history, economy and geography before you make a channel like this.

[@user-mt6qi4gp2b]

Правиш страхотни видеа, продължавай все така! ❤

[@rewriting-history]

@@user-mt6qi4gp2b Много благодаря! Оценявам го страшно много!

[@Rockidude]

suggestion: what if germany lost ww2

[@Model3140digitalalarmclock]

That’s too unrealistic.

[@rewriting-history]

trueeeee

[@kugsyy]

Yeah if Germany somehow found a way to bring the US into the war and lose at stalingrad and Leningrad the world would be crazy

[@kaanyasin3733]

Reichsbürger be Like:

[@KrokLP]

​@@kaanyasin3733 Absolute idiot. If you don't know about something then just keep quiet about it. Reichsbürger are often anti-nazi monarchists, hell, they even say the current government is facist...

[@Ile-17]

My great grandfather who was veteran of both winter- and continuation war's once said that even though moral amongst the troops was high it was shock to all how well they performed during the winter war. He never really specified if they though that they were going to win the war but i don't really see how realistic it is to see that victory could have been possible. But its always fun to theorize! Great video again!

[@rewriting-history]

Thank you for sharing this interesting information! I appreciate it!

[@kamppaaa]

kunniaa hälle kovista taisteluista

[@finnishmapper415]

We shall not fail

[@Emel_unlegit]

The fact that Finnland held out at all was a miracle. How they would win the winter war is beyond me

[@rewriting-history]

I mean the climate and terrain did help them not lose for a while. With some soviet incompetence, it's fair that Finland would hold out longer

[@realaurorien]

Not a miracle, its called incompetence in Soviet high command mixed with relentless aid from western powers, their enemy also foolishly decided to invade during deep snow without any camoflage or coordinated plan, but longer as the war went on the worse Finland began to do, as both factors started being less prominent, they eventually had to concede

[@Mysterythehedgehog]

Finn here. There are few reasons we ended up losing the winter war. One being that we simply ran out of supplies when Soviets began to throw more and more men at us. Second is that Soviets changed their overall attack plan to be smarter when compared to the start of the war. So that plus just throwing in more numbers and we simply lost supplies.

[@Temonixs]

@@Mysterythehedgehogi wouldnt even count that as a loss, the casualities speak for themselfs, also, the incredible static defence in the beginning pushed the finnish high command to do stupid things like the vilinus offensive, in the end still, you managed to repel the russians and even recover so much that you started a round 2 called the continuation war

[@darkdestroyerza2381]

​@@TemonixsAnother finn here, we certainly did lose and our performance in the winter war led us to over believe in ourselves and fight the continuation war which led to even more unnecessary loss of life on our part and more territory lost, as well as giving ourselves the unsavoury look of nominally siding with the Nazis

[@leooivio]

The communists didnt win Finlands first election the SDP did. SDP is the social democratic party not the communists who are the SKP (suomen kommunistinen puolue). They remain a popular party ro this day in Finland unlike the actual communists who were banned then and now are so unpopular that they remain outside parlament in no form of power

[@rewriting-history]

Yeah not the initial party they fought, but later they became the actual communists. I just wanted to save time and not confuse the casual viewer

[@butterflies655]

​​​@@rewriting-historySDP is not a communist party. There is a communist party in Finland, but it is very irrelevant. SDP in Finland like in every Nordic country, basically wants the country to be capitalist and it strongly emphasizes the freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of living etc. It just wants ppl to be equal and poor ppl get support. For instance free healthcare and free education. If these matters are free it doesn't mean the country is a communist or socialist country.

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

Your accent is fascinating, i never knew they used the hard Rs so much in Bulgaria. Its the same here in Finland, we always use the hard R.

[@rewriting-history]

I've spoken with other Finns and they have told me the same too!

[@TheMaltesefalcon204]

I thought you may have been estonian because you pronounced Tartu with that "R".

[@P0PG03S]

I am gonna crank that hard R, Batman.

[@hasdagger1916]

@@TheMaltesefalcon204 Estonian here. He didnt sound Estonian at all. I mean where was the bad accent that makes you sound like you got a potatoe in your mouth? I thought he was Finnish though.

[@m3c4nyku43]

2:30-3:30 wow I'm surprised someone has finally presented the full situation more objectively. Props to you! 👍

[@rewriting-history]

Appreciate it very much! Cheers!

[@otherhouse]

It is incorrect though. The Soviets wanted to annex the entire country

[@m3c4nyku43]

@@otherhouse Yeah sure dude I'm sure they wanted to annex the entire Milky Way Galaxy just like any other country... The documents show they only wanted some lands around Leningrad in exchange for some more soviet land further north.

[@lighterudite]

Finland eastern border looks so weird. With Kola and Karelia it looks "complete". Virrat area and Kola it's like, cutting it in half, reflecting and invert/flip vertically.

[@jameslongstreet9259]

Yes, the Finnish south eastern border looks like a chunk was sliced of with a knife.

[@ThatRandomTurk]

Suggestion: What if the allies won world war one?

[@rewriting-history]

Ah yes, unhistorical! :D

[@theeternalsuperstar3773]

So, Fuherreich?

[@ClovarChillin]

bro's literally a hardcore hoi4 player@@theeternalsuperstar3773

[@realawesomeos]

could you imagine if that happened

[@alexzero3736]

​@@theeternalsuperstar3773one of best mods BTW. Italy was done here better than in By Blood alone

[@memazov6601]

Greater Finland is any hoi4 finish player wet dream

[@rewriting-history]

Exactly!

[@nipoteemus]

invaded all the nordic nations with finland once

[@bukanIqbal375]

Suggestion : What if Austria unite Germany instead of Prussia?

[@rewriting-history]

Yes I will do this video very soon! Stay tuned!

[@alexzero3736]

Better and more plausible: What if Germany united under Austrian supervision? ( leaving Prussia aside)

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content man! Suggestion: What if Carlos II of spain had a son and there was no war of spanish succession?

[@rewriting-history]

Thank you for the suggestion. I'm working on map for every year right now

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

@@rewriting-history Always man! You're awesome

[@lemonboy9208]

Amazing Video!!

[@rewriting-history]

Thank you! I appreciate it

[@m3c4nyku43]

1:50 There was no alliance between USSR and Germany. USSR just signed a non-aggression pact with Germany just like every other European country did, including France and UK. Stalin/USSR proposed to France and UK to jointly station 1 million soldiers in Czechoslovakia to stop Germany from annexing it. France initially was in support of this, but UK who was against it, pressured France out of it and so France withdrew, leaving Czechoslovakia to the mercy of Germany.

[@m3c4nyku43]

​@@CycnusInfernusThe context is that the USSR offered France and UK a proposal to jointly station 1 million troops in Czechoslovakia to stop Germany from annexing them, at which France initially agreed, but the UK who was against it for some reason pressured France out of it and France withdrew from it. So having that happened and Germany continuing to annex countries and pressing for territorial claims in Lithuania and Poland, this agreement comes off as "we know you're gonna annex more countries and the West is not gonna do anything about it, so don't cross this line and don't get involved in the Balkans". And you're sad that N. Germany didn't get a say in Lithuania as well?

[@ollimander]

>The kinship wars result in East Karelian liberation, the purchase of Kola and the inevitability of Greater Finland Based beyond belief. Best timeline.

[@rewriting-history]

Appreciate it very much! Cheers mate!

[@PaperGuy_]

Finland's goal was to keep their independence. They succeeded. USSR's goal was to invade Finland. They failed. I see this as an absolute win

[@martin7002]

Well a win is when you defeat your opponent, so I am afraid paper says different

[@butterbean9011]

Maybe close, Finland want keep they own territory. Thats all.

[@Kissalege]

​@@martin7002papers don't tell the full story

[@caiolima5016]

No

[@norlex416]

The goal of the ussr was to keep a distance between Leningrad and Finland

[@yung2jhg]

What if Venice remained as a naval power and participated in the colonisation of the Americas? Would it be strong enough to rival other powers such as France and Spain?

[@rewriting-history]

Lovely idea! I have wanted to do something about Venice, so this is amazing!

[@gengarzilla1685]

Venice's position across the eastern Mediterranean is not really conducive for new world colonialism. If any of the Italies would have reached America, I reckon it'd be Genoa.

[@alexzero3736]

​@@gengarzilla1685fun fact: Columbus was born in Genoa

[@m3c4nyku43]

1:45 No, USSR didn't "act as soon as possible". They intervened in Poland 2 weeks AFTER Germany captured WARSAW, the polish capital, and the polish government was already in exile.

[@rewriting-history]

I agree with you, but as soon as possible taking a month geopolitically is very good. When politicians say they are going to so something, it usually takes them a decade. In the grand scope of things, the USSR acted quickly

[@blazingblizzard-6894]

I’ve got one bizarre scenario cooked up. The point of divergence is the war of Spanish succession, where the Dutch trade Formosa with Austria in exchange for Belgian land. Austria then settles and maintains the colony for the next 200 years. In WWI, Austro-Hungarian Formosa fights alone on the defense. However due to favorable terrain, they successfully defend the island from the Japanese. In October 1918, when Austria-Hungary in Europe is about to collapse, Admiral Horthy tells Kaiser Karl I of a desperate last stand plan, seeing how Austro-Hungarian Formosa is still standing. The Habsburg government and royals escape by plane, while the navy attempts an all-out assault on Gibraltar with everything to escape the Mediterranean. The “Miracle at The Rock” as it would later be known, is a surprise decisive Austro-Hungarian victory, and they occupy Gibraltar until their navy gets through the strait. German Naval forces, seeing what Austria could do, decide to fight to the end alongside Austria. They fight through the English Channel, taking significant casualties, but they meet up with the Austrian navy by Argentina and sail to Formosa together. The German + Austrian navies break a Japanese naval siege of the island, and decide to make peace. Austria-Hungary still loses their European lands (including Austria and Hungary proper), but was able to keep Formosa. Unofficially, Austria-Hungary has now become Formösterreich, the real name of the scenario. (It’s the basis for a HOI4 mod that’s in progress, hopefully it’ll be fun when it’s done) Also… can we PLEASE get an upload schedule for upcoming projects? No need for set times or days, just planned content.

[@Bird526]

Video idea: What if Bavaria United Germany.

[@rewriting-history]

Already have it! Will do it soon! According to the likes this got, the idea is popular!

[@alexanderbjorling6825]

Then at last Karelia would be free, glory to Finland from Sweden

[@rewriting-history]

Glory to the Nordics from Bulgaria!

[@tanev5827]

Много хубави видеа, успех!!

[@rewriting-history]

Благодаря много! Оценявам подкрепата!

[@user-kt8yp5ho2y]

Suggestion: What if the 1938 Polish ultimatum to Lithuania caused WW2?

[@rewriting-history]

Thank you! I saved it for later!

[@user-kt8yp5ho2y]

@@rewriting-historyThank you so much! XD 😊😊😊

[@ClovarChillin]

If i were to create a squad then Finland: the bunker guy British: the "Call the backup NOW!!!" USSR: the one who always rushes Germany: the one who never watches whats behind

[@rewriting-history]

Oh nice! I should make a similar video where I do countries in different video games

[@stargazer-elite]

How about a Countryballs RPG (this took me a long time to make I hope you like it) The UK/British Empire: summoner *summons it’s colonies to battle* The USSR or Russia: the big brute/tank *has loads of health but is slow* Germany: the fast speedster *is the fastest character in all aspects but has low health* France: the defender *holds the line with shields, barricades, etc* The USA: gunslinger *long range, fast fire rate and near endless amounts ammo* Poland: glass cannon *has low health but dose loads of damage* Belgium: support *buffs allies stats but has lower health than most* Saudi Arabia: healer *heals allies with oil to help their military* Italy: flamethrower *fires up the oven or Roman fire* The Netherlands: Earth holder *uses the land they take from the water as attacks* Mexico: witch/wizard *uses dru- I mean potions* Vietnam: sneaky *is really quiet to sneak up on enemies* South Korea: debuff *sings songs that can affect enemies in negative ways* Japan: swordsman *fast paced melee combat* China: revival *can revive themselves without any assistance* India: illusionist *uses illusions to confuse the enemy like multiplying* Chile: one by one * does lots of damage but only to one target at a time* Brazil: green warrior *uses the nature as a weapon* Finland: fringed *uses Ice attacks* Indonesia: scuba solder *uses water as an attack* Ethiopia: piercer *uses attacks that pierce through enemies* Switzerland: neutral * using diplomacy persuades enemies to attack their own aka hypnosis* Liberia: mini fighter *uses similar tactics as the USA but with slightly worse stats in some areas but better in others* Greece: striker *dosnt do much base damage but has high crit chance* Romania: vampire *drains enemy health and absorbs it for themselves* Panama: phase *has chances to not take damage* North Korea: explosives *does heavy mid damage in large areas* Bulgaria: death blow *the more damage taken the more damage dealt* Ireland: rager *can get into a drunken rage upping stats for a short while* Afghanistan: copy cat *takes enemies weapons and abilities to use against them*

[@ChaffyExpert]

USSR and Germany should be flipped, Germans rush, the soviets do the deep battle/ defense in depth.

[@oliverwortley3822]

i love your accent and voice. it’s so attractive.

[@rewriting-history]

Didn't think people would like it, but here we are! Appreciate it very much!

[@oliverwortley3822]

@@rewriting-history there’s something about eastern european, balkan and slavic men speaking english with their strong, thick accents that’s hot 😫😫

[@GGGG-jn7ib]

The 1 thing I do not understand is why the ussr invaded in late November when winter was like 1 week awayv

[@rewriting-history]

I don't get it either. They had their own motivation I guess

[@carl-theogmilfhunter-wheez9454]

Russians are known to be extremely stupid. That's why 😂

[@EBW3]

What if the Frisians became a major power

[@SkalzMapping]

Wow that’s a really good idea! 👍

[@rewriting-history]

They already did!

[@SkalzMapping]

@@rewriting-history Oh really? Nice! I’ll look it up then :)

[@ThatEzekielGuy]

Really cursed suggestion: what if the Volga Germans established themselves as a state in 1919 I think it would be funny for their to just be this dislocated area filled with Germans to be independent (how this can work is making white Russia win the civil war and being forced to recognize the independence of Volga Germany and other Caucasian states.)

[@rewriting-history]

Oh my this is cursed! I will attempt something similar and see if it works out. My audience isn't really into cursed scenarios sadly.

[@ThatEzekielGuy]

@@rewriting-history something funny about This is that the Volga German did get their own autonomous status in Soviet Russia but got it revoked after ww2

[@ToadwKirbo]

Good vid

[@rewriting-history]

Thank you! I really appreciate it!

[@ToadwKirbo]

One of your best videos if not the best

[@m3c4nyku43]

0:45 lmao I didn't even knew that, that's amazing

[@rewriting-history]

I'm glad you were able to learn something new! They weren't the same party they fought against, but were under the same branch of communism

[@m3c4nyku43]

​@@CycnusInfernusOh they only banned the _anti-parlamentrarian_ fascists and not the ones like the austrian painter? Oh then it's all good lmao they were increasingly anti-communist in the 1930s and in the Continuation War there were publications about "Finnish Lebensraum". Moderate my...

[@m3c4nyku43]

@@CycnusInfernus ok let's dive deeper, shall we? Finland was a province of Sweden for 600 years, then în 1808 it was ceded to Russian Empire as a Grand Duchy. During the Russian Civil War Finland declared independence and Soviet Russia recognised their independence on 2 January 1918. Finland turned to fight a civil war itself and and the "white" army won with the help of German forces, after which the new right-wing government actively supported anti-bolshevik forces, even allowing such armies to be formed on their territory. Finland's hostility towards USSR was unchanged throught the whole time until after WW2. Mannerheim told the London ‘Times’ in 1919 that Finland’s historic mission was to drive Bolshevism from Leningrad: “I strove deliberately and wittingly to create the foundations for our relations with Russia of the future by military action having for its objects the liberation of the capital of former Russia, together with a territory large enough to permit of the establishment of a stable and healthy minded Russian government, and thus to remove from our frontiers the peril of Bolshevism” . (C. Mannerheim, in: ‘Times’, 7 October 1919; p. 9). On 14 October 1920 the Soviet government signed with Finland the Treaty of Tartu, having, because of its weakness, to accept terms which made its security even worse than before: “The Treaty of Tartu was most unsatisfactory from the Soviets’ point of view, but they were in no position to resist Finnish demands. Two of its most signifciant provisions were the legalising of the Finnish seizure of the town and district of Petsamo, with its valuable nickel deposits, . . . and the redrawing of the Russo-Finnish border further down the Karelian Isthmus to a mere 18 miles from Petrograd”. (A. Read & D. Fisher: ibid,; p. 374). In 1939, having become a Great Power and with the threat of German intervention temporarily removed by the Soviet-German Non-Aggression Pact, the Soviet government sought to rectify the dangerous situation to its security resulting from the Treaty of Tartu. Many prominent Westerners who were not international lawyers agreed that the Soviet war with Finland was a just war. For example, the writer George Bernard Shaw* wrote in the ‘Daily Mail’ in December 1939, while the Soviet-Finnish War was still in progress: “Finland has been misled by a very foolish Government. She should have accepted Russia’s offer for a readjustment of territory. She should have been a sensible neighbour. Finland would probably not have refused the Russian offer had she been acting on her own. . No Power could tolerate a frontier from which a town such as Leningrad could be shelled, when she knows that the Power on the other side of the frontier . . . is being made by a foolish Government to act in the interests of other and greater powers menacing her security. In Russia’s view, Finland can have no defensible objection to carrying out the exchange of territories which Russia had asked of her unless she is allowing herself to be used by America or the Western Powers”. (G. B. Shaw, in: ‘Daily Mail’, 2 December 1939; p. 6). Even Winston Churchill, who had savagely condemned Soviet ‘aggression’ against Finland at the time, changed his view after 1941: “In the days of the Russo-Finnish war I had been sympathetic to Finland, but I had turned against her since she came into the war against the Soviets. Russia must have security for Leningrad and its approaches. The position of the Soviet Union as a permanent naval and air power in the Baltic must be assured”. (W. S. Churchill: ‘The Second World War’, Volume 6: Triumph And Tragedy’; London; 1954; p. 318). Do I need to detail and give quotes for the League of Nations (pre-UN basically) lack of actions against Germany, Italy and Japan but steadfast response against the USSR in this defensive war? Western sources portray the Finnish Democratic Republic as a puppet government, without any popular support. In fact, as we have seen, Finland had already had a socialist revolution and this had been crushed only with massive foreign help. But socialist feelings, and feelings of sympathy for the Socialist Soviet Union, among the Finnish working people was still significant even after the Soviet-Finnish War of 1939-40: “On 22 May (1940- Ed.) a formal meeting . . launched the ‘Finland-Soviet Union Peace and Friendship Society’ - generally known as SNS. . . . . It met a genuine public demand; meetings in Helsinki and the provinces were packed out, and in only five months SNS had recruited some 35,000 paying members in 115 local branches, in the face of every kind of official obstruction. . . SKP (the Communist Party of Finland - Ed.) rightly claims that this shows the existence in Finland of a substantial body of opinion which welcomed friendly relations with the Soviet Union. On 23 December the courts declared that SNS was an illegal organisation”. (A. F. Upton: ‘The Communist Parties of Scandinavia and Finland’; London; 1973; p. 225-26, 229-30). Many Western military experts insisted that the Mannerheim Line was ‘almost impregnable’: “It is quite probable that the Red Army will never breach the Mannerheim Line in the Karelian Isthmus”. (‘Times’, 19 December 1939; p. 8). “As an old campaigner in Finland, I can state that it will be almost impossible for the Russians to break through the Mannerheim defences by a frontal attack”. (‘Daily Telegraph’, 27 January 1940; p. 1) “Even in the unlikely case that the Russians were able to get a hold on some of the advanced positions in the Mannerheim Line, they would still have an almost impregnable chain of strong points to overrun before they were through” (‘Times’, 13 February 1940; p. 6). And Mannerheim himself told his troops on 17 February 1940: “You may rest assured the enemy will never succeed in breaking our lines.” (‘Observer’, 13 February 1940; p. 9). Deja vu ["Bakhmut our fortress"] Until almost the last day of the war, Western press reports from Finland gave the impression that the Red Army was being ignominously defeated. Winston Churchill, then First Lord of theAdmiralty, declared in a broadcast on 20 January 1940: “Finland . . . shows what free men can do. . . . They have exposed for all the world to see the military incapacity of the Red Army and Air Force. . . . Everyone can see how Communism rots the soul of a nation.” (‘Keesing’s Contemporary Archives’, Volume 3; op. cit.; p. 3,808). Deja Vu George Steer*, the ‘Daily Telegraph’ special correspondent in Finland. reported from Helsinki on 17 February: “By the end of the week the Isthmus offensive will have been raging for a fortnight. . . . I have not been to the front, nor has any other journalist, during that time.” (‘Daily Telegraph’, 17 February 1940; p. 6). and Virginia Cowles* cabled a similar story on 10 March: “No foreign correspondent here in Finland is allowed to visit any front whatsoever when a battle is taking place. All correspondents have been barred from the Isthmus for over a month now. They must rely for their news on the official communique, which is handed out in Helsinki each evening.” (‘Sunday Times’, 10 March 1940; p. 11). Western countries also heavily supported Finland in the Winter War. Deja Vu x2

[@trevordoo6866]

Socialism and communism isnt the same thing, all the nordics are still very socialistic like but never has been communist​@@rewriting-history

[@webelmapping]

Good vid + 1 sub😊

[@rewriting-history]

Thank you very much! Really appreciate it!

[@WyrmrestAccord]

Finland in 1920: Sends a couple more thousand volunteers to help some rebels in Karelia. Fast forward 40 years later: Total nuclear annihilation

[@konz7185]

A status quo of some sort is maybe a far-fetched possibility, but the Soviets ceding land to Finland and agreeing to any Finnish demands like liberation of Estonia is outright ridiculous and unrealistic. Even if they could somehow not empower Finnish defences on the long run, they would absolutely still be negotiating from a position of relative strength. Any real Finnish ''victory'' in WW2 is dumb and unrealistic, and this is coming from a Finnish person

[@rewriting-history]

I agree with you. Just think about what I have to say right now. If I am realistic, the video is boring. This is due to absolutely nothing changing. Need to sacrifice some realism, to achieve a good video.

[@konz7185]

@@rewriting-history Fair

[@ratisgood4448]

thanks for adding Fahrenheit just for me and definitely not anyone else (I’m also glad to see you got a sponsorship)

[@rewriting-history]

Thank you! Appreciate it all!

[@s_h_v1.0.87]

I love how no matter how big Finland gets the natzees still lose

[@rewriting-history]

Always big Finland!

[@solelak]

How are you able to power through so many fan suggestions? I always wondered.... Or how do you sort them?

[@rewriting-history]

I have a list and when I want to make a new video, i just go through it and start working

[@EBW3]

​@@rewriting-historyCan you do what if Frisia became a major power?

[@whitenutelica]

Ukraine have bigger chase of beating Russia now then Finland 100 years ago. Remember, they had amazing forts not 50k tanks

[@m3c4nyku43]

Finland lost and they sued for peace as soon as USSR broke through Mannerheim line and we're halfway towards Helsinki. Finland then became neutral and a bridge of cooperation between western countries and USSR, benefiting from both. Smart move tbh, unfortunately the Kiev leadership is not as smart.

[@Zomby_99]

You forgot one important thing for the 2 scenario. the ussr woudnt get support in that great nubbers from the allies because finland occupied murmansk. Most of the support came from this port also leningrad woud have fallen very fast because the ussr coudnt supply it that easy with out that extra land around that lake and i also think finland woud have joines the war to occupie lenningrad itself. Consider all these things and a axis victory is very likely

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

The USSR had already pushed the Germans back by the time most of the leased equipment had arrived. And I don’t doubt they could have found a different route for it.

[@user-jg6wz8tm4w]

Suggestion: what if sweden joined the winter war

[@rewriting-history]

I could do that, but not a lot would change, since Finland could win like they did in this scenario.

[@user-jg6wz8tm4w]

@@rewriting-history yeah but to be realistic, finland never had a chance to win, sweden joining would probably just be a boost

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

I think your underestimating Soviet technology of the time period a little bit here. There tanks did quite well throughout most of the war. It was just the initial lack of preparation that caused such heavy losses early on. Though personally I think the most useful tank of the war was the Sherman.

[@rewriting-history]

Not a bit fan of tanks or military tech at the time. As I grow, I will learn more and be able to make more accurate videos

[@realawesomeos]

pretty sure the main issue with the tanks was not sending them with infantry support, so they just got blown up

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

@@realawesomeos ye it was more a doctrine thing than a technology thing, the Soviets eventually did catch up and destroy the Germans by 1942. For about 75% of the war the Germans were on the defensive. The utter failure that was Kursk really shows just how bad off they were.

[@ChaffyExpert]

​@@rewriting-historyreally? The tanks are the coolest part of the war and arguably the only reason Germany succeeded as much as it did.

[@turkoositerapsidi]

Wasnt the thing that not all soviet tanks were made as good as they were supposed to be, to make them faster?

[@user-dc2cm1lv3w]

Suggestion:What if Bulgaria won second balkan war?

[@rewriting-history]

I will do this very soon! Stay tuned!

[@Nope77252]

Day 2 of asking what if the 2nd temple of Jerusalem wasn’t destroyed by the Roman’s when they conquered ancient Israel

[@rewriting-history]

I'll make it eventually don't worry

[@CalvinNoire]

What if, instead of Aragon, Castile United with Portugal instead? What will colonization look like? What will be the fate of the Iberian countries?

[@rewriting-history]

Nice! I will save this idea for later!

[@gengarzilla1685]

Now that's very interesting. I imagine that the independent Aragon would focus on influencing Mediterranean affairs while this Castilian-Portuguese Union does Spain's usual new world colonial stuff.

[@CalvinNoire]

@@gengarzilla1685 basically the Divergences of Darkness mod in Victoria 2.

[@marcuslo4836]

The PowerPoint style is kind of weird for me personally

[@rewriting-history]

It's not PowerPoint, what do you mean?

[@chickentenders1777]

Great video! Idea: what is Turks never migrated to anitolia/Azerbaijan

[@marsheillng_eagle]

Liked, cool.

[@lvckytaiko2.0]

In some parts of the video it felt like you just wanted the edeting to be over with. You moved the camera but the pictures for the map didn't moved. Like city names just moved in the map because you zoomed in and out.

[@rewriting-history]

It was a long video, I will try to improve this in the future

[@dylanhoeltzel]

1:47 actually the plan was to give germany to Lithuania and give the soviets more of poland, but that map shows what actually happened (besides finland)

[@00martoneniris86]

What if the first crusade was focused on Spain al Andalus Instead of the holy land Anatolia

[@rewriting-history]

I love it! Will do it soon!

[@Siegfriedclassical]

6:05 never knew you had such nice nails.

[@00martoneniris86]

What if Sweden and Romania joined the central powers?

[@rewriting-history]

I like it! I will do that for sure!

[@00martoneniris86]

Palpatine good good

[@cgyoboi]

Unrealistic for Romania to join the central powers, they joined the war to get Transylvania form Austria-Hungary. And they can't really be bribed like Italy was by the allies, because Russia didn't have a ton of land Romania wanted, the main goal was always Transylvania. It was like allace-loraine was to France

[@00martoneniris86]

Eh besarabia odesa It's called a what if for a reason

[@cgyoboi]

@@00martoneniris86 true, but it still should be grounded in reality. Bessarbia is just less valuable than Transylvania, and Odessa wasn't even Romanian, it was just given to Romania in WWII to compensate them for losing land to Hungary

[@NuclearBunker25]

Some will say that Finland fought in vain as they lost more land then the Soviets initially wanted. But they showed the Soviets that they won't just submit to them and they showed the world that you can fight against the Soviets.

[@josephstalin331]

Fun fact: Finland has never defeated Russia or Sweden in a war.

[@rewriting-history]

Huh that's interesting! Will look into it

[@mrhater123]

Finland has not been in war with Sweden

[@mrhater123]

Or Russia. Finland was in war with soviets 2 times. Only wars we had

[@nikoa97]

​@@mrhater123But the finns have.

[@nikoa97]

​@@mrhater123What about the wars before the independence and the civil wars?

[@chebzzzzzzzzzz]

I don't care about WW2! BIG FINLAND!!!!

[@1History_Matters1]

When is part 2 of Yugoslav series?

[@rewriting-history]

I'm thinking very soon, it was successful and I liked the video!

[@tomasdariuspaun7586]

What if, in a cursed timeline, not only did USSR protect romania's teritorial integrty but also allowed them to join the commintern as a monarchy?

[@BoredDomino]

I love these videos, could you make a video about what if the Prussian went for Großdeutschland instead of Kleindutschland? That would be awesome!

[@rewriting-history]

I will look into it for sure! No idea what this is, but I will read more

[@Lancista]

*_Uuum... what is going on here!? Finland actually Won the Winter War!_*

[@CapybaraKingg]

my suggestion is what if nobody won the Napoleonic wars

[@rewriting-history]

Nice! I will save it for later! Thanks for the suggestion!

[@Radowid_the_Redanian]

Finns have already won this war. They kept their state and independence. The Soviet Union did not implement the plan maximum, turning Finland into a Soviet republic, due to number of mistakes. Stalin’s military command was prepared badly for an offensive on Finland, the red army was still inexperienced and despite ongoing tremendous military build-up in the country the red army units still had a limited combat experience. And politically the Soviet Union wasn’t prepared either. Stalin’s leadership did not have a far-going plan for Finland: to turn it to a Soviet republic or just move the border from Leningrad. And the Finland had a wide support within the France and Britain, the countries which still could be a serious threat to the Soviet Union and could easily go to war with it, for example, by bombing Baku oil fields from their middle eastern bases or performing military operations in the Black Sea or Northern Russia. This war, de-facto, lead to political victory for Finland. It kept it’s independence and it kept its ability to implement independent inner and outer politics. The total victory for Soviet Union would be the achievement of plan maximum: turning Finland into a Soviet republic. The Soviet Union only achieved the limited goals with too large sacrifices and this can not be called a victory. The actions of Soviet Union in this war have modern parallels with Russian military operation in Ukraine: the government does not have clear goals and thus the military is not prepared properly. Russia can win any war, its tremendous military potential is even still capable of war with China or NATO, but the lack of preparations and political uncertainty in it’s government have a large history: the Crimian war, the Russo-Japanese war, First World War, Finnish war, invasion to Afghanistan. All of these went badly for Russia due to political uncertainty in the government. And when the government is strong, Russia gets it’s victories.

[@Lathnor]

In hoi4 as germany and capping the sovs as the german kaiserreich i always give finland all of karelia and pietari

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

Communists didn't win the election, social democrats did. There is a huge difference. Socialists often are half communist half capitalist. They often believe in welfare and private business's at the same time.

[@rewriting-history]

Ah yes I missed that. To be fair, there isn't a lot of information about this election online

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

@@rewriting-history Yeah that is true, i only know this because im finnish :P

[@ugbhffgg]

Can’t wait for this.

[@rewriting-history]

Hope you will like it!

[@ugbhffgg]

@@rewriting-history I probably will because I like your content, a lot.

[@Embersofthedark]

"oh wait your american and dont know what Celsius is" BRO...no need to call us out

[@victoralves5951]

suggestion:what if brazil was a superpower

[@rewriting-history]

I had this idea months ago, need to try it out already

[@victoralves5951]

@@rewriting-history cool! you will realase it when?

[@PurpleBroadcast]

Do you make content in bulgarian? If not, why not?

[@rewriting-history]

Not currently. I'm planning to create a platform where I will create content in Bulgarian regarding many topics. But this will happen after I have secured myself financially, right now I cannot afort it!

[@soudino2723]

What if the arabian peninsula united after ww1?

[@rewriting-history]

I will do a similar idea very soon!

[@birisuandrei1551]

What do you mean? Finland technically won the battle, but because they couldn't keep it up, they had to surrender on the best terms they could afford 😔... Losing only a fraction of the territory is much better than the entire country becoming a Soviet slave.

[@rewriting-history]

I would disagree. Finland didn't WIN the winter war, they just didn't LOSE it. If you know what I mean

[@AnonymousBesserwisser]

@@rewriting-history it was a stalemate. Neither side won.

[@birisuandrei1551]

@@rewriting-history same thing 😂...the glass is half empty or is it half full? ... I personally think it's a victory because the Soviets wanted only a small piece of land at first, but when the invasion started they we're planning to take the whole country over, they couldn't so that's a win.

[@birisuandrei1551]

@@AnonymousBesserwisser well it really depends, Russia gained territory so they "won" that, meanwhile Finland prevented a full takeover by doing so much damage to the Soviets so technically they "won" as well, it's a matter of perspective really.

[@AnonymousBesserwisser]

@@birisuandrei1551 Soviets wanted the whole country. They most likely would had continued to Sweden and Norway aswell if Finland had fallen. Finland lost roughly 10% of its land mass but maintained it's independency. You can't really call neither a winner in this one.

[@Joel-vw9mo]

In the seccond diversion the UK would send forces to support Finland by landing on the kola peninsula

[@Tom-jg9de]

Sinario: what if For some resion Cominist Getmany Unite Germany?

[@rewriting-history]

I will do something similar very soon, stay tuned!

[@BrittaKenulla]

We should get revenge and get the native lands back

[@oltzu5206]

Let me add here, the soviet union most likely wanted to annex the entire finland

[@robbstark3316]

Thank you for the “freedom units” as I am American.

[@rewriting-history]

You're welcome! I add them to all of my videos!

[@mr.originality1005]

What if Operation Unthinkable happened?

[@Nicholaskgaming]

What woulf happen? Oo oo! I know! Finland would would look pretty owning Karelia on the map 🥰🥰🥰

[@rewriting-history]

Exactly! This is the most important thing!

[@Tukeuvian]

ui juma (Finnish excitement)

[@rewriting-history]

let's gooo I'm glad to see you here

[@Finn_the_Cat]

Great video but one thing I have a gripe with is the peace deal you came up with, theres no way the soviets give up Murmansk it's simply too important being the best northen port they had and the main source of foreign aid during ww2 all the more important for Germany as they would block the baltic sea, I find the idea they would give land to lake onega to the finns I still think it's still not likely as showing that much weakness would most certainly cause the constituent states of the USSR to rise against them especially the people of Ukraine who had suffered under the holodomor. Especially because even if the finns can do damage short term the soviets have the long term advantage and will last longer than the finns, the best I can see is finland moves the karjalan isthmus border north to the mannerheim line but is not forced to destroy it, they keep the gulf of finland islands and some fairly minor territory concessions on Finlands eastern border but not much else

[@micahistory]

interesting idea, i never saw this covered before

[@rewriting-history]

That's my goal. To make scenarios that nobody else has covered before!

[@micahistory]

yes@@rewriting-history

[@prettysureidateyourmom5104]

Another day asking what if Kerensky profesional goverment negotiate peace with germany instead of Continuing the war

[@rewriting-history]

I will do it in a bit, I still have other ideas

[@McStinkersonIII]

What if Austria Hungary was made out of chocolate?

[@kianabbsi]

Hungary wiil not be hungry anymore

[@rewriting-history]

Oh no! It's starting in here too!

[@TheDarkCeratosaurus]

​@@rewriting-historyi remember watching your monaco video while eating chocolate pudding

[@User-GummyDrop]

There is absolutely 0 chance finland would give up the karelian isthmus, as it hold the Mannerhiem line. their best form of defense and their savior in the winter war. giving that up would most likely result in a later and succesful soviet invasion.

[@rewriting-history]

Then the war would never end. I have to draw a line somewhere for the sake of the video

[@User-GummyDrop]

@@rewriting-history it would also threathen viipuri directly. im not saying its highly unrealistic now but most likely finland would give up very minor lands. but nothing too close to the important finnish city

[@maksim05makarov]

There are only two options in which Finland wins the winter war: 1. Gorbachev was born earlier and came to power in the USSR in the 30s 2: Yeltsin is born earlier and comes to power in the USSR of the 30s

[@HaartieeTRUE]

10:30 the map's already wrong. Romania only joined the war on the axis side to take back basarabia.

[@euromissiles2877]

hyvää suomi

[@TaneliKakkavirta]

Do you mean what if finland won contunation war? Bcs finland wouldnt go this far if it would've been winterwar bcs there they were only defending and gaining lost provinces back..

[@r1prc]

Those GIFs almost made me kill myself, please don't use them in your next videos.

[@mongolian4511]

Suggestion: what if Romania didnt cede bessarabia

[@dankopatrik5579]

You make the red army sound like ret ardmy

[@Iter_fire_guy]

🔥

[@rewriting-history]

Appreciate it

[@austintheamerican3784]

What if the soviets did well in the winter war?

[@darth3911]

One of three things: 1- Finland is fully annexed like Estonia and Ukraine were. 2- Finland is made into a puppet state and loses land similar to what the Soviets did to Poland. 3- Exact same thing as if they did poorly expect Finland surrenders faster allowing the Soviets to better redeploy against Germany.

[@enzothedoggy]

i’d bet the stan nations would revolt again since stalin would get executed for refusing to surrender and leave moscow

[@rewriting-history]

I should have expanded it there too

[@enzothedoggy]

@@rewriting-history yeah, getting deep it could be very complicated with internal problems and the fact the kazakhs tried to revolt during WWI

[@DoShenManYan]

Well technically they won the war as long as it was defensive one and soviets had a target to capture Finland and they mostly failed in this case

[@darth3911]

Not quite the Soviet goal was to make a land buffer for Leningrad. Finland surrendered a lot of land which made that buffer in return for peace. This is called surrendering to a losing enemy who would be strategically advantageous to lose to on your own terms.

[@peete9582]

What if the western side managed to reach Berlin first

[@XXXfrostyXXX]

wat if finland losses more land than ever like a almost full annexation

[@marsheillng_eagle]

New sub from Vietnam 🇻🇳 Xin Chào 👋 Cool video Good What if Kaliningrad Oblast Became a 51st State of USA? 🇺🇸 kingstown? Sorry.

[@rewriting-history]

Hello from Bulgaria! I appreciate it. I like your idea, will save it for later!

[@marsheillng_eagle]

@@rewriting-history yay thank you You're from Bulgaria?, Cool nice. 🇻🇳🤝🇧🇬

[@shadowmane6528]

Is the border that from if finnland wins in hoi4

[@rewriting-history]

similar, but yeah

[@kingboss1279]

The question i have is what if Sweden joined Finland in the winter war?

[@jes3d]

very interesting video as a finn! well done some notes however; you used the russian karelian republic flag, which was only made in the 90's and is not a nationalist karelian flag, but more of a russian opression flag russia likely wouldnt give finland murmansk as it has no ties to finland, instead lands in east karelia like petrozadovsk also worth nothing; (you didnt get this wrong just mentioning it), the lands the soviets offered in the real timeline were pretty useless which was the reason it was denied, not strategically important at all and almost nobody lived there

[@rewriting-history]

Thank you for the further information! I really appreciate it and it improves my content greatly next time! I used the 90s Karelian flag, because there was nothing else to use to represent it visually

[@jes3d]

@@rewriting-history there's a nationalist karelian flag with a nordic cross on it, its extremely widely used for karelian nationalists :D (and has been for a long time i believe) no problem though!

[@Iter_fire_guy]

Good videoand scenario but the old memes are uh a bit out of place

[@rewriting-history]

I will work on it, thought it would be interesting

[@Iter_fire_guy]

@@rewriting-history k

[@maksim05makarov]

What if astrakhan campaign ended with the victory of the Ottomans ?

[@randomguy6152]

what if crassus conquered persia and the civil war went 3 ways