Fans STILL Talking about the Bills’ 4th Down Play Is Not Good for the NFL, Right? | Rich Eisen Show

Rich Eisen reacts to Bills GM Brandon Bean’s comments on the controversial 4th down measurement in the AFC Championship game that went against Buffalo.
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[@KerygmaOvenbird]

Goodell after Saints no call said, “Whenever officiating is part of any kind of discussion post-game, it's never a good outcome for us ...”. That was six years ago. Enough is enough.

[@johnsmith-ug5tp]

They just gotta get their anti brady over the hump. Just one more rigged game and then the technology will be used.

[@awturbosp]

@@KerygmaOvenbird it’s always going to be part of it. They’re humans and KZbin commenters are humans (hypothetically). Y’all would still be crying and saying the chip was lying because he was short. Should you remove refs from all sports? Just call balls and strikes with computers in baseball. The technology will be there eventually to do it all. Refs are also part of the game. Quit trying to sanitize it down just because you disagree with a call that didn’t have enough evidence to be turned over.

[@shadycarry]

comparing those 2 scenarios is insane

[@josephpierce6249]

Then stop whining about imaginary slights. Both teams have missed calls and advantageous spots. Play well enough to not make it a decision by the refs.

[@KerygmaOvenbird]

@@shadycarry read the quote “whenever officiating is part of any kind of discussion postgame…” I didn’t say it. I’m not making a comparison. We should see action by the NFL if they really feel this way is all since we are constantly talking about officiating postgame.

[@HumilityisaVirtue]

Betting has hurt the game more than I realized.

[@kentsawatzky4252]

I absolutely agree with that they made that bad they have to sleep in it

[@bry84guy]

what? humans can't be trusted? no way

[@Lardlad_]

Questionable calls and appearances of rigged games was always going to be the end result of legalized sports betting.

[@jr9232k]

Agreed. It should never have been allowed. It creates controversy when it shouldn’t exist.

[@brandonsmith9815]

I love betting on games. But only with my friends or co-workers. The apps really hurt the game

[@spectralnighttravel]

The commissioner is kept up at night by gambling scandals, yet jumps into bed with sportsbooks? Not buying any of that.

[@pretzelhunt]

officiating gambling scandals go back way further than sportsbooks as advertisers. dont think that theyre equal.

[@danieljoseph9439]

The commissioner is just a figure-head. The fall-guy. The owners bet on their teams.. that is why being an owner is so coveted and prestigious.

[@Book-Gnome]

The third down play before the 4th down play was even worse.

[@johnsmith-ug5tp]

YEP!

[@johnsmith-ug5tp]

There shouldnt have been a 4th down play!

[@evanharnett]

Kincaid made the 1st down before. Refs didn't spot that one correctly either.

[@facestabber51]

Bills could have challenged. End of the day Bill's coaching was not as talented as the other sideline.

[@BigE-747]

The Chiefs posession before that was worse than both, Bills jump offsides and Chiefs got called for false start, 3rd and 15 instead of 3rd and 5. But go ahead and pretend only the Bills got bad calls ya little babies!😂

[@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle]

What is being missed is Kincaid, on the previous play, also had a first down. The spot was horrendous. Even if he didn't get it, it was far closer than the spot that was given. That was twice in a row. This, and how the critical moment always seems to go the chief's way, is why fans won't let it go, and it's annoying but understandable. The number of breaks in critical moments is starting to go beyond random variance, and that is why the nfl has a problem and has to deal with it even though it is nearly certain nothing shady is going on. In the military, they talk about an "appearence of inpropriety" is just as bad as something real even if it isn't true. That is what we have here.

[@kathleenlange1823]

So is your solution to tell refs to call all plays to go AGAINST the Chiefs to stop the complainers? How long before the other side complains enough to send it back the other way. Any attempts to influence how refs call is not good.

[@mistfitsable]

@@kathleenlange1823 not against the chiefs. But the benefit of the doubt when it comes to ball spot should be in favor of the offense. Josh definitely got that ball over the line. He didnt pass the line to gain but he was directly over it in every still frame and slow mo replay I have seen. One ref (the closer one with a better view) called it a 1st down with the spot we all saw in the replays. The other line judge came from across the back side and called it short. Why did the umpire decide to go with the short of line to gain spot call instead of the 1st down call knowing it likely was going to be too close to overturn? Makes you think..

[@kathleenlange1823]

@ the line superimposed by TV is not accurate. They point this out frequently. The only directly overhead view I saw (assuming it was not AI or somehow messed with) showed Allen’s head and a little bit of back shoulder over the line. He was holding the ball tight to his chest AWAY from the line. The ball was the depth of his chest short of line to gain. Again the TV line is not exact, so who knows. I’m sure had the call been 1st down Bills, it would not likely have been overturned. My main point was really that darn near every game the Chiefs win, if there is a controversial call, people scream about cheating on the refs part (if not the Chiefs themselves). There are iffy calls and outright wrong calls in every game and there is no complaining after a few days. People chalk it up to human error. They can electronically track the ball, but how do you track player body parts that may be down before the ball crosses etc. We see only a 2-D image of a 3-D event--not sure how satisfied viewers will ever be when their team loses. Also people assume that call cost the game. Unless it’s a TD called back a single play can never be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have cost a game. It surely is easy to believe it though. I live in STL. We hated the Patriots and thought the refs cheated for them. Looking back at replays now, you see missed stuff on both sides--but it still seems the Pats got an unfair amount of calls their way. Life has never been 100% fair and I doubt it can ever be made that way. Unfortunate as that is

[@TexasRed59]

@@kathleenlange1823 You are missing the point. What he is saying is that these plays, which are either fouls that never happened or fouls that did happen and were ignored always favor the Chiefs. They never seem to go against the Chiefs. That is this point! People want a clean game, not a game that seems to favor one team over another.

[@retrocny5625]

@@kathleenlange1823 Overhead angle isn't direct 90 degrees looking straight down. Can't be certain of accuracy there. One of the very first replays CBS showed immediately after the play, was from the camera on the 1st down markers. Looking straight down the line to gain. By definition it can't really be inaccurate. They zoomed in the camera, they played it as slowly as they could and during the play Josh gets a bit of a 2nd effort and during that bit of forward progress, about the first 2-3 inches of the ball passes through the line to gain. He's got the ball clutched to his chest, but the nose of the football is really in his left armpit or under his left shoulder. Well, almost the entire left half of his body from the waist up was over the line. I really haven't talked to anyone who's watched the game, like one of these guys was saying, who didn't think it was. All the CBS guys, Gene Steratore and Romo & Nantz, all agreed it was a first down. What people want to know is WHY the line judge ahead of the play, who could see the ball, was coming in to mark it as a first down....but the down judge(I think?) was coming in from behind the play, who had no view of the ball, ruled it short and overruled the line judge. Why was his call the one they went with if he didn't have the best view? I haven't heard anyone explain that. The ruling on the field was wrong and because it takes a lot to overturn a call on the field, especially in a situation like this, they weren't gonna overturn it. In my view it's a first down, and I think it would've been ruled one in pretty much any regular season game this year, or possibly if this game was being played in Buffalo because I've always felt the home team gets a little more benefit of the doubt in these kinds of situations. Not always, but usually it feels like. Just doesn't sit right with me. It's not even to argue that the Bills would've won if it was, still loads of time in the game, no guarantee the Bills score points there, but the Chiefs benefitted massively from this call and they really shouldn't have.

[@krw73]

So the commissioner said he stays awake at night worrying about her gambling scandal yet it’s not worrisome enough to do anything about it. The fact that gambling has become so public and prominently marketed is ridiculous.

[@rexfordmorgan7552]

or just oh i don’t know, hire full time refs that are not 60? Gosh all those sleepless nights……

[@elrealamericanhero]

@@krw73 the commissioner burned the spygate tapes, tried to sweep up the ray rice tape, and had nothing to say about Robert Kraft’s involvement with a prostitution ring. if anything, when it comes to him gambling, his ‘staying awake’ is because he’s anxious as in excited about his own bets.

[@milosmitrovic204]

He stays awake hoping the refs dont come out saying they were told to rig it

[@newtonbrook]

I am boycotting the Super Bowl.

[@sdsmt99]

Oh no, not you. They'll probably call it off now.

[@dr.penguin9412]

If the chiefs win with bs close calls that should’ve went to the other team, I’m pretty sure their ratings will plummet after that.

[@johnstuckert3292]

Kincaid went a full foot further than Allen did before that knee hits turf. I'm no bills fan, I just have eyes.

[@evosmith12]

They only had the ball bc refs missed the offsides on bills and instead chiefs got called for false start. You can’t whine like a baby about a bad spot when you literally got the ball bc of a gain of 10 yards from a different bad call.

[@EnterpriseNCC-1701]

The go by a players knees hitting the ground. Also it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[@DyslexicIm]

That one was on McDermott not challenging the spot. He had the power in a key moment to change a bad spot and didn’t.

[@BuffaloMotivated]

Appreciate you bro! Glad it’s not just us who feel sickened by those refs game changing calls.

[@Khm89787]

Go on nfl plus, slow that play down and you’ll see that kincaid was 💯 short when his elbow hits

[@DaveyMH]

The 4th quarter of the Bengals v Chiefs championship game in '23 has scarred me forever, I will always be suspicious of these refs steering playoff games for the Chiefs.

[@thepepperlanders]

I felt the same way watching Nick Bosa being held in 2 Superbowls. It was obvious and I thought WTF?

[@MrCleonwarrior]

Allen & Kincaid crossed the line to gain Packer fan btw

[@morecrayonsplzmcw4836]

😂😂😂😂

[@garrettedwards7291]

Make it easier for the refs to know it's a 1st down next time

[@aidencook774]

No one cares who you’re a fan of…

[@Dakotabrewer166]

Lmao no they didn’t

[@josephcorbridge5421]

@@garrettedwards7291 That is not how it works. How it works is when the ref that sees you get it clearly, with an unopposed view, and he signals it a first, you give them the first. Not the official that has his line of sight blocked and ends up spotting the ball back a foot. That may have been one of the dumbest comments I have read concerning this specific down. Wow.

[@lufi3006]

Dont not forget they also moved the spots back a yard a denied first downs on numerous other times during the game

[@calebreasons]

No they didn’t

[@cablesimple]

I was saying exactly this throughout the game. It didn't' impact the game as much but there was an Amari catch I distinctly remember where he clearly had the first and then it was 2nd and 1.

[@lufi3006]

@cablesimple Rob Fulton has made a very interesting video ....Refs help KC again ... shows what I mean

[@buffalowilliam17]

The James Cook play where he gained 11 yards and was spotted for 9 was the most obvious. Cooper had one also.

[@BuffaloMotivated]

Appreciate you bro! Glad it’s not just us who feel sickened by those refs game changing calls.

[@vladdkristmanov3057]

Rich made the most important point about the significance of millions of people (not just NFL fans) seeing a bad call in the Super Bowl: it looks like a reality show. Its fake. Its rigged. No different than the soap operas my mother-in-law watches. And that doesnt even begin to touch the significance of the gambling aspect. The NFL needs to be about the game, not entertainment.

[@MAG-li5jo]

Rich works for the NFL. He does not want to lose his job.

[@Book-Gnome]

Anyone who says there is no pattern of key calls benefitting KC is willfully blind

[@morecrayonsplzmcw4836]

😂😂😂

[@frankiegarcia1810]

Na you just a whiner 😂😂 it was a regular called game yall sound dumb

[@homeguardster]

you still complaining about players smashing their helmet into mahomes and getting flagged?

[@bas__nm]

anyone who says the chiefs are the only team that benefits from questionable calls are equally blind

[@BigE-747]

Anyone saying there is a pattern is willfully stupid.

[@richardroll5144]

As someone who grew up in Buffalo and has traveled the world...People from Buffalo are the most stubborn, resilient people in the wolrld. Call them losers..they keep coming. A failure city.. have at it. Nobody ever thought Buffalo that they should just give up....they keep going......

[@nagee76]

Agreed. M.S. in Computer Science, class of 03, UB..I.lived in Buffalo for 2 years only but I concur with your comments. That being said, the Bills have made a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory... Smartness is important as well, not just resilience. I am back home in India, I never thought I would follow an American football franchise of a small town half way across the world even more closely than the Indian cricket team... The Bills owe it to the people of Buffalo (who are the most loyal fanbase anyone can find) to get over the hump.

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

As a Raider fan this call, and several more this season, didn't surprise me, at all. NFL got the team they wanted in the Super Bowl.

[@mathewdistefano2489]

Reminds me of the tuck rule patriot’s favoritism for two straight decades, indeed.

[@donhawkins3461]

ESPN IS SHAMELESS ! Every single show defended the referees!!!

[@JT-jh6go]

espn gaslights all of us with the narrative "the chiefs are just head and shoulders above anyone else," meanwhile this game, and most other games this season they legit won by one score lol how are they THAT much higher? AND they get all the calls and riggs their way

[@christhompson6010]

@@JT-jh6go Lol...what are they suppose to say ? "the game is rigged so no one watch football" and watch their ratings tank and get disciplined by the NFL for pushing conspiracy theories?

[@BuffaloMotivated]

Appreciate you bro! Glad it’s not just us who feel sickened by those refs game changing calls.

[@markkostka6897]

Nope. Every single show kept replaying stuff saying how it impacted the game and was controversial. How much did you lose?

[@dennisfite9511]

Nobody's talking about the third down play that Kincaid also made the first time

[@evosmith12]

They only had the ball bc refs missed the offsides on bills and instead chiefs got called for false start. You can’t whine like a baby about a bad spot when you literally got the ball bc of a gain of 10 yards from a different bad call.

[@kcnoise]

How about the false start that was really an offsides on the Bills?

[@jameswesterman9283]

Even if Allen got a first down, does anyone think the bills wouldn't have choked it away later

[@icedbuffalo5399]

The NFL's silence on this seems like an admission of guilt.

[@vincenttalley5938]

It’s not fixed … It’s massaged …

[@TheAireaidLord]

my new favorite phrase since Bill Burr said it. 100% hahaha

[@ic5319]

It's not fixed, but every close call in critical moments seems to go the Chiefs way...

[@divadnialb]

Somehow Mahomes FAR IN A WAY has the most turnovers overturned by penalties. Any other QB dances on the sideline maybe a 50/50 call, Mahomes does it…feels like 90+% he will get the call and if the defense doesn’t hit him, he gets the first down

[@Rueler18]

@@divadnialb its almost like if you watched the games you would see that he just chucks the ball up when he sees the defense jumps offsides

[@homeguardster]

@@ic5319 none of these moments were critical

[@nonenone1534]

Momentum is everything. The officials deliberately gave control to KC in the most critical part of the game. NFL needs to address ASAP!

[@larry2281]

People seem to ignore the fact the entire trajectory of the game changed after the 2 1st downs were taken away.

[@EnterpriseNCC-1701]

With 13 minutes left? What happened with 3 minutes left with the ball in Buffalo's hands?

[@nonenone1534]

@@EnterpriseNCC-1701 There were 10 min left. Bills could have gone up by 8 pts. Makes for a much different end of game strategy. Try to think outside the box.

[@patrickwilliams6677]

They also could have turned the ball over on the next set of downs. Quit pretending like that they took a TD away on that play. ​@nonenone1534

[@jimmytheweed4978]

​@@nonenone1534at the 50 yd line...absolutely no guarantee of any points..."outside the box" more like outa your mind

[@dnottis]

"call it for the chiefs... we need Taylor Swift at the Super Bowl"

[@AldrickRosas2765]

Media: Browbeats anyone who dare question if a clear first down was a first down all week long Also media: "Why are these wacky conspiracy nuts still talking about the first down call?"

[@BackJack450]

"Clear first down"

[@fillupsherman]

It wasn't clear at all. If he made it then it was as close as it gets, tip of the football, which means it's not clear.

[@Baconmonster723]

​@@fillupshermaneven live Staretore said he got it by a third of the football. So I mean, sounds like a bad call was made and it was quite clear to a multiple decades tenured ref. So, I dunno, maybe you're wrong?

[@fillupsherman]

@Baconmonster723 hmmm... So if one person thinks one thing, and somebody else another, how does that effect the clearness of something? What about that makes things clear?

[@343Films]

_"All NFL teams are equal, but some are more equal than others."_

[@kcnoise]

Yes, because Kansas City is one of those must-have markets. That’s why it took 50 years to get back to the Super Bowl.

[@too1leasy]

"Correct calls good, Chiefs winning better."

[@MythicMindScape21]

​@@kcnoiseThey weren't but with the biggest pop star in the world in the crowd and prior to this year number one in jersey sales they became that. It's not the market or the city , it's how much profit they make the nfl. If everyone is buying stone cold Steve Austin shirts he gets the push.

[@twinturbo3374]

Idiotic for Rich’s staff member to say “the technology has to be perfect before they use it!” I’ll take the current technology over any ref’s obscured subjective view on a split second play. This is why we have instant replay in the first place - to use technology to get the calls right! All the major sports use it because it’s essential.

[@motogravel]

Exactly!!!

[@Ice-Blade]

still takes a human to run and maintain that tech. it'll have its own problems. already does. everyone can see the replay but its 50/50 on perspective either way

[@paulfox3532]

The current ball tracking tech that the NFL has tried is accurate to about 6 inches, which means that on that fourth down play it would be just as accurate as the line judges or, more likely, worse. That's why it has to be perfect. Josh's shoulder and part of his helmet went over the line, but the ball didn't. Even then Josh still had the ball in his hands, down 3, 3:33 on the clock and three time outs and couldn't get it done.

[@SDC509BowmanDeal]

Until the tech seemingly screws your team

[@twinturbo3374]

@ Then the NFL should spend whatever money it takes to improve the technology. They are a bottomless pit of money and profit and this is essential to the continued success of the league.

[@DavidT-zq4zc]

The commissioner stays up at night worrying if they are going to get caught in corruption

[@nonenone1534]

“NFL reportedly considering measuring first downs with electronic systems next season” Bills got hosed!

[@johnstuckert3292]

There is no chiefs bias in Ba-Sing-Se

[@unclebuddha]

Exactly this.

[@tlsoret]

I mean, “Company Man” is still talking about it, isn’t he

[@miguelrobledo5780]

I knew it! Rich is such a company man

[@M3Vader]

They didn’t even measure which is fishy

[@localenterprisebroadcastin5971]

They were shorting the bills all game

[@nankam]

The line to gain was the 40 yard line. There's nothing to measure when the line is physically on the field. Measurements are done when the line to gain is in between the 5 yard line increments on the field.

[@buyystocks]

@@nankam not true

[@nankam]

@ Both parts are true. Educate yourself. You've never seen a measurement at the goal line either when it's the line to gain because the goal line is on the field.

[@jamesgaczewski9692]

The 40 yd line is almost 4 in wide. We have seen 1st downs by just the tip of the ball touching the line. Officials did not want to have a close call in KC, home team wins.

[@christopher7824]

Whatever happened to doing everything you can to avoid the appearance of impropriety? NFL media just basically looks down on people who see a clear pattern and tells them to mind your business.

[@lightspeed4596]

Because what's left of integrity and honesty and sportsmanlike conduct is all but gone. Add in the fact of how many people running the NFL have no faith in God, so they care less about impropriety. Because they wrongly assume there is no one to answer to.

[@JayJay-766]

The play was so close that whatever called was going to stand.

[@Baconmonster723]

Hard disagree. If you have object permenance and proper angles you can see that Allen had 3/4ths of his upper body past or directly over the line to gain, with the ball in the center of his torso it is over the line. It was a bad spot, and a bad call. And don't give me this they couldn't see it BS, refs make inferences about ball placement all the time. Hell the spot they went with was from the far line judge who at no point ever saw the ball once in the pile, thus should have the LEAST say in spotting the ball.

[@JayJay-766]

@Baconmonster723 LMAO........ OK. You're right it wasn't even close. It was blatant cheating on the refs part.

[@donkeybus]

​ which is why the rules are stupid. It should be "make the best call given the available info" not "we can't be certain, so we default to whatever that guy thought in real time.

[@JayJay-766]

@@donkeybus if it's so close that they would have gone with whatever is called, that automatically means that there would have been people arguing the other way if it was opposite.

[@donkeybus]

@@JayJay-766 yes there will never be perfection, but it could be much better. Defaulting to the call on the field means it's less good than defaulting to what all of the evidence suggests is most likely

[@vinnydiaz6959]

Imagine the saints no call pi or fail Mary in the gambling era

[@antcip2452]

They won’t get the technology because then you can’t fix the games.

[@DwayneRose-g8b]

Exactly

[@christhompson6010]

If not for that Texans game this wouldn't matter as much. In that game you have a booth official contradicting the on the field officials in a game changing play. if it were just Aikman screaming foul it wouldn't matte but the fact the official saw it the same way makes this a serious problem

[@philthompson22]

Rich said it himself. "As commissioner, you root for the team that's losing." On that 4th-and-1, the Chiefs were trailing by 1 point.

[@janelschell253]

They won’t care who wins the Super Bowl, because they already got Taylor Swift there for the views

[@fillupsherman]

@@janelschell253 yup. They're trying to cash in on all that sweet little girl money, from all those little girls that love watching football.... They're risking everything to get the giant market of little girls that love football... Wait, does it sound stupid when I say it like that?

[@lightspeed4596]

Like I told someone else...it's Taylor Swift, not Grace Kelly. Gimme a break here.

[@forrestunderwood3174]

Yawn.

[@promeitheus]

People watch NFL games because of who is in attendance? Sounds reasonable 🙄

[@trollwayy5981]

Who actually cares about her appearance in the superbowl?

[@depsny]

C'mon Rich, you know darn well that the fix is in. Don't gaslight the fans.

[@johnsmith-ug5tp]

He has to bow to the commis

[@morecrayonsplzmcw4836]

So dumb😂😂😂😂

[@adamant5550]

Rich is an NFL bootlicker

[@fillupsherman]

Yup, fixing it for the smallest market in the country. They're after that KC Royals money! They'll get that sweet Kansas Cash by rigging it for the most hated team in the country, and plotting a super bowl no one wants to watch! And then, they'll make 90% of the games so boring you have to drink beer just to get through the 4th quarter. Yup, definitely rigged for KC...

[@blackceaser1819]

Yeah, it’s all rigged. Trump will fix it. Lol.

[@Gabeloveyou]

Refs rigged game for SB ratings = $$$. Never watch NFL ever again. Shame, shame 😢

[@D33TZ]

It’s amusing to hear the argument that the NFL is rigged for ratings. The same people claiming this are also saying they’re boycotting the NFL or not watching the Super Bowl anymore. How does that make sense? How can you rig the game for a team everyone supposedly hates to increase your ratings, while at the same time causing people to stop watching altogether?

[@Telecaster222]

Can anyone actually see where the ball was? Not just Allen’s head?

[@songsayswhat]

The clips I've seen, Allen's back is to the camera. He's turned sideways. It looks to me like he's holding the ball tight against his chest to protect it. Even if his shoulder went over, the ball wouldn't have if it was in the middle of his chest. It's not like he'd risk reaching out an arm and have the ball knocked out. That's just how I see it because I don't see how anyone--including the refs--could have even seen the ball in that mass of people.

[@waltersobchak6]

My issue is if you go for it on 4th down 7 times in a game you put yourself at risk of not converting. Buffalo playing with fire the whole game

[@Goodell8]

@songsayswhat thank you!!!

[@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle]

Object permanence? Every human has it past 4-12 months old. His entire torso was on or over the line except his one shoulder pad part. Only the NFL referees and infants don't have this ability. The ball was in his torso. Ergo, the ball was on or over the line. There is no physical way it could not be there unless object permanence isn't real or this is some sort of macro level of quantum mechanics where the ball disappears because we aren't looking at it.

[@Kaitronoamv]

No. You cannot see the ball at all. It certainly looks like he had the 1st down, but the original ruling can't be overruled with that replay. People need to move on.

[@johnblackmonjr6663]

I thought Kincaid got the first down on 3 and 5

[@AtticusZhivago]

And the spot was egregious.

[@jamesgaczewski9692]

He did make it and Official dropped it back a yard and a half.

[@larry2281]

3rd and 3 But yes he got the 1st down just like Josh did. Both spots were awful.

[@blackceaser1819]

I thought he was clearly short.

[@jamesgaczewski9692]

@@blackceaser1819 How can you say that when the ball was over the line.

[@supergrovah2729]

Cover the football in a reflective substance......won't change the weight. Seriously, the fact we're having this conversation says that the NFL doesn't want to.

[@greg33770]

Fans finally realize that the games are rigged.....so why bother anymore.....

[@brettstaneslow]

If the games are so rigged, I assume everyone has made a billion dollars betting on the chiefs, right?

[@greg33770]

@@brettstaneslow no, it's rigged by the NFL itself, it's so the NFL makes the most out of their product, with advertisers, etc....

[@thebourg]

Rich this WAS the Super Bowl

[@DogDad4Life]

Make it obvious, don't leave it up to the refs.. and if they did get the first down, they still needed to go further to make a field goal attempt, enough excuses. Go win the game and don't leave it up to inches.

[@DaveyMH]

Right. It's not enough to beat the chiefs, you have to clobber the chiefs to win. I don't deny that KC is a good team, but it's almost impossible to beat them in the playoffs with such crucial calls almost always on their side.

[@nsatan461]

Ofcourse its not. But end of the day we cannot dare say anything against the chiefs because we all have "chiefs Fatigue syndrome"

[@evosmith12]

They only had the ball bc refs missed the offsides on bills and instead chiefs got called for false start. You can’t whine like a baby about a bad spot when you literally got the ball bc of a gain of 10 yards from a different bad call.

[@The_Grey_Wanderer99]

I mean you do. Same thing that happened with the Patriots

[@nsatan461]

@The_Grey_Wanderer99 not really, patriots lost 2 superbowls, there were winners in between patriots superbowl wins. This is just disgusting and bad for football.

[@vivekmnigam]

Remember the NFL is NOT a sport - it is entertainment - NFL Said this in a lawsuit themselves. They also said that they can put anyone they want in the superbowl. And it is obvious that they do. NFL has gone the way of the NBA - and I'm done with it.

[@donkeybus]

the rules are stupid. It should be "make the best call given the available info" not "we can't be 100% certain, so we default to whatever that guy guessed in real time.

[@leC0rbusier]

people would still be complaining. they will still complain if the tech is implemented. they will always find a way to complain.

[@donkeybus]

@@leC0rbusier people will always complain and it will never be perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't and can make it much better. If its a 60-40 call on the replay it should go with the 60 not default to the original guess. The problem is the home team gets these advantages just due to human nature and having 80k screaming fans wanting you to call something a certain way, so we need to take steps to mitigate this effect.

[@wesleyball1205]

That’s stupid. You are taking a three dimensional space and making it two dimensional the ignoring the person who actually saw it in all three dimensions. That makes no sense. Of course you defer to the person you pay to see it live and in person and not on a two dimensional screen.

[@steveskinner3660]

Agree. With that Worthy “catch,” the official signaled it a catch while Bishop’s back was to him. The official couldn’t have seen even who had the ball, yet he signaled it as a catch. He definitely couldn’t see it hit the ground from that angle. And then that becomes the call that has to be overturned. BS.

[@donkeybus]

@ lol what you can't be serious??? you have 50 hd super slow mo angles, you can discern waaaay more information than a real time guess from one angle in 3d.

[@TheAireaidLord]

I think Rich is mostly a fair and honest journalist/commentator. I think the repetition this season in particular with the Chiefs always seeming to get favorable calls has people pissed. Like the Bills GM said, it's not THE reason they lost, but did it play a factor? Sure. I'm pretty sure Buffalo goes up 2 scores if they get the 1st down and score. We'll never know, but if the technology is there, why not use it? Seems foolish

[@morecrayonsplzmcw4836]

😂😂😂

[@awturbosp]

I wish the technology was there so there’d be no doubt that he didn’t get it. From the side of the field that wasn’t covered with players, he looked short. The technology isn’t ready. They’ve been working on it for years. Chips have been in the balls since 2017. They’re still working on it. Also, refs and the chain gang have always been part of the sport. Try running a different play on 4th down and maybe you don’t have to rely on a favorable spot for a first down.

[@cameronlampe6384]

My thing is this - was it a guarantee Buffalo was going to score if given the 1st? No. Everyone just assumes that tho. KC got a drive taken away by a penalty no-call also. We could do this until we're blue in the face. Buffalo didn't make enough plays and they had a chance at the end with the game tied up.

[@TheAireaidLord]

@ why weren't the chains used on that play? That I dont get

[@samfann1768]

@@cameronlampe6384Yes, everyone forgets the penalties that went Buffalo’s way, because it doesn’t fit their narrative. Human error, when it comes to officiating, has always been a part of the sport. Now we just have instant replays and a bunch of armchair umpires saying how they want the game to be called.

[@johnblackmonjr6663]

And the only reason I think Kincaid got it on 3 and five is because his knee wasn't down

[@Baconmonster723]

He got it, or within an inch or two. The ref spotted him a good couple feet back. Absolute travesty of officiating on the literal most important sequence of plays in the game.

[@BeepBeep1981]

@@Baconmonster723 Spotted him one foot back from the 1st down. It's where the next play began on the 4th and "1" that was like the length of a football when Allen got stuffed. If McDermott or his entire team of guys in the booth that review these situations thought Hollins got a bad spot he could have asked for a challenge and reviewed it. Why didn't he do that if he thought it was a bad spot? This happens all the time in the NFL where coaches throw a flag to check the spot.

[@Jombafomb]

I’ve watched that play from every angle and it’s hilarious that people are certain he crossed the line. At no point whatsoever is that obvious. Rich has spent so much time on this one play all week and he himself says that there’s not enough evidence to overturn the call. So what are we talking about?

[@johnchedsey1306]

Perfect is the enemy of good. Use the tech, but also have a backup process in place if there's an error of some sort. The NFL is just demonstrating they're too cheap to bother improving officiating, which is ridiculous.

[@donkeybus]

Exactly

[@cablesimple]

Right, it'll never be perfect. That's an unrealistic expectation for a game with this many variables.

[@nichodemus10]

They don't even need to change anything. Just have the guy doing the review not know the called outcome of the play when reviewing it. On the catch, interception, incomplete send it to the review station in new York who isn't watching the game live and see what there call would be. Same for the Josh Allen 4th down run. Send him the footage and have him make the call with the video evidence and no knowledge of the on the field call. If they need to have a press review with all reviewed plays each weekend.

[@eastcoastcurbkiller]

This dude really thinks that the commissioner would actually tell him if something was going on lol. Pure comedy.

[@redman4bills]

Many people are not renewing season tickets due to this. They are tired of investing so much time and money. Too many unfair scenarios. People are fed up.

[@youarepredictable]

In Buffalo perhaps. Season ticket sales in KC are doing great!

[@jeanfourcade]

Maybe they souldn't take grown-ups playing ball games so seriously.

[@kcnoise]

Maybe blame Allen for blowing it two years in a row? He’s had the chance to go win it.

[@blackceaser1819]

Chiefs were the better team. Get over yourselves.

[@chasingsafety796]

Bye bye. Nobody misses fair weather fans. If your team got the calls, bet you wouldn't be whining.

[@BuffaloMotivated]

As a Bills fan, it’s crazy to see it’s not even us, it’s EVERYONE who watches & even casual fans thinking that game tarnished the NFL’s credibility.

[@wesmurphy9725]

Did the bills get any questionable calls during the same game?

[@myhoodiskc]

Get more, dont make it close. Run an actual play

[@taykitrleevitt4314]

Changing rules so that one team needs 11 yds for a first down and another needs 9 & 3/4 yds is not the answer.😂

[@myhoodiskc]

​@@taykitrleevitt4314 you run a QB sneak you are at the mercy of the refs spot. That play had been stuffed what 3 times beforehand?

[@bsimp07]

The perception of gambling influence by the fans is as bad as an actual gambling scandal.

[@PD-dy8kw]

Bills and Texans still don’t get it. With this mentality they won’t beat the Chiefs. They’ve lost before the game starts

[@peterjohnson1734]

So, when a team loses on the road by three points to an opponent that had extra time to prepare in a game that could have gone either way with a play here or there, what major mentality change do they need to focus on?

[@johnmarlow7959]

When andy reid is gone, the chiefs fan base will be rats 🐀 on a sinking ship 🚢

[@ChrisH930S]

They didn’t beat the chiefs because they and their coach weren’t good enough. Dumbass 2 pt conversion in the second quarter……stupid tush push failed plays…..no top receivers????

[@markschlageter3976]

The fact that the idea of games being rigged has left the conspiracy theorists and now into the normies shows this is a big problem.

[@chasingsafety796]

Yes...a social media and fake news problem. The main stream has fully consumed the kool-aid; everybody's a creator, influencer, pundit, an 'expert' spreading their own bs message. Save it, buddy.

[@too1leasy]

​@@chasingsafety796we all have big screens and 4k. Doesn't take a genius to see a problem.

[@jdaddyrizzo]

I really wish Mac Hollins hadn't caught that touchdown when they called PI on McDuffie because no one remembers that since the penalty got declined but it wasn't even close to PI.

[@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle]

Seriously? Hollins got mauled. 😂

[@bobmartino8073]

Dude was like a Grizzly in heat all over Hollins. U Crazy.

[@hairpunut]

You obviously don't know what pi is then.

[@michaels58]

@@bobmartino8073rewatch the game and see other interaction between receiver and defender. That was not a PI at any point in that game, it was less than plays that were not penalized.

[@BeepBeep1981]

That coverage was clean AF.

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

The Bishop/Worthy play was a catch because the ball didn’t move, and Worthy arguably had possession. As for the 4th down, just say you thought he got it, disagree with the call, and move on. Technology won’t solve anything either. People will still say Big NFL is rigging the tech.

[@spyroninja]

No way in hell that was a catch

[@suncunha]

The ball totally moved...LOL

[@Baconmonster723]

What world do you live in that Worthy has any form of possession before the ball hits. His hand is on top of the ball then it hits the ground. Either it's an INT called back due to a defensive hold or it's an incomplete pass and a defensive hold. Calling that a Worthy catch is the only outcome that makes absolutely no sense. But of course that's what they call and spot KC 20 extra yards. Make it make sense.

[@filosworld.1705]

I guess everyone's memory has been affected last I checked the Buffalo Bills had plenty of chances just like when they got the ball back with 3:33 left in the game with 3 timeouts and the 2 min warning trailing 32 to 29 and they gained 17 yards and turned the ball over on downs.

[@vintagecoinop]

New angles with overlaid line show Josh Allen clearly picked up the first down against the Chiefs in the AFC Championship It was clear as day that it was a first down. Y’all can try to belittle the league’s influence if you want but they literally gifted the chiefs a possession in the 4th quarter of the AFC title game In front of 50 million people and have no shame. Some say that this happened at around 13 minute mark in the 4th QT. But what you don’t understand is the bills had just scored to take the lead then they stopped the Chiefs and had them punt back to Buffalo. Buffalo was then driving for another score. Whether it be a field goal or a touchdown plus maybe a two point conversion. Those two plays back to back where the ball was not spotted correctly on 3rd down and the 4th down play where the bills made the line to gain, totally messed up the momentum of the game for the bills. Buffalo had taken the game by its throat and had KC on it heels. 

[@filosworld.1705]

@@vintagecoinop And yet they didn't do anything on the last drive of the game. Also, there were several Chiefs drives one on Hollywood Brown where a Bills defender grabbed his facemask, and this happened 2 other times on Chiefs receivers. And let's not forget the number of times the Bills O linemen were holding Chris Jones because I have seen guys holding their first date less than Jones was being held on every play. If you want to hand pick a few plays fine, there are many more that the Bills got away with that can be named. Buffalo choked once again just like they did when they lost 4 straight Superbowl's. Rumor has it the league is going to change the rules again to help the Bills they told Josh think on it and let them know what rule changes would help him the most.

[@buckstraw925]

Yep, very likely made it but no way to overturn it.

[@AndrewsArchives]

We've reached a point where NOBODY has an ounce of introspection when they lose. Its ONLY the refs.

[@sdsmt99]

Sure, when it's the refs over and over again.

[@mikepannucio2315]

Stop it I don't here anyone saying the ravens lost to the bills due to flags no one is saying the commanders lost to the eagles because of flags no one is saying they lost because of flags unless they play the cheifs because the nfl wants the 3 peat don't be surprised if Barkley rips off a 60 plus yard td and it's called back on a hold

[@handsomeflapjack5833]

@@mikepannucio2315sure is weird that the narrative is that “only the Chiefs get bad calls” when the only reason the Bills were in this game in the first place is because they got 7 points spoon fed to them against the Ravens by a horrible DPI call in a game they won by 2. Why weren’t people complaining about that for several days afterward? It’s almost like people just hate the Chiefs

[@rondobson1828]

@@handsomeflapjack5833 I don't hear this as much from Bills fans as I do from everybody else. And yes, you take the good with the bad. Until some tech is perfected to make calls far more accurate, this is what we'll have to deal with.

[@toeey1]

@@handsomeflapjack5833 Every team benefits from a bad call from time to time but there is one team that benefits from bad calls far more than most. Ill give you one guess on who that is.

[@angrydrunkengerman2819]

"I thought he made it." He failed to make it 4 of 5 times. What we saw for sure was that play being run and it was clearly not a failure one time. That's a fact. No argument on the fact it was 1-3 on the previous 4. Meaning this play was not successful against KC. At all. It never should have been run on the most important play up to that point. The odds were that it was going to get shut down again. And everyone wants to believe this despite the fact there is no view or angle of the football crossing the line. None. Out of all possible camera angles not one of them shows the football. Not that it matters. All that goes away with 3:33 left and Allen has the football. Allen scores a TD and Allen wins. Allen kicks a FG and Allen ties. No penalties. No odd rulings. Just go score and NONE of this matters. But Allen failed AGAIN. Just like he failed last year at home when he was in the exact same position. Two drives to win the game and 0 points. That's why Buffalo lost. NFL officiating sucks. You know it, I know it, the NFL knows it. Good teams overcome it. Josh had his chance to overcome it and he couldn't. That's why Mahomes has rings and Josh doesn't.

[@MegaJohnconrad]

I’m a huge football fan and I have no interest in this year’s Super Bowl. Rigged or not, it’s just gotten predictable and boring. I’m not the only one I know who doesn’t care about this year’s game.

[@morecrayonsplzmcw4836]

😂😂😂

[@Sixfortyfive]

The Chiefs literally had to convert 11 yards for a first down at least once during last year's super bowl in a spot that was so bad that the down and distance displayed on the TV broadcast actually contradicted the down and distance as marked by the chain gang on the field. (TV said that Chiefs had a 1st and 10; refs marked them short and made them earn another yard on the next play. The Chiefs converted on the next play.) At some point people need to come to terms with the fact that they're so caught up in their own heads trying to manifest a scandal that it's clouding their entire vision.

[@samfann1768]

@@Sixfortyfive 100%. I feel insane as a Raiders fan having to defend the Chiefs over and over again. Just because I hate them doesn’t mean the refs are rigging the game in their favor lol.

[@Sixfortyfive]

@@samfann1768 It annoyed me for a while but at this point I sometimes view it as a benefit. It's gotten into the heads of enough actual players that they're obsessing with it instead of focusing on what they can control. For the fans, I think it's a combination of gambling and social media poisoning the well, plus what I feel is a desire that they *want* the accusations to be true. If there's an actual scandal, then they get to feel better about their own losing teams by handwaving away the Chiefs' success, so they're basically just trying to manifest it imo.

[@mrwowlover8432]

You mean to tell me an MVP level QB with 3 mins 33 seconds with 3 timeouts can’t drive down the field to even get at least 3 points to tie? Or win? The Chiefs gave Josh Allan a chance to be a Hero and he failed to deliver.

[@ericprinzing1600]

That's not what they said. They said the spot looked very suspect. Both things can be true. When the 2002 Kings lost to the Lakers, the Kings absolutely still had a chance to win. Mike Bibby had a hell of a look at a go-ahead three-pointer. That doesn't change the fact that Tim Donaghy was intentionally influencing the game for the Lakers.

[@philthompson22]

So no matter how many bad calls go against Allen he's supposed to just be superman and overcome it all? The drive at the end of the game could have been very different if they didn't turn the ball over on downs there.

[@HatrickEwing]

Yea… once the refs saw Kincaid dropped Allen’s 4th and 5 pass(some how Allen’s failure that Kincaid dropped a very catchable ball by NFL standards?) they picked up their thrown flag…also something not being discussed. Incompetence

[@brianpavlik9104]

"I haven't read anyone, or talked to anyone, that thinks that he didn't make it". - Do you not know any KC fans? 🤣

[@mc3067]

Will chips also be implanted in every ball carrier's knee caps, to make certain the ball crosses the arbitrary line before the player is down by contact? And elbows I guess.

[@toeey1]

Simillar to what I was thinking. Sure they can microchip the ball but that will only tell us that the ball did or did not cross the line, but not when the player is officially down. Which will then be relying on replay officials to determine, putting us right back to where officials can decide the outcome.

[@nachobroryan8824]

Would have to be pretty much the entire body except hands or feet.

[@19481761]

When is america moving on from if we lose its fixed. But if we win its crickets. From sports to the White House. Exhausting

[@spectralnighttravel]

That's only one side doing that

[@fillupsherman]

I've been saying for 2 weeks the "it's rigged" people ruined the country, now they're trying to ruin football. Your 100% right.

[@OldManRising]

@@spectralnighttravel BULL.....Hillary STILL talks about being robbed, then Trump does too....and Kamala didnt because it was to big to rig....look at the america heat map down to county, it all MOVED RED....what can they say? so they didnt...but it was closer and they hadnt already done unprecedented action of putting a ringer in at the last second that NO ONE voted for as their candidate....they wouldnt let it go.....both sides bad....

[@ColemanJRimer]

Well, quit paying the Kansas City Refs! We ALL know what's happening here: they want Mahommes to be the face of the game. I don't give a F about who is "the face". But since that BS "holding" call in the last Super Bowl against the Eagles, this has ALWAYS been FOR the Chiefs. It's going to happen again this Super Bowl, too. It will. I promise.

[@DawgPoundStoner1252]

Who bets on election outcomes??

[@michaelmejia3822]

Placing the Ball is part of it. The other is when the Player is down.

[@boscocfh]

If it happens in the superbowl and it goes against the chiefs everyone will be fine with it. Just admit it's just about hating a winning team. Put your team in the same position the chiefs are in now and you would be telling everyone to stop with the ref talk too.

[@johnsmith-ug5tp]

IT WONT!

[@too1leasy]

Yeah, the calls won't go against the Chiefs, and you know it.

[@loridoyle7984]

Bad calls happen on every single team on any game day. It’s gotten ridiculous and unfortunately is part of the game.

[@donkeybus]

Which is why everyone agrees it needs to be better and could be 10x better with just some common sense or simple changes ...

[@samthemacman]

There is going to be a BOYCOTT of the SuperBowl. Just wait and see. A lot of NFL fans are pissed. People are turning against the NFL, the Officials and turning against the Chiefs. Maholmes is a pathetic player and a worse leader as is the HC and it is like it is a conspiracy to get this 3 straight championship. The Bills lost because of the officiating. Time to get ALL gambling out of the game and stop promoting gambling. Gambling is destroying the game.

[@Judahscattered4corners-d4g]

@@samthemacman They're turning against the nfl when their guy Josh Allen loses

[@MRGRINCH323]

Just admit it the game is rigged, Chiefs will win, that’s the NFL current team

[@G-off-ux5bu]

Fans are still talking about it because it was an obvious call in favor of a team that has obviously been given favorable officiating for 4 years in the playoffs. The last time the Bills played the Chiefs in the AFCCG, Chris Jones threw a punch to the face of Feliciano (RG) after the play 1 minute into the second quarter while the Bills were leading 9-7 with the ball. That is supposed to be a 15 yard personal foul and an immediate ejection. Not only did Jones remain in the game, no flag was even thrown on the play. That wasn't the only thing in that game that tipped in the Chiefs favor, but Jones was the best player on a defense that wasn't particularly great that year.

[@BeepBeep1981]

I remember the Josh Allen throwing a forward lateral on their first drive in the 2023 Divisional game last year on a 3rd and 17 about one minute into the game. Instead of the Chiefs defense getting off the field, the Bills kept the ball and milked half the quarter away and got 3 points out of it. Bills, Refs, rIgGed!!

[@alicecuth111]

RICH OPEN YOUR EYES, THIS IS THE SCANDAL. Will be an interesting Netflix doc in 20 years…😅

[@bencromwell707]

I feel bad for Buffalo honestly

[@NoFate97]

Nothing will ever stop people from bitching about a sports outcome they didn’t like

[@chrisburns8562]

I’m not watching the farce of a Super Bowl

[@brettstaneslow]

K

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

Me neither man

[@TheFrankv70]

It’s football. Stop crying. If you watch the entire game, calls are missed on both sides.

[@fillupsherman]

Yup, they're rigging it for the smallest market in the country, and also rigging it so that 90% of NFL games are too boring to watch. That makes sense.

[@thomasburns3345]

Rigging and subconscious partiality are not the same thing.

[@fillupsherman]

@thomasburns3345 oh are people not using the word rigged? Is that your point? Also, impartial means fair. Being partial means being unfair. But are people not saying rigged?

[@thomasburns3345]

@@fillupsherman thank you for the correction. The point shouldn’t be hard to decipher. There may not be a grand conspiracy, however for one reason or another there is in-fact a bias that seems more evident with each game played. Citing the cause is a lot harder and requires evidence but noticing a potential pattern and questioning it is reasonable with more and egregious examples being produced. Calling it rigged notches it up a bit and implies it’s a conscious effort by a group. We aren’t close to the level that you can say that reasonably yet.

[@dakashoes4702]

KC's market size is irrelevant. Bottom line is this: Swift brings ratings. With all these new eyes on Kelce and KC, a show has to be put on, after all how fun would it be for swifties if KC was getting knocked out of the postseason every year by Baltimore, Cincinnati or Buffalo? Can't forget the legalization of sports betting definitely playing a role in all this and the value of a "golden boy" and dominant team (great for marketing). Either way you slice it, there's too much money to be made for the NFL and refs to not directly get involved in the outcomes of these games. Theres no such thing as a multi million dollar company thats willing to turn away millions in profit for the sake of integrity. Lesser bussinesses have sacrificed their goodwill for less.

[@fillupsherman]

@dakashoes4702 yup. That's why they rig 95% of the games to be too boring to watch. For the money. For all the cash from those little girls that love defensive battles between AFC rivals.... Uh-huh.... Does it sound stupid when I say it?

[@jimimorris6014]

Rich, it’s not about gambling. It’s about ratings.

[@K8t2x2]

These same people will believe the technology is fixed.

[@AldrickRosas2765]

"These same people" who saw an obvious first down not be called a first down. What kooky, tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracists! Harrumph! 🤣

[@danielalejandrofernandez5907]

​​@@AldrickRosas2765dude, stop it, there was nothing "obvious" about that play. Initially I thought Allen didn't make it, then, with the camera from the opposite angle , I thought he might have made it (that could explain why the ref from the side with the transmition camera thought it was short, and the ref from the other side thought they made it). At no point at all it was "obvious".

[@rhaegar_ii]

​@@AldrickRosas2765anyone who uses the word 'obvious' to describe that play immediately hurts their argument. It was crazy close. I wish someone should be honest and just say 'it could have gone either way but I wanted it to go against kc'. This was miles away from the rams/saints no call on dpi

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

@@danielalejandrofernandez5907 It was not obvious, but the ball spot itself in a vacuum is not the issue. The issue was that the first ref called it a first down and was overruled by a ref who had a much less clear view of the pile. The issue was that no measurement with the chains was even considered. The issue was that the Chiefs already benefitted from pivotal calls throughout the entirety of the playoffs thus far, including a play the down prior where Kincaid got the first down.

[@donkeybus]

​True, the one before on 3rd was obvious, this one was just overwhelmingly likely @@danielalejandrofernandez5907

[@dkemm2013]

we will NEVER KNOW what may have happened AFTER that, even if they GAVE them the first down- Bills score on a 41 yard pass?..OR... Chiefs score on a pick 6? you CAN NOT SAY that cost them the game period we will never know Chiefs may have stopped them on 4 downs and got the ball- just like screaming about them giving Worthy the reception on the ball that hit the ground at end of first half..... if they had ruled that incomplete, the Chiefs( with the holding call lingering) would have had 1st and 10 on the 20 with 3 minutes to play in the half, KC could have run the ball, killed the clock and either kicked a FG or scored a TD that would have made it 17-10 or 21-10 INSTEAD of the actual 21-16 it ended up being because the Chiefs scoring quickly from the 2 left the Bills enough time to drive the field and score a TD, so that call HELPED the Bills!! so you see how ridiculous it is to say" that cost them the game" on a stupid or bad call??!! - it can actually help instead of hurt you...

[@accole024]

If you are looking for a reason to think NFL officials are favoring one team over the other, you'll always find it.

[@Σατανας666]

The one team being the chefs. I agree.

[@sauceboss6045]

Especially easy to find when the world saw it in living color. There's dicey calls and then there's egregious nonsense.

[@tahirutv]

They had Beane at the podium tap dancing in roller skates on thin ice! Sheesh!

[@matthewfox7057]

I’m getting really tired of the NFL fixing things after the Bills get screwed. 😒

[@danpedersen7764]

Chiefs are going to the Super Bowl because they are a complete team offence defense special teams everyone contributes. Bills rely on one guy thats Josh Allen, Hes great but he cant do it by himself, he just cant Im sorry Bills Mafia until everyone pulls their own weight you will never make it to the Super Bowl.

[@laurilewerenz5270]

take away all the mistakes made by refs this season your record would be 0-17. There is not a single game this season where your team has not received a dubious call in your favour. and as every commentator points out. They get points every time they get a penalty their way. Ergo you got free points live with it.

[@johnhofer7281]

We Got screwed Rich!! Buffalo wins the Game hands down & KC doesn’t win without the Referees!! 55 million people watched it Guys!!

[@Judahscattered4corners-d4g]

We also watched you not win with 3min left and 2 timeouts.

[@Enfield14]

josh allen had the ball with three timeouts, down three, with three minutes left and did not score but it’s the refs fault you lost. Did the refs tell kincaid to drop the ball? did the refs draft keon coleman over xavier worthy? Stop being pathetic bills lost chiefs have a better head coach and qb

[@steveg1830]

@@Enfield14yeah Josh had the ball. Kincaid got the first down, refs spot it short, Josh also got the first down. You are a clown and you don’t know ball. You are biased by your fandom.

[@gawdtheblessedone4681]

​@@steveg1830excuses excuses. Foh. Lol.

[@morecrayonsplzmcw4836]

😂😂

[@frankiegarcia1810]

And the idiotic Medea members trying to get views is making this crap worse

[@thomasgibbs5489]

I disagree. The biggest play in the game was in the 1st half, where the Referees did a masterful PsyOP against the Bills that even to this day nobody is talking about. The Refs call a "off sides" penalty on the Chiefs special teams and then the Referees forced the Bills to accept the call penalty (and take points off the score board) and go for 2 pt conversion, which the Bills fail to convert. Thus, forcing the Bills to constantly chase points and at times be over aggressive in their play calling. Masterfully done, Ed Hochuli, masterfully done.

[@KaseyandKandi]

The worst part was when the referee made Kincaid drop that wide open pass

[@cleve2942]

Allen had the ball with 3 minutes left and told his receivers to drop the passes right?

[@Σατανας666]

You can’t skip to the last chapter and have an understanding of the entire book.

[@tjellis1479]

Allen is Joe Brady's robot. Bad calls from upstairs lands on the field. Allen needs to grow a pair and call his own plays.

[@REVolutionsDanceTampa]

Why? He had the first down. Kinkade definitely had the first down before that. The refs simply got it wrong. So what’s wrong with that play calling?

[@michaels58]

@@Σατανας666 Why is there no complaints about Dawkins being given a horrible holding call the week before against the Ravens, it was a blown call, were the refs out to stick it to the Bills? No, it was never talked about because the Bills overcame it and won. Every game has bad calls, but you only hear about it from those who lose.

[@G-off-ux5bu]

Allen told the ref to rule a pass that should have been ruled incomplete or an interception as a reception inside the 5 yard line right?

[@kginvestigates7509]

I agree Kinkaid had the first down the play before, Allen also had the first down but the ref's didn't think so, they made the call on the field and it stood, you can argue it either way what can't be argued is the play clock is at :00 the game clock is at 2:.01 how is that not a delay of game, I understand that the ref's watching the play clock and see it hit :00 and then look to see if the ball has been snapped, if it has then no penalty but in this case the Chiefs weren't even lined up and the announcers saying it has to be a full second and that it was blended, it was not blended, it was a full second, the play clock hit :00 and then the game clock hit 2:01

[@songsayswhat]

Gotta agree with Eisen. With all the gambling involved, the league would be destroyed if there was an actual fix because that would require everyone from Goodell to refs to owners to coaches to players on every team to be in on it. And if that's the case, even the low level employees would eventually learn about it. Someone would talk. And once that happened, the tons of crap to hit the fan would bury the league and end it.

[@UnspokenAscension]

tick tock...

[@Muunstaa]

you mean the same dam breaking effect that tim donaghy caused? oh wait, of course he was just a "rogue individual"

[@AnObSm]

At minimum, the league has a transparency problem around referee grading. Actually, no, the various sports leagues being in bed with all these betting operations is slowly killing the credibility of the league and this kind of conversation is a symptom of that relationship, and of the lack of transparency around referee grades.

[@longish]

Maybe Bean shouldn't have traded to the Chiefs the picks that turned out to be Mahomes and Worthy.

[@donkeybus]

Maybe, but completely irrelevant to this topic. That doesn't excuse the horrible state of refing in the NFL does it?

[@longish]

@@donkeybus Maybe don't go 0-2 in two point conversions. Maybe don't go 5-14 on 3rd downs. Maybe Allen shouldn't have misread where the blitz was coming from on 4th and 5. Maybe Knox should have caught that ball. Blame the refs, the league but by all means don't blame yourself, players or the coaching staff.

[@donkeybus]

@@longish maybe learn to read? You're just spouting more irrelevant nonsense that still doesn't excuse it. Bro the refing in he NFL is atrocious, everyone with eyes sees it, only fools "blame" it for losing, and only simpletons think you can't take accountability and also demand fair officiating.

[@RickReyes]

I honestly am done with the NFL. The favoritism towards the Chiefs from the refs is blatant and obvious. Anyone who argues against this is either a fanboy, stupid or lying to themselves. This will be the first superbowl I don't watch for over 20 years.

[@ilovemesomme]

There are too many variables to truly rig a game. Penalties are the only way you can truly affect a game, and Occam's razor indicates that refs just cover for each other when it comes to the penalties they call or don't call. There's no grand conspiracy beyond that.

[@Sara-o3g8f]

It's "massaged"

[@thomasburns3345]

I agree with the broad point but Occam’s Razor fails more as you approach a complex system. Like a game with an encyclopedic rule book and is still heavily subjective on human being with plain eyes making calls from 80 feet away. There is no grand conspiracy but given enough samples of what are other wise calls that can go for one of two teams and it HEAVILY goes the way of a single team you’re uncovering a problem. Willful (which I don’t believe it is, humans are massively imperfect and frequently do things subconsciously) if I have this 50:50 chance and I flip the coin and it comes up heads, it has the same 50:50 chance the following flip. Streak will likely develop but given enough sample size (which is restricted in this sport so we unfortunately have to extrapolate some) and you see the coin come up heads 60% of the time (which is actually a massive aberration implying nowhere near a true 50:50 chance) then you might start to investigate issues in how the coin is flipped, wether is balanced properly, etc. and right now the data seems to support a call of favoritism (likely not conscientious) toward the Chiefs. Full disclosure, I am a Bill season ticket holder but my opinion was merely hardened from the AFC championship game, not former wholly on it. I felt the Texans game I watched the week prior was informative and various other times I tuned into a Chiefs game through out the season. As well as the numbers ESPN was running the week prior etc, showing how the chiefs are 0/11 now in being called for more penalties than their opponents in the playoffs. Thats… not conclusive but man is it very damning. You yourself pointed out it’s too complex of a game with too many variable for one team to alway beat the odds like that.

[@donkeybus]

Agreed, the only conspiracy is why the NFL doesn't put in more effort to improve things

[@timrobinson6893]

And that flag on the key play where if the Bills had got a first down, the flag is then used, but since they didn't get it, just pick it up and walk away... dum de dum de dum. That's blatant in my books.