Rhino High Fidelity: A Conversation w Kevin Gray & Rhino's Patrick Milligan

[@Paul-uo1ph]

Thank you for this fantastic video Mazzy! I was super happy to hear that The Smiths are high on the Rhino list of artists as I am 100% confident that ANY Smiths title done in the HF series will sell out in record time - was thrilled that you showed Strangeways Mazzy! They are all amazing LPs and deserve this audiophile treatment Fingers crossed we see Smiths titles!

[@kjbiz]

Great chat. The Television album is such a seminal and influential album. There are a number of influential bands from the 80’s and 90’s like the Husker Du record that kids like my sons are also starting to listen to. The kids love vinyl too. I I would love a record company and engineer to bring out the sound of those records. It doesn’t have to be UHQR but they should be able to sound better to do the artist justice and to sit in my old man chair and enjoy. Oh and the kids would buy it. Thanks again as always. Cheers from an Australian in Sri Lanka 😊

[@cultvult]

Flip your wig would be an amazing Rhino Hi-Fi

[@MrLovell1971]

Love this guys this is my favorite Ornette as a unit Cherry, Haden, Ornette and Billy Higgins plays so tight on Ramblin’ this was my gateway to Ornette catalog .

[@jodygoeler586]

Great segment. Lots to learn even for this lifelong collector. Kevin Gray continues to amaze!!!

[@love2spinvinyl]

I have gotten each of the Rock releases (plus Herbie) so far from the High Fidelity series and could not be happier. Sound and Price is perfect. Looking forward to this latest release and especially to me I had never heard the album - until i streamed it after the announcement.

[@robbiedetroitstigermanviny8883]

Mazzy, Awesome Interview. I really really enjoy when you do these. Kudos!!!!!

[@GusMozart1]

Great video Mazzy! A real treat to hear this conversation with the deep knowledge of all three of you. Thanks.

[@bryanmorgan758]

Also wanna say kudos to Patrick and Rhino. Rhino High Fidelity is a great series, but they've been putting out the best reissues for years now and the deserve all the success 👍🏼

[@revelry1969]

This Television album is amazing. Can’t wait for mine to arrive. Mazzy thanks for hosting this

[@PiecesofVinyl]

Fleetwood Mac S/T is coming AAA from RKS from Vinyl me Please - Feb. Essentials of the Month.

[@maxhirsch7035]

Change of the Century- what an AMAZING album - also my favorite by Ornette! So thankful for this new Kevin Gray AAA remaster/release! Re. overdone releases, while I love the Dead (my favorite band), and American Beauty is one of my favorite albums of theirs, perhaps it's a bit overdone- do we need another one? But who knows, maybe this one will offer some neat new emphases/aspects to the sound.

[@williamcardina89]

Thanks Mazzy for yet another great presentation Any reference of Ornette gets my respect!

[@markh.9822]

Really excited for the American Beauty in a couple months! I've had the MOFI on preorder for a while now but just cancelled that. My absolute #1 want would be a Forever Changes. The Bellman from 10 years ago is good but I want KG to do it with that Rhino High Fi presentation

[@false_binary]

Excellent interview! A unique, real time take from a mastering engineer stating they had never heard a recording prior to working the project. Very much looking forward to hearing Marquee Moon, esp to hear how KG interpreted it, b/c I have only listened to a few tracks a few times in the past (streaming).

[@BruceFrazer100]

Excellent interview. Patrick and Kevin are so laid back nice to hear that. Marquis Moon is an amazing record glad to see it has been re issued. Sinatra at the sands would be a great choice It is a real period piece with the non PC raps.

[@amerigoormea]

Marquee, not Marquis.

[@jonathanmackenzie2570]

Fantastic Mazzy.

[@latheofheaven]

Mazzy, you just won my heart forever! Mr. Heartbreak is seriously one of *THE* all time greatest albums EVER! I sought out a Promo pressing for that one, sounds amazing! I happened to see that concert, and WOW man! Let me tell you, I have never before or since seen anything like that. They all came out dancing to these wild poly rhythms dressed in all white suits with something like white gas masks one, and then all their white instruments descended from the ceiling and she snatched the white violin out of the air and burst out in this totally Otherworldly solo. Out of my paltry 2600 vinyl albums or so this one is easily in my Top Ten, hands down. An absolute masterpiece of composition, mood, and just pure F'n brilliance, truly!

[@dbronx347]

I'm excited about these latest releases. I ordered both copies the other day and Rhino/WEA already sent me a tracking number yesterday. That was quick! Crossing my fingers everything will be alright. This and the Tone Poets have become my favorite series. Amazing quality at reasonable price.

[@terryhu57]

Television was considered punk at the time it was released. They were as punk as Steely Dan was rock. No radio would touch anything considered punk. I would love to hear Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers Live at the Blue Note. Also Pere Ubu the Modern Dance.

[@juststeven35]

Husker Du Warehouse is a great choice. It may be easier to do Candy Apple Grey since it is a single LP. Spike was released by MOV as a 2-record set. Obviously digital, but sounds damn good and is available on the cheap lately. Great video.

[@papabear1417]

Great episode Mazzy. Hearing from not the usual suspects within the Record Industry is fascinating.

[@mazzysmusic]

Thank you ✌🏼

[@asufluffhead]

Kevin Gray isn't a usual suspect? 😂

[@onsenkuma1979]

The Bee Gees box is extraordinary...so glad I picked that up before it disappeared, as I did 'Odessa'. Fantastic vinyl releases...

[@mazzysmusic]

People can still get for around $250 on Discogs. Seems somewhat reasonable since it is 6 LPs, mono and stereo of the three albums. And it won’t be repressed. ✌🏼

[@MrRockcat88]

Looking forward to the Rhino Television reissue, cool discussion. Loved your suggestion for Husker Du but in my opinion I would love to see them do a reissue of Flip your Wig, when the band embraced their pop side. Not sure we’ll ever see it though.

[@fidelios_frequency]

I’m very confused by what Patrick said about the Fleetwood Mac S/T album. It’s been done (2012) before at 2x45 by Bernie Grundman & CB (mastered from the original source). Also Vinyl Me Please is releasing it in February cut AAA by Ryan K Smith. How does he not know? 🙄😂🤔

[@georgepblair]

John Cale "Paris 1919" really needs a reissue. Even that WLP doesn't sound as good as it should.

[@cradio52]

I really hope they do drop the whole “1 jazz title, 1 rock title” with each release announcement. There are PLENTY of ultra high quality audiophile reissue labels doing jazz right now; that ground is pretty well-covered. Rhino would do well for themselves to carve out their own niche and give us ultra high quality audiophile reissues of rock, pop, R&B, folk, psychedelia, disco, funk… etc. Anything but even more jazz! It’s always jazz jazz jazz! Also Fleetwood Mac’s self-titled album has most definitely been given the “audiophile” mastering treatment before - a few times, actually. First was a 2-LP 45 RPM for RSD 2012 cut by Chris Bellman and pressed at Pallas, then another 33 RPM Bellman cut came out in 2022, and VMP is doing an AAA reissue cut by Ryan K. Smith for their Record of the Month in February 2024. And it’s black & white split/colored vinyl, if you care about that sort of thing! Also also, it’s heartbreaking that Rhino no longer has The Bee Gees. Now THOSE albums would be f**king incredible as audiophile releases. Their music is so rich, lush, layered and just generally stunning… there’s a lot that could be brought out by a quality remaster and I’m shocked they haven’t been done yet. Their entire catalog - everything from the earlier baroque pop albums through the disco years and beyond, is highly underrated and undervalued in general IMO. I feel like they’re usually written off as “the cheesy falsetto disco guys” but that’s so insanely far from what that band was, it’s crazy.

[@spectrum_archives]

Sinatra at the Sands was part of the Quincy Jones box set from Vinyl Me, Please

[@Willthelistener]

Enjoying the chat and Rhino's plans and waiting for my package of the 2 new HiFi releases from the US - btw Jazz - Didn't Kevin cut it for Speakers Corner? and Grievous Angel has recently been done by VMP

[@maxhirsch7035]

I don't know if the musicians for these albums would be interested in releasing them on vinyl, or if the recordings would benefit from such treatment, but for two way-out of the way recordings that might sound good on LP, I'm nominating "If Four Was One, by TJ Kirk, and "Fishnets and Cigarettes," by Toledo. I do think that if more people knew about "If Four was One," I imagine it could sell on vinyl. But presumably too unknown for Rhino. As for Toledo, that would be a vanity project. Not much audience for that one, but it's a great listen!

[@robbiedetroitstigermanviny8883]

Mazzy, comin' with it! So Cool Dude!!!

[@thomosburn8740]

So funny that Kevin was not a 'Marquee Moon' fan before he cut the new lacquers. It's been my musical comfort food for 30+ years. The REAL problem w/ Fleetwood Mac s/t is the 15.5k whistle running thru the entire tape. The whistle was present on the 2x45rpm version from a decade ago.

[@mazzysmusic]

Yesh, but it’s more that he simply never heard it before. It Passed him by. I’m sure there are many records cut by all these mastering engineers that they missed when they first came out. All of us discover music long offer their initial release date.

[@91pastor]

I think the sound of the original was very intentional because of the spikey/edgy type of music Television were producing!@@mazzysmusic

[@nicholassheffo5723]

Mazzy, The Gibb Brothers (and their estates) landed up getting all their master tapes and they are now licensed to Capitol, which is now a division of Universal.

[@mazzysmusic]

Oy

[@nicholassheffo5723]

@@mazzysmusic They did all new transfers of the hits for the recent Bee Gees documentary and will hopefully reissue the whole catalog from the 1ST to the final group album, though Universal owns the SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER soundtrack themselves. Barry Gibb is starting to have hearing issues, but he'll hopefully supervise as much as he can. He and Streisand also ought to fix up GUILTY because of some compression issues, plus updating its analog/digital mastering.

[@sugarbone-cage8497]

For me Marquee Moon is a highly influential record for UK post punk bands (such as Siouxsie & the Banshees, Cure), also very influential later for bands like Dream Syndicate or Dinosaur jr. I became aware of this band due the output from the label ROIR, which were issuing cassette tapes (Marty Thau) from NY punk bands. There is this killer song “Little Johnny Jewel”, which was only available as a 45 or on these ROiR tapes (eg the NY punk band compilation from ROIR- of course format = cassette). I have a German reissue from 1990, which sounds pretty good. I ordered this reissue now, especially after the slightly negative feedback from Fremer (😂🙃)! Shipping to Germany, so let’s hope😅. One more remark: there is a lot to discover when it comes to the later solo albums for Verlaine & Wright, especially when you adore the sound of Fender Strat! And thanks again for your nice wish list, Mazzy. Huesker would be quite interesting for Gen x dudes.

[@PhilJS67]

Bee Gees 60s music is just amazing. If you’re looking for a sampler get Best of Bee Gees.

[@ChrissHill-im7kj]

My friend had one of the whole Burbank catalog albums and it had some really cool stuff on it..I remember Daddy Cool,Jerry Garcia,Sparks,and many others..

[@davidcook7847]

Just ordered a couple from Rhino off of seeing your video a couple days ago. Previously have never heard of them but they are now on my radar.

[@mazzysmusic]

Cool ✌🏼

[@johns126]

I too was recently gobsmacked by the quality of songs on Bee Gees 1st. And like you Mazzy my second hand pressing is a bit noisy. Someday I guess The Bee Gees analogue tapes will be put to work 🙏

[@ericpedersen8715]

Just before 24:00 they reference the Fleetwood Mac album. There actually is an audiophile version of it - Mobile Fidelity did it back in the day and I own a copy. I am sure it is very hard to get now.

[@jeshurunabinadab6560]

I have the Ornette Atlantic box as well. But starting to wonder if I should pick this one up 🤔

[@TRamone01]

Markie Moon? Markie Mark. Markie. Moon. Oh, Marque Moon. Totally interesting show. Thanks.

[@kinnamangaming3216]

Good interview, you didn’t let Kevin Gray talk.

[@mpw116]

Great stream. But guys, lol, Vinyl Me Please is doing s/t Fleetwood Mac AAA (from the master) RKS. Y’all gotta start putting some respect on VMP and pay more attention to reissues we probably don’t need more of. Dirty shame that VMP go unnoticed in the audiophile space so frequently.

[@dariuszsalamon9441]

they need to bring prices down

[@johnsvensson6623]

Love your Quadio Blu rays. Have bought all. Folks go 4.0, or 5.1....

[@franksmusic2880]

Mazzy, maybe you are aware of this set but there’s a beautiful three cd set of The Bee Gees first three albums with extra bonus tracks added. It’s a great set, the sound quality is fantastic. I just don’t understand the money spent on rebuying records especially when you own an original copy. I have an og of the Television album in very nice shape, there’s just no way I’m going to rebuy this again.

[@Jonny_C73]

I wonder what record store Patrick was working at in Denver in the late 70’s. He kinda looks familiar now.

[@KenVanTassell]

Can we get Devi’s Freedom of choice ? To my knowledge that has never been an audio file release!

[@andrewwatkins7737]

Great show Mazzy. Out of the cradle by Lindsey Buckingham on reprise is really hard to get and was criminally overlooked in my view. Could do with a rhino release on vinyl..

[@BigCraig]

The rights to Flood have gone back to They Might Be Giants. They did a great sounding reissue of it on their Idlewild Recordings label.

[@revelry1969]

Would love to have Kevin cut the Love Changes in this new hi fi format

[@blombidobadila8084]

I'm hoping in 2024 we get more pressings of records of average, if that, quality that we can buy easily enough without another pressing.

[@derekkoch9734]

Husker Du!

[@michaelt2469]

Note - the Ornette Coleman box set is not Mono, it is Stereo. You mentioned the copy of change you showed was mono, but when you flipped it over it clearly says stereo and the box set is Stereo.

[@mazzysmusic]

Yes I corrected myself later when I showed the back. My mistake. The boxed version doesn’t say stereo large on the from line the new HFi version. Thank you ✌🏼

[@keithh5106]

Damn, no Paris 1919! :(

[@cultvult]

Just got the Television. Amazing, but what’s up with the sleeve, as beautiful as it is(It’s the highest quality i’ve ever seen), being too big for a clear plastic outer sleeve. Are you having this issue, and what are you doing with it? Just wondering.

[@mazzysmusic]

The sleeves I buy fit it ; the local ones or the MoFi outers fit

[@sadsackjetsfan1795]

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

[@bryanmorgan758]

Mazzy help me push these guys to do the Woodstock NY John and Beverley Martyn albums! Mainly Stormbringer!

[@mazzysmusic]

My guess that is owned by Island UK and was licensed to Warners USA. Yet this John & Beverly are fantastic.

[@bryanmorgan758]

@@mazzysmusic I believe it's actually the opposite for those two titles specifically. John Martyn solo is a different story 👍🏼

[@tonyfafoglia2927]

Cool series Patrick how about Jimmy Guiffre Trio with Jim Hall and Ralph Pena Atlantic - 1254

[@DoctorInsomnia-qw7us]

Television's Marquee Moon is not an 80s album. It came out in 1977. Their second album, adventure, was released in 1978. Later that year they broke up. Everything released by Tom Verlaine and Richard Lloyd in the 80s were solo albums.

[@mazzysmusic]

Yes I stated release date was in 1977 and that the weather promo man gave he my WLP copy then. And the next year came Adventure.

[@cultvult]

Ah, i’ll try a Mo-Fi sleeve

[@tomdemaline8869]

I've tried to listen and like avant guard music and I just don't get it. When I listen to anything avant guard it sounds like every member of the band is playing a different song. How do you listen to this stuff ?

[@mazzysmusic]

Sometimes it clicks. Sometimes doesn’t 😵‍💫

[@brotherwill]

John Simon!!! YES!!!!

[@mazzysmusic]

Right. When hell freezes over. I’m in fir 25 copies 😎

[@brotherwill]

I'd particularly love a proper reissue of the 1971 "John Simon's Album". It has so many legendary players on there. Anyway, we can dream. @@mazzysmusic

[@mazzysmusic]

@@brotherwill the Elves Song ✌🏼

[@MAC5REPORT]

It was driving me nuts who Patrick Milligan sounded like when he talked. I couldn’t pin point it and then I closed by eyes…..snap! Dick Cavett!

[@michaelb.9548]

So Kevin had NEVER HEARD M. MOON!!!!!! Gosh!

[@mazzysmusic]

You know every mastering engineer never heard the recording they master right when the album debuts. And none of these mastering guys have heard every record they work on years later 🤠. Have you heard every albums that’s been released ?

[@michaelb.9548]

@@mazzysmusic Man, you know what I mean. I ment the MM album and you don’t remaster every album that’s been released, right?

[@EMP698]

Kyuss and Afghan Whigs

[@EMP698]

Los Lobos The Neighbourhood

[@hubtunes9607]

🔥🔥🔥

[@giantsteps69]

How ‘bout Rhino High Fidelity - “Colossal Head” 😊

[@hubtunes9607]

@@giantsteps69 an OG is super expensive. Glad i got one

[@EMP698]

@@giantsteps69 yes. That would be so good

[@revelry1969]

I prefer not the Fleetwood Mac there are great versions out there already.

[@JimMorrisonslizard]

Do you have to be bald, wear glasses and have a grey goatee in order to appreciate Verlaine’s singing?

[@mazzysmusic]

It helps 🤠

[@4-dman464]

A pre-recorded livestream? It would be fun to graft a chat script rolling down the r/h side, inventing halfass misinformed remarks & toxic interactions. That's not been done before, you could push the envelope on that. Maybe there'd be blowback, putting words into ppl's mouths like that. You could alter the nicks of the usual suspects to stay out of trouble. 4DWoman...GeorgeWarden...ShotglassConstruction... TheFaxed... M78audiophile...Gretchen'sHost...Dandelo (the cat in THE FLY 1959)... If you script it well, & include at least one on-screen reaction to the rolling chat even before you've created the chat, could be hilarious. How hard can it be to create a chat & stick it on?

[@mazzysmusic]

Ha. Of course it wasn’t a live stream. I don’t enjoy hosting them myself. I more enjoy having an intimate conversation without the noise scrolling up a down the side. Livestreams are fun and better done by others ✌🏼

[@markpocock183]

The sound and performance on Sinatra at the Sands is excellent, but I would vote for leaving out the cringe worthy monologue.

[@asufluffhead]

Proof Kevin Gray just runs these albums through his system. Why would you want someone who had never heard an album remaster it? Would you let someone do that with Dark Side or Revolver?

[@johnsvensson6623]

Don't know what The System is, doubt if you know, but not everyone is completely knowledgeable about every LP that has come out in the past 50. However, he has a pair of ears and experience in mastering records, which you probably do not. Buy the record, borrow the record, steal the record, then come back with a knowledgeable opinion. It's all subjective after all.

[@nicolelynnkucera]

By the time Television album came out I moved on from rock to listen only to jazz.