John Salley: ‘Winning Time’ Was NOT an Accurate Portrayal of Jerry West | The Rich Eisen Show

[@michaelfesinmeyer2061]

May not have been accurate, but it was damn sure entertaining.

[@ChreamOhWheat]

Facts lol

[@CJ-fn6mt]

Salley needs his own show!!! He’s knowledgeable, a legend, a baller and funny as hell!

[@jacobwatson1818]

And look up what Lisa Ann said about him.

[@tadah21]

@@jacobwatson1818 link?👀

[@jacobwatson1818]

@@tadah21 sorry, my basement flooded and while it wait for the pump to get everything out I was trolling some trump lovers, got my comments mixed up. Yeah lisa ann had some nice things to say about John Salley

[@tadah21]

@@jacobwatson1818 🤣🤣🤣

[@rbu2136]

You gotta plays those skits of sally. Hilarious. That Showtime Lakers show is excellent and fun. Totally worth watching, even if it’s more historical fiction that historical.

[@RobertDGordon]

That is a novel idea for winning time, they should keep the show going by going from Dynasty to Dynasty. Lakers - Celtics - Pistons - Bulls etc… that way you can introduce players as secondary characters and then show how they became superstars and champions.

[@DreamWriterInk4u]

Isiah should pop up next season...hopefully

[@dfjr1990]

Yes!

[@jeffmarlatt6538]

Great idea. They should make you one of the producers. That is a winning formula that would make for must see TV.

[@topcatmatt]

​@Jeff Marlatt yeah, but, who's gonna have the fucken balls to play MJ

[@heykrazy5436]

If they did they would just continue with the lakers

[@tucosalamanca5648]

Let's keep it real, Jerry West was very important to the Warriors and Bob Meyers Success!!!! Jerry is the man!!

[@shastealyomeal]

Made memphis an actual basketball team too Clippers Got Kawhi and PG13 Because Of Him

[@tucosalamanca5648]

@@shastealyomeal Yes 💯

[@stevewise1656]

I'm glad Sally said that about West. He was the best GM in all of sports...all sports. He built those teams and found talent in small schools. Other teams would follow West around the country to determine who he was scouting. Many times other teams would draft players West was going to draft.

[@phenton91]

It happened when TNT did their all time draft too. People kept picking everyone Jerry West was waiting to get lol

[@seanlangi3389]

He also put together the big 3 in Golden State as well, signing KD before leaving to the clippers. ALL TIME GM

[@larrycohen5553]

Red Auerbach was. Period. Obviously. Best after Auerbach got done with Bird/McHale/Parrish/DJ? maybe after that. Not even close.

[@jamespruitt3772]

Lmm

[@tgo007]

red auerbach changed the game. He signed black players no one would sign. Then everyone copied him and only signed black guys. Then red signed the white guys no one wanted. The best eye for talent in nba history.

[@Leo-gh7nz]

If I didn't know who Salley is and you told me he's 40, I'd totally believe you. It's crazy how well he's aged, does not look close to 58. It's not just the physical appearance, he's also managed to keep his voice and mannerisms "young" as well. To put things in perspective, Chuck Daly was 58 when the Pistons won their first title in 1989. Think about how old he looked and sounded.

[@asiatic1979]

That’s what being vegan does for you 💪🏽💚

[@wulfn7]

@@asiatic1979 That's what money does.

[@fp8901]

He does NOT look 40. I'll give him 49-50. That's 8 years off

[@iowa_lot_to_travel9471]

Chuck looked old back then

[@AlexG-tp2ik]

He just gives off young at heart vibes. He's got a great sense of humor and is like a big kid.

[@mcm2366]

The HBO Lakers show is hilarious. I love the ridiculous portrayal of Jerry West. Adrian Brody as Pat Riley 🤣 John C Riley is fantastic as always.

[@markaustin1917]

It’s not real but it’s really funny

[@triple6wolfi]

I've never seen it, wish they could've stayed more true, allegedly

[@johnghasri2561]

ya exactly... it's lol lol how angry West is... whether it's a true portrayal or not.. lol

[@chrissantos5580]

And it's cancelled 😅

[@mcm2366]

@@chrissantos5580 idiots for cancelling that show!

[@narddog355]

Great interview! Salley has some great stories that have you listening.

[@jomoguera2824]

Sal is 100% right about Jerry West when he says, "Without West they don't win." Plan and simple, Jerry West and Red are the two best evaluators of talent in the history of the NBA. And oddly enough the Lakers and Celtics have perhaps more championships than any teams in professional sports history. Why would they do a movie without hiring West as a consultant behooves me. Clearly, they would have done a better job in their portrayal of him.

[@smoketownlive3732]

Pop

[@joshuawoolridge8378]

They need a white guy to hate in it to make it sell I guess

[@phunkdoctaspock]

And he's 100% wrong about saying if he knew they were in the Bulls heads so much you would have never heard of Michael Jordan. Salley is a punk.

[@jdawg9137]

Plan and simple is hilarious to me.

[@flavanthensome]

You forgot about the Yankees

[@Rik3n]

I just listened to Mike Wilbon talk about John Salley earlier today, not knowing that the dude from Bad Boys was one of the Bad Boy Pistons. Wilbon said Salley was the funniest guy he ever covered in the NBA and now I can see what he was talking about

[@teamdunk2500]

Salley really is great to listen to.

[@robertc6226]

Love Salley. A fantastic ambassador for basketball and entertaining as hell. And for those of us who grew up in Atlanta in the 1980s, he and Mark Price will always be known as the players who brought Ga Tech from out of the wilderness to one of the most exciting teams of that era. I’ll always be grateful for that.

[@alanrobertson2952]

I definitely want to see a Bad Boy Pistons series.....

[@oliverdelica2289]

It would help humanize Isiah Thomas and Bill Laimbeer and emphasize a sense of brotherhood anong his team

[@charlesbelisle8606]

Maaaan id fuckin love to see who would play Rodman

[@justcametogetsomethingtoea948]

@@charlesbelisle8606yup!!!!!!

[@R__K]

Detroit needs the good press more than anyone. (Detroit... as in the city itself.)

[@marykuettner752]

@@oliverdelica2289 a closeup look at those two wouldn't be flattering

[@tyharris9994]

If HBO had any sense, they would actually do a winning time series for some of the other dynasties / rivalries. Wilt/ Russell? The Bad Boys. Shaq / Kobe ( when his family is ready for that. ) and for that matter, a Jordan era Bulls wining time. ( One where everything isn't being filtered through the PR machine of Jordan himself. ) This could be a 10 year franchise for them.

[@CalebWebster1218]

I think if Kobe was still alive, I would love it. With him gone people gonna bitch about how they portray Kobe. But that’s a good idea

[@sh0tym370]

John Salley had me hollering 🤣. He said Dennis Rodman should have been in Men in Black, I was done!!

[@Lakernation1990]

Cryin 😂😂😂

[@DreamWriterInk4u]

John is the best!!

[@harrycullen1643]

As an Alien ?

[@sh0tym370]

@@harrycullen1643 yes🤣👍🏽

[@slick82388]

John Salley is such a great personality. Imagine if he was on Inside The NBA or a regular on First Take with Stephen A.

[@enrique4159]

SAS doesn't deserve this guy besided molly and SAS would fell threatened .. the man has to much knowledge and brings on a comic take to first take.. first take is dead without Michael Irvin.

[@keithknox5829]

Brother Sal should have his own show! “Put some brothers on the wall, Brother Sal!”

[@punchawaterfall6302]

This man is 58 YEARS OLD. HE LOOKS 20 YEARS YOUNGER THAN THAT

[@TheFn414]

This man dont look 38 😂 Deff like 45 50 high end.

[@discosecret6363]

He’s a vegan, that’s why.

[@discosecret6363]

@@TheFn414 let me guess, you’re 20?

[@TheFn414]

@@discosecret6363 32. 👍🏽

[@melreslor2114]

John Salley has been following a vegan diet for quite a few years, seems like he's only 10 years out of the league.

[@frozenking07]

John Salley is one of the few athletes I always felt belonged in sports media. He’s quick witted, funny, well spoken. I remember when he used to pop up on Mike n Mike, I always thought he should’ve been the 3rd co-host because of the great chemistry the 3 of them had on air

[@LaserRanger15]

Why doesn't John have a show in one of these networks? He's very bright and entertaining

[@newagain9964]

He’s doesn’t do crazy hot takes and smear ppl.

[@markmcknight9927]

I love John . He’s such an honest guy. He’s very good at telling the stories. Entertaining and insightful.

[@ericmcmillan2831]

I've already respected Salley. He's an individual, nonconformist and he's also very articulate. Solid dude.

[@916Smoke]

Except for the shirt. That shirt is BS.

[@justinshively9530]

@@916Smoke what about his shirt pisses u off?

[@916Smoke]

@@justinshively9530 who said I was pissed? The shirt is nothing but drivel.

[@mshat18]

That shirt tells otherwise. His views are the same as every CEO and Most politicians in this country.

[@mr.brenman2132]

@@justinshively9530 It's virtue signaling fallacious garbage. How do you not know that?

[@analyticalinsight]

Salley is a gem...He & I have a strong mutual friend...This dude is one of the coolest people in the world...

[@illwillsick13]

I love John Salley, I really do but he came in the league 85' or 86' how would know how someone was or acted 7+ years before he was in the league... people change.

[@wileyguy85]

What's funny about Sally's last comment about how Rodman sb in MIB is that he was referenced at the end of the movie. He was revealed to be an alien 🤣

[@ramsesstafford4640]

I don't even think a lot of people realize that Daddy Rich name that John Salley gave Chuck Daly comes from the character that Richard Pryor played in the movie Car Wash.

[@slabpanda]

Winning Time could be an excellent show to keep going for years. Show the Celtics side of the current show, show the bad boy Pistons, the 90's Bulls, the 2000's Lakers. So many great dynasties with drama, tailor made for TV.

[@leftydrizel1842]

That's is the truth. The NBA characters would be greatvtv. They already are!! They could keep winning time up until present day. I'd watch.

[@alifrombenhill3374]

Some people are just naturals in front of a camera. And the good hosts and interviewers know to let a good guest just talk. A few prompts and John gave him way more than Rich would've even thought to ask.

[@MrDphudson1]

Great observation. That's what a great interviewer does.....yRich understands you are not the star.

[@alifrombenhill3374]

@@MrDphudson1 exactly. Because of how big anchors became in the 80s and 90s with rise of ESPN, CNN. They were different from the traditional Ted Koppel, etc. It was a new age with more personality. But those people like Berman, Patrick, Chung, etc were just a new generation. They weren't forcing it. Now, every interviewer and anchor wants to be a star like them but they overdo it, don't write their own stuff anymore, don't really care about what they report, and talk more than the guest. Everyone now wants to be Rich and Stuart, etc.

[@sandmaniv]

@2:13 can't believe they didn't mention Joe Dumars... or did he have a nickname in there?

[@peterwilliams2858]

Salley is fantastic. Great player and maybe even better as a TV guy. Love listening to his stories.

[@johnnevillehankey9479]

4:18 “We were pissing a lot of fathers and grandfathers off,” is the best part. Hands down.

[@AntiMTVMovement]

MIB 1 did mention Rodman at the end

[@joseyeastwood]

Of course they exaggerated Jerry’s temper he couldn’t have been that crazy the actor who plays Kareem i feel captured his personality stoic quiet and extremely intelligent John C Reilly as Dr. Buss is amazing even the kid who plays Magic is great it’s a really good show.

[@shect1]

Ignoring for a second how much creative freedoms they took with that show, the story is about more than a championship basketball team. It's about taking the risks and changing the whole experience of a basketball game into a show. I don't think there's a real story to tell with any other NBA team after that

[@dontheavatar]

Last Dance didbit better

[@TheAceKannon]

@@dontheavatarthat was a documentary tho. Different types of projections famo

[@artmore6848]

I honestly feel like most of these guys did not watch the show. Jerry West came across as passionate and really most peoples favorite character. Dr Busse was portrayed great by John C Reilly and even delivered a great sad performance especially with the last 2 episodes dealing with his Mom.

[@sbdoubleoo2482]

Yeah they most def judging it off the the first few episodes.

[@maddymud]

Salley being part of Pistons/Bulls/Lakers - what a run

[@marshalberger4250]

I want the winning time bad boy pistons! How do we make this happen!

[@bigbabysld]

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!

[@jdrayton7224]

Let's do it

[@gjwilliams4098]

Same way we made the first one happen.

[@Sir0prime]

They were supposed to incorporate them into the show at the end of season two… before it got canceled 😡

[@dd_doesit]

we need a winning time with Shaq and Kobe during their 3 peat and finish it with the 04 finals

[@paullmight42]

rodman WAS in MIB...or at least mentioned, i think

[@RLSmith-jt8qj]

not much of a disguise.

[@dinewalton]

I don't know why anybody gets mad about Jerry West and Winning Time. After watching Winning Time, Jerry West now looks more likeable and a cooler guy to me.

[@farcry8025]

that's to you, you cant tell Jerry west how a portrayal of himself should make him feel.

[@juniorhernandez3347]

“I turned 40 again, it’s my 18th anniversary” 😂 good one

[@geekverve]

Sal's awesome, and I love hearing stories like that about Dennis Rodman.

[@blackout2430]

Stick to your own kind

[@tomservo5607]

The best Dennis Rodman story comes from Billy Corgan from the Smashing Pumpkins. They’ve been friends for years and Dennis came to town looking to hang out. They were in a club enjoying the night when Billy realized Dennis took off without saying a word. The next day Dennis was all over the news standing next to Kim Jung Il over in North Korea.

[@freshparkfilms]

I'll never understand why they canceled that show CWINNING TIME" fucking great show loved it ❤ 😢I'll miss it so much and it shows you the state of the industry now and one of the downfall effects of streaming 😢

[@henryvargas5833]

I loved this show !! I hate that it ended . Wish they would renew for a new season and finish it up with the Pistons and Bulls

[@corycarter1195]

Love Sally! I agree that West wasn’t like that and they hollywooded it up for entertainment value but it’s what kept me tuning into the series.

[@zakeehoward1733]

Lol how would he know he wasn't even in the nba

[@trinablonde]

I want a show on the Pistons RIGHT NOW

[@i.n.o6425]

I love Jerry west irl and I loved Jerry west in the show he was by far the best character

[@steveprether9363]

Love John Salley - smart, funny and a great communicator. Great to see him.

[@fkillah]

judging by his shirt, no

[@hameed]

@@fkillahcry

[@biniam6655]

Never a dull moment with Mr Sally. Start your own once a week podcast man. Easy money.

[@GHOST91141]

That would be a cool idea if they kept running with the Winning Time thing & do 80's Pistons, Celtics, 76ers and finish it up with Jordan 80's Bulls run

[@rickyiglesias5384]

you mean 90s Bulls? 80s Bulls didn't do much.

[@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO.]

Loving how this season they're also kinda making it a Celtics story as well. Bird has had a good amount of screentime this season.

[@damienlahoz]

Sick of the dry, point to point, sports documentaries. Winning time is a breath of fresh air far as im concerned.

[@jpesicka492]

They did Chick Hearn dirty too. But I thought it was entertaining.

[@justinshively9530]

✊

[@user-dc7um4pr3f]

Salley should tell this story to JJ redick. He's been talking a lot about how guys had other jobs like being firemen or plumbers as if to imply they could barely hack it playing basketball. Some of those jobs make you even tougher. Rangling cattle like that? No wonder he got every loose rebound. Man was a machine.

[@ronniescott4836]

Jj reddick is referring to guys from the 50s and 60s. Not the 80s and 90s

[@SupaNatural28]

Redick was talking about the 60s and 70s in Cousy Era.

[@dextew69]

You just read the head titles of those news and not really read jj full statement. Dont be a sheep to the media and make your own conclusion.

[@SupaNatural28]

@@dextew69 not even read. He could've easily watched that whole Redick and Mad Dogg debate period. The debate came about when Russo said Bob Cousy was a better PG than Chris Paul.

[@Jkev24]

@@SupaNatural28 no, Redick was referring to the 50s

[@theangrycowb0y]

The "Bad Boy" Pistons would make for a cool series. The "White House" Cowboys would also be pretty neat.

[@sirjer73]

The late 70s early 80s Reggie Jackson Yankees, the Oakland Raiders late 60s thru mid 80s, and the mid 80s Mets teams to round it off!!!!

[@konstantinkoverchenko9587]

The nails were perfect, LOL!!!

[@El_Bueno]

How the Fk would Salley know how West was in 79? He wasn’t there. West in winning time is freaking awesome.

[@chelakkthewookiee]

Love Salley so much, he just seems like he;d be an awesome guy to hang out with and hear all the old stories...

[@deanouellette1868]

Actually, the original "Men in Black" identified Dennis Rodman as an alien.

[@dylan4342]

Winning time was probably inaccurate but I still enjoyed it knowing it wasn’t 100% true

[@Chrisyork21]

Funny enough at the end of the Men in black movie they do say Dennis Rodman is an alien

[@NoellaScott]

Not 👏 a 👏 documentary! The way each reacted - Magic deflecting with that smile, Kareem getting deep and picking it apart, and Jerry getting mad and threatening to take it to the Supreme Court - shows you how they're relatively close to how they were portrayed. It's exaggerated, and over the top at times to its detriment in my opinion, but geez.

[@johnbrowntheprophet]

It makes for great TV, though. 👍🏻

[@NoellaScott]

@@johnbrowntheprophet For sure. You'd think they'd understand that, all being basically entertainment icons...

[@SmartDave60]

Great points!

[@Sinreher]

Being a douchebag and having dignity are two different things.

[@monica93304]

Spider is so awesome. Please bring him in more often.

[@ChrisMorganComedy]

You can tell that they haven't watched the series all the way through and all they've watched the first two episodes

[@rulerzigzag]

Literally every time anyone criticizes Winning Time, we have these weirdos in the chat that act like they know those people more than people who've met/interacted with them lol

[@ChrisMorganComedy]

@@rulerzigzag sure I guess haha I mean you know more than me... I'll let magic know you're standing up for him next time I see him

[@MajorTuddy]

@@ChrisMorganComedy pls do and when ur talking to him let him know bird was better

[@ChrisMorganComedy]

@@MajorTuddy bird might be the best

[@anthonygraham8122]

@@ChrisMorganComedy no

[@showdown2006]

The show is just entertainment value. I wouldn’t look to this for any historical reference.

[@seanboy1287]

Rodman was referenced in MIB

[@EmiliosFather]

So where did they get the shlit from? Naw,he was that,it’s just something he wishes stayed in the past…but that show is GREAT

[@dmblum1]

John Salley is one of the most insightful and interesting players ever.

[@azcop2]

Winning time is entertainment and not an historical documentary showing the actual people during the depicting scenes.

[@dh3279]

I have to admit, John Salley is a fantastic interviewee!

[@superdopehiphop]

I’ve been saying the same thing whole time. They did Jerry West so wrong. Fun show, but def got some stuff wrong. John Salley always a fun interview who is a clowner with dope stories and no filter!

[@pastornunja2513]

A bad boys show would be great bruh 😂😂

[@vasantos-re4hb]

Can we just say Salley is a tall glass of water? He stretches all the way to the desk.

[@springfieldbearpatrol2937]

Wow what a great interview. Salley is hilarious.

[@zekelucente9702]

Always loved John Salley.

[@tomascarrizo2080]

Winning Time is enjoyable to watch, its fun, hilarious, exagerated. If it is not historical accurate I don't care, I hope the tone will be kept for the next season

[@broadwaybiz211]

❤

[@stevenglansberg1822]

They were portrayed that way for a reason. The double standard is the only reason there’s not major backlash.

[@Lancelotxxx]

We need a nba tv serie about the years 88 to 91 with bulls, pistons, lakers and celtics game of throne style

[@elschnorro1742]

Awesome Shirt! Where can I buy it?

[@robertk2007]

It's entertainment show not, a documentary

[@PRBoricua23]

Best Damn Sports Show Period! I miss John Salley.

[@kraig7777]

I'll never get tired of listening to John Salley talk about Denis Rodman lol

[@waynegreen7970]

I like how John slipped that in. "I'm like Farrakhan."

[@Victor-Vargas]

You mean to tell me that dramatizations are not 100% accurate?? Wow who would've guessed

[@jimmyestrella1059]

its unreal that Salley just turned 58, man looks incredible...i gotta hit the gym

[@otiscorn4538]

Where is the Bad Boy doc? It has to happen.

[@bradgaines]

I love how all the former Pistons downgrade Jordan...except Rodman.

[@benniesngreen]

Watch the pregame to 1990 ECF game 3. Salley says he didn’t know but MJ was not speaking to the press and his teammates were wondering aloud if they could ever beat DET. Pistons had beaten them like 20 of 24 games.

[@philipobi4136]

Please where can I watch the “winning time” series or show that Salley mentioned

[@jault8480]

Did he just say we would never hear about Michael Jordan? These Detroit piston guys are still delusional.

[@stephenswaim]

Rodman was mentioned at the end scene in MIB as an alien from Solaxiant Nine.

[@joejoiner8582]

How well did Salley know West in 1980 to say that his depiction wasn't accurate

[@mikeyposs3132]

Because he has a brain , ears and eyes!

[@tinyheartspaces5822]

At the end of Men In Black they did say something about Dennis being an alien

[@tealsquare]

It was a dramatisation, not a documentary

[@daharos]

Rodman is one of the greatest defenders in NBA history, but people act like he was the first non-big averaging 20 rebounds per game or what not. Lakers and NBA Great who was Jordan before Jordan... Elgin Baylor, and he scored to boot. Small Forward that could average 25+ ppg and 15-20 rebounds.

[@mrmacross]

Well, the thing to remember is that rebounds per game reflect pace of the game and number of missed shots. In Baylor's best rebounding season, the pace in the league was about 127 possessions per game, average FG% was below 42%. When Rodman peaked at 18.7 rpg in 1991-1992, the pace was only 97 possessions per game, average FG% was over 47%. So in Baylor's time, there were so many more missed shots per game to be rebounded because of the extra possessions and worse shooting. The 20 rebounds per game people talk about now is reflective of today's slower game (last season was 98 possessions) and better shooting. At the rate Rodman was rebounding in his prime, he could've grabbed nearly 30 a game in the 1960.

[@dontnonowuno9953]

There was like 10 teams when Elgin dominated.If you were 7ft tall you'd of been an all timer too in those years😉

[@esnoob2282]

winning time is entertaining and also the cinematography of the series was good comparing to other bball series.

[@CezrDaPleazr]

I really hope Winning Times shows IT and them but also keeps going during MJs era as well, this show can so do much to showcase the stars of the past

[@projoebiochem]

Salley sitting in that chair illustrates the plight of every tall guy trying to live in the world designed for average sized people.

[@ARIZJOE]

Long Tall Salley, a very bright guy who played many years, telling the public they had Jerry West all wrong. The West character could have been so much more, Zeke from Cabin Creek to the low score at the Bel Air CC. Jerry West is sophisticated, complicated, and a winner. Too bad those producers know nothing of basketball.

[@jamessam1930]

Where can I get that t shirt that repeats mainstream media talking points?

[@carlbaumeister3439]

Great storyteller.

[@dennisstrand5566]

Jack Mckinney was protracted wrong, he was not like that at all, when Mckinney was in Portland as Ramsey assistant coach, the players would go to him for help and guidance.