Rich Campbell's Response (He Sued) | Bald Streamer Xeno Reacts to Mustache Streamer Rich Drama

[@broson2480]

He was smart for lawyering up and shutting up. Angry Joe did the same thing, and it worked out for him as the accusations were proven false. People who think silence means admitting guilt are imbeciles.

[@rurikki5350]

shut up jaybee

[@MrCipasa]

@@jaybee4288 dude you know fuck all

[@KingCrimeTime]

​@@jaybee4288 He's sueing multiple parties tho. You don't do that when you're guilty

[@uservenny84]

​@@jaybee4288 that's not how that works

[@Ziphers69]

​​@@jaybee4288innocent until proven guilty we have due process in this country ps she's not going to fuck you lil bro

[@StormierNik]

Those content creators who immediately only believed one side of the story would ABSOLUTELY be pissed if it was false allegations aimed towards them.

[@Nyakomata]

What if they were true allegations? You think they would be mad too?

[@StormierNik]

@@Nyakomata No shit. The point is they don't think about being in someone elses shoes as often as they should. They don't think "it can happen to me". They say the most safe response possible of following whatever anyone else has said. Believe the woman, dont think about anything guilty until proven innocent. The whole "Always believe women" bullshit is sexist in itself because it paints women as people who are perfect angels who never lie or have malicious intent. It puts women on a pedestal that ends up flipping in the opposite direction when they do something more visibly and mildly wrong so they end up getting even more backlash than they should in some instances.

[@Justaguywithglassesok]

thats the thing, theres no WHAT IF, theres only ONE TRUTH, and till you got said TRUTH you stfu, simple as that. gossiping is fun and all, but not when it could potentially destroy an innocents persons rep.@@Nyakomata

[@lv.99mastermind45]

​@@Nyakomataraped me

[@FabricateFrog]

FACTS. Asmongold is a snake

[@mazohyst1878]

Damn didn't expect Rich to show up again after so long

[@coolyeh1017]

The writers aren't done yet. But honestly it seems like he only sued because he was sued first.

[@ROBerter-h9u]

He needs to rebuilt his fanbase before Dawntrail releases

[@ArchieGamez]

​@@ROBerter-h9uI personally think it will take longer than DT release

[@slapjack373]

@@coolyeh1017 The thing is tho, he may have been preparing to sue and she sued first. He counter sued very shorty after(10 days), which could mean he was preparing/trying to get more proof. I could be wrong but i would imagine it would take much longer to counter sue someone had he not been prepared.

[@itsyaboiherman]

ive been WAITING on this day

[@jaqf2397]

Some have a bald fetish, be careful out there xeems.

[@miorioff]

You mean "be searching for it, xeems"? 😂

[@infinite0rbit]

I do. His head looks like a tit 😘

[@TrueChaoSclx]

But it looks so smooth

[@shadowdragon8168]

I like Xeno's approach to this, wanting to hear both sides of the story before coming to any conclusion, you don't see that very often anymore. Thank you Strummer

[@lanisolfire5692]

Same. It seems like the ovious thing to do but people tend to instead pick a side before hearing all the facts

[@AngryPlayerGaming]

@@lanisolfire5692 the issue is that people have drawn conclusions from the information given, I find it hard to fault people for forming their opinion with the facts that they have. it's hard to hear both sides of a story when only one side is being given.

[@tyty8484]

Sounds like Rich got Serious with Mia and Lexi flipped her shit. Happens every day.

[@FabricateFrog]

facts it was clearly a scorned ex lover especially with the timing of it all

[@bigbangattack97]

scorned x lover that has texts saying she didnt wanna fuck that night or at all

[@Zetasphere]

This is one of thoose things where no one but the lawyers are required to take a side.

[@lyralydia]

law and order: svu taught me how to believe victims but remain skeptical growing up and i‘ll always be thankful.

[@xianviii]

you don't have to believe them. but you do have to take what they say seriously. some for the other side. take what everyone says seriously and wait for the evidence to show which side you should believe.

[@FabricateFrog]

i dont believe anyone until i see evidence. of any crime whatsoever. thats how it should be not "believe all victims" thats brainrot twitter mentality.

[@chadm2343]

@@xianviii you added nothing to what OP said, OP basically said the same thing LMAO

[@bosspaw4028]

@@chadm2343There’s a massive distinction between “believe a victim” and “take what they say seriously”. The first one you’re immediately siding with the accuser the second you’re not siding with anyone and instead gathering evidence. I mean think about it, you’re already assuming they’re a victim in the first one.

[@kessler4o573]

Ever since the projared case, i don't trust allegations like this. Both parties could be equally rotten.

[@gobleupmonster]

Ever since the Projared case, I've stood my ground on this. If you believe a crime has taken place, go to the police. If you take it to social media, I'm immediately suspicious of you and will wait to hear the other side's story of events.

[@freshskittles92]

YEP @@gobleupmonster

[@Deku-yg1vz]

You would also think that after the Projared case that streamers would learn to shut their cockholsters until the final verdict.

[@sdkdoom]

you don't have the prior knowledge to judge either case, and you shouldn't trust what you think about it either.

[@bigbangattack97]

​@@gobleupmonsterwith famous people its different no cap even micro celebrities fan bases deserve to know whatsup.

[@danielholmes7658]

Even if he’s innocent the damage is already done he’s guilty in the house of public opinion. Very few people will come back to check the update that he was innocent or not. It’s messed up but unfortunately that’s how it is when it comes to these things.

[@fiend1385]

Because People are so ignorant and stupid

[@GreatSakuya]

We've seen this again and again. If it happens that he is proven innocent, it wont affect his channel that much. Just look at the ProJared situation or even the ZeRo situation

[@ehwick8175]

If he wins they will.

[@andyramirez4293]

Yea ain’t nothing changing he took a year off people tend to miss him after a break so when he comes back don’t be surprised that he has a huge following again hell he might even come back to otk I wouldn’t be surprised

[@alliego2]

If he wins everyone will believe him. May take a much longer time for people who were on the girls side to forget of course just like with Johnny depp and everyone who believed the terrible rumors. Even after Depp won, none of the major companies backtracked what they said about him, however he still made movies and did concerts. If rich wins, he may not be allowed back into OTK yet or he may not come back to streaming right away if he even wants to go back. Like depp not wanting to ever go back to Disney despite winning his case which made Disney look worse than it already does. If anything, the girl would be treated like Amber heard was, wouldn’t be surprised if she tried countering with defamation over the loss like Amber tried to. However, the public already loved and treasured Johnny Depp a lot, so you may be right on the damage already being done.

[@heyimbilliejean]

56:41 This isn't really something you can do. Sure, you don't want to be super open about everything, and you probably aren't going to be showing off all your evidence prior to discovery, but once the case reaches discovery, which is before you actually hit the courtroom, the other side gets to see all of your evidence. You can't spring it on them.

[@VargThorsolf1114]

Unfortunately for both parties, the public will never know the actual truth and both of them will have to live will the fallout. But for both boys and girls...don't go and put yourself in a situation that can be compromised. Take someone with you unless you know for sure which way you want to take things physically and emotionally.

[@OcelotTransfusion]

like a threesome?

[@pablokusanagi5868]

Lmao, the girl living with the fallout ? This is going to be another case where the man is going to be fucked his entire life because of this and the w0man will get free pass and don't suffer nothing from it, just like happened with ProJared lol

[@polmao]

​@@SomethingScottywell said

[@SRFAA]

@@SomethingScotty He has actually been seen in pictures online since before he filed his lawsuit (his girlfriend's Instagram at Disneyland) and there were a decent amount of people glad to see him doing well in the comments. But yeah, it's unlikely that he'll ever fully recover due to the allegations even if he's correct. Kind of like ProJared who proved that he wasn't in the wrong, but majority had already moved on by then and wrote him off.

[@dumcatte1180]

I don't even play XIV anymore but Xeno is the only drama reactions I watch. Asmon is very biased narrator since he is involved in a lot of stuff he talks about which Xeno isnt.

[@Grimnoire]

I still play XIV and he's not the only drama reactions I watch. Asmon is a very biased content creator so I watch all of them to get all the information.

[@josephgregorowicz5135]

Just an FYI, when this lawsuit thing popped up, and people asked about it in Asmon's stream, they were IMMEDIATELY banned. It is and always will be about protecting the brand over defending your friend.

[@beckham3533]

First of all him answering any questions would get him pulled into the legal matter or make things worse. Second, yes a multi million dollar organization is more worth to protect from a business standpoint

[@josephgregorowicz5135]

@@beckham3533 Isn’t that what I just said?

[@beckham3533]

@@josephgregorowicz5135 oh mb i read it fast and thought you were criticizing his actions

[@TNTspaz]

Tbf, Asmon bans literally everyone who is spamming shit. People really need to stop making it out to be a malicious act. Just makes you look like an idiot. Especially with LSF dying on the softgiving hill When he wants to talk about something he will. You aren't going to force him into it because you feel entitled to the information.

[@Nyakomata]

He has nothing to do with the lawsuit and can ban for any reason, stay mad kiddo.

[@rafacastillo9611]

I dislike Rich, but i always thought it was bs that OTK threw out Rich but not Mizkif considering there was almost as much evidence for both cases.

[@coolyeh1017]

Though Mizkif's situation was bad, apparently they ran a third party investigation by hiring one the best law firms in Texas which found no wrong doing. Mizkif's situation is also very gray because of all the drama, unreliable witnesses, agendas from the victim's supposed supporters (XQC and Train wanted to drag Pokimane and Hassan into the drama), and that the actual perpetrator of sexual assault was thrown under the bus faster than you can say lawsuit. Rich outright admitted everything to Asmon and OTK and declined to fight the accusations. But kicking Rich out of his ownership share, if Rich's story is true, is wrong without the correct legal mechanisms (especially in Texas) which Rich is alleging did not happen.

[@Daecoth]

@@coolyeh1017 Xeems explaining the OTK reaction is spot on. And the way all of OTK worded it by stating "we have requested Rich to resign" is very exact, unlike what Fumimation did with their statement regarding Vic's situation. Rich filing the suit after a year can probably be attributed to his lawyer finding enough evidence to file. No allegation should be overlooked, but with the ammount of false allegations in the news being exposed like Matt Araiza, Brian Banks, Johhny Depp, Nikki Yovino, Trevor Bauer, and Elenore Williams, there needs to be a HUGE overhaul on how these kinds of cases are handled in both courts of law and law enforcement.

[@guaripolo1808]

The Mizkif situation at the start was seroius as fuck. Then Mitch happens, XQC is there doing things and Trains being schizophrenic.

[@xClyptox]

Not comparable. Not directly involved, doesnt have multiple people coming out the woodwork. lolwut. Not to even mention multiple people involved who couldnt get their story straight or caught in lies.

[@MeldinX2]

It's diffrent since Miz did not do it personally. While Rich was involved himself.

[@papascronch]

so nobody learned anything from the Johny v. Amber arc huh?

[@comradeweedity1648]

That both are AWFUL people yet somehow Depp is now a saint, a hero? Yeah nobody learned shit, it set us back decades actually. Decades reversed. I tuned into that trial for like ONE hour and the texts I saw from Depp were DISGUSTING yet nobody seemed to care? So very weird.

[@coldchillin8382]

Or the kavannaugh and ford

[@FabricateFrog]

these lying OF girls never learn

[@karlklein2263]

Remember lads. No means no even if it was a yes first.

[@legoxb]

what if it was always a yes and then gets edited to a no in post?

[@karlklein2263]

@@legoxb that's the joke

[@acujicky]

When talking about believing victims of SA, it comes from a place where women and girls were historically not believed and potentially berated for even reporting an assault. IMO believing women is more that we shouldn't just dismiss their case automatically. Some radfems may think differently, but the history of "believe all women" stems from historical mistreatment and judgement.

[@acujicky]

I also disagree with xeno that Alexis has nothing to lose. There are many para social Andy's out there who are willing to protect their assumed relationship with the streamer. She could easily be sent death threats, get doxxed/swatted, or worse.

[@Kanaleah]

​@@andreamarques8328You don't need to prove anything in the kind of case she's pursuing. That's not how the court system works, because it's not a criminal court. She just needs to convince a jury she's more believable than he is. The burden of proof in civil court, even in jury trials, is much lower than in criminal trials. A woman willing to lie about this can be just as confident she can convince a jury with her own words alone, and there's a reasonable chance she can.

[@esra013]

​@@ho-sette Look man I think you are pretty naive if you think people would not do something bad if there's nothing to gain from it. If people do work like that then please explain to me how Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp false allegation could ever happen. People are petty and we derive some amount of joy or relief from seeing someone we hate suffer. And quite frankly sexual allegations are very easy to fake since its usually its a 2 person activity and a legal consensual sex can become a non-consensual on the next day depending on either party's mood.

[@Grimnoire]

​@@acujickymany para social Andy's aren't shit when she's getting 50k a week on OF

[@MeldinX2]

It's fine to take it seriously. And i don't think you should say that the victim is lying. But this does not mean that you should attack the accused without evidence. Things like this should not take place on Twitter or social media it should take place in court. There they will decide if the person is guilty or not.

[@crimsonshadow1477]

If the heard vs depp trial showed us anything it's waiting for the courts verdict before passing judgement as a society is the best way to do things

[@bigbangattack97]

what do you think happened with that bud? lol

[@bigbangattack97]

depp had to pay $2 to her for her lawsuit against him. he won a defamation suit on her after only proving she hurt his identity lol. her winning $2m on her suit against him means what to you?

[@bigbangattack97]

and either way theyre both huge pieces of shit but if someones abusing you you're gonna abuse them back in most cases. 90% of humans arent as emotionally capable as they believe themselves to be.

[@Odins_Eyepatch]

It’s beyond friendship between him and asmon OTK is an organization that needs to distance themselves from things like that personal feelings aren’t a factor there

[@sweatyraider7241]

Yeah but kinda feels bad that the org you built up for years do not have your back if you know you are innocent

[@Odins_Eyepatch]

I get that but I guess we will see what happens

[@DJThomas59]

Know someone that went through something similar. They beat the case, but a lot of damage was done to them before and after. After because the women contacts people he knows and worked with. These situations are as simple as people on twitter like to make them out. To be honest, id argue they make it worse for the victim as well.

[@tahaelhour690]

Honestly the real nail in the coffin for Rich is that Asmongold immediately took the side of Alexie. Not just OTK, Asmon acted like he KNEW something was up but didn’t want to go public with it, so it made Rich look really bad.

[@chiekokurokumo]

After the whole Depp/Heard debacle, people should know that relationship-related stuff is never as simple as it seems. The guys are almost always expected to be the aggressors and only to blame, so it's important for them to get help asap and allow the judge and courts to mediate, etc. Usually both parties are at fault to some extent (character failings or whatever), but it feels like the guys are often slammed pretty hard at first. It takes a while to sort out the falsehoods from the truth... and we may never know the truth of the situation... and perhaps it isn't our place to know anyways? But I won't lie. I'm curious AF.

[@comradeweedity1648]

Yeah now there's a great example. A case where Amber was on full blast by the internet and now everyone ignores the terrible things Depp did, because let's be real, he's a garbage as well. Now everyone worships Depp as some saint, but he's not. Both were terrible people, but since Depp won, now all women are liars. Every victim is now an "accuser" and every victim needs mass amounts of evidence to dare stand up to a man, which also makes victims not want to come out. Terrible all around.

[@MrZimmerson]

Big Xeems - always love the content you pump out, and we can't forget to give some love to Leo for editing this

[@djosmi5083]

"Innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent." We would have already colonized Mars if humanity thought like that since the begining.

[@boanoah6362]

"How do people even get the idea you can benefit from false allegations?!" Uh my brother in Christ, she's suing him for a metric boatload of cash, are people just braindead nowadays? False allegations have been made for way less.

[@miatomi]

I have no opinion on this internet tier shit, but people saying they trust the accuser because they trust Asmongolds judgement is both hilarious and depressing. People truly cannot think on their own.

[@EmpyreanDreamer]

Asmons judgement is irrelevant. His body language when talking about it is far more significant as well as how quick and severe the action taken was compared to mizkif and also the fact that he made it crystal clear he had more info than was public and the action they took was based on that. That is a lot of red flags to make your own mind up on the matter and thats before you even look into it personally.

[@Deminese2]

Body language is bullshit. people all act differently. Asmon is also a primary owner of OTK what he cares about is his business not rich.@@EmpyreanDreamer

[@miatomi]

KZbin has truly poisoned a generation into believing that you can discern the truth from a persons body language, or even a simplistic and one sided review of their actions. That’s not the way it works.

[@EmpyreanDreamer]

@@Deminese2 True he acted mainly in business sense and rightfully so, but it doesn't change that it was an entirely different action, much faster pacing and entirely different tone that was used compared to the mizkif stuff. If you think there's nothing to interpret from that you're wrong. Just like yes it is business but that doesn't mean them being close friends is irrelevant, its not.

[@miatomi]

Source: absolutely nothing

[@Talnova]

Without taking either side, the only thing i found weird about her side was mentioning alcohol and inability to give consent. She said in the twit-longer that she said no to the sexual advances, but then the alcohol part mentions that she was unable to give consent? If she said no, isn't that showing an ability to give consent (and that she did NOT give it)? I don't know... to me that seems weird, like a conflict between the twit-longer and the court document. Why wouldn't the document just say that she refused consent? Maybe it's a legal thing which is why it doesn't make sense to me, but it just struck me as weird.

[@ssbsk6571]

One issue I have with this whole situation is that its a civil case and not a criminal case. The burden of proof is much lower in civil where they only need to convince the court that he more than likely did it. Also Rich's lawsuit high-key sounds narcissistic tbh,

[@CasualReaper]

From the way I see it, it’s gonna come down to who has the witnesses to back up their story. This is why it’s never good to judge someone early on cause people tried that and look how the case with Johnny depp went.

[@bigbangattack97]

how do you think the johnny depp case went exactly and which johnny depp case specifically?

[@SebastianBeresniewicz]

The reason it's important to always hear both sides of the story is not because one person could be lying, but because there are always different perspectives on the same event.

[@PantsManUK]

Is HenryResilient forgetting that in the US service of a subpeona requires the served party to testify? If the lawyers on either side of this serve papers, people *WILL* be required to testify.

[@rathous]

Nothing like proving you have been assaulted when you go to the social media instead of the police. To this day, she has yet to go to the police. Before anyone comes after me, yes, I am a woman and sick of this bull shit 'believe all women' with no evidence.

[@Chiou404]

People tends to forget a phrase called "Innocence until proven guilty." And seriously bros, stop doing this open relationship shit man, girl can ruin your life by any second, and you loose everything. Find a girl, and be commited, both way.

[@Cybertech134]

Or don't find a girl and be happy avoiding all this nonsense.

[@lovelygargoyle5248]

OOOOOR: Don't date at all. Don't marry. It's just a weird social lottery, you're win big, until you reach a point when you lose it all.

[@mukakruda8474]

Innocent until proven guilty Unless it's a SA allegation, guilty until proven innocent, and even if you're proven innocent your life is over It's so stupid, a company I used to work at had a female file a SA claim to HR about a guy, and he was fired on the spot before the investigation. After the investigation was done, surprise surprise, bitch just didn't like the guy and wanted to get him fired. The company did come back and apologize and offer him his job back, but that shit's there forever, even though it was a lie, he was fired for SA 😮‍💨 And it's rare for the woman who made up the stories to get attacked and screwed over the way the guy does, so we're just encouraging it to continue

[@Grimnoire]

That doesn't exist on the internet

[@ValkyrissaGaming]

The outraged mob probably doesn't care about such things :D

[@Adlehyde.]

Trial by jury for defamation is rare because it is usually presided over by a judge. However, if the plaintiff elects for a jury trial, then there will be a jury trial.

[@dckuha]

What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that consent can be withdrawn at any time. A guy can be balls deep in a girl and they can be having a great time but if she suddenly wants him to stop for ANY REASON AT ALL and he doesn't stop, that's rape.

[@usagibun7639]

exactly

[@X2XO99]

While I understand the sentiment, rape is different. Rape is equal to murder in my opinion as a woman. It's having someone assault, invade, and damage you with real believe in the possibility of actually dying by the hands of the predator. The situation you described I would say is more close to a physical abuse, albeit on the minor side. I say this because there is also a different between having something you're already doing go uncontrolled or slightly bad than having someone beat you up. And quite frankly, having people use such examples to describe something as horrific as rape undermines it in my opinion.

[@Kamasillvia]

Yeah, it's fucked. At this point, you really need a legal document of consent, with video evidence of signing without influence. As cringe as it is, your whole life could be fucked because someone's a crazy bitch/asshole, better safe than sorry

[@marslara]

@@X2XO99 No offense, but it's a good thing that you don't define what rape means then lol Rape doesn't have to be "violent" anymore than abuse does. Having sex without the person's consent is rape end of story. To claim it's somehow not as bad as your definition of rape is truly undermining. It is also quite disturbing to see it described as "minor physical abuse". Just gross..

[@X2XO99]

@@marslara " To claim it's somehow not as bad as your definition of rape is truly undermining. It is also quite disturbing to see it described as "minor physical abuse". Just gross.." Yes, having sex already and wanting to stop during it but the other party continues is a minor abuse in my opinion and absolutely incomparable to rape.

[@HenryResilient]

Great coverage but you cut out some of the best parts. Jane Doe 1 and 2 videos are up on my channel.

[@TetsuShirenai]

I think he racted to Jane Doe 1 already, saw it on stream, not sure about Jane Doe 2 though, I haven't kept up with his streams since.

[@HenryResilient]

@@TetsuShirenai Jane doe 2 just dropped

[@XenosysVex]

I'll check out Jane doe 2! 😮

[@Awakened2001]

I've seen that exact situation with an ex f buddy. And other friends deal with the same shit. Not saying that's the case but it happens for sure.

[@NekoDavid]

I think him stepping away while this gets sorted out is the right move. If he is found innocent, he deserves to have his good standing restored and likely some financial compensation. If he's guilty, he can stay fucked off forever. I hope that justice is correctly served.

[@rednova2212]

21:04 When Charlie and Asmon were mentioning that "There's nothing to gain" They were talking about the fans lashing out against rich AND the woman. Not the woman who's 'MeToo'ing' this guy.

[@Moecinnako]

I have no opinions as of yet. I need this to play out in court. This is very convoluted for both sides. I'm glad Rich was smart and lawyered up and see how this gonna play out.

[@happy_camper]

My personal take from watching this is that xeno’s chat is hilarious and amazing.

[@orb8540]

The reaction of Asmongold is understandable since how much he gave shit to blizzard for sexual misconduct allegations. Remember that it the allegations were not proved before a judge or a jury but settled on by both parties, and know that a settlment is not an admission of guilt very far from it, people who infur guilt from settling forget that the accusing party accepting payment for cancelling the legal proceeding should not reflect very well on their desire to see justice done. It would be quite hypocritical for asmon to defend Rich for being mob-justiced while having so vehemently participated in the mob-justice against Blizzard.

[@EntertheFray1]

Nah, it's not understandable. It's supposed to be his friend. He threw him under the bus during a time of need. Scummy thing to do.

[@orb8540]

@@EntertheFray1 My point is that it would have been hypocritical, not that it's not a scummy move.

[@EntertheFray1]

@@orb8540 Your main point sounded like you are rationalizing/justifying of what he did, which shouldn't be rationalized. Nor do I even agree it would be hypocritical. Let's contrast the two scenarios here and why it's a bad comparison. You are comparing a large professional run corporation where several employees are forced to work together and the SA that went on in that professional setting, compared to a separate allegation concerning two people that had nothing to do with the company who were privately involved with each other where one made a twitlonger accusing his friend of SA. They are not remotely similar. I don't think Rich was employed to screw Lexi, nor did they work together under OTK, nor was OTK itself involved. Entirely different contexts.

[@orb8540]

@@EntertheFray1 I think you are overreading my post a bit because I don't recognize my point in your message. I am saying that Asmongold as an OTK founder who was very critical of Blizzard for not taking immediate actions for unproven allegations could not afford to let Rich accusation slide or be supportive without losing the moral highground regarding sexual misconduct allegations. OTK is a large professionally run corporation, its not the size of Blizzard but it is a big media company with millions of dollars on the line, Asmongold and the OTK company line has been pretty much standard regarding sexual misconduct allegations. Cut ties with the accused before it damages the image of the company and move on. Asmongold couldn't have reasonably been supportive or calling for a legal proceeding before taking action without seriously compromising OTK and his image.

[@EntertheFray1]

@@orb8540 Buddy you are comparing around 20 twitch streamers that get paid for raunchy chat and gaming talk/content to a large corporation that employs thousands of people who work office jobs and make games that several millions play worldwide. It's a bad comparison because it doesn't take into account the nuance in differences here. They need buildings and infrastructure for people to work at, which means people are forced to work together which is were a lot of the SA happened. It is obviously Blizzards responsibility when their employees are facing SA trying to do their job, which is the issue. This is a scenario involving an OTK member regarding his own private life and personal circumstances with a relationship with a girl he was casually seeing who wanted to turn it into a LTR. They are not remotely the same context. No, people should not be fired based on allegations. Innocent until proven guilty. If you can't understand the distinction or why it matters, I'll break it down. A colleague who works in an office building going around committing SA needs to be suspended, because they are a potential issue for the other workers there. So for the consideration of all other workers, that person needs to be suspended pending investigation. Lexi isn't a part of OTK. This was a private situation regarding. It had nothing to do with OTK. Essentially, Asmongold threw him under the bus. No, it's not understandable why he did so. The things he said concerning rich basically implied he was guilty. For a guy trying to sell his persona as just the average normal guy, most normal guys don't throw their friends under the bus for money or distance themselves in a friends time of need. They were supposed to be friends, not work buddies. That makes him look bad, frankly.

[@Bierzgal]

The OF thing is quite simple to explain. In court it’s very common to strike at the morals of the other party. To show them in a bad light. If this would be a trial by jury, many members of it might be mid to even older age folks. If one side would be successful to paint the other as a person of “loose morals” it would definitely be to their benefit.

[@IsisSirrius]

Big respect for you keeping an open mind, reserving your opinion until you heard more information, and respecting that claim documents, and the allegations therein, are not equivalent to evidence. People tend to forget, in western society A Judge determines if a person is guilty, not John Q Strimmer.

[@bambooex]

Wonder if they'll digout rich's twitch vods when he constantly called her his ex gf

[@TajinQ]

Not to take anyone's side, but I've refered to girls with whom I had casual sexual relationships as ex gfs when talking to people. Sometimes it's just easier than just explaining the whole situation, especially if you don't know where the people you're talking to stand on that kind of thing.

[@blackdahlia42]

Its hard because I firmly believe that we should support victims and make it easier for victims to speak up because the reason actual problems don't get reported is often because of public harassment and shame being a common result for victims who speak up --- all that being said, I've also had to sit by and watch my own husband be youtube slandered by claims of unsolicited d*ck pics despite me literally being there and seeing for myself the "victims" participating in a consensual and mutual exchange. we SHOULD be able to make it a safe environment for victims to speak up and be believed, but the problem is that it gets harder and harder to do that when vindictive assholes (of both genders) throw around severe accusations because they're feeling pissy about some grudge they've developed against the person.

[@TheBoEoSoT]

As I am a lawyer What Xeno said was astonishing as if he had graduated from law school, and I wasn't being sarcastic. Everything he said had a reason and listening to both sides of the case is a legal rule 101. And as he said, it's not about truth, it's about proof.

[@CWFDSmokeEater]

The thing that amazes me is that when you are making a defamation argument towards a man, all you need is 12 pages. But a counter defamation allegation is what, 30 plus pages long? The cost of defending yourself (no matter the guilt) is ridiculous.

[@Thundawich]

Well, that would mostly stem from the fact that initial lawsuits don't need a whole lot of paperwork. Most of the stuff gets presented throughout the case under the moderation of the judge, not initially. The page disparity is coming from the fact that the counter case is also partly a response to the initial filing, its not its own separate thing. (Also there is no defamation argument being made towards a man in this instance, its a sexual assault thing)

[@yukilu602]

@@Thundawich^ this, well put together

[@Uhlbelk]

Having alcohol, doesn't make you unable to give consent.

[@leafyr0kr]

Serious topic, everyone listening close, and then that freaking slowed-down, pitch altered Yoda death scream at 13:54 I'M GONE

[@asquirrel2293]

Theres so much foreahadowing of xeno's defamation case in this video lol

[@davidl4312]

She also "had to stay in a dodgy place " because she couldnt find anywhere on such short notice, which tells me she had all intentions to stay at his place in the first place

[@bigbangattack97]

go read the texts bub lol "i dont want to go to your place" "theres a community movie going on" "if you come in ill respect your boundaries" -immediately starts beating off idk dude doesnt sound too outlandish or...uncommon. women get r worded a lot bud. be better.

[@itsprivate3061]

As a man, this is no lie some kind of nightmare, imagine this happens to you, some crazy chick that you dated makes this kind of accusation with nothing but her word as proof, you are fucking over dude

[@Kamasillvia]

Yeah, and like, grape is fucking awful, I totally get how terrible of a crime it is, and how awful are consequences for the victim, it's a very serious thing and it should never be tossed under the rug. But then, some crazy person could just accuse you out of the blue, that you could've even never been in relationship with. And that's it, it would take a lot of time to clear your name, because a lot of people would instantly jump you with hate train. And not everyone will have a good lawyer, a lot of people will get their life ruined forever.

[@Cybertech134]

@@jaybee4288 Fuck off. It happens all the time. Your ignorance would be laughable if its consequences weren't so dire.

[@coaster1235]

has xeno studied law or just read up on the stuff as a public streamer figure?

[@StormierNik]

Huh, interesting. Despite me reading her side and believing rich would do something like that, his side of the story makes more sense. Why would he try to knock her up out of anger if he didn't want to be in a committed relationship? And them having an argument about a long term relationship makes a lot of sense as to why he would tell her "You need to leave". Then also ask later "You okay". Because otherwise, who the fuck would assault someone and ask "You okay" afterwards? Of course she wouldn't be okay if he did it out of malice. She has more reason to bring him down than he has a reason to assault her. On one hand it's saying he wanted to assault her for a fetish. On the other hand, she wanted to ruin him for not being with her. Somehow, it feels like the truth is somewhere down the middle. It still feels like either side is hiding something said to make the other look worse. That other allegation with friend's boyfriend turned husband is also interesting. You would think that a friend's boyfriend, who did something like that, wouldn't end up becoming a husband from something done that was that awful.

[@MartinRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR]

Shoutout to mymicart for getting Ruan mei 23:28 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@sevserantine]

The thing some of the blame isnt on the content creators, its with the person that created that video and took very specific clips of their response to make their video sound cohesive. Overall its nothing you can really do because ppl take small clips as someone's entire position just like how Xeno's took the clips cut by HenryResilient at face value without looking to see what those streamers said in their entirety.

[@JigokuRose94]

7:53 I basically agree with you, hearing both sides is super important to form an opinion, but we still have the social problem that, for example, victims of sexual violence are very often not believed, so it's important to take every accusation seriously and show solidarity. Of course, it only adds fuel to the fire when reaction streamers react to it and there is only one side to the story.

[@Justaguywithglassesok]

correction: '' men who are victims of sexual violence are very often not believed'' a woman just needs to scream wolf and the whole pack comes kissing her feet believing her instantly.

[@lo.cherry]

It shouldn't matter what she "should" have expected or not when going over to his place. She mentioned several times she didn't want anything sexual happening. It shouldn't matter what their previous relationship was. Spousal rape is also a thing; so obviously, having regular sex with a person doesn't mean rape isn't possible. If at any time one of the party doesn't want to keep going, their wish should be respected. No means no. Period.

[@ThatOneNando]

I don't know why this guy censored as much as he did... those court documents are publically available to anyone.

[@atelierbagur3831]

To prevent from information being misused easily. Yeah its made public but not everyone is going to take ths time and effort to look into it themselves. The censoring makes sense

[@inb4loss]

I hope he's proven innocent, not just because it means nobody was raped, but also because it will be very amusing to watch Asmon and Tectone not react to this with all the shade they've been throwing his way for the last year in a, "yeah imagine knowing someone for years and then discovering they're a huge piece of shit" kind of way. Both have said damn near those exact words in a tongue in cheek way to refer to Rich throughout this past year in many of the videos on their react youtube channels. A lot of people are saying business decision this business decision that, staying away from bad PR, but that's no reason to antagonize and reference the situation like that throughout the year, especially if they had any idea that he could have been lawyering up.

[@trignite]

Asmon eluded to him asking rich about it and it seemed like they knew more about it than we did. Im not really sure how this will go. Personally I miss rich on the gameshows and he was a good host too. But obviously he will never go on OTK again. His streams were.. lacking with endless stalling, and I didn't enjoy watching the whole mia malkova arc but hey we will see what happens. I just wish people didn't give their take until we heard his side of the story and it makes no sense that this girl outed him on social media only after he was in a good position. People who attacked her are worse though, we dont know the full story yet.

[@inb4loss]

@@trignite alluded* Eluded is to be evasive. Also yeah, he said that at the very beginning before not talking about it. Who knows why. If I were to pontificate based off recently acquired information in this video, I would say he had some knowledge that there would be others dog piling on to accuse Rich so better to assume multiple people weren't lying than his one friend is telling the truth. It may be obvious from the initial post, but to clarify, I don't particularly care for any of them as a person get infrequent enjoyment out of their react content (it's hit or miss for me) and the most best outcome would be that it didn't happen at all, because no physical infringement of ones person would have occurred and it would be funny to watch them wiggle out of the uncomfortable spot they had put themselves in. Especially in light of all the other videos the pair have reacted to about legal esque stuff where they've come off high and mighty like 'this is why you should wait for the courts to form a verdict before jumping on the bandwagon'. This is obviously the correct thing to do, but they don't do it at all. To cite a most recent example of Tectone doing this is him reacting to the Dream pedophile allegations, where he also does some of the above mentioned 'imagine knowing a pos and not knowing it' stuff multiple times in that react video. I am most definitely not saying that removing him from the company was a bad idea though, obviously very standard operating procedure stuff right there.

[@Nyakomata]

Being proven innocent is also not a 100% truth that he didn't do it, just means he had better lawyers and many SA cases only have he said/she said as evidence. Truth is guilty or not, only those two will ever know because we do not have a time machine to see what actually happened.

[@inb4loss]

@@Nyakomata I mean sure? I don’t understand the value of your comment. Are you trying to say that if he is proven innocent in court that is of equal or lesser value to the statement that put him in this situation in the first place? What you said technically applies to everything. However everything doesn’t go through the court system, and I for one am going to have my score weighted toward the anything that comes out of the court system. No shade, btw. I read your comment initially like half a day ago and it bugged me and I couldn’t explain why. So any heat from the comment is from the forge of my figuring out how to articulate what was bothering me about what you said.

[@Nyakomata]

@@inb4loss more so that you have a hope that he potentially gets away with rape (because we will never know the real truth) so that you can watch some influencers "feel bad." Court system is not infallible. But feel free to keep being "amused," because assault and rape cases are entertainment apparently.

[@extinctbaryonyx]

Not the 'to be continued.'... Madge

[@kamaha0010]

Damn, Son gonna watch this and go "Why Dad 😢?"

[@dylian407]

I never looked into the drama to check what actually happened or who was lying. But holy shit

[@dragonitejc]

yeah they'll most likely settle, if not, it'll be a summary judgement. jury is definitely not gonna happen

[@Soulessdeeds]

How people reacted to Rich when he was accused is exactly how male soldiers in the military are treated. The military only cares about public perception so they immediately treat the male soldier as a criminal. This is why male soldiers especially guys in leadership positions, want nothing to do with being alone in a room with female soldiers. They actively request another male leader or a female leader they trust to be in the same room with female soldiers. I have seen more than a few male soldiers accused of things. And it turned out the guy didn't do anything. But by that point all the trust in that male soldier is already shit canned. Even if your proven innocent. You will always be surrounded by other peoples doubts no matter the facts. It's destroyed many careers and marriages. All because the military would rather save face than listen to both sides and take action accordingly.

[@ChainedFei]

The person who claimed that only 1% of accusations are false, as well a anyone who believes them, are full of crap. When it comes to these cases, it is very hard to prove one way or another, but the COURT tends to err on the side of caution.

[@ValkyrissaGaming]

No idea who's ultimately guilty and who has done something wrong, but please consider: We, men and women and folks in between, are all humans. We're all capable of nasty things and wicked schemes, regardless of sex/gender. So don't forsake the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" just because the accuser is a woman. -me, a woman

[@Double0Anims]

You should forsake that principle no matter who the accuser is. You can't assume someone is guilty if you don't have proof. You are right that people of both genders are capable and often willing to do atrocities, but that does not mean they DID do one. Innocent until proven guilty no matter who.

[@ValkyrissaGaming]

that is actually what I wrote - I just mixed up "guilty" and "innocent" :D I obviously meant *innocent until proven guilty*, not the other way around. English is not my first language.

[@Double0Anims]

@@ValkyrissaGaming Ah, ignore me then ^^ situation where the swap makes it a completely different statement lmao

[@AwefulWaffle88]

Can we get a 100k sub hair reveal?

[@Grimnoire]

Looking forward to this

[@hazardyoutube1121]

this is why i never said he was guilty need the results 1st all these freinds that did not have his back is sad

[@Oliander712]

Theory: Asmon/OTK cut off Rich asap so he could sue for damages, and take him back if he gets vindicated in court while protecting the company.

[@varezhka1320]

That's an interesting theory, I hope this is true, because so far it more sounds like OTK/Tips wanted Rich's position of CEO to take over and ghost him. Cause why would he say in his lawsuit: "The COO said the tweet doesn't get any traction, don't worry about it"

[@lovejuice-420]

i feel like he's going out of his way to say axe isntead of ask, cause he doesnt say axe everytime

[@tom8636]

xeems once again having the best takes on these situations

[@Starrky923]

59:00 that wasn't his point at all tho. Dramas usually just refer to internet petty issues and not legal discourse

[@IAmBatman369]

Why did they mark out the word "rape"? I'm sure it can be triggering but it's one of the primary topics of this discussion. Also marking it out and then verbally saying it aloud seems contradicting. The word itself is not meant to be malicious but to describe an act, however heinous it may be. There's a lot more to focus on here than just that, but it really stuck on me. Why do things have to be censored, and if they do why is it only half-way done?

[@kertgp8275]

This seems like ProJared all over again

[@Peaceful_Hermit]

I am inclined to believe the accuser, but I learnt my lesson from the Depp-Heard bs. Best to just wait and see what the court says.

[@marslara]

I think it's the healthy way to see these situations. Nobody should take anything at face value and assume it was 100% true but I don't think people should go so far the other way to say the person was automatically lying. Judgement should be held until everyone has gotten out what they need to say and it is handled by the law.

[@Deminese2]

I learned my lesson as a teenager. A girl falsely accused me of groping her to a gym teacher and the teacher asked other students first before accusing me and all of them within my group said they saw nothing happening. This shit happens way more than people think.

[@ninponighthawk]

i wont believe anyone, everyone lies. i will be happy to listen to what you said happened and ill be empathetic to your supposed plight but i will not blindly trust anyone without first hearing their side and any evidence supporting it. better to be safe then sorry.

[@cynthiahembree3957]

I like to look at it this way "that's horrible if it's true but how do I know I'm not being lied to". I don't believe things without proof

[@noway1668]

I took Moist Critical's "nothing to gain" comment to be directed toward the people harassing her, as in, they have nothing to gain from acting that way toward her.

[@rodimus580]

Rich the SKYFALLEN.

[@YungGokuOver]

😂

[@Starrky923]

A lot of axing in this video, I would be worried

[@XeikZone]

Are you Phoenix Wright my dude?

[@epsilontheadvent477]

Not all the way through the video, but I think Xeno is right besides the fact that he labeled all the creators that Henry showed as believers, but Henry showed not even a 10 second clip of each. Destiny, for example, never condemned Rich, he just said the evidence that he had viewed was pretty compelling after going over everything that was released and discussing it

[@ryankrenisky8252]

I automatically distrust people that use the word gaslighting. gut instinct

[@bosspaw4028]

Getting canned for allegations is complete BS. A company shouldn’t do that. Maybe wait to see evidence or a conviction perhaps? 😂

[@Ninos.D]

Aksed? ASKED!

[@jet44444]

Something is fishy for sure. Wonder what the security cameras show.

[@katernis]

Bruh, hers story did not added up completely. It's not like I am siding with Rich, but clearly something was not clarified or said enough. I wonder how this story ends. However, so far it seems that Rich will be only victim here.

[@KingLoggFrogg]

Rich’s lawsuit reads like it was written by a 14yr old

[@Brandonweifu]

Did you kean the lawsuit against rich? Cause that one sounded more a sneaky child accusing someone of something bad but it doesnt sound correct at all

[@ehko9989]

USA is kinda weird. You can actually file a lawsuit against someone for defamation based on another on-going lawsuit's claims ? Like you can sue someone for accusations you're currently being investigated on ? I don't really give a shit about the whole drama/lawsuit, but this part sounds so wrong to me. When another lawsuit is involved, you should only be able to sue someone for defamation after you're proven innocent.

[@mikekuzmicz8408]

What asmon said seemed like he was pretty much ditching Rich for the wolves. Even during the stream he said he saw the evidence and it was bad or whatever was the actual wording. Instead of waiting for proof he just ditched his friend. I dunno, if i had a friend like that i would never speak to them again. That is assuming rich is innocent. But seriously, i hate people like him who are just hypocrites, sauing they do one thing but do the other. ie innocent before proven guilty, he just proved hes just like the rest

[@Kanaleah]

​@@andreamarques8328I had that exact situation happen to me. Except it turns out the girl drugged my friend so he couldn't remember anything of the night she alleged he raped her. It was a pretty crazy case, but that girl was a total sociopath. Law enforcement even got involved but she couldn't stop getting caught in lies, sadly it still ruined my friend's life because most people automatically believed her. Many even thought that law enforcement failed her and did a terrible job investigating even though she constantly lied to detectives.

[@prod7906]

You know it's bad when a vile person like Asmongold thinks its bad, either that or the rat is just trying to save face

[@KorporateKotoo]

it sounded like Asmon wasn't especially surprised by the allegations and alluded to knowing "more information" when he commented on the situation. But, even if he is trying to help Rich, it's perfectly reasonable to create distance, business-wise, in these kind of situations. Just like it's in Rich's best interest to stay quiet until he can gather evidence and come up with a response, it's also in his best interest for Asmon to keep silent. He hasn't condemned Rich at any point either, he's waiting to hear more info like the rest of us.

[@Violent_Wolfen]

@@KorporateKotoo To me when someone alludes to having "more information", it means the person is full of shit. That's my experience however.

[@br1425]

He’s running a business. Why would he expose his entire empire to risk over allegations? There is no place for emotions when you are running an org and covering yourself on bad pr.

[@Til_What]

I certainly would prefer if Rich was innocent, but who even knows at this point. I don't care enough to pick a side, when there will never be enough solid evidence for either one.

[@anthonyandrade5071]

"Calling a woman a liar is the most brain dead perpetually online take" - Moistcritikal, the perpetually online youtuber/streamer lmao

[@Cascada200]

That guy is such an emotional loser. Can’t stand these wokes lol

[@Violent_Wolfen]

A guy who has also sided with liars and as of a Technicals video scammers it seems.

[@EmpyreanDreamer]

For me the thing which sealed his guilt in my eyes is Asmons response to it. He sounded so disappointed and defeated as well as making it very clear that he had much more information about it than was public at the time. There's also the fact that they didn't instantly boot out mizkif like this and if anything I would expect them to be more willing to back Rich than him, yet they didn't. I'm all for innocent until proven guilty but sadly this is something I can see Rich doing to some extent even if her story turns out to be exaggerated. Time will tell when we see his side.

[@thynErro]

You're trying to peer into Baldy's head like it's a crystal ball, I see. That's an awful lot of mind reading.

[@KingCrimeTime]

It seemed more like a "tired of dealing with this shit" tone since this happened almost right after the crazy slick stuff. Asmon gave a very PR answer.

[@Jo-zq8vt]

it's a PR stunt lol, after all the shit OTK went through that year, sexual assault/harrassment by someone under the org is probably the most damaging, that's why he responded like that. it's so obvious.

[@EmpyreanDreamer]

@@KingCrimeTime Well that's half of it for sure. I'd be tired of putting out fires too. But it also hits different when its one of your closest friends at the center of it.

[@miaomiiao]

Asmon has become so woke lately it's unreal. They guy is a total social justice warrior, that would gladly throw his friend to the wolves to avoid going against the narrative. I don't blame him tho, he has his companies and shit to keep afloat. But his opinion is worthless and hopefully he'll be proved wrong and rich will retaliate hard agains his betrayal. Good drama in the making

[@lskywalker5]

There are no sketchy hotels in chinatown lol

[@Ashuowl]

"There's nothing to gain" is a very bad take honestly, it's based in logic and reason sure. But not everything a person does is logical. There's a court case I remember where the guy was accused by multiple women of r*pe, but once it got to court there was contradictory statements, text messages that showed their true intents on lying due to not liking him, many of whom eventually came clean about them lying just because they didn't like the guy. One case the guy spent 100 days behind bars held behind a 500,000$ bond over and over because of false r*pe allegations.

[@taylon5200]

Thing I'm confused about, is what was left out in the opening statements through the twitlonger. Her being drunk. So in her own lawsuit against him, it boils down to "he s/a her because she was drunk, and couldn't technically give consent" vs "I didn't give consent, but he did it anyway" it's almost like she found out legally being drunk means you can't technically give consent, even if you do give consent and enjoy yourself, then things go down and you no longer get what you want, and she decided she had a case, even though she wanted to do it at the time. Change the story later over a technicality, to throw him under the bus. It first came out that it happened the first way, farmed sympathy, then all this time later staple "drunk, can't technically consent so you technically assaulted me legally, I'm mad at you and I have a case and you're fucked" does anybody understand what I mean? I'm all for innocent until proven guilty, due to me being falsely accused then I won my case because it didn't happen, but even outside that bias I'm on neither side. I just find her case odd, with the event timeliness and adding crucial info way later after the canceling of rich already happened, to now her court case says "he assaulted her because she couldn't legally consent (even if she did)"

[@spacecat278]

oh shit not the sequal bait lol, cant wait for more baldy looping xxf

[@proxy2149]

Lol did he really cut the part with the OTK ? that the best part of the video lmao they probably trick Rich to give up everything to kick him from OTK that so funny, he is afraid of the drama ?

[@swedishsteelgaming3353]

What is weard to me is that she is at a hotell, she could just walk out, there was personel at a call of a button. No saying. NO or pushing back, just that she had sex with him. Where was the push back before the act, i mean she wasnt passed out or not at her senses. I mean getting feeling of guilt after is a thing, but there is no really stop before the act. It sounds consentual until after the fact they had sex. She said NO 100 times but still follow him and got naked in the bed 🤔 but i know nothing.