Rich Hickey on Datomic Ions, September 12, 2018

[@protaties]

Great Talk. Rich Hickey is one of the most intelligent programmers.

[@andyfingerhut]

A transcript of this talk, with embedded images for slides with figures, is available here: github.com/matthiasn/talk-transcripts/blob/master/Hickey_Rich/DatomicIons.md

[@kap4020]

Thank you!

[@bloomingvision]

@7:34 - what is dorable? I am unable to find a definition for this word.

[@andysparsons]

Hi Brian- I believe Rich is saying "durable" as in immutable, persistent, etc.

[@bhurlow]

"everyone gets a brain" :)

[@bloomingvision]

Heh... The Wizard of Oz! :)

[@scarface548]

Wow he really aged.

[@alehatsman8550]

Too old and too tired. Hard times for Clojure...

[@Simon-xi8tb]

Maybe you are too young and too inexperienced. Best times for Clojure.

[@gzmask]

Wonder why you said that? This looks like a big step forward for Clojure in the Cloud.

[@alehatsman8550]

Simon, lei Shulang , Clojure language development is stuck. It still uses a process of jira pathes, in which patches waiting forever. People in the community have a lot of ideas about cleaning core libraries, moving functions, fixing problems, but everything is under control of just a few people. And they use such a shity process, that frustration makes developers give up. Look at the community, the frontend is far behind JS world. Clojrue backend and concurrency are behind Golang. What is the Clojure's niche? Clojure's lack of vision kills community. Look at the libraries, most of them are not supported for years. You can jerk off on Riches talks as much as you want, but that reality. Only fanatic nerds are still trying to use it. Cloud, I have no problems with the cloud with all technologies. Using modern orchestrators like kubernates, i don't care what language and technology are in my containers. Build and Deployment flows are the same. And not only using AWS but using any cloud. And I want you to take me right. I love Clojure as a language. But I don't like everything around it. It needs a fresh breeze. Some rebranding, becoming more open, by moving to GitHub, so that people will be able to participate in an environment they know, and so on and so on. What cognitect is doing instead is tries to sell you datomic...

[@alehatsman8550]

Benjamin Rood they are abortions of programming :)

[@herwighochleitner422]

@@alehatsman8550 But why change the language development process, if you love the language, instead of everything around it? Lots of libraries for Clojure are on github + you can do most things in libraries, that would need language changes in other languages. Maybe, Clojure being an unconventional Language calls for an unconventional development process, so that people won't try to cram everything into core, as would be necessary pretty much everywhere else ..