RHOC Reunion: Tamra and Heather Spiral Together (Part 1 of 2) (RHOC Reunion Full Recap)

[@SuzanneKilbane]

Agree 💯- I just wish someone would bring up Tamara enabling and absolutely encouraging Shannon’s drinking. If “ it’s been concerning for 10 seasons “ - then why bring her shots - pour the drinks and you yourself get blind drunk with her??? Omg it’s mind boggling. No one acknowledges this .

[@leigharmstrong9940]

Great point!👏🏼🫶🏼

[@Chumbawumba12]

Hold up!! Bros, I needed to pause...did you just say it was refreshing that no one was talking over anyone?? SIRS!! All Emily & Dubrow did was unnecessarily & inaccurately talk over Jen & Katie. That was the whole issue with this episode and the reason why I will back up Katie & Jen NO MATTER WHAT!! The way those hoes treated Jen & Katie was GROSS!! Andy literally asked Katie about the Heather snub, and HEATHER proceeded to talk over Katie while cutting her off and repeatedly saying, "I'M STILL SPEAKING!!" Everything else is spot on, especially about TammySue. . .love you bros!

[@MsFreebird101]

"those hoes" hahaha that made me cackle

[@tclark0211]

Heather hijacked a question Andy asked Katie and Heather still had the nerve to shush Katie and noone called her out for it, not cool

[@DJ2724-r7z]

thank you! no one called her out for that!

[@busynana7917]

💯

[@Aspin-uk8vf]

HEATHER IS NOT A GREAT REPRESENTATIVE OF TERRY'S PRACTICE.....

[@karenayers6793]

Hmm, I beg to differ. Didn't she save his life earlier this year? I think that did VOLUMES for Terry's practice. Strategically pairing up with Tamra this year is dumb and doesn't even make a blip on the radar in comparison to actully saving someone's life.

[@llnut4775]

Honestly they can get rid of that whole damn couch! 🙄(Tamra, Emily & Fancy pants)

[@pamelacarbonell201]

Yes, totally agree!

[@patclark2398]

I’m really disappointed in Heather becoming a bully like Tamrat. I hope Heather comes to her senses soon.

[@freida14]

I used to love heather until i saw the way she bullied Kelley Dodd on the bus in Ireland. She showed who she is at heart

[@ronesss33]

@@freida14and the way she bullied Noella and essentially got her kicked off the show - all because Noella was prepared to call Heather out on her bs.

[@abbeylemke2486]

Tamra definitely has dirt on heather and heather knows it

[@thetranquilitycafe]

Why was Andy even there? He was useless. Find another moderator.

[@guamissy7649]

Emily and Heather are playing for the production team

[@julithompson8891]

What exactly does Tamra have on Heather ???? Anyone who gets on Tamara's "team" becomes a little toxic. Also, I'm kinda proud of Shannon. She's always had some problems but this year is the first time I've seen her make such progress. She's learned boundries are ok, being alone is ok and drinking doesn't solve the problems. I feel that was her only coping tool. I'm not sure she has dependence on it in the same way a true alcoholic does. Good on you Shannon. Tamra ???? A real commitment to mental health would help

[@marycadigan7118]

I agree, I just wish Shannon would stop running away instead of confronting them (especially in London).

[@mykidsmomogx5]

Oh could you IMAGINE a drinking game JUST on Emily "I'm a lawyer"😂😮😅😊

[@barbaradoucette6672]

Andy was setting up Tamara to look good bring up she wants to apologize to Shannon! Then bring up Tamara getting help! Even on Watch What Happens Live he brought up Tamara and what they thought about her apology and Jeff he thought there is a lot of resentment and real love on Tamara’s part. Emily big mouth needs to shut up! I thought Emily looked like she gaining back some weight back or maybe her hair style was not flattering.

[@Chumbawumba12]

@@barbaradoucette6672 so disappointed in Andrew Cohen for just everything!! Innocence Project Simpson needs to fuck all the way off!!

[@talkativetvaddict5906]

I don't think Geoff is a friend to Shannon. Maybe Tamra loves Shannon does that mean it's OK to ABUSE Her? Emotionally Abusing someone then professing you " love " them - even trying to Call it coming from " concern" or cos THEY r Hurt is ALL Text book Narcissism. I didnt appreciate Emily comparing Gina forgiving Shsnnon to Tamras treatment of Shannon for Years! They shld Stop pressuring Shannon to let Tamra back in. I hope Shannon + Gina stay close. Emily is the 1 'dancing with the Devil ' - 2 of them 😈 😈 ! The interrogation of Katie was disgusting.

[@tommosm]

Emily talks too much. At last year's reunion, she did the same thing, chiming in on everyone's segment. What she did to Katie was disgusting, and Heather knew that. As soon as Emily brought up her kids Heather's demeanor changed and she didn't say anything else about it. That's why she apologized.

[@bridgettallsbrooks2601]

Tamara probably put the "Ryan doesn't want Jen close to you bc you're a lawyer" in Emily's head

[@talkativetvaddict5906]

Just Last Season -17- at the ranch trip Tamra is going "shots shots shots" to Shannon when She said she couldn't do another Shot. Not that anyone is responsible for Someone elses drinking- But thats NOT someone concerned that their friend is an alcoholic- Tamra started this Narrative in Shannons 1st Season S9. 10 Yrs ago. Not saying it wasn't slways an issue I don't know- except if it was then it wasn't just a Shannon Issue it was a Shannon Tamra + Vicki issue. The myth that it's only a problem if its at home + or alone- It's dangerous + unhealthy wherever they are when So drunk they are falling over + or Being aggressive or getting distressed. Tamra pretended to befriend Shannon in S9-They bonded over their enjoyment of shots + getting wasted. Not saying she didn't like Shannon- Shes able to trest her " friends" appallingly. She saw an opportunity to Use Shannon as A storyline to 1)deflect from scrutiny on Her life- 2) Hve someone to feel/portray herself as Morally Superior to. This is Sg Tamra was doing for yrs before Shsnnon joined. She used to try Slut Shaming Gretchen, always trying to expose her as a cheat, got her 'naked wasted' + tried Getting Her to hook up with her Son Ryan (who I think was around 22 at the time). She used to say about Gretchen being supposedly adulterous + promiscuous "Thats not the type of Person I want to surround myself with"(if that sounds familiar it's cos she recently used it about Ryan.) She + Heather Bullied Alexis (yep Alexis!) calling her out for bragging about her wealth + being materialistic! Tamra tried mum shaming her- +called her psychotic. Heather said to Alexis 'if everyone tells u yr dead its time to lie down'. This was the real Heather not the reinvented improved " perfect" Nice person She relaunched herself as when she rejoined. I thought she had changed despite her 1st Season back- making Gina her pet + trashing Shannon. I felt for Heather last season but not that much cos I remember how she always supported Tamra in everything - + As awful as Kelly Dodd was+ is - They ALL were vile when they ganged up on her in Ireland especially on the bus in night vision- Heather was the worst. That's when she left. Tamra takes her own deep rooted Shame+ insecirity, things people have probably have said to her + accused her of, tried to shame Her for, + projects them onto someone else. When Shannon joined + hit it off with Vicki the most, Tamra Too- She was gaining her trust while spreading gossip + planting the seeds of a narrative about Shannon that she has used when necessary for 10 yrs. She was making fun of her, saying she was crazy, that she was a " lost soul" That " Shannon drinks way too much" -+ obvs stuff about her marriage. Heather hated Shannon partly cos she was threatened- Shannon had a house in the same area that rivalled hers, but mainly cos Tamra + Vicki befriended her, Tamra pushed Heather out- deliberately to get her to compete for her friendship. Tamra is good at playing friends off agsinst each other- She doesn't like others having friendships independent to her- Which is Y last yr she had to sabbatage the fairly new + fragile friendship between Heather+Shannon. From the v start S9- Tamra told Shannon lies - She told her off camera-that Terry had supposedly said about " we r going to take the Bedeors down"- Then deliberately publically Denied ever saying it to Shannon- Which of course Terry + Heather chose to believe Tamra. She Gaslit Shannon + convinced The Debrows + the whole group that Shannon had Imagined it- cos she was 'Crazy'. Hesther also convinced them all Shannon was lying about her kicking her out of her house +When Shannon finally lost her shit + tried to leave the dinner party where it all came out-with Tamra physically restraining her when she was begging to let Her go outside - forcing her to stay on camera, making her more + more distraught- Heather asked Terry ' is she having a psychotic break should we call an ambulance?" - With totally Fake 'concern'- That's The Real Heather btw. The only Time Tamra saw Shannon Drunk in that 1st Season it was when she was equally Wasted. They bonded over getting drunk- Thats what held their friendship together. If Shannon had bn drunk + messy this Season- no one would have noticed Tamras drinking- we'd maybe still notice her behaviour but wouldn't link it to her drinking + wouldn't notice it. Every time we see Tamra+ Heather on screen they r drinking- + that's fine it's their choice, but the hypocrisy - All the hypocrisy not just about that. And If Shannon had bn drunk this season Then Tamra wouldn't of been so frustrated + angry + trying so hard to Bait her. As you've pointed out Shannon seemed to have her drinking under control-Thats the Last thing Tamra wanted. Tamra NEEDS Shannon to b a mess, to be self absorbed + play the victim- which she has at Times-Tamra thinks she can keep the same Narrative going About Shannon by just repeating it over + over- Her Alexis + John underestimated Both Shannon + the audience- They must have been gutted that the baiting wasn't working. I believe they thought Shannon would freak out + say a load of unproveable things about John + then they could Sue for Defamation. Tamra STILL says how she was there for Her during the "David Years"- Yes She was but if she wasn't spreading gossip about her marriage she was storing up every ounce of support to use against her for ever. Tsmra was never being a genuine friend, she used Shannon depending on her for support during her divorce to hold over her +make HERself a martyr/victim. With the exception of when They fell out with Vicki- which is why Shannon got closer to Tamra in the 1st place- after the brookes thing(after distancing herself at the end of her 1st Season when she + Lizzie called her out on all her backstabbing,)- Every other Season Tamra has weaponised Shannons Mental health, Drinking, her fragile+ emotional state after an emotionally Abusive marriage, Anything + everything - in order to Make herself look superior, like shes Got it together. It's not about whether Shannon has bn dependent on Alcohol- she's admitted that- its about Tamras motivation for focusing on it for 10 yrs. People mock Shannon for being emotional + having drama for 10 yrs. Alot of her " drama" on the show has been as the group scapegoat- it bonds them + deflects from them to have a scapegoat. Tamra has often out of the blue just switched on her, especially when Gina + Emily joined- getting the group to join in, Attacking Her + spreading gossip about her behind her back - Pretending it was out of concern + frustration- when in fact She has always saved it all for on camera so Shannon would be blindsided + all the more Defensive. Tamra always falls back on targetting Shannon whenever she's caught out or called out for her lies+ manipulative mind games- She knew exactly how to get under her skin + undermine her because as she so often reminds us She listened to Shannon confiding in her about David. Id bet money on the fact that David used to call Shannon "A drunk" + that's Y Tamra uses that particular term. Id also bet money that what people have said that to Tamra in the past too. I am dissapointed thar Enily seems to want Tamras + Heathers approval + respect so much. I don't know how long she can do that + simultaneously be a Friend to Shannon. Or in fact Gina if Gina doesn't go back to being submissive to Heather + Imtimidated by Tamra. Tamra+ Heather have Emily to do their dirty work. I didnt even like Katie much but their Treatment of her in the Reunion was a disgrace. Especially talking about her Ex + her custody issues. Emily thinks she's in court. I wonder if Any of these Women would have been able to Endure a group inquisition every single day, either aggression or mockery , like Shannon did. She's by far The strongest of them all- + The sensitivity of Heather + Emily is Fine- they can feel how they feel - but the double standards, + the lack of empathy is incredibly hard to watch. Andy has checked out - he may as well not b there.

[@patclark2398]

Love your podcasts. ❤❤❤

[@karenayers6793]

It's time to take a "Who'd You Rather" poll! Ariana Grande's side piece (SpongeBob SquarePants), or Teddi's side piece (banjo plucker from "Deliverance")?

[@cindyg5914]

😂😂😂

[@Aspin-uk8vf]

THEY WERE NOT IN SONOMA, THEY WERE IN GUERNVILLE ...GUERNVILLE IS IN SONOMA COUNTY... WHY DID HEATHER NEED TO PROMOTE THIS CHARITY IN GUERNVILLE AND NOT IN OC...WHAT IS THE CONNECTION ?

[@badassbombshell5894]

Tamra's vendetta toward Shannon is likely due to Shannon's longevity on the show. When Heather returned she felt like an outsider and while she CAN stand on her own she still wants to be part of the group. She was jealous of Tamra with Shannon and wanted Tamra's attention. This season, I think Heather was wary of being too close to Shannon's troubles and then Tamra crawled up Heather's ass when she started to fail in her attacks on Jen & Ryan. Its about what's familiar rather than what's better.

[@talkativetvaddict5906]

Guys i dont know if youre aware but Emily doesnt watch the show!!!! She never has - Its baffling to me + Its a big mistake - She doesnt just not see herself- she doesnt see All the behaviour + interaction between people where she was not present. Nor does she see the confessionals. Shane watches it for her + gives her his opinion. I think she will regret it. But it explains alot.

[@Aekbonita1986]

I was happy they started it off strong

[@CarlyBarley333]

The fact that Tamra skirted by was so frustrating

[@karenayers6793]

Tamrat barely spoke on Part 2. I really think Eddie told her she better act civilized during the reunion or he's outta there. First, Teddi gets a divorce; now Tamrat. It's been coming for a long time. I'm sure that's why they got that 2nd home in Big Bear. She even said that Eddie spends all of his time in Big Bear. He's on his way out. He's still young enough to meet a HOT nice young lady and have kids of his own. He used to be a paralegal and a personal trainer, so he'll be fine financially; especially if he gets alimony from Tamrat. He should ABSOLUTELY get a piece of her golden egg. No house husband deserves it more than Eddie. Imagine having to live with that demon all of these years.

[@debbieshuta1854]

Emily works w Tamra and teddi on their podcast

[@Josh-xn2uu]

Katie constantly lying or having strange stories for everything is getting old. I do believe her daughter is messy, she does rant to her kids about the other women, the situation with her following a guy home after road rage incident, the Sutton stuff, etc… and everyone is overlooking that because they hate Heather. I agree that Tamra and Emily are insufferable, but Katie came in with a vendetta and nasty attitude towards Heather and now people are upset that Heather is matching that energy.

[@Chumbawumba12]

@Josh-xn2uu that's unfortunate for you but I respect everyone's opinions, even asinine ones.

[@irenetsomidis2167]

I feel that Heather sees Katie as competition! She is well spoken, polite, stays calm under pressure and very respectful, qualities that are natural in nature not fake acquired as Heather…. she is a joke!

[@Burlgurl61]

🦔

[@Nick-T-o]

YOUR SHANNON BIAS IS SHOWING! Shannon has been messy and sloppy the entire time she has been on the show. If you watch all her reunions, her drinking has been a brought up by everyone, not just Tamra (who is awful) and how she doesn't have a healthy relationship with alcohol. She has said at every reunion "I'm working on myself, I'm setting boundaries" After the amount of years this has been an issue, you would think Shannon would stop being so defensive and accept that maybe being sober is the better life choice. Heather never brought up the story to the women, they brought it up to her: she spoke about the photo to Gina and Emily in London, who only questioned it AFTER the Jeff Lewis interview aired and Heather shared that Shannon came to her (which Emily decided to expose to Shannon to be messy- it could have been kept private). Heather felt used because Shannon showed her the bloody photo on camera on purpose, she could have shown her that photo at any time, she chose to do it on camera and Heather has seen this behaviour before to establish a narrative of a victim in her favour. She once tried to get information out of Heather on screen that her ex husband David was cheating on her when she could have approached her at any time off camera, she didn't, even Terry was there, confused by the entire thing and Heather never even told Terry she knew David was cheating, she told nobody, she kept it to herself. The timeline that Heather was referring to was that the Jeff Lewis interview was some time after filming that scene and once Shannon had spoken about it, Heather was too, allowed to have her opinion, which she stupidly shared with untrustworthy housewives. Does Shannon deserve the abuse from Tamra, hell no. Tamra is disgusting, but Shannon isn't a saint, nor is she a victim.