Rey's terrible very bad Lightsaber skills: Star Wars

Rey doesn't know how to fight with a lightsaber.
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[@colonelclank2422]

while i agree that her wide stance is a terrible stance to fight from. It is a common training stance used to amplify and teach hip alignment and how to properly position yourself to direct your line of force. However in a sword/lightsaber fight, it is totally useless, and just asking for you too kneecap yourself, get force kicked over, and then be cut into toasty little bits by your opponent.

[@ultimateo621]

That’s what I was thinking at that part of the video too.

[@geoffrogers7590]

I was about to say something similar. In kong fu it's called horse stance if anyone cares to know.

[@SpamMeGooglification]

She learned from Broom Stick - Lightsaber Boy.

[@colonelclank2422]

When I was 10 years old, using plastic tubes, I was a better lightsaber fighter than Rey. I was also better at grammar and spelling too.

[@JoseDorda]

In karate there is stance called kiba dachi that is similar to this, but it is also use to attack/defend from an opponent coming from the side.

[@masonlacour1982]

In short: whoever choreographed that fight, didn't.

[@jeremytrees7266]

830 likes and No comments?! That just changed.

[@kaoset1237]

The asian guy who did the choreography said that rey was a real life mary sue as a compliment. Maybe it is because he is shit at his job i bet

[@phantomkitten73]

@@kaoset1237: Fun fact, the Asian guy you speak of is Liang Yang; who was the brawler in the Mission Impossible: Fallout bathroom fight, and was a stuntman for Kingsman: The Secret Service. Clearly it's not the choreographers fault, it's the actors who don't know jack-shit about swordplay, and there was not enough time to teach them since nobody bothered before then. The people in costumes were clearly stalling since the actors missed their cue. A good stuntman has to be given something to work with to be good.

[@BalrogUdun]

Mason LaCour wait till you see the plot and writing.

[@Statalyzer]

I always thought Vader vs Luke in ROTJ had the best choreography. The prequels are flashing but people are continually leaving themselves exposed to easy kills/maims that the opponent fails to take advantage of.

[@andresarancio6696]

To be honest, when I watched Rey training I was like "Oh okay, they are doing the whole 'enthusiastic kid doing things wrong and trying to look cool' thingamajic and eventually Luke will come down and say 'you doof, you are doing it all wrong' and it will be cool and nice and heartwarming right" ...Nope. And even then I tried to justify it by going "Oh okay they will now show how clearly superior fighting Kylo is" Huh... Sort of... Nope Kudos to the guy that edited that dagger off though. Probably wasn't the case but I love the idea of someone while recording going "Sir, she ded if we don't take the dagger out"

[@SolarDragon007]

Andres Arancio Can't have "Muh Strong Female Character" have to learn anything from a man or be worse at anything than a man is.

[@RenlangRen]

You just don't understand the power of Mary-Sue-ju-jitsu! Only people with no practical training in anything can use it, but once they have mastered it they are teh bestest ever at everything!

[@johnbabylon7626]

Mary-Sue-jitsu. Yes... I will be stealing this ;)

[@gloriouscontent3538]

@@johnbabylon7626 Then you might get Mary Sued.

[@lordbiscuitthetossable5352]

I really like the OC. It really highlights what I felt was 8's fundamental problem, as much as I enjoyed some of the left wing plot twists (luke tossing the lightsaber? Could totally see him doing that given the stuff he's been through) but there was very little character progression I felt. Even Poe's arc of "becoming a leader" felt soulless because it wasn't his own crew that gave him crap; they just hired a well paid actress who's only real purpose was to be dislikable and well, everyone died. But we managed to cram the resistance in a falcon, so everythings cool, right? XD

[@booyahgenius]

Ngl, all Rey does is thrust, which leaves her open to easy enemy counterattacks and dirty jokes.

[@justsomeguywithaforeheadmu6209]

Lmao

[@FreebirthBoccara]

its like she had no formal training or something....

[@dextermceachern9408]

@@justsomeguywithaforeheadmu6209 I have seen your kind

[@e.m.p.3394]

It's true. Every time she fought it looked sloppy.

[@gryphonbotha1880]

@@FreebirthBoccara yet she never gets punished for the openings she leaves. Even the chosen one lost all his limbs for much smaller mistakes.

[@TheKulu42]

Rey goes through this routine. Luke watches carefully, ready to intervene with the force if necessary. She finishes. Rey: What do you think? Luke: Terrible. I had to save you three times. You fight like a drunken ewok.

[@ulfurgaming4268]

You fight like a drunk ewok got a chuckle out of me

[@RhyperiorRanger]

That’s not fair A drunken Ewok would do much better than Rey

[@Shrecks_swamp760]

​@@RhyperiorRanger true

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

I like to imagine some hungover ewok stumbles onto the scene ,grabs a lightsaber off the floor then goes beast mode and starts doing Yoda-level s#%#

[@TheKulu42]

@@Aaa-vp6ug Great! Rey has a practice run with an Ewok and loses!

[@Vivigreeny25]

2:36 Ashoka: *Sweats nervously* What I hate most about Rey, is th she doesn't even fight like a Jedi! Shes.... BARBARIC! They are CALM AND SKILLFUL PEACEKEEPERS. She looks like shes angrily swinging aroung A BAT. And emfasicise on on "angrily", the emotion the Jedi are explicitly against. And I can't even say she fights like a Sith, because even the Sith look less angry when they fight. Edit: Guys calm down-

[@stunner9005]

Rey is a Sith. She struck down Palpatine in anger. The Emperor won! Not only is the Skywalker line dead, but his decent has fallen to the dark side.

[@ProtectTheMoose]

@@stunner9005 She didn't strike down the emperor, she defended his attack which in turn reflected back and killed him, he basically kills himself...it's not that hard to see this.

[@pokehunter6467]

@@ProtectTheMoose Not really if you rewatch Palpatine stops shooting lightning as soon as Rey starts deflecting that's all from the lightsabers and Rey herself so yeah she did strike him down.

[@duanthomas4114]

Poke Hunter no she reflected his lightning it’s the same thing that mace windu did

[@medium-unit-onbreak]

@@duanthomas4114 "made windew"

[@Veloziraptor111]

In the words of Count Dooku: "such clumsy, unrefined swordsmanship."

[@MackeyBigBoy4014]

Veloziraptor111 I know that reference.

[@u.v.s.5583]

Twice the dagger, double the fail.

[@tiggs03]

Imagine how disgusted the count would be by her form though frl lmao

[@Beagslie76]

Imagine if she was actually trained...Dooku can shut up or send his force ghost to do it.

[@Hurrishane03]

Count Dooku would devastate Rey in a duel

[@Hyozon]

Luke: Please don’t use my lightsaber like that. Rey: hehe beam sword go voom voom

[@Slxppyjoints]

*Anakin skywalker has joined the chat*

[@actuallyrealdinosaurs4669]

AnotherOffice main characters are invincible at least in most movies

[@Hyozon]

Noonooga 000 A lot of those films add in either personal struggles or have them defeated in some way. Die Hard; a fantastic action film, always puts Mclane on the backfoot, beaten and at a disadvantage, struggling just to stay alive. Rocky always gets pummeled before rising back up. Sarah Connor needed to develop as a warrior to protect her son and the future. The Ghostbusters start out as bumbling Fools deatroying an entire hotel yetmanage to make it through to the end by risking it all. Neo gets bested by mr. Smith and Morpheus and needs trinity to save him from an agent. Brody needs a bigger boat because they underestimated the shark. In almost every martial arts movie the hero’s gets beaten, learns and overcomes. Superman struggles with the weight of his responsibilities on a regular basis. The best movies don’t make their heroes invincible, they make them overcome.

[@MrBloodshot]

Just imagine Rey vs Count Dooku, she'd get humiliated lol.

[@justleeguy9195]

She'd be humiliated against the younglings.

[@parrishthompson207]

NONONONO Your wrong, Disney would make her win.

[@andiargetlam2994]

@@parrishthompson207 sounds legit what Disney would do.

[@amarionm5675]

@@hockeycheck1224 Yo i already knew this but you should probably put up a spoiler warning for the end of the game and turn that entire part into a read more. No sense in being a dick and ruining it for those who haven’t finished it yet

[@amarionm5675]

@@hockeycheck1224 Nah no need to apologize man, just saving people the possible pain of being spoiled

[@pepekovallin]

The most impressive thing about this trilogy is the fact that they never accidentally killed themselves with their own lightsabers Actually it isn't, because when a lightsaber goes straight on Finn's back, and Kylo Ren's *face* they are like "it's nothing but a scratch"

[@LucasRibeiro-ds5rq]

Tinham q ser esses pebleus com premium...

[@makanievans4983]

Tis but a scratch

[@cartelia9931]

And why are lightsaber hits don't start fire?

[@quentincoetzee4313]

Personally, when I saw the Kylo Ren lightsaber (didn't watch the sequel trilogy, but saw the specific lightsaber in other videos), I thought (and still think somewhat) that the plasma crossguard is just asking for an accident to happen, especially in the form of self-severed wrists.

[@pepekovallin]

@@quentincoetzee4313 they probably saw that people liked darth maul and he had 2 plasma "blades", and thought they should create a new type of lightsaber for the villain, but never thought about how someone would use a lightsaber without Killing themselves, it's like creating an explosion device that will always somehow damage you if you don't do something specific

[@CelticGod220]

Shad never let's me down with technical terms like "stabby stabby"!

[@CyrusOfNaias]

Did you just type "let's" in there specifically to annoy English Nazis like me?

[@CelticGod220]

Cyrus the Acceptable I dont know what you mean. Haha don't forget spelling Nazis. I do want to be inclusive after all.

[@CyrusOfNaias]

**Squinting with concern**

[@EEYore-py1bf]

The Grammar Gestapo has been alerted.

[@plasmathunderdx]

hmm. I dare someone to say that in bed.

[@detectivegames7950]

5:55 this is how I feel about Disney Star Wars trilogy

[@lukeskywalker6639]

Ty sir, you healed my soul

[@detectivegames7950]

@@lukeskywalker6639 you are welcome, master Skywalker, it’s an honor for me

[@invayde7902]

@TYLER ZALKIN The abysmal choreography doesn’t help show off her acting skills either. Whoever was in charge of it should find a new job

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@invayde7902 rian was clearly in charge of the throne room scene. He not only doesn't care or know anything about the franchise or lore but he can't choreograph either.

[@projectpitchfork860]

I think it would be better if they just made the triology of the Thrawn Triology.

[@keggan519]

You could really tell during their “fight” with the new red guards that Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver were very uncomfortable with the movements, while the stuntmen playing the guards were experienced martial artists trying hard to make them look good.

[@ultimateo621]

Mac Mcnally I could see that. Why didn’t they just hire stunt doubles. Most of the shots were wide, it has the budget of well a Star Wars movie, and for the closeups they could just switch actors

[@ruanpingshan]

What's really frustrating is, it would make sense story-wise for both characters to suck at using lightsabers (maybe Kylo has never had to really use it since running away). The only problem is, we're supposed to believe that they're good at it.

[@SpamMeGooglification]

'cause she's a Mary Sue. She's perfect instantly.

[@joshuahadams]

First Last just like Luke.

[@carljohnsson7593]

Josh Adams same luke that got his ass handed to him by a tusken raider and vader?

[@nofear7691]

Disney basically just threw money at them and told them to act like they knew what they were doing. Rey just swings it around and only because that’s how Disney wanted it to be. It’s the same thing with kylo ren, he flailed it around like a five year old throwing a temper tantrum. They really didn’t try. it was just a huge cash grab that failed.

[@bluejacket4429]

He weilds his Saber like it weighs 500 pounds lol

[@imnotgoodwithusernames5715]

Didn't they say they stopped caring after the second movie or something

[@ShamanMcLamie]

Contrast that with Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor. They trained so hard that they impressed the editors so much they decided not to edit the speed of most of the fight. The two were choreography experts. 12 years later and Disney couldn't get the same out of their actors. I guess it doesn't help when production time is a year shorter.

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

Even I, a 16 year old who's never been in a fight nor has been trained in the art of sword combat, can do it better than her.

[@KakorineReal]

@@ShamanMcLamie they had people teach the actor for Rey and kylo ren about lightsaber moves

[@PearlHarbor1941]

Obi-wan: a fully trained Jedi master, defeated one of the most powerful force users, and honed in his force powers on tatooine for 16 years Anakin: trained as a Jedi since he was 9, was one of the most powerful force users ever, and trained under darth sidious for 16 years Luke: trained directly under yoda for upwards of a year, and has sky walker blood in his veins, oh and he destroyed the Death Star Rey: hehe main character go brrrrrr teehee lazer sword go vroom hehe Edit: even Luke, Anakin, and Obi-wan lost a majority of their fights, whereas Rey just wins every time

[@Adam-xf6sq]

Plz edit out “Luke has Skywalker blood” because people gonna say *“BuT rEy HAs pALpaTInE bLo0D”* But yea literally her second time holding the lightsaber and she defeats Kilo Ren.

[@nycolasgarcia2713]

bUt rEy-sueWaLkeR hAs the sEnATe blOod

[@kceresmatias]

most importantly, they lose, even being the most powerful beings and higly trained warriors. obi wan, one of the most powerful jedi, a master with a seat in the jedi council loses two times against dooku in movies, anakin, the chosen one lose against dooku and obi wan, luke against vader and sidious. dooku against anakin, sidious agains windu. now rey... beats kylo after a minute of knowing wtf a light saber was.

[@linuxjodi4311]

@@Adam-xf6sq nah, she's Rey Jamorey, after her ancestor, Ram Jamoram..😂

[@xHitroverx]

Disney decided to create plot armor ;(

[@Goblinhandler]

If Rey was actually affected by weapons She would’ve cut off her arms and head the moment she picked up a lightsaber

[@Ulvetann]

She is one of those that would look down the barrel with her finger on the trigger... -Porg-level intellect.

[@lcc2348]

Like how Luke had the front of the lightsaber pointed at his face when he first got it

[@Broockle]

@@lcc2348 why is it so easy for me to remember exactly that scene? ;D gives me anxiety thinking about it lol

[@lcc2348]

@@Broockle Probably because if he turned it on we wouldn't have any Star Wars

[@anagoljovic4657]

If only that happened then i would enjoy the sequel

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

"Honey, the neighbor is playing with a light saber and making weird noises again"

[@bman2cool4u68]

🤣

[@allenatienza3834]

Palpatine actually died because he was so tilted by Rey's lightsaber skills

[@deathkriegcommissar1972]

And I don’t blame him

[@denkikaminari3975]

Death from disappointment

[@anagoljovic4657]

No he died of jealesy from rey plot armour

[@eli3998]

no he died bc he knew he was related to someone with her skill level

[@robotplays346]

PALPATINE DIED WHEN DARTH VADER THREW HIM IN A HOLE! I DO NOT ACCEPT THE SHIT THE NEW MOVIES GIVE US

[@tolotos95]

Now we know why Luke decided to train her after this montage, even though he refused to at first: He saw her "swordsmanship" and thought to himself: "This is bullcrap! If I don't intervene now, nobody can save her!"

[@edvfya9922]

Rian Johnson: "These nerds expect a training montage with Luke, well won't they be delighted that their expectations were subverted yet again. I'll have her "train" BY HERSELF! Brilliant! This idea won't come back to haunt her, nope!" Seriously, a good amount of Mary Sue talk would've been knocked down quite a few pegs if she was trained by Luke. They didn't even have to show it! Even an extremely lazy single line saying shes been training with Luke would've helped SO much! They easily could've made the length of time she trained with Luke AMBIGUOUS, imagine that! At least then all the people defending Rey could say "Luke trained her! They didn't show it so who knows what crazy powers she could've learned! Its at least PLAUSIBLE that she learned all this insane shit because shes an amazing student or whatever." Ugh the writing was bungled so badly its really funny. I am sad to admit that I do feel bad for actual Star Wars fans, I really do, especially the hardcore ones who literally have to come up with justifications that aren't in the actual movie to give it the appearance of a movie that cares about its audience and that doesn't treat them like absolute morons. Sad to see millions of people's child like enthusiasm(not poking fun) get curb stomped by a soulless money hungry corporation who doesn't give two shits about what this franchise means to them. I'm kind of glad I never got as invested in Star Wars as they did because then I would be the one feeling all that rage and disappointment. Damn Disney you really fucking suck.

[@swoopstudios1104]

Disney turned Star Wars into a Feminist movie series. The men in the previous movies have had failures and faced defeat, yet a single woman with no experience succeeds in 99.9% of her trials. Sounds feminist to me. Disney has forever lost my respect because of the three attempts they had at a Star Wars movie

[@stevechacko6062]

Sure, the sequel trilogy is bad. But everything up till there is beautiful. If you really want to get invested watch the prequels and the animated show Star Wars The Clone Wars which is set between episodes 2&3. This bridges a lot of events that happen in that time as well as makes the prequels even better. It also introduces a better female Jedi main character other than Rey called Ahsoka who is Anakin's padawan.

[@fernandogajo8800]

@@swoopstudios1104 Disney Star Wars is to the Orginal Star Wars what Disney Feminism is to Real Feminism. It's good to point that out before you start blaming feminism on the ruin of Star wars... keep in mind Disney ruined feminism also.

[@maestromouse2578]

@@fernandogajo8800 True. The amount of damage they made on both fronts is just so baffling I'm really surprised they had the audacity to go on with the trilogy as it is.

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

@Haku infinite I mean tbh force healing has been a thing for a really long time and even implied in the movies(prequels) and honestly kinda intuitive. But that's healing not immortality. Also legit immortality was in legends aswell but old republic and alot of that was wiped out by bane

[@s.gilbertdyer8683]

I guess that is why she is the last jedi... She didn't live long enough to teach another.

[@shadfacts6465]

Shad Fact: Thanos' true goal was an attempt to kill Shad. Not even the Infinity Gauntlet can do this though.

[@robertkalinic335]

Imagine you are going to stab some wizard and your dagger dissapears, holy shit i am rather moving to warhammer universe.

[@Javlin95]

Robert Kalinič you better hurry. 40k has moved into a sort-of End Times thing, with key characters returning and lore moving forward. Also, don't talk about the Primaris.

[@corwinhyatt519]

Tamaris so 40K is still 40k.........

[@thechallenger752]

And somehow she beats those red guards and Kylo.

[@EmethMatthew]

You guys have seen the Reddit thread where they show how Kylo's moves against Luke are EXACTLY the same as these training moves she's doing...

[@thechallenger752]

EmethMatthew no, but that still doesn't explain how they beat those red guys.

[@aslakjacobsen1517]

Because feminism

[@friday6448]

Phoenix Crusader Kylo beats the majority of those gaurds and Rey struggled to get two. And she "beat" Kylo because he was injured from a blaster the film constantly reinforced was stupidly powerful

[@bobskywalker2707]

Scine Bamm she killed more than he did

[@uwotm8649]

Rey: Has bad character ark Garbage lightsaber skills The one time Star Wars has a main character be a female she sucks.

[@VasiliyOgniov]

*KOTOR 2 left the chat *

[@jesterftw1992]

Actualy if they made EU we could have a jedi Leia actualy but oh well sweet dreams

[@BD-uo9po]

Ashoka turned out to be great lol

[@SSJUnderDog]

B' D Ashoka was great but not a main character

[@thecoloradokid5418]

The same story with doctor who as well, it's all a load of shite really

[@ichangedmyaccountname2993]

I don’t even consider the sequels to be canon

[@yoursleepparalysisdemon3475]

Me too I re watched the original trilogy and made that same decision

[@halonutt1953]

Gus Laing same

[@factsoftheconfederacy7151]

Most don’t

[@vexan7435]

Gus Laing sequels isn’t cannon it’s not legend either, it’s bull crap

[@Old343]

Vexan no it’s not even that good to be bull crap

[@grayfox8942]

Don’t worry, in Rise of Skywalker her training gets worse

[@goofylizard151]

Gray Fox oh god

[@romanoazure2396]

Gray Fox spoiler fracking alert

[@gt800]

Romano Longakit please tell me you’re joking lol

[@isaccjake3480]

What do u mean she got better

[@libertyoung6205]

What training?

[@tSp289]

I always thought lightsabre fighting should look most like olympic fencing, since the blade is so destructive and shouldn't need any strength behind it, the speed and reach of fencing styles would work best. Best counter would be 'but it needs to be straight so it'd be awkward', up until Dooku got a curved sabre hilt, since Christopher Lee insisted.

[@darkwulf4862]

@@valandil7454 And yet that canted grip made his saber so perfect for a fencing style. Allowing for accurate stabs and thrusts without placing the wrist at akward angles. There is a reason Dooku was considered an unmatched lightsaber duelist. Anakin only beat him by duel wielding his and Obi-wan's sabers, and using brute-strength which is what anakin is best known for, to overwhelm Dooku's skillful deflects.

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

"So, that was the Disney trilogy. What did you think?? 5:55"

[@Cho0segoose]

LOOOL

[@danjohnson1568]

I love this mate

[@spongederp160]

Hahaha for me it would be a fart, but i'd follow through and shit my pants

[@Chuwie]

@@danjohnson1568 nice lmao

[@hasuwary]

Rey is clearly showcasing the "going on the toilet at a festival"-stance

[@filipnikitovic6717]

Robert Elfenbein Thank you for this

[@lonestoner8297]

So thats why snoke was so disappointed lol

[@djmay5588]

Lone Stoner Not that he could have done any better

[@darthplagueis13]

We don't know... I mean, he didn't really get to show it of. Am I the only one who is slightly annoyed btw that they built him up as the next big bad guy and sith lord to then straightaway murder him without providing any more information on who he might be?

[@kamakazilee6066]

Darthplagueis13 Yeah i think your right. People say he would have been just another Palpatine, but he's a completely different character. I think it was a wasted opportunity especially when you have the perfect actor working today playing him, Andy Serkis

[@Ephideltrance]

Darthplagueis13 you are not the only one. Wasted potential. I found Snoke more interesting than Kylo too and he was pretty funny without trying to be

[@teddycouch9306]

Darthplagueis13 Maybe they will pull a Palpatine and have him get resurrected in a new body

[@drewc5576]

I always assumed that that training montage was choreographed in that way specifically to highlight the fact that she had absolutely no idea what she was doing

[@pumkin610]

You're right, she needs guidance. She doesn't really improve but she still wins.

[@thegamingrepublic7014]

Yea, even like only knew forms one and three. Maybe Rey is stupid bad but uses the force to enhance her body to a point where it doesn’t matter.

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

You can think that, but choreographer implied differently. And was amazed by how the actress learned this supposedly great skill quicker than he could have ever imagined. Not sure why he is surprised, she's just swinging like a bat, not exactly hard to learn.

[@benjaminbierley2074]

@@thecensoredmuscle563 It was either A) she did learn the skills from the choreographer but they never "really" let her use it or B) the choreographer was saying that as part of the marketing hype to sell the movie. I'm honestly leaning toward A with maybe some B because the actress herself isn't bad her character was just poorly written and used like most every character and actor in the sequels.

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

@@benjaminbierley2074 daisy Ridley was badly cast. Mainly because she's very unathletic that she looks silly doing the stuff. Where as Driver looks a million times better and can actually follow the choreography correctly and look cool doing it. So it definitely is on Ridley for that. The writing was terrible, but so was Ridley. They should have had a stunt double for every single fighting and running scene if they wanted daisy Ridley.

[@hussar1681]

Oh wow, TLJ was so horrible and had so many problems that I genuinely gonna admit I haven't take notice nor thought much about her "training" nor the throne room fight. Those are kinda cherries on top, thank you for pointing them out Shad.

[@HyperGnome]

Also, that might just be me but: Overswinging.. with a lightsaber.... Isnt that grounds for self-beheading or at least severe burns ? Same, with holding the LS in hammer grip shit is dangerously close to your wrist, elbow and what not. Seems like a terrible idea.

[@KanaiIle]

I think lightsabers seriously need a handguard. A weapon that will maim you by the lightest touch needs a completely different approach than a steel sword does. I remember playing "Jedi Knight" 2 and 3 with the "realistic lightsaber" console command. You could chop up stormtroopers by just walking into them with the lightsaber held forward, not even an attack needed. However all the missions where you had allies were horrible because even just turning around could instakill them if you left your saber on. It´s a pretty good showcase of how deadly these things would be, not just to the target, but to the wielder and his surroundings. Also also, I´d say lightsabers would be friggin deadly as polearms. Just attach them to a long rod, its way less dangerous for the wielder but hell to overcome for an attacker because range advantage and the fact that even a light poke can end you. The light-spear wielder doesnt even have to reel back to thrust, just slightly move the arms and wrists.

[@Tairneanach]

During that scene I was half waiting for her to chop something off, and be it just a strand of hair, just to remind her that swinging that thing around wildly is a bad, bad idea.

[@SolarDragon007]

Don Kanaille Well the old Expanded Universe did have weapons similar to what you mentioned called "Light Pikes". The only problem I see is that the elongated shaft provides an easier target for slicing through than a normal Lightsaber. Then again, there are Lightsaber resistant metals as well so they could use those.

[@KanaiIle]

Well the idea would be to not have the enemy get close enough to slice the shaft. You can real a spear back quite handily if someody tries to get close, but before they can strike at your shaft they need to pass your blade. And even if they cut the shaft, that´s still preferable to having your arm cut off, which would be the alternative if something like this happens with a regular light saber (and we all know that is quite a frequent problem in Star Wars saber battles). An actual downside would be that your ability to deflect blaster shots would be limited because you cannot spin the blade arounds effectively, but in melee, I´d say its superior even if its just a wooden stick with a lightsaber stuck at the end.

[@rencaelum4396]

She only won against kylo through plot armour. He is vastly superior.

[@rhymeminister1984]

Garret Liones but he was shoot by Chewies god damn bowcaster

[@Hezigrimm]

@@rhymeminister1984 Darth Vader was burned alive, put into a suit that tortured him daily and barely kept him alive, and he had to constantly draw upon the force to sustain him. Vader then goes on missions to kill Jedi masters again and again. Yet here we are talking about how Kylo was so depleted by a little bowcaster shot that really makes no sense. Even if he was drawing upon the force to sustain him he should be far superior combatant, again I point to Darth Vader who had to do the same daily. Final point being that the Sith draw power from pain, suffering, and hatred.

[@rhymeminister1984]

Hezigrimm Kyle Ren also never fought anybody with a lightsaber besides Luke and that was barley anything

[@TheScarab117]

Nick Sward He was at Luke's Jedi academy you're telling me he never did any training fights there? He must have killed someone at the academy besides Luke for there to be no survivors. Unless you're telling me Kylo Ren was Luke's only student. And Snoke can move lightsabers around with the force and make apparitions. So Snoke could also train Kylo with lightsabers. Plus he had all those red gaurds that could spar with him, even if they don't use lightsabers per se they can still train him.

[@rhymeminister1984]

TheScarab117 I’m just trying to defend Kylo because he is probably the only good character in the new movies

[@keithc9289]

The old jedi mind trick...when you think you have 2 daggers but you only have 1. Ha ha ha

[@andrewdyjach7305]

Or mind tricked into forgetting about the dagger and just drops it.

[@acegilliam7696]

Or better yet mind tricked out of existence

[@BobafettFN]

She dropped it duh

[@sillygoose4460]

Bobafett FN2187 woooooosh

[@LawsCrown]

Silly Goose Keep reddit things on reddit

[@generalironbeak1200]

I would love to see Shad demolish Rey in a duel...

[@einkar4219]

With The Stick

[@noah4279]

Okay I think we can all agree that Ray is the Captain Marvel the Star Wars universe

[@voodoo_1_viper]

Honestly

[@fueledbypaintwater]

I'm sorry she has disgraced the jedi, master kenobi

[@dragonx3015]

In other news: The sun is not made of fire

[@jacoblordbanemastersithdes3072]

I am appalled of rey’s antics I’d kill her with one swhoop of my saber

[@fueledbypaintwater]

@@jacoblordbanemastersithdes3072 I'm not even trained and I could too.

[@cartooncrovo6878]

Anakin: I've trained since birth to fight with a lightsaber, lost my first duel to a sith lord but got revenge, fought my master and almost died, but redeemed myself years later Luke: Master Yoda trained me for a week or so but I learned mostly through my mistakes and with that perfected my lightsaber combat and saved my father Rey: I touched a lightsaber and ran away, I learned about the force yesterday, I mind tricked someone then I turned on a lightsaber for my first ever time and bet a sith that Luke Skywalker trained, I then bet Luke then Kylo again whist being able to lift 20 boulders all at once, finally, I made out with Kylo, killed the emperor and saved the galaxy See a difference? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok I've always hated people who edit their own comments but holy shi--snap is this my first ever comment that's gotten this far Also, I think I've started a comment war so--- yikes- but I agree with everyone who thinks the sequels are god damn awful

[@Azachor]

I see bad spelling, but you are forgiven.

[@jairomenares2089]

...the difference is that Rey got laid? Or that isn't what you meant by "made out"? Because that would be a huge difference.

[@srennelamirez643]

@@jairomenares2089 laid by ghosts?

[@cartooncrovo6878]

@@jairomenares2089 im referring to when they kissed

[@cartooncrovo6878]

@@Azachor shh.......

[@captaincarbuncle]

So there WAS a training montage in Last Jedi? I must have missed it.

[@iamacatperson7226]

Ye, it’s Rey making her lightsaber into the blade of a ceiling fan

[@Corrubris]

Be glad you did lol

[@bobbertbobby3975]

well...this video is a few years old now but..isnt this scene in this whole movie completely untrained...like hes talking mainly about when she was on the island and swinging lukes saber against the rock..isnt that like the FIRST time shes really swinging the saber around? And yes...the fight scene at the end of the movie wasnt great. but you also need to understand that fight scenes are cut together from many many different takes. So...thats partialy to blame.

[@isaiahaguilar3415]

Oooh. A breakdown of Kylo Ren' s fighting style/ stances. That would be rad to see. Especially with your expertise.

[@cameronworrall30]

It’s almost like she never had a lifetime of Jedi training...

[@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486]

It’s almost like it doesn’t make sense that she’s bad considering in the prior movie she was easily able to defeat someone who had been trained by both Luke Skywalker and Snoke, a hyper powerful force user, therefore making it so that she shouldn’t technically be bad, and yet the choreography is just terrible....

[@jamesrodwell9701]

5:55 is exactly what I think of the sequal trilogy

[@kianrodriguez4455]

Bro, you almost made spit out my water out of laughter 🤣🤣🤣

[@Bean-hm4ob]

LOL

[@Ahysoka]

Eobard Thawne Wow it’s eobard himself

[@Bean-hm4ob]

@@Ahysoka Yes, I'm interested in the Star Wars universe

[@Ahysoka]

Eobard Thawne damn, Ive watched the flash for 4 years now

[@МаксимГригорьев-ъ7ф]

5:55 disrespectful spit of disdain

[@ProtoPropski]

If you look at a text book, you should be able to find Rey's picture firmly placed alongside the term Mary Sue.

[@Felix-dh9tl]

Our kendo teacher said that overswinging is bad because we don’t play golf...

[@berkgokmen9766]

What's his name? I'm %100 sure I've heard that in a kendo semminar somewhere

[@Petaurista13]

And you use metal sword. For metal objects swing does something. Lightsaber cuts (or burns to be precise) through object with heat, not physical force so touching object is same effective as widest swing in history. Guillotine made from it would be same effective from any height (just little speed-build from gravity and handle weight). But lightsabers don't use kinetic force like normal swords so it's not like hitting somebody from above through 1 kilometer would do more damage than hiting him from 1 milimeter. It will do same dmg, just faster.

[@theepicolaf-gunther1389]

@@Petaurista13 exactly. A lightsaber has no weight and even gains no attack damage from swinging, so why do it?

[@alistercomins1806]

@@theepicolaf-gunther1389 actually lightsabers do have weight(for whatever reason) apparently they are kinda heavy , Darth bane receives a lightsaber from his master at one point that has no weight and notes this to be strange , however I do not know if thus remains canon so

[@theepicolaf-gunther1389]

@@alistercomins1806 I guess the hilt has decent weight, but the blade doesn't

[@andrepakulak2513]

My soul dies just thinking about the last jedi. Thats how bad that movie is on a whole

[@Titus13th]

poo monger on top of that, it doesn't matter if her sword skill sucks because she's a Wyman, she has to win otherwise it's sexist.

[@thorshammer7883]

Claus Exile [Woman nazi idealist detected] [MALFUNCTION] [MALFUNCTION] *Slowly turns into the angry Doomslayer*

[@ThatGenericPyro]

"Eh, she's learning" Also *wow* Snoke's guards suck, huh (Legit never noticed that disappearing dagger)

[@soggycatgirl]

"Is that a new force power, Rey can make weapons disappear" Oh god. If only you knew.

[@thx4chrckingin]

Where do you think she hid the saber when she was smuggling them across planets?

[@RandomPerson-cm2wg]

She must have a really deep and smelly Pocket

[@connordervoncyberlifegesen8529]

Random Person called a vagina!

[@MilkT0ast]

I think Rey put her stats into luck, that's y the dude just straight up missed her, and the 2nd dagger got deleted from existence.

[@pumkin610]

That's not luck thats mare ay sueeee

[@MilkT0ast]

@@pumkin610 MAAAA REEEYYYYYY SOoooOooooOOO!

[@obliviouz]

There's just no care put into the new Star Wars movies, it's actually sad. No, scratch that - there's a lot of care put into the *ideology* of the movie. Just not the realism or plot or any other aspect of it. It's basically a hollow ideological vehicle... which makes a lot of sense in retrospect.

[@obliviouz]

>"Have you ever watched any movie of it?" I have, and I bet I understood them better than you did too.

[@beargamer155]

obliviouz basically failing to convey the message of feminism which is not needed anymore

[@AzazelZaphorOmega]

Just like the prequels being a hollow ideological vehicle for anti-war hippies...What's your point?

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@beargamer155 Actually, feminism is always welcome. Nonetheless, it's done way better with Studio Ghibli.

[@Krystalmyth]

@@jeffreygao3956 Star Trek

[@ralliedcookies4403]

Rey looks like my little cousin trying to be cool with a lightsaber

[@MatJan86]

Holy crap Shad I have not noticed that dagger :D thx

[@alexh3974]

no one did it seems

[@rayshiotile9487]

some one noticed it or it wouldent have vanished

[@barret-xiii]

Bless the editors who did their absolute best to try and make that turd of a training exercise look even slightly interesting.

[@michaelfish35]

When TFA came out I went and saw it. I left that movie and told my buddy "you and i could go out in the woods, grab a couple of sticks, and have a fight and it would be better than that" and I haven't been back since

[@Blitzed_city]

Ray's saber skills are just bad as the movie itself.

[@nathanjora7627]

I thorouhgly disagree. This film is, like all the best films in the world, more than the sum of its part. In this case, it's worst than any individual part is bad.

[@The_Curious_Cat]

@@nathanjora7627 It´s one of those cases that it´s so bad that it´s really really bad and nothing can make it good because it´s just soooooo bad.

[@nathanjora7627]

@@The_Curious_Cat I like to call that "fractal badness". But I do think it's possible to make it far better with only slight alterations. Make Rey lose her duel with Ren, and not being able to read his mind, just be able to resist his probe. Make Ren have a good reason to take only Rey rather than the robot, make Solo have a good way to bypass the planetary shield, get rid of Poe, since he's useless in the movie and his absence during the movie is a plothole of gargantuesque proportions, have Y bomber attack the First Order's weapon, and with only that, you have a far superior movie. Well, maybe not good, but it's definitely better. Of course, to make it good, you'd have to change the environments to be more imaginative, you'd have to put more thought in the McGuffin (cause it's stupid),and more thought into what the First Order's plan is, you'd have to show the republic, or at least to give a good reason as to why you don't show it (like, for example, the Resistance being IN the first Order territory, rather than a nebulous emanation of the New Republic), you'd have to define the setting more clearly, to show that Solo and Leia aren't the same a in Ep IV, and preferably not the same as in ep V and VI either, you'd have to get rid of Anakin's lightsaber, and more generally to have an actual idea about what is it you want to make and tell with your new saga, and what's coming next, two things Abraham didn't have.

[@nathanjora7627]

@dark meat Well, yeah, the SFX are good, but that's the bare minimum we can expect from a blockbuster, especially Star Wars. The film is not bad because of bad sfx, and I think that you'd really have to have extremely bad sfx for a movie to be bad "because" of his sfx, to be honest. With a better scenario, I would've gladly watched and rewatch SW VII even with bad SFX, even with 1980's level of "bad" sfx (as in "sfx that we aren't accustomed to nowadays and that are inferior in almost any respect to even SW III's sfx").

[@oldschool3424]

Adolf bleacher Whoop there it is

[@szczoteczka2233]

I understand that they are using lightsabers in swordfighting and not like fencing, but i have no idea what the hell Rey was doing...

[@chazzerine7650]

I imagine Rey doing her dash strike she did at the start of her engagement with Kylo Ren in the Force Awakens against Greivous.

[@puffpuffpassmako]

Galen actually held his lightsaber blade behind him like Rey, however it was not used to fight. He didn't want to turn off his sabers in combat in case anyone tried to sneak up behind him or he was abushed. That way he was always prepared and wouldn't have to worry about taking time to turn his sabers back on. And when he ran, he wouldn't have the blades hit his face. So it was safer for him to hold them behind him when not in combat

[@MrJesus8899]

I’m not a serious sword fighter although me and my cousin have been doing duels with sticks for years I won’t pretend to be someone with a very serious knowledge of sword fighting and just from my experience and what I’ve seen Rey is just… ahhhh…. Just no

[@dirkwalker9686]

Director: Hmm Rey lost the fight. She got stabbed in the back and now she's dead.... We'll fix it in post.

[@demdoughnuts3882]

I love how part of this is even in rebels. When Kanen is teaching the madalorian to use the darksaber. (Ps I forget names so don't judge those spellings). I mean. It's not like Disney had 7 forms of lightsaber fighting and tons of films, TV shows and books to source the lightsaber techniques from. Oh wait....

[@demdoughnuts3882]

@@rogeliorocha7221 yeah kylo since he was taught by Luke, also Disney's version of Luke is dumb. Luke is meant to be a great hero, he wouldn't be like this, they destroyed him and Mark knows just as well as the rest of us, it breaks my heart to see his disappointment. But do remember that the first form is the basics of fighting with the blade, with the simple techniques THat lUkE pICkS Up WhEN PrACtIcINg AgaInST ThE bOT on Hans ship. It's so simple because ITs NaTuRAl and the baseball bat swings are NOT NATURAL WHEN YOU HAVE A LIGHTSABER THAT COULD INSTANTLY TAKE A LIMB BEING WILDLY SWUNG BEHIND YOU. Also when I said that they could use existing forms they could also have given thought to how beginners naturally use an "elegant" weapon, how the fighting techniques progressed. Btw the annoyance isn't for you nw it's directed at Disney. For more watch the video: "Disney doesn't understand lightsabers" 😂 it's beautiful.

[@kristoffereberius2476]

Rey is not a jedi, she wasnt taught force skills. Luke doesnt train her intensively. Using training stance is a weak way to tear down a fighting style. Its like showing an mma fighter doing pushups and saying that doesnt work in a real fight. Kylo is trained and the only person Rey fights and beats, or holds her own, kylo has a strong mental connection to her and kylo himself was never properly trained. Just because they dont spend ages on training montages doesnt mean it didnt happen, luke between empire and return improved immensly. The jedi are not the main powers of the new movies anyway :(

[@m.poppins4843]

@@kristoffereberius2476 Not trying to defend Rey, but Im not sure Kylo wanted to kill her before the end of the throne fight. Anyway I wish they could redo EP8 so we can all forget about this piece of shit

[@kristoffereberius2476]

@Sam Woodworm Luke is the last jedi and is now the pivot between the dark and light...no more jedi after the last so he never intended to train Rey and Kylo to be jedi just opposing forces he can deal with

[@demdoughnuts3882]

@@kristoffereberius2476 over committing isn't a stance mistake... I'm using the part from rebels so if you don't get the comment don't act like you do, if you wanna discuss it be sure you know what you're talking about. Also bro it's more like watching a fighter do 'bad' pushups and exercises for strength that they have clearly not made them stronger. The results then show in the throne room scene tell you all. But then again, Kylo loves to stab the floor so I guess neither of them need much of a skill level to oppose each other. It's literally kids running around with their parents toys. (Mark)

[@therustedshank9995]

This is what Star Wars has become now that Disney has corrupted it.

[@cookiecaptain5006]

I know it is sad

[@soundshockyeet8039]

A lot of people ask, "What form does Rey use?" I have finally figured it out... Form B: Baseball Bat

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@soundshockyeet8039 its not a joke. She's actually that bad that your theory is plausible.

[@notmyrealname6168]

@@soundshockyeet8039 Or... hear me out... B for bad?

[@kyosilver1999]

I would personally call that the more rare form of Drunken Neanderthal, but that's me.

[@e6026]

@@kyosilver1999 Nah, the Neanderthal know the way of the monke, so even their form can easily beat Rey.

[@Valsorayu]

@@e6026 Neanderthals also knew how to use melee weapons, Rey doesn't.

[@ramirogalletti]

have you though of making a video on "lightsaber forms"? there are 7* styles, with advantages and disadvantages. it coud be fun to analize them

[@marlkarx9853]

The whole training montage looks like you gave a little kid a long stick to let him play with it

[@Schimml0rd]

THIS!

[@ironic3871]

IS

[@sapateirovalentin348]

SPARTAAAAA!!!!!!!

[@robertdevito5001]

They even incorporated feints into the prequels, Obi Wan feints against Darth Maul and Qui Gon tries to attack immediately when Darth Maul goes to block against Obi Wan.

[@sammydray5919]

Also...... wasn't an ACTUAL trainer brought in to teach Daisy for those scenes???...... Yikes 😨😨😨😨

[@Hezigrimm]

They should have pulled trainers from the prequels and had a camp to train the current actors. The results would have been far superior to what it is now.

[@stlchucko]

The “trainers” (choreographers) praises her for “learning everything in a hour”. Because apparently even Daisy Ridley is a Mary Sue.

[@sammydray5919]

@@stlchucko Yeah I remember that from E;R review. Apparently she learned a 3 day regimen in just an hour and a half........ or something like that...... yikes 😅

[@stlchucko]

Sammy Dray Right??? I saw that before the movie, and instantly thought “this is not going to bode well”.

[@jasonleejames_official]

They designed the fight scenes to be so simple someone with no sword training could perform them with ... you guessed it no training.

[@Schnee7929]

There are 7 lightsaber stances and Rey uses NONE OF THEM!!! Pretty sure Disney just said "Meh just swing it around a lil' bit. Fuck the lore"

[@dmon_isawesome5289]

2:55 stabby stabby just made my day

[@petrikokko1441]

Bravo! I have an interest in historical sword fighting and I'm very glad somebody knowledgable brings this up concerning lightsabers.

[@nathanbrown8196]

His points on her lack of skill are very well established but they come from a perspective based off of historical martial arts. Regarding full-on baseball bats swings and there use in canon, power swings were a great way to push past an opponents defensive guard via impact force, even going to far as to knock an opponents weapon into its user. Regarding the reverse grip in Star Wars. A lightsabers omnidirectional cutting ability means that you don't need to swing it. In fact a reverse grip gives you a stronger defense against lighter strikes and is the reason why it's implemented in Jar-kai (I think it's what its called) When dual wielding. When you get in close you can simply push the weapon (lightsaber) into an opponent rather then have to swing. However blocking with reverse grip gets harder the further away from the hilt you are. Which is why most sabers that are used in reverse grip are Shoto-sabers. Or short sword/ dagger length cutting edges. If he took the time to read about the styles. And the lightsaber itself rather than relying on the movies, he would have a greater amount of understanding when picking apart the Star Wars fighting and lightsaber use. But yes Rey is actually absolutely terrible at fighting with a lightsaber. But in her defense she was not properly trained in lightsaber combat despite whatever that short training montage shows. Her experience comes from using a very heavy staff for years.

[@petrikokko1441]

You base your view on Star Wars Canon and this is about the Lightsaber as a bladed weapon. Any bladed weapon is best used according to it's qualities which is what this video is about and theory about a theoretical weapon is rather pointless. Of course you can quantify these qualities and make comparisons where the theoretical qualities are weighed in but is that what we really find in the Star Wars Canon literature or is it worthless as a true if theoretical examplar? The basis for any weapon, even a knife, with a edged blade or any blade at all capable of cutting is the cut and thrust.

[@nathanbrown8196]

Petri Kokko You make a valid point. True I'm basing my opinions on canon for a fictional universe. But I am also only referencing the practical applications of the weapon as it's described. You'll note that I didn't use any references to the force or Force powers. In a weapon where all or most of the weight is focused near the hilt, getting hit with a heavy swing will knock the weapon into you. When receiving a heavy blow, at least as far as I am aware in martial practice, you sync with the force of the blow ala impact breathing for martial arts, or moving with the impact of a sword or staff. All I was bringing up was the concept of a heavy swing into a weapon that will have a tremendous amount of give based on the functional aspects of a fantasy weapon. I would also like to point out that the fantasy weapon is an omnidirectional cutting tool which means it cuts in all directions regardless of how it is applied. As such a weapon that can cut in all directions with relative ease can be pushed into a Target rather than needing to be swung. A tremendous Advantage when up close especially when using a reverse grip depending on length. All of my references to anything related to lightsaber fights will always be on the more practical end of the spectrum and less on the Fantastical elements, which should at the very least in my opinion allow it to carry a little more weight. If any of that sounded reasonable to you, then I invite you to from a practical standpoint, refute what I have said.

[@petrikokko1441]

Forgive me if I gave such an impression but my interest is not to refute but to bring up points that may enlighten both of us in discussion. It is a fact that broken wrists and having to drop the weapon temporarily to avoid that was very much part of the practical use. You never see it in Hollywood productions but the sword knot was there for use and used it was as either you loosen your grip with possible drop of your weapon or break your wrist which effectively decommissions you. It has nothing to with the mass of the defending weapon but the energy transferred from impact. Even a omnidirectional blade can only cut in the direction it is moved. It is still the old cut and thrust no matter how much more efficient it is compared to other blades. What follows is that it still abides to the same basic scheme of movements necessary to effectively yield it. I'm pure theory in this matter but I took time to learn something since I acquired a 18th century sword and investigated the marks of wear on it. They do indeed correspond to the text books concerning use of such a type of sword so either it saw battle or duel. You mention "pushed into target" which is what is called thrust. All bladed weapons are capable of this to varying degree whereas all bladed weapons are not suited for cutting. This is because all swords are in a way glorified sticks with reach as their primary purpose. Essentially thrust is the typical purposeful move. It is very difficult to ensure disabling effect from a cut but usually when you get a thrust in, it will have greater effect. After all the aim is to disable an opponent trying to do the same to you. Lightsabers are of course part and parcel of the Star Wars universe but their wielding should follow the same rules, with adaption to their differences, as all swords as it is a question of physics and human physique. I agree with the video that the direction concerning the use of lightsabers in the Star Wars films etc. is sloppy, unrealistic and only out for effect. Of course in a fantasy world this is acceptable but it could have been done a bit more realistic without sacrificing dramatic effect.

[@nathanbrown8196]

Petri Kokko Interesting. I don't have anything as useful as an actual sword to compare to. However, if I may make one correction. When I say "push" I do not mean "thrust". It's more akin to a billy club being used to hold back a protestor. It true omnidirectional cutting still functions like any other cutting. But when referencing a weapon like the lightsaber if you're going to compare it two real world fighting I feel it's important to keep the concession of "ease of cutting potential" in mind. This wheel's me back to the original statement I had agreeing with shad that Rey's posture, and training technique is laughable. But the use of full-on power swings and reverse grip with a weapon like a lightsaber has practical uses. And has been implemented into Star Wars' version of martial arts. Which for a lightsaber there are 7. A lot of the points he brings up in the video, have actually been addressed in the series which is the point I was trying to make. This was a very informative comment thread but I think we derailed from the original topic. Are you a HEMA enthusiast? I haven't looked at Hema much as I favor the fantastical aspect of fighting as it's portrayed. I've learned quite a bit from watching Shad's videos however. Yet, the Star Wars themed ones aren't presented in a way that says "he understands the material present in the video that is not directly related to HEMA." One such point is the shortcomings present in the movie fights and the practical/ impractical techniques used. As well as the best way to use a weapon that, from how his reasoning is presented, he hasn't fully researched from a practicality point of view. His reasoning is sound and comes from a background that fully shows his expertise in sword fighting. But his knowledge of the universe he is critiquing doesn't appear to be as extensive.

[@alexanderparra9271]

Prequels better than sequels

[@weetardedcat2112]

I think jarjar has more redeeming qualities than rey.

[@かそくかげ]

What's this? An absolute?

[@charlottewalnut3118]

Kage Kasoku Hey sometimes the Sith all right

[@Quicksilver_Cookie]

Looking now in retrospect, compared to a dumpster fire Disney have been putting out - prequels aren't all that bad.

[@terrypennington2519]

@BOI Granted episode 7 wasn't that good, but imo it wasn't terrible either. But 8 was just no, no, NO.

[@dodohateswater]

Well yeah, she taught herself how to use a staff/saber. It was about survival not refinement...

[@daphilakadong9914]

Him: Have you ever seen anyone use an underarm grip? Me: **looks at Ahsoka**

[@martiatact6306]

Her and starkille #makeStarkillercanon

[@bidenistechnicallyadictato738]

*Both garbage Non-Canon characters, just like Rey.*

[@blinkachu05]

@@bidenistechnicallyadictato738 what are you talking about? Starkiller is pretty good, and Ahsoka is both Canon AND is one of the best female Jedi characters, if not one of the best characters to come from the Clone Wars.

[@alvaroabreu4518]

@@bidenistechnicallyadictato738 actually ahsoka is cannon

[@anaverastica9314]

@@bidenistechnicallyadictato738 Idk what you're talking about, Ashoka is actually pretty good, but only in the later seasons

[@Itsfuckingtoxin]

Calling her a jedi is a loooooong stretch man 👀

[@tardarsauce1842]

If Rey encountered Count Dooku, he would be so digusted at Rey's skills he won't even challenge her anymore

[@jackalsmalls4995]

Hed just ragdoll her with a force choke.

[@bryanwoo8415]

He would just "puny god" her

[@pedroivog.s.6870]

Rey Skywalker, I was expecting that someone with such reputation would be a little... more skilled

[@ryanangelastro504]

If I saw Rey’s skills, I’d probably say, “you’re not even worth the effort, kid.”

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

Kylo is much better, yet the guy turns into an idiot and forgets how to fight everytime the guy faces rey. Lol

[@galexeqe]

"An apprentice that trains themself has a fool for a master" Old jedi saying

[@moodylad2033]

So what your implying is that Luke is a fool? Have you watched the movies and Luke being a master and training padawans? Or Is it that your defending episode 8 which is a disaster and a catastrophe? I have so many questions, and please dont take it as I'd I nudging you or hating on you I just wanna know. : )

[@tylercalabrese1101]

Disney made Luke a fool

[@jtwattsmusic]

@@moodylad2033 But Luke didn't train himself... I don't know what you mean

[@NinjaAO42]

I mean at this point Rey might as well be Grand Master

[@DawnfireGalinndan]

@@moodylad2033 This saying actually has two meanings, and I would argue that both of them are applicable to The Last Jedi. "An apprentice that trains themself has a fool for a master" Meaning 1 (Face Value): The Apprentice has a Master who has been designated to train them in their art, and that Master is a fool. In this case, the Master is doing such a poor job at the training that the Apprentice feels they have to take the training into their own hands. If the Master knows about this self-training, and they do nothing about it, the Master is an even bigger fool because they are allowing the Apprentice the opportunity to learn everything wrong. In "The Last Jedi", Luke refuses to train Rey. She came to him with some expectation of being trained in the Force with him as her Master. She makes it abundantly clear that she will continue to train with or without him. He still refuses, and even goes so far as to send her away entirely. He refuses to train her, knowing she will only end up getting hurt, and his attempts at dissuading her from pursuing the path are mediocre dad-with-anger-issues at best. His failure to either train her safely or convince her of the dangers she will face trying to do it alone points to Luke being, in a real sense, a Fool. Meaning 2 (Jedi Word Play): The Apprentice does not have another person to be their Master. They train themself, and thus become their own Master. Master and Apprentice are the same person, and that person is a fool. This meaning points blame at the Apprentice. For one reason or another, they decide that practicing, training, and learning the art by themself is better than being guided by one with knowledge and experience. This opens their training up to many flaws, ineffective methods, and (in the case of learning to use a light saber) serious risk to life and limb. Only a fool would seek to learn everything themself from scratch rather than find someone who can teach them. And here we see that the saying applies to Rey to a T. She is reckless, and impulsive, and in many ways a horrible student. She is so desperate in her pursuit of meaning, of training, that she doesn't even blink at the idea of running away to train with Kylo Ren, who models himself after one of the most feared murder-machines the galaxy has ever seen. Rey is many things. Anti-social. Abandoned. Closed off. Protected by Plot Armor. But above all, she is a fool. So, while the usage of the saying is generally pointed more towards one than the other, this particular usage applies with equal strength to both the Apprentice and the Master. They are both fools. And the Last Jedi was a bad movie.

[@ericswinson3719]

Obi-Wan: *uses lightsaber defensively, waits for flaw in opponent's offense* Anakin: *uses lightsaber offensively, maintaining a constant attack to overwhelm the enemy* Yoda: *flips everywhere and jumps off walls to attack enemy from blind spot* Rey: *baseball bat*

[@dermoc359]

Yoda is the base ball

[@averyniceguy3964]

@@dermoc359 you missed the point its a light saber but it can burn straight trough your head

[@dermoc359]

@@averyniceguy3964 I think you missed my joke there lol

[@dermoc359]

@@averyniceguy3964 And i understand the point

[@davidcaldwell6651]

id take the baseball bat over Rey anytime

[@carmeloedwards329]

Rey: AAAAAAAAAAAAAH Kylo: (why is she throwing herself at me, does she think this is effective?) Kylo: you need a teacher Rey: I'LL NEVER JOIN THE DARK SIDE Kylo: no you need training in general

[@rango962]

Same counts for him he is also very bad

[@snuker650]

@@rango962 yeah his fighting is also wack. Especially since he trained with Luke for a good amount of time before he turned to the dark side. The whole sequel trilogy is just so bad that I wish that they scratch it off the surface of the earth and let dave filoni and george lucas take over again.

[@arctixanarchy8908]

Johannes Rummel no he’s super experienced

[@arctixanarchy8908]

Awad Ihmud no that’s a common misconception that kylo is bad a fighting but he’s actually extremely skilled

[@snuker650]

@@arctixanarchy8908 oh I bet he is really skilled. I just don't like the way they portrayed him against rey. He lost to her every time. In the prequels, Anakin loses to dooku in episode 2 and beats him in episode 3. In the originals, like loses to vader in episode 5 and beats him in episode 6. In the sequels rey beats kylo every time. Like if she bested him in the episode 9 and the im episode 7 and 8 she lost but was saved then that would be a better story ark for her. The fact that they portrayed rey as an already experienced fighter without any training and more powerful than someone who trained most his life is so dumb. That's one of the main reasons why I didn't like the sequels. They made Rey OP, Kylo look like an amateur and luke as a scared hermit.

[@zouly7817]

‘’Rey has terrible lightsaber skills’’ Ah yes, and the floor is made of floor.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Apply hot water to burn

[@nicolasleal5644]

People die when they are killed.

[@KDKsuper5353]

Rey's lightsaber skills are terrible Every minute 60 seconds passes in Africa

[@Dallas_strong82]

The floor is made of floor

[@dgoingbacktoarguementstosa364]

Earth is Round

[@omegon2540]

Spinning is a good trick

[@tiendungle2465]

1+1=2

[@disaffectedmale]

And most of it is their own fault....

[@enethion]

"Your technique is raw, and your lightsaber is a play-thing." ~~ Count Dooku in SW:Battlefront 2 (2017) when he's facing Rey in MP.

[@iamacatperson7226]

He has a point

[@kailaine3974]

he spits facts like nobody's business

[@markielarkie6288]

Technique*

[@enethion]

@@markielarkie6288 Thanks :)

[@teutonictobacco3545]

He was supposed to a really good dueling

[@adolphopalacios6731]

There should be a movie for rey Star Wars: A Lost Hope

[@pladimir_vutin]

halt's maul!

[@Aimless_Guy]

Oof

[@UnknownUser-fr5yz]

Amir Bahrami 😂

[@hashy7529]

KENOBIIIIIII

[@gabrielmutombo7078]

That show have been the title for episode IX

[@catxborsuq1]

Me reading the title: Rey's terrible- I'M IN!

[@darthabhinav]

"Is that a new force power? Can Rey make weapons disappear?" Well, that aged well.

[@kermysama4975]

Lmaooo

[@FranzFerdinandVIII]

*Only the Finest Wines can age this flawless!* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Broockle]

o... ye. Would be funny if someone made a short where mid battle Kylo just receives the red plasma dagger into his hand and he's all like "Neat!" and goes stabbing away.

[@anagoljovic4657]

She has force power that is called force armour

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

Tadaaaaa, it’s gone!

[@little_isalina]

And this is why you don't dualwield in a real fight. The one time you will really be able to capitalize on your off-hand weapon, it will just disappear.

[@jaylynabrams9564]

Threeshades you can dual wield in a fight, but your off hand weapon is usually parrying device. People use short swords or daggers as off hand weapons. In fact there were many dual wielding duelists during the Renaissance period. And there are plenty of manuals on how to properly dual wield. The trick is that you can't use two weapons of the same length, one has to be significantly shorter.

[@dairoleon2682]

I know, right? He should have stuck with the double-bladed weapon he started with. Everyone knows that the best thing to do with an energy weapon is to have BOTH ENDS be the "business end".

[@little_isalina]

Jaylyn Abrams, All that won't help you when your offhand weapon just spontaneously ceases to exist.

[@dairoleon2682]

I think he missed that part. Jaylyn, the OP was a joke made about the guard's weapon being edited out of his hand so he couldn't brutally murder Rey as he would have had leisure to if he still had it.

[@histguy101]

Rey saw it in the corner of her eye and used "force arthritis" on his hand. He dropped the knife immediately.

[@Darkghoul07]

She's so overpowered that the fight gets reworked when she's about to lose.

[@brettpaulsen1537]

That's what happens when you take the Lucky feat

[@faelock12]

That’s what the universe does around a Mary Sue The laws of the universe bend around Ma-Rey Sue

[@jinpachibobochan3532]

Maybe she has the power of reality manipulation! :O

[@otbaht]

@@brettpaulsen1537 yeah but the lucky feat is just a reroll not a remove weapon from existance >

[@JarieSuicune]

@@otbaht She did. They had to reroll at that moment whether or not they had a dagger in their hand and got a nat 1. They're lucky they didn't just stab themselves with the other dagger for her!

[@master_of_tesco9388]

Rey fights like a 3 year old who found a stick on the sidewalk

[@matthewsimon6170]

Somehow worse actually.

[@jeversongabrian8774]

Underrated

[@Nav20755]

I'm actually dying 😂😂😂

[@bagelhux8831]

Nah they can fight better than her

[@dadofgfuel3581]

*that moment you realize that’s practically exactly what happened*

[@rexosaurus3610]

If I'm not mistaken, the prequels lightsaber fighting was taught by martial arts where the sequels were taught by, *sigh*... dance instructors

[@musalamalmahri253]

So THAT'S why everyone's flipping

[@elijahhernandez906]

The guy who played Darth maul is a martial artist.

[@professorbraindead2951]

Next trilogy: Fights are now choreographed by Yoga instructors

[@adudewithabetsyrossflag8125]

I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief...

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

so kylo is the dark lord of the dance

[@hfoslayer6195]

Martial arts choreographer: Director: Just swing around to make it look cool. Choreographer: wasn't I hired for this bit?

[@chasm671]

Director: Are you questioning me? You must be a Russian bot! #BelieveWomen Choreographer: What? I'm not Russian, and you're not a woman! Director: Stop mansplaining! Choreographer: I'm not... y'know what, fuck this. I'm out. Director: That's right, go back to Russia! #NotMyChoreographer #StopDirectorShaming #Reeee!

[@XiaoFury]

@@chasm671 didn't anyone tell you that women don't need training and that we already know how to do everything? Makes for boring movies. :x

[@HylianKirbo]

@@chasm671 exactly what happens!

[@Crazieyboy15]

@@XiaoFury OMG thats literally what rey does in the movie.

[@AmronFortis]

Martial Arts Choreographer: *Makes a mistake and leaves a weapon in an enemy's hand which has to be edited out* Star Wars "Fans": iT's BeCaUsE rEy HaS pLoT aRmOr!

[@DragonxFlutter]

Ahsoka used reverse-grip in her youth, then off-and-on through her adulthood. But she at least had proper training from people who knew what they were doing.

[@lapplandkun9273]

And in the lore of the franchise, the reverse grip is called shien, which is a form of the lightsaber combat or “swordfighting” in the universe. The reverse grip can be explained by the lore of the franchise, except Rey was never trained in the reverse grip. She only uses it because rian clearly didn’t understand what lightsaber forms were and saw ahsoka or any other force wielder and thought “this looks cool” instead of applying over twenty years of lore made for the franchise.

[@soaringraven0]

Ahsoka also only used it with her shoto lightsaber (her smaller one) which is very much a "dagger" lightsaber.

[@DragonxFlutter]

@@soaringraven0 There were times when she’d do it with a pair of full sabers. But it was rare to see that.

[@soaringraven0]

@@DragonxFlutter So my point still mostly stands, but you're right

[@rakshalneyrak9862]

The main problem with reverse-grip (as I understand it at least) is that you can´t apply as much force in the offense and when defending, it is far more easy for your opponents to simply break through you parrying. That may be different with light sabers as we don´t really know how much force the wielder can apply to his strikes, and maybe deflecting blaster shots doesn´t need much force at all.

[@elJimjim]

damn, didn't know Dunkey was doing these videos now

[@beckdahl4252]

Ikr he should get back to his videos of him reacting to Jakey Paul

[@moriyokiri3229]

Because he isn’t

[@beckdahl4252]

@@moriyokiri3229 ever heard of a joke 😱🤯

[@libertyprime6932]

How dare you insult Shad like that :P

[@caiomarastoni1031]

A little late for that huh

[@alex-gz3kx]

Only imagine her training young padawans in upcoming films... Yoda: Well, screwed the galaxy is!

[@sanguchedelechuga606]

Yoda* :)

[@alex-gz3kx]

@@sanguchedelechuga606 Thx ^^

[@18ps3anos]

Her lightsaber color indicates that she will be secluded and protecting the galaxy from the shadows. I doubt she'd be training padawans.

[@autisticduck3071]

Child endangerment

[@613harbinger316]

No worries. She destroyed _ALL_ the Sith when she forced Palpate to tickle himself to death. No need for padawans.

[@CluelessGuyAXI]

Count Dooku would die of a cringe-indused heart attack if he saw Rey fighting

[@olafgurke4699]

Maybe that's why Sir Christopher Lee died, after all. He saw the sequels.

[@SteventheMoai]

Poor dooku…

[@cosmicmaster1006]

Hmm maybe because dooku actually had real training in the actual forms whereas she did not

[@jeffreygao3956]

No, he'd just try to mop her.

[@rouge_grenade4824]

Imperial Guard: Yes I can finally stab her in the back! Plot Armor: I'm about to ruin this man's whole career

[@imperialguardsman135]

Yeah, that's why I prefer bayonetts.

[@dawid000425]

@@imperialguardsman135 He should have chosen his emperor more carefuly.

[@EternalEmpr3ss]

Praetorian guard*

[@snapshot1069]

Clem

[@ЯБезымянный-о5ф]

Forget the dagger, he wasn't even using his left hand. Like, pull on that stupid ponytail or slap her ass or smt...

[@UGNAvalon]

“What’s wrong, Master Shad??” “I felt a great disturbance in the Sworce, as if a million sword enthusiasts suddenly cried out in horror, then were silenced in despair...” “Today is opening weekend for TLJ. What could this mean??” “I don’t know, my young apprentice... I don’t know... “

[@archibaldc.1833]

UGNAvalon +1 internets

[@IAmStridle]

"Mommy why is our neighbor swinging a stick around?"

[@noblespades8781]

@LouFerrigno's Poop but mommy, why is he wearing a clothes for girls?

[@FenasLovenas]

Noble Spades Honey, its 2019! He can wear what ever he want!

[@noblespades8781]

@@MrAlwaysRight woah easy I'm not a pedo

[@ECover-vv5nk]

Zippitty22 Fuck me he was joking, he’s not the next jimmy savle he’s probably just a kid, also fuck off back to buzz feed

[@scopeyui240]

@@FenasLovenas Look like someone is too serious about joke here

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Rey is so bad they had to edit out one of the royal guard's weapons to avoid her getting hit.

[@comment_deleted]

Not only edit them out but they have to throw them offscreen as well lmao. Wasn't Rey, just that whole scene was a trainwreck kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWmYfJR6iLJ8iK8 @ 10:00

[@brogan294]

I don't think that's Rey's fault the choreography was bad in that moment.

[@TheRedRaven_]

Haha that’s true, the disappearing dagger. Also her “drop” lightsaber scene is ridiculous and the cherry on top is her slice of his knees that leaves a paper cut scar.

[@dwightk.schrute6743]

One guard throws away his weapon right before Kylo Ren kills him. The whole movie was a mess.

[@asianp1067]

It was so funny watchin her fight an the one royal guard is infront of the camera an he literally WAS swinging at her neck then swung so FAR ABOVE HER HEAD I was like wtf?! Fuckin disney!

[@thesenate5913]

Even Anakin, the chosen one had to train for years and be beaten to become a good jedi knight. Rey is a wasted potential to make a decent character.

[@blueligh2]

She could've been such a good Jedi.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Yeah

[@LecherousLizard]

It's like that movie is a Bethesda game. _"Shit, Imma gonna die!"_ *「pause」* *「open console」* _"red_guard.removeitem light_dagger_offhand 1"_ *「unpause」*

[@weaponizedpizza8825]

"Oh shit, imperial guard behind me!" _[player.SetValue luck 100]_ *Highly trained imperial guard's swing misses stationary target and blocks other highly trained imperial guard's swing*

[@LecherousLizard]

@@weaponizedpizza8825 "STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMI-" _[imperial_guard.disable]_ PS. It's "SetAV", but it works like shit half the time, so you should use "ModAV" instead. Or just "SetLuck" if you're using commands from Morrowind. _Tee hee_

[@weaponizedpizza8825]

@@LecherousLizard technically both setav and setvalue both work

[@LecherousLizard]

@@weaponizedpizza8825 They "worked", but rarely how you intended them to. I remember how, say, trying to set an attribute to 50 would actually set it to, for example, 20 instead. ModAV worked always as intended. Also I have no Bethesda game installed to see for myself if "setvalue" is interchangeable with "setav" and nothing on wikias seems to point it being the case, but I'll take your word for it.

[@jasonalen7459]

"Oh mah gawd!" [Open console] "/kill red_guard @a" "Wait wrong game lul"