How to Offlane - For Beginners!

[@GenerationHollow]

Offlane has become so much more interesting over the last few patches, people don't realise how insanely impactful a good offlane is to a win

[@100djj]

GenerationHollow I had a game where I split push two inhibitors lol they sent 5 to contest orb I took tier two and inhibitor lol

[@lilboy7642]

GenerationHollow facts. I played with a group who had a solid offlane, to the point that we didn't lose Tower 1 until 20 min. into the match

[@minecraftace123]

I'm still a noob, but I managed to solo push offlane to the inhibitor with only 2 separate base retreats with a Gideon. I'd definitely say its an amazing task to just be able to open up a new front so easily and get some witty match wins in.

[@Origon09]

"You want to back the F#ck off" ~RGSACE 2017 😂 i was laughing for awhile after you said that!

[@IRenegadEEEEE]

Your content is never a let down Ace. Always a must watch. Not that this was that in depth cuz as you said it's for beginners but the production value is just too good to pass up.

[@XxMobius48xX]

Offlane is my "comfort" position. Love the heroes built for it, and love the way its played. Keep the tips coming!

[@saberfang27]

Step 1. Pick Greystone . . . . . Step 2. See step 1

[@bored_pyro]

Whoa whoa whoa! Step 2. "Hold W button"

[@shibuyami22]

*never let go of W button nor left click

[@saberfang27]

BoredPyro My fault fam!

[@Monius13]

lmao but seriously tho. stopped playing for about a month and found offlaning harder with most heroes. Greystone was still stupid easy tho xD

[@ferdus11jannatul36]

Alex Meggoe 8

[@man1ck3aton87]

So losing your tower in less than 10 min is bad (for 1) as it leaves your lane open all the way back to all 3 jungle entrances closest to your base, and it allows the enemy carry and support (or sometimes double carry -- very aggressive) to smash through other lanes or perhaps protect their offlane, providing a front against any pushes on their left should it come down to ditching a lane in order to capture a prime objective. For 2, Morigesh has a kit almost completely designed to stifle off-lanes aggressive pushes, and when it comes to slow/split push pressure she is queen (quick/split would be Countess or Yin); simply throw a hive, kill the range minions, then run to engage unaware enemies with quick burst damage meanwhile your hive eats the minions up and sometimes garners last hit cp halfway across the map while slowly building a large wave for whichever lane you pushed. And for 3, steel is a terrible pusher all around unless you build him for damage which makes you the first target in any engagement as you will be VERY squishy; one go of phases slow and you're dead against a burst team with a decent carry and tank regardless if you get rooted or not. Now I'm not saying your wrong, as we all don't take on the same people all the time or share all the same experiences, and teams are all over the place with composition nowadays, but with the well over a year of play and 1400+ games and continuous research of all characters and playstyles these have been my experiences, and seem to be much more consistent in every game I come into with actual decent players (well into the golds and platinum ranges).

[@RGSACE93]

I disagree with most of your points but the main one, if you think losing your tower in less than 10mins is a bad thing you really have no idea how to offlane. Epic DESIGNED for the tower to fall at the 5-5:30min mark, they never expect you to have that tower up for more than 10mins...so let it fall. The rest of the points I covered in the video.

[@man1ck3aton87]

They designed it to be a bit more of a struggle to kill within the first 5 minutes so it wouldn't be destroyed by a single push; after that point it is key for your jungler to rotate and assist with ganks and defense, and just because an item is designed to have a chance of falling quicker, doesn't mean you should just give up on it. Regardless if the developers expect it to fall or not it isn't up to anyone else but the players in the game as to whether or not it drops in 5 to 10 or 15+ minutes. From my experiences (as extensive as they are) what I've stated seems to be more consistent -- in the way that if it falls too quickly (i.e., 5 min or less), then it is almost a guaranteed gank and pressure game on the other lanes from their safe duo while off struggles to push the minions just far enough to garner their attention again while simultaneously risking deaths from the duo possibly rotating with a smart jungler to help them clean up or lock down offlane -- their safelane. As for any other points you covered in the video --that statement --, as well as I "have no idea how to offlane" are just logical fallacies and hold no merit. I flat out said I'm not saying you're incorrect, yet you immediately say I'm incapable; I was hoping for a discussion of your reasoning, but if you're just going to act like every other egotistical jerk on here who thinks they are infallibly correct and their "opinions" are fact, then go right on ahead deluding yourself into such notions.

[@thehypestation3020]

I'll be sending this video to many people

[@AntiTako]

The Hype Station me to XD

[@lisaelswick3869]

I really don't suggest listening to rgsace he is still a very big noob to the moba scene if you want help ask the experienced players like me or other people I can suggest

[@SqueeGodX]

lisa elswick stfu

[@kingchickenwing4887]

RGSACE, I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but almost EVERYONE you play against in offlane is so chill! They just LET YOU FARM! Almost every single time I play in offlane, the MOMENT I go to farm, the safe lane duo just straight up spams all of their abilities on me and then they chase me to my tower!

[@bigrabago75]

when split pushing make sure you kill ranged first it will keep more of your minions intact so you can build a big wave and let it push for you

[@FreshToast6000]

Question. As an offlaner what do you do when the enemy carry and support are being HYPER aggressive from the start?

[@psychokrypt1491]

i have the same question, what i do is wait under my tower wait for them to push in, damage the carry and ask the jungler to come gank or ask the midlane hero to come scare them, or just poke them, so that they know if they overextend they will be punished..it doesn't always work however, so i usually get 2 healer tokens the ones with 2.8 regen to help me sustain in lane..

[@FreshToast6000]

Good response. I will say I do something like this but they will not quit until I either die or back. Sure they miss out on a few minions but I'm forced to back losing my XP advantage a bit. Also somewhat of another question, so when their minions (say like a whole wave) reach my tower, do I just stick my distance and let tower fall if need be?

[@davidalejandrocardonanaran6216]

usually ask for your teammates to rotate and gank on right otherwise hit one minion, then they'll agro you, so go behind the tier 1 and kill them there, and safe

[@RGSACE93]

If they are being Hyper aggressive, you can out farm them easily. The wave will be under your tower and you just need to land last hits under the tower. 9/10 times when this happens and it only happens when I smurf I out farm the carry, at the same time my carry is getting farm because he froze the lane.

[@FreshToast6000]

thanks for the response, I see how I can get in front but do you say screw the tower or do you try to keep it up as long as possible? Even under the tower they'll try super hard to poke you.

[@timothyboisvert5087]

I must really thank you. I have really bad games with shinbi recently, but those tricks will help. Love your work!

[@Kreau]

Nothing like a refresher of the basics to help you learn something new. Especially for my favorite role. Also, that Shinbi build, is it something you use only with your comp team or something you have for solo-queue as well? I feel like half the builds I see people post are attempts to troll people trying to learn new heroes.

[@RGSACE93]

I use in Solo Q as well, I'll post it soon :)

[@sunday6846]

Damn I love watching you play. Also I vote yes on another, more in depth part 2!

[@wraith9145]

I used to support main but now I've fallen in love with off lane. I love taking Greystone or Serath and even Steel sometimes. It's just amazing I don't know why.

[@AhJong0]

Wow that is a shinbi doing work! She's one of the heroes who makes my heart sink whenever she's picked in solo queue as she can be so ineffective - same deal with Iggy and Kallari. In the right hands of course they can do work, but I rarely come across people with those hands... (and certainly don't have them myself!)

[@Apoli6R]

I play offlane since the beginning and think you've pretty much summarized it perfectly in this clip but the one thing I don't agree with you is doing the camp near the offlane is actually better than getting 18 or 36 xp for a couple of minions your first wave might kill, as you get 40 xp from those two at the camp + 170 cp + 35 cp per jungle minion in the amber link at the 2 minute mark.

[@EnterChandman]

I've had my master Sevy for a while now but really never thought to play him offlane. Guess I may dust him off and try this out!

[@ab-uo6rd]

congrats to place 2 in your group ace :) and nice comeback against the pyros. props!

[@ManWhoLaughs2311]

Love this video so much good info! Please share more if/when you can!

[@ಠ_ಠ-ಛ2ರ]

How do you know when you should split push or rotate? Like what factors would you take into consideration before committing to either decision?

[@davidalejandrocardonanaran6216]

plsss a in depth video on how to off lane I really appreciate your tips!

[@sailornaruto39]

Yes plz go over the types of off laners. If gent is a good split pusher that must explain why I don't do well with him in off lane. I keep trying to join team fights.

[@yassinhammad2791]

tnx for the vid oflane is my favourite lane

[@gabrielladeira5627]

Nice video, Ace! I would love to see a build and guide for Shinbi

[@aidanthedestroye7742]

can some1 explain what split pushing freezing is and all that stuff and what they do and when you should do them and how?

[@WorkingTavo]

@rgsace can u do a video about shotcalling?

[@mattw335]

this is my first moab and I just started playing. So if you could do more videos in depth of everything that would be awesome!

[@Blight_0]

Can you post a link to your Shinbi build please Ace

[@Geneticlyinsane1]

^ What he said , been looking for a decent offlianer build but still havnt found anything im happy with

[@BritikHD]

Good tips for beginners!

[@KardesDesign]

Great informative video bro! I still need to make some decks for Feng and Grey to offlane any ideas?

[@stevenwonder7]

I need this video I'm trying out offline thanks

[@MrDaantjuh13]

Morigesh can easily split push by throwing a hive and help teammates. Sure she is not a countess, but surely a great offlaner

[@100djj]

DanTheMan she just pushes lanes so slow compared to some of the other offlaners

[@RGSACE93]

It's too slow like Dakota mentioned

[@revenant7709]

DanTheMan isnt Morigesh supposed to be a mid laner ?

[@MrDaantjuh13]

Dantiel Barbosa Well yes, but her ranged attacks, hive, and a healer token allows her to stay healthy while doing damage

[@vueyang5745]

I totally agree with you Dan. One of the offlaner's job is to deny the enemy carry's farm and a good Morigesh can definitely do that at the beginning. Sure Morigesh can't push that good compare to other carry but she fulfills one of the offlaners task and that's good enough tbh.

[@hag-youthrhys6471]

offlane has been my favourite role since monolith has dropped and yeah I agree, make pressure, create wiggle room and rotate to important fights and focus the important hero's

[@hag-youthrhys6471]

early game keep your wits and survive the poke

[@TheKarterr]

And how about range caster offlaner, like Gideon, Gadjet, Howie, Iggy, Belica, Fey? I find them quite effective in this role.

[@100djj]

who do you like offlaning better with Feng Mao or Greystone?

[@jaspercheng923]

Do you think offlane Kallari is viable? I really like her being able to spilt push and then teleport to team fights.

[@sovereigngreed]

Do you think Serath can be a valuable Offlaner in high platnium play or even higher? Since the jungle rework, I feel as though she doesn't belong there anymore. Safe lane is always the best option for her but I was wondering if offlane is also a viable option.

[@NJBiggs77]

One of your best ace

[@TheBombBoys3]

As always, great stuff man

[@erickstanfield1772]

Have any tips for when the enemy carry/support are relentless and continue to push for tier 2 and selfish team mates don't care because it's not their problem? Also, sometimes the support keeps chasing you far enough away so you cannot gain a single xp at a distance and you become under leveled? I'm totally serious about this. It happens sometimes and I'd like to hear some feed back. Thanks in advance.

[@charlieroebuck4240]

As an offlaner main, I saw two points I wouldn't do, but all in all, there are because of our difference in playstyles. But yes, Aurora and Steel should join to team fights fast. (After hard-pushing they're lane a tad bit and accumulating two waves of your minions.) anybody else should consider if it is better if it is better to split push or just teamfighting. Except Kallari, split push real hard as Kallari, please. ...Or just don't play her at all. :v

[@LOL39282]

great guide man, i learned alot

[@N1ghtCrowlers]

can you make the build and guide video for that shinbi deck pls?

[@Bullet_Archer]

Does anyone have any tips to offlane with Kallari? I think she's great for the offlane because she can easily get to the gold buff with her jump.

[@FranticFrenchman]

I'm definitely a beginner to these type of games. I've watched some of your other videos and found them helpful, but this one not so much. You use a lot of terms that I didn't understand; split pushing and freezing just to name a couple. I think you need to take it a step back even more for it to be a true beginners guide.

[@jayFunny1]

What heroes go in offlane

[@valentin5367]

A Shinbi build and updated guide would be nice

[@gprockx770]

Thank you that was useful information

[@hvcbandit5583]

What do u mean when u say freeze the lane.

[@godofentity]

You get a thumbs up because you said flat out Morigesh is not an offlaner. Fuck those people that think otherwise. Good vid bud.

[@SergioVarela]

I hate the meta of letting your off lane tower fall in the first minutes, I always keep it for at least ten minutes and it helps the team a lot because their carry gets stuck in lane while your carry can rotate which makes the game a 4v3 for a while.

[@SmartJock69]

Also know when to be Aggresive AF! With Howie I hold that tier 1 for over 20 minutes. That mine and his Rocket make it easy.

[@hamedbss]

thanks for the advice

[@sailornaruto39]

Isn't going aggressive on the carry when the support isn't there ( and you don't know where they are) bad? Like doesn't it make you vulnerable to getting ganked?

[@RGSACE93]

Offlane heroes with a level advantage will do serious damage to the enemy carry. That is your time to strike

[@geoffryperry7684]

what is "split pushing"

[@jeannotte9710]

nice tips, but you forgot to give a shout out to crunch as an offlaner :)

[@revenant7709]

Im kinda new to this game and i've been playing a lot of Countess and Revenant but im wondering...which roles are the best for them ? I've heard that Revenant is a carry and Countess is an offlaner, is that true ?

[@xlWillyWonkalx]

Dantiel Barbosa people use count for mid and off, I like using her off cause you get your ult fast and can kill the adc but you got to be on your toes, when I go kid with her it's just like you're chilling lol

[@revenant7709]

Jez​ yeah i've been using her as an offlaner more than anything and well, im doing pretty good i would say. But what about Revenant ?

[@Sasquatch-fx6gw]

Although I do main offlane I will say that it can suck at times.

[@nockiller]

do you think Wraith will be a good fit in offline because of his abilities

[@RGSACE93]

Yeah, I personally think he's going to be great in the offlane and I'll be attempting to play him there

[@shinotabi]

Yes sir - highly interested

[@Rattler808]

good video, thanks!

[@pedroinvoker8970]

thanks dude ur awesome

[@purple-mm1hz]

feng is really good I love playing him on offline

[@THENORCASTZ]

What do you mean with the term "snowball"??

[@doughboy1119]

THENORCASTZ it's when there are lots of minions and more show up and then take towers

[@decothe1st]

can you make a shinbi build and guide pls?

[@rajp-eh4eu]

damn that shinbi gameplay tho

[@nicholasraymond3147]

can u make a 100% crit sereth deck it will be fun

[@nachetdelcopet]

Nice videos dude, but you should make a sum-up photo at the end of each video, its pretty hard to follow your accent sometimes

[@samadprimo4117]

Good video

[@cjackson4804]

Who are some good Offlane heroes?

[@GregoryMenard96]

Honestly offlane is s very interesting role in this game I still feel like it was forced upon us by epic though

[@CEllhunt009]

RGSACE I have been doing something that has work and many time my team thinks it's weird and crazy offlane Twinblast Do you agree?

[@helmbreaker8622]

CEllhunt009 Sure if you're vs storm troopers

[@diegosmurillo]

Offlane is really boring to play. It's just about wait for your jungler to engage on carry or phaze and kill. Epic should fix this

[@elijahidemudia1607]

Diego Salazar How is it boring? It's a 2v1 lane doesn't get any less boring then that

[@diegosmurillo]

Elijah Idemudia getting obliterated with no chance to play offensive without getting punished

[@damianking226]

make a video for ramz certy and reflect teach them how to offlane like a pro player Kappa

[@SRB-gq5ty]

shinbi build plox

[@TheSkelzore]

This video is unrealistic. That revenant didn't spend his entire time doing nothing but shooting you and failing to blow snot on you because it would auto lock on to minions.

[@dutchGZ]

wait why is oflane two v 1

[@dutchGZ]

why not a solo and a duo lane

[@ΝίκοςΧ-ζ9φ]

not first

[@sghpudge9830]

No bruh they do not play this damn passive wtf

[@thiempje1837]

could u send me ur shinbae deck? :)

[@Ethernalist]

ace m8 I hope the aids solo lane queuers watch this video and actually learn something. Most freeze the lane and don't rotate and it's so upsetting...

[@yassinhammad2791]

first

[@PedestrianBurger]

RGSACE would be​ interested in a scrimmage​. My team unfortunately couldn't make the exhibition qualifiers due to work and I feel as though they missed out on a valuable learning experience. they are often too aggressive and while they do group up and support we have yet to face a team that can properly punish them for their over aggression. I have been trying to tell them this but they haven't been listening and I feel a match with a team that outclasses us would benefit us. if you can please message me on my discord SirJ-Saw7565