NFL Week 14: The Overreaction Monday Podcast with Rich Eisen & Chris Brockman - Dec. 9, 2024

[@SibleySteve]

The debate about 4th down is just time fodder. When you have no defense, your offense is defense.

[@CorePathway]

The best defense is a good offense

[@ericdement7865]

@@CorePathway Exactly, Dan was not going for it like this at all the first half of the season, a lot more field goals taken when he trusted the defense.

[@Dragon-Believer]

They act like you can just play it safe and win. It's really hard to win. This isn't Network television where you just fail upward. This is the NFL.

[@matthewmainhardt8553]

to this same affect, the one they missed and the packers scored allowed us still time on the clock to drive down and score. If we punt, the packers chew up the rest of the quarter and still probably score

[@jhank0cean]

That same defense had just forced the Packers into a 3 & Out

[@salamanderz5847]

Sometimes I feel like sports media want Dan Campbell to apologize for how he wins 🤔

[@samfann1768]

They're going to keep doing it until he wins a Super Bowl. Same way people talk about Shanahan being the problem in San Francisco, or Andy Reid before he went to the Chiefs.

[@myhoodiskc]

@@salamanderz5847 well considering his 4th down decision lost them the NFC championship last year the take is valid

[@stndpenguin]

@@myhoodiskc How do you figure? They lost because of a huge comeback by SF on some miraculous catches... a pass bouncing off a defenders face. Blaming it on a 4th down is ludicrous

[@vitrioliccarnage]

@@myhoodiskcwere you crying while you typed that? You sound like you were crying while you typed that. 🤡

[@alejandrocortes7110]

@@stndpenguin good point. can't blame them on the few occasions the 4th down plays don't work lol

[@SolidifyEntertainment]

One more time, Coach Campbell went for it all those times because the Lions had 13 defensive players on IR, so it was smart and situational, no need to overreact boys.

[@robertosborn9910]

That was before he lost Brian Branch and Alim McNeal during the game. They literally had 3 defensive starters in and one wasn't playing his original position.

[@jayanthsambaraju6562]

Lmao people just forgot about the one thing everyone was saying about the lions for the last week. Dan more trusts Monty/gibbs to gain a couple extra feet and call game than his practice squad defense to stop a white hot Jordan Love.

[@hartless_hunter3756]

Yes smart going for it on your own 31. Thats ridiculous

[@TimGilbert1980]

Rich just doesn’t get it, period.

[@jollyroger4970]

​@hartless_hunter3756 that one was definetly not good.

[@lennyd8337]

I remember back in the day when many teams proved they could almost beat the Patriots. They were so close!

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

Yep, I remember it quite clearly😞

[@BackJack450]

"You had me? You never had me." -Dom Toretto

[@drcox012]

Note I'm the furthest thing from a Pats but I lived through that entire area: Pats hardly ever let those games be decided by 2. Edit: and the years they did were usually down years.

[@leonardobraynen1524]

​@@BackJack450"Doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile; *WINNING'S WINNING!!!!!!!"*

[@vanillabadboy4469]

What are you five? Back in the day I remember the Broncos were the team to beat

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

Here’s my Overreaction Monday Overreaction: Bryce Young will be the best NFC South QB next year

[@michaels7159]

lmao bryce young is cheeks

[@pokewack]

Not an overreaction. I think Baker and him could be about equals.

[@greg8597497]

@@pokewackas long as Bryce get receivers other than thielan that can catch the ball

[@pokewack]

@@greg8597497 agreed

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

I could see that. Ever since he came back from the benching, he’s been playing pretty good ball.

[@edwardmugarian2811]

Sean McVay took a page out of Dan Campbell's book from Thursday night and went for it on 4th and 5 from the Bills' 30-yard line with the lead, and up three points. I didn't hear any criticism of that. Nor should there be; it was the right move. Just like Jordan Love was shredding the Lions' defense with under 5 minutes left to go, Josh Allen was shredding the Ram's defense. The right move was not to give it back to the other team and go for it on 4th down. Both Campbell and McVay made the right decision. But Campbell got criticized. Campbell going for it from his own 31 wasn't the right move. However, 4-out-of-5 fourth-down decisions Dan Campbell made resulted in 24 points being scored by the Lions, against one poor fourth-down decision that resulted in 7 points being scored by the Packers. I'll take those odds. Dan Campbell's 4th-down situational football decisions won the Lions the game, which was all that mattered. Like Al Michaels said after the final play: "Ballgame."

[@rubenquiros4859]

There’s a huge difference between going from your own 30 vs your opponents 30. The two situations aren’t comparable.

[@edwardmugarian2811]

@@rubenquiros4859 sure they are. Campbell's decisions won the game. However I did mention going from his own 30-yard line was a mistake but nonetheless going forward five times on 4th down was absolutely the right move for Campbell to do.

[@robe2504]

McVay did that twice early vs the Lions in week 1 and blew it both times. Either FG would have sealed that game before OT. You win some, you lose some.

[@ducknuts6146]

them going it for right there lost me $200 SOB

[@edwardmugarian2811]

@@ducknuts6146 that sucks I'm sorry to hear that. I learned many years ago to never bet on a Lions game.

[@viardrums]

Ever since his arrival, I’ve said Vikings’ head coach is exceptional. Proof.

[@jdocean1]

He’s from the Rams.

[@chuckleezodiac24]

tell us more, Notredamus.

[@vitrioliccarnage]

How far has exceptional got him? Doesn't seem too exceptional

[@jeffreyolive8375]

First 3 years without a top 10 QB, 31-17.

[@starmc26]

Their schedule is exceptionally easy.... Proof.

[@Obi1Classic]

I love the new Overreaction ending session. Looking back on old takes is fun to look at in hindsight.

[@matthewdale7801]

When people are debating the Dan Campbell going for it on fourth downs, you can't just say you don't like it when it doesn't work and like it when it does... You can't cherry pick them. Either you are okay with his coaching style or not. I love it personally

[@WolframeHDX]

Definitely makes the lions more entertaining

[@funnykids572]

Couldn't of said it better myself man thank you

[@Yogacjd]

Well said, my man. And this narrative is so tired but the pundits will not let it go.

[@seansteyer8851]

You actually do get to "cherry pick" regarding the situation. Going on 4th down is great inside the opponents territory. Going for it on your own 31 up 3 points? If you don't get it the other team is in field goal range already. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE his coaching style and confidence in the team, but there is some gamesmanship involved and he should use the field position game in your teams favor.

[@chuckleezodiac24]

@@seansteyer8851 All Balls, No Brains: The Dan Campbell Story.

[@giorgikharchilava7258]

These analysts don't realize that there is a point where your offense is so good that going for it on 4th and short past midfield is ALWAYS the right decision. That should be the gold standard for any good team, not something to shy away from.

[@bobbellamy726]

If Brockman knew football that well, he wouldn't be in the studio with Rich, he'd be coaching. I'm not worried about him and other couch surfers. I trust Dan Campbell.

[@173jaSon371]

Depends the situation still. If you already went for it on 4th and short 2 or 3 times and got absolutely stuffed every time, you may be more conservative the next time unless it's going to be your final chance to catch up.

[@morganmiskell2334]

They realize it. They have an issue with the attempts in their own half (from the Lions 31.)

[@Deuceswild47]

Guy only half listens to reply it seems

[@user-pc7xq6dz2i]

There’s no nfl offense that will consistently convert 4th downs against TOP defenses. Those are the ones you face in the playoffs. Some situations call for it and if you’ve got gameplanned play calls that work then go for it. But if the Lions do this regularly just because they like doing it and don’t trust their defense, it is very likely to backfire and could send them home in January

[@unforgivenkd]

Best sports show out right now. Keep being yourselves.

[@dustdevil9614]

FTF but ur not to far off

[@booshakka]

FTF would be watchable without Nick Wright. He lucked his way to the top of Fox Sports

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The headline we overreact to next week: After Seattle upsets the Packers, we’re going to say that Green Bay will be one and done in the playoffs

[@JesusSaves373]

Green Bay could still miss out on the playoffs if the Rams come on strong and the Packers lose 3 games down the stretch.

[@lukelawrence8952]

Yep no matter how good seattle plays it's always about the other team.

[@TerrenceButler-fc9uu]

Rich, '94 Sun Devil here, congrats - I spilled me coffee @ work with your Pac-12 comment to start things off - well done, sir! So true, btw. iykyk.

[@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328]

NEWSFLASH: NFC against San Fran - Dan's coaching decisions did NOT lose that game. The plays were properly executed. The receivers caught on-target passes - then uncharacteristically dropped them. The net result WAS negative, but the decisions were well-considered. That 3rd quarter against GB: Lions were willing to eat 7 and net more T O P to score again rather than let the Packers eat clock and STILL likely score against that gassed M.A.S.H. unit of a d-line. You might disagree with the strategy, but the decision was well-considered. These decisions are unconventional and outwardly they seem like "gambling" but this is NOT the case. The basic argument seems to be based on hindsight - The fourth down (and short) calls work except when they don't.

[@sambirch5153]

That's the thing, there is reasoning there. People are just acting like he's some roid-fuelled idiot going "MORE MEAT" every time it doesn't work. No man, he's a thinker and he's unconventional, and just look at what he's done for that franchise as proof he knows what he's doing!

[@electrical5]

Best point they raised was to include the Vikings in the playoff discussion. Seems like everyone is leaving them out. As a Lions fan, they look like the biggest challenge in the conference. For the Vikings QB situation, how can they let Darnold walk after this season? Again, as a Lions fan, it would be great to have Darnold go elsewhere, and the Vikings go into rebuild with a new QB. Only makes sense the Vikings will find a way to keep him.

[@chuckmcbreen]

My favorite sports show on KZbin.

[@kylemorris9588]

Dan Campbell is not reckless. Aggressive, but not reckless. Even the fourth down the Lions didn't convert on their own 31 was a "positive" play. Based on the time left in the second half, a punt could have jeopardized their ability to be in possession of the ball at the end of the game-which was crucial to clinch the win. It was a gamble, but it was also a smart strategy to use the Packers' growing momentum against them to lose the time of possession stat. Give the opponent an advantageous position to score that will not waste time, and in return, it securely provides the Lions with the advantage of at least 2 more possessions before the 2-minute warning. A punt to force a full-field drive would simply eat up too much time, and Dan wasn't giving them that either. It was a strategy bigger and smarter than just trying to keep their banged-up defense off the field. Dan Campbell playing 4D Chess.

[@therolando608]

No, Dan Campbell is just flirting with absolute disaster just like his disaster in the playoffs last year. Good coaches don't need to gamble on 4th downs so frequently to win.

[@Adri_Unsung]

@@therolando608it’s not a gamble if you trust your offense more than your defense. It’s a calculated risk. There were 2 dudes STARTING that signed that Sunday. It was the island of misfit football players on the defensive side.

[@JTZIII]

Last year was aggressive going for it like 3 times in a row

[@scruffd0g193]

If anything this shows you how QB Friendly the Vikings system is, no way Vikings give Darnold a contract will overlap JJs rookie deal.

[@juliusjean-baptiste924]

They can do what the packers did w/ love but the Problem is you can’t let Darnold walk out the door after winning 11 games with more coming possibly. You don’t know what JJ really is other than flashes of 1 preseason game. He could very well be a bust. If Darnold is playing this well, better than Cousins and hasn’t even hit his prime yet, they should go all in on Darnold and trade McCarthy. Vikings didn’t expect this but they know they can get a high 2nd for JJ for a QB desperate team.

[@Autocraticus]

I'm so tired of the Campbell discussion. He ran out there with AutoZone clerks filling in at Defensive End. He HAD to lean on his offense to win that game because defense wasn't stopping anyone that second half.

[@reaperking2121]

Exactly . He is a brilliant head coach and last night proves it . He fundamentally understands his own team , it’s strengths and limitations and can use the strengths to cover the failings . It’s why I see him winning a Super Bowl . Either this year or soon

[@jazzlyn1891]

And failed fourth downs weren’t the reason they lost the NFCC game, it was the fumbles lol our offense is much much much more reliable this season

[@Autocraticus]

@jazzlyn1891 4 down drops didn't help, but the Gibbs Fumble and the Vildor Facebump were the nails in the coffin.

[@sambirch5153]

He's incredibly smart, but he's unconventional and that takes time to be widely appreciated. People are somehow still in the "oh he just likes tasty kneecaps" stage of appreciation despite all he's done.

[@donaldloudenback7936]

Rich is the KING of Apple polishing.

[@darkwulf2k]

Love these, and hope they continue beyond football season.

[@CK-bi7tu]

Why do you keep ignoring that Campbell made that decision, in part, b/c 13 starters were out for the defense? The longer that game went - the lower the odds the Lions won it. It was the right call not giving Love a chance to get in field goal range to capitalize on that. Now...the one inside the 30? That was insane. LOL

[@TheOsfania]

How are there 13 starters on an 11-man squad?

[@jtfike]

They literally said on the video this was a factor. How do you have such selective hearing?

[@nateleanin6493]

​@@TheOsfania Starter gets injured....then replacement starter gets injured.

[@erinlietaert6002]

Brockman is a Lions hater

[@martinolson761]

Vikes are not trading JJ...thats dumb. They are only an injury away from Nick Mullins and all bets are off. I'd like Darnold back if they can do a 2 year deal...Vikes have never rally drafted their "QB of the future"....JJ will be a superstar in due time.

[@CorePathway]

Didn’t they just sign Daniel Jones?

[@ShimmyD-u7g]

They have a chance to pull a Packers, sign Sam to a 2-4 year deal, where you can get out of it after a couple years and let JJ sit. At the same time I am also one to just let the player play, let them learn on the job.

[@johnkluge3421]

Eventually, they are going to run into a team that is good enough to stop their running game and force Hurts to win the game. When that happens, and it will, the Eagles are done.

[@itsRiske11]

@@johnkluge3421 What does this have to do with Darnold and JJ McCarthy?

[@Easelgames]

@@CorePathwayhes on practice squad not the roster so he doesn’t count against any of that. Free spaces

[@tylerasweet]

Luck is where preparation meets opportunity. Chiefs are the most well prepared team in the league. These close games just build their confidence in these moments when it matter most

[@Enzo575]

That FG last night was pure luck

[@RedMage117]

Not a Chiefs fan, but Andy Reid is goated. His record is better than Bellicheaters and if you remove Tom Brady, he isn't even .500, whereas Reid is like .700 all time. Im just glad he isnt in our division any more 😂

[@user-rw2em7kv7n]

Well, that’s one explanation

[@sweetrobertos]

Or they're ripe for the picking.

[@jervin8132]

I’m surprised rich hasn’t realized that the reason the lions went for it 5 times (which they haven’t done as much this year otherwise) is because we had 13 defensive players on the IR.

[@ColorsFadeGaming]

Funny how one of the chief complaints pundits have against analytics is that "analytics don't take into account everything" and yet when it comes to their own "analysis" they treat every 4th down as if they're the same, totally disregarding 13 defensive players on IR... The irony is "rich" to say the least.

[@jhank0cean]

So? That same Lions defense had just forced the Packers into a 3 & Out the previous possession Forced 3 punts & a fumble on the day.

[@Bulkyninja]

​@jhank0cean in the first half and was gassed and being out schemed in the 3rd and 4th. Lets put like this who do you trust more the offense that scored 30 or the defense that allowed 30 easy choice. Your over thinking it.

[@jhank0cean]

@@Bulkyninja Again. The Lions had just held the Packers to a 3&out the previous possession. Not in the 1st half. The defense only allowed 30 because of that stupid 4th down decision on their own 31yd line.

[@Theincidnt]

They’re still sleeping on the Seahawks.

[@jtfike]

Sleeping soundly.

[@Survivor_of_DMVdrivers]

They're admittedly on a roll now, but is it sustainable? Will Geno revert back to throwing picks or the defense failing to stop a cold? Will DK Metcalf ever go back to his dominant self opposite JSN? There's just a lot of questions before anyone can seriously consider them a true SB threat.

[@maxherzog3287]

Lol

[@rickthomas3970]

When will thses people get it.... 2 droped passes cost Lions super bowl

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

You can say that about a lot of teams. That’s the thing that separates the great teams from the good.

[@dannyquilter8366]

You can say that stuff for literally anyone. A coin flip cost Josh Allen the superbowl

[@johnhamilton8636]

Plus a Gibbs fumble and a miracle catch off of Vildor's facemask. Campbell's team is 12-1.... he is doing a great job

[@FeedTheFrenzy]

cry, that NFC Championship loss was embarrassing. It wasn’t because of two dropped passes, it was because of poor coaching & a defense getting torn apart in the second half

[@AlexBrown-ot2gv]

​@FeedTheFrenzy nope it was the two dropped passes, luckily that person is no longer a lion

[@motelghost477]

7:29 And how close would the Lions be to a superbowl without Dan Campbell?

[@sambirch5153]

Exactly

[@matthewdale7801]

Also what about "Dan Campbell''s recklessness will WIN the lions the super bowl" instead?

[@zeusonolympus123]

recklessness- def.- lack of regard for the danger or consequences of one's actions; rashness. Its not a complimentary word...

[@sambirch5153]

​@@zeusonolympus123doesn't mean it fails though. I'd love to see the Lions win the superbowl with a ballsy 4th down conversion. In fact I'm saying it to try to will it into existence, and I'm not even a Lions fan.

[@michaeloreilly2533]

My concern is that the Eagles are too reliant on Saquon, and running backs are like tyres and bras - they have a defined shelf life usually punctuated with an abrupt ending that nobody wants to see. They need to integrate other weapons on offense to balance the load and make a deep run.

[@ericdement7865]

I've been feeling this way for a few weeks now, AJ Brown is clearly frustrated because they are just leaning on Barkley so much that it will probably bite them in the playoffs

[@WolframeHDX]

Definitely becoming a concern that Saquon coule be getting pretty dinged up at this point. He's had so much run this year

[@mmmdsai]

Darnold not being in the MVP conversation is only due to the award being a popularity contest.

[@DkBoozer93]

Pity mvp for Burrow lol

[@rundc896]

Also the same reason why Jared Goff won't win the mvp

[@newagain9964]

@@DkBoozer93 nah. He don’t even win that

[@iczorro]

You're really gonna say Puka might be the best WR in the league when JJ just became the first to ever get 7K yards in their first 5 seasons?

[@jdocean1]

Puka has better hands and YAC.

[@bugbean6185]

@@jdocean1 lol

[@mitsy616]

@@jdocean1Puka is a fantastic receiver, but Jetts has that little something extra.

[@zeusonolympus123]

MeanwhileTriple Crown Super Bowl MVP Cooper Kupp is also the best blocking WR in the NFL. Do you even see his blocks for Puka? No knock on Puka who is awesome but Kupp the best all around WR in the NFL.

[@iczorro]

Hands, LOL. YAC, also lol, JJ is being double and triple covered, cause he's better

[@timspengler5946]

[Love and respect for.] "For me or JJ McCarthy." Hahahahaha. Great line, Chris.

[@SDC509BowmanDeal]

Mahomes jukes many people - at some point you have to give some credit to skill and not say it is all luck.

[@SunShine-xc6dh]

Yep it justmight be in the script

[@jeffrogers2180]

Love how crazy the Chiefs drive Chris.

[@timscharf423]

He hates them because he thinks they threaten the legacy of the Patriots.

[@davidm.2141]

His disrespect is sounding more and more like a torn soul crying out in desperation. “All the teams who played the Chiefs proved they can beat the Chiefs.” He’s the Bishop in Caddyshack shaking his fists at God and screaming “rat fart!”

[@rubix4290]

Can someone explain to me how all these sports people have called the Lions offense one of the best in years, and then say they can’t just expect to move the ball 1 yard when needed?

[@jomolionking6520]

Its Funny Rich uses "but he didnt" when he defends Mahomes. Campbell didnt lose either

[@reedfagan8330]

To be sure, it's a 6.5 year sample size of Mahomes' prove-it moments. Campbell is building his resume, but it's still much shorter at the moment, and has the stain of the same kind of coaching decisions he's making now costing the NFC championship game last year.

[@joshmiller6421]

@@reedfagan8330 but they didnt cost us the nfc title game

[@eddiewinehosen6665]

@@reedfagan8330 Chiefs are bailed out every week by refs so it's not a sample size. Mahomo gets the same BS calls that golden boy Brady got. The same calls that lots of other QB's don't get including some of the biggest stars in the league, Burrow, Allen, Lamar etc!

[@rev.jeffwillrumble7711]

Eisen is completely wrong about Hurts/Brown. Brown was shutting his mouth. His frustration was righteous, and he didn't go off. Hurts does need to get his act together. With the exception of yesterday (and kicker), every other aspect of the team is firing. Defense, running game, receivers, OL/DL line play... All good. Hurts needs to figure it out.

[@andrewmoluf4299]

the DL was kinda meh yesterday, they got ran over and could not contain young at all...disastrous angles taken and not staying in lanes

[@mikem8808]

Hello Rich and Crew, getting off twitter Very Smart move! I went on a couple times 2 - 3 years ago and I had to get off. I have Always stated that social media, along with reality/fake tv is the WORST forms of entertainment EVER invented!! Take Care Guys and Have a Nice Christmas/New Year!

[@stilljustabill]

In MCDC we trust. More importantly, his players trust him 😎

[@michaelflynn6333]

And he trusts his players

[@imadepresseddetroitfan7197]

The 4th down decisions can go both ways, and the media only goes the negative route. Yeah it can cost the Lions the game, or it can win them a Super Bowl.

[@Survivor_of_DMVdrivers]

In simplest terms, yes. But it's a lot like Vegas...if you keep gambling, one way or another, the house wins. More often than not, that failure to make a crucial 4th down will come back to haunt Detroit at the worst possible time. I hope I'm wrong and that they win it all **if** my Steelers can't pull it off (unlikely, I'll admit, but I gotta dream haha). Campbell seems like the perfect coaching fit there, and their offense is a joy to watch. But man, that failed 4th down try was painful & totally unnecessary. Even if the argument is that they're so banged up on defense that you might as well go for it, I'm not sure I buy that excuse. Punt to live another drive, day, whatever. It's the least risky option for a reason.

[@Ruleof2Review]

Love ya, Rich. Definitely off Twitter, good call. That place sucks tremendously. You’re awesome so just stay awesome! 👍💪

[@judykhaleck8034]

I’m gonna say this LOUDLY QUINN EWERS IS NOT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK. HE A CAPABLE BACKUP IN THE NFL.

[@drewdiaz1631]

His name alone screams back up lol

[@judykhaleck8034]

I am also saying that’s not a bad thing being a BACKUP QUARTERBACK in the NFL. Every teams need a capable good QUARTERBACK on the rosters if something were to happen to the FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

[@user-pc7xq6dz2i]

Good thing you typed that in caps

[@jesselund360]

TALK ABOUT THE GOD DANG SEAHAWKS PLZ! #1 DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE SINCE THEIR BYE WEEK 4 GAME HEATER.....NO BIG DEAL THO!

[@Kyle.Wynsma]

I would bet on the Lions to convert a 3rd down over the chiefs any day of the week

[@myhoodiskc]

The Chiefs lead the league in 3rd down conversion rate....

[@Kyle.Wynsma]

@ best OL in the league

[@jeffhunt5964]

Really? Then why did they have to go for it on so many 4th downs yesterday? It would seem that 3 downs is often not enough for those poor little lions to get it done.

[@jazzlyn1891]

@@jeffhunt5964 uhh.. they had nearly 80 plays on Thursday and only 5 of them were 4th downs. (And they converted 4/5 of those btw). They’re top 5 in the league in 3rd down conversions.

[@Kyle.Wynsma]

@@jazzlyn1891 these haters don’t even watch the lions. Don’t even know how dominant they are

[@JakeHamm-nc7xk]

Keep Sam and JJ. Qb injuries happen in the blink of an eye. Sam is BALLING and is still young. JJ can learn and grow wait in the wings, unless he can take the spot on his own.

[@pokewack]

If Sam can take a reasonable contract I’m 100% behind this. However, I don’t wanna be paying him $60 mil a year.

[@JakeHamm-nc7xk]

@@pokewack Sam is a top 5 qb this year. Agreed? Isn’t that the ultimate goal is to have a top qb that’s worthy of the money? Sam is still young, he’s been through lows and adversity, he’s got a huge arm, and is very mobile. We see what he can be. $60m is crazy money no matter what, but if Sam can be good enough to overcome some roster deficits then it is what it is. JJ McCarthy is even younger but he’s a question mark still. Keep both

[@JakeHamm-nc7xk]

@@pokewack I personally think Sam will take a lesser amount to stay in Minnesota vs getting every penny he can (cough cough Kirk). He’s stated multiple times recently how much he loves that he’s playing in Minnesota. He’s seen the poor organizations and now he’s with grown-ups and elite coaching/players around him. I think it matters to him more than most qb’s because of that.

[@pokewack]

@ i actually think he will do that too, because of the journey he’s been on, and the confidence he has in KOC, the organization and the way he’s been treated.

[@mikeharm2132]

Lot of Trollsters here, Rich ,Brock n whole show i enjoy on weekly basis 😎

[@Pilsnerp1c]

At some point, you are your record and sample size has to start mattering. The Chiefs being this "lucky" seems almost statistically impossible. Perhaps they're merely a really good team that plays disciplined, well-coached, opportunistic football, but lack the weapons and explosiveness to finish off teams that have no business hanging around them for all four quarters. They're like a 90's Honda. Workhorse of a car with a history of reliability, that doesn't hold a candle to an Italian Sports car in the quarter-mile, but isn't going to break down even a half as often. At this point, it feels like detractors are grasping at straws. They so desperately want the team with a quarterback throwing for gaudy numbers week in and week out to be the best team in the league, but that's just not how it works anymore -- Patrick Mahomes is 12-1 and Joe Burrow is 4-8. The meta-game of the NFL has shifted towards building more balanced teams again. People should be ecstatic, because it means you can win meaningful football games with Sam Darnold or Jared Goff instead of needing 2022 Mahomes, 2023 Lamar, or 2024 Allen or Burrow.

[@mjtmn]

Re dan Campbell. viking fan here. I've watched the Lions with pity for over 3 decades. The fact that they have a John Madden identity is so much more cool than a super bowl here or there. Transforming it into a a franchise that will attract a certain type of player and fan is a much better long term direction than a mere superbowl. This franchise has suffered for decades. Let them be epic. It's so fricken awesome to fear them in the division.

[@joj164]

The Bills' loss to the Rams looked the same as so many of their playoff losses. Allen plays like a superhero, but defense and late game coaching decisions cost them. Made me think things won't end differently for them this year.

[@jgberzerker]

If you understand why Chris is saying it, then by definition it’s not an overreaction.

[@CorePathway]

I can understand why people freak out over spiders but that doesn’t negate the overreaction.

[@jgberzerker]

@@CorePathway sure. But if you understand their reaction aren’t you admitting they are justified in their reaction at least from their point of view?

[@BoHorn]

@@jgberzerkerum no, the point is that you understand what is steering their thinking and their motivations and thought process. Someones conclusion can be understood without being reasonable. A pack fan might think theyre going to win the superbowl, the bias is obvious, its easy to see what led them to that conclusion… but it sure as hell isnt reasonable.

[@jgberzerker]

@@BoHorn the definition of overreact is an unjustifiable reaction to a situation. A Packers fan, whose team is 9-4 and lost to the 1 seed in the NFC by 3 pts, is justified in thinking his team can win the Super Bowl. A Bears fan, whose team is 4-9 and 0-3 in the division, however, is not. Similarly, someone jumping from a spider because they’re afraid is justified. Killing it with a sledge hammer and putting a hole in your wall, on the other hand, is (I think we can all agree) not justified despite their fear. Therefore, an overreaction.

[@BoHorn]

@@jgberzerker can/will first of all. I can understand why someone used the sledgehammer and think it unjustified. With all due respect youre stubbornly missing the point. I think minutia is getting in the way of understanding how a word is most commonly used. What else would they call the segment?

[@shane_wallace]

Comment it every week, best show in sports.

[@chrisdemarco-xs3xq]

4th quarter 4th down conversion was brilliant. No one, including the defensive line was expecting the Lions to hike the ball. If anything, the next team that faces Goff in that situation will be guessing....and will probably jump offside. Campbell knew Monty would convert. Confidence and installing doubt in future opponents..,.again... brilliant

[@dustinjohnston2666]

Oh, Brockman, you can keep hating on the Lions and Chiefs and just keep watching them win.

[@michaelledford5081]

You are 100% correct the Bills D isn’t good enough to beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead.

[@kensmith2829]

The Chiefs aren't a threat

[@bradleywoolard7039]

He’s pushing Rich’s buttons! LOL LOVE IT!!!

[@uTubeNoITube]

Rich Eisen talking to Chris Brockman always sounds like a concerned dad talking to his son.

[@jexxy1806]

Kansas City the most overrated 1 loss team ever. Refs never call a fair game when it matters.

[@adambonus4320]

"Rich, your a self-loathing ****" 😂 that was funny

[@gyulatakacs1824]

I agree on the Bill's defense. It was like a sieve. I can't wait for the Lions and Bills game this Sunday.

[@cf1696]

"Oh look he's gonna talk about the Lions." "Lions gonna lose in the playoffs" I swear, this dude can't say a single nice thing about the Lions. Just cut this to 5 minutes and just glaze the Chiefs. I know you want to, Brockman.

[@RichEisenShow]

you know what the name of the show is, right? and you're the first person here to say I like the Chiefs, well done. -Brockman

[@prestonscott73]

The great Darell Royal, who has the stadium named after him, is the legendary Longhorn coach with the famous quote “You dance with the one that brought you”.

[@loganfaud01]

I KNEW the Arch Manning overreaction was coming after Saturday's game 😂

[@samanthawoods8000]

Sam Darnold didn't need time to blossom -- he needed a new team. He started with the Jets, where EVERY quarterback fails, and, then, he went to the Panthers. The teams (and their owners) were the problems, not Darnold. Chris even mentioned Geno Smith as similar example, and he was also drafted by the Jets!

[@lmdee7690]

When your record is 12-1 you’re making your own luck.

[@Koronin]

The Bills are definitely good enough to walk into Arrowhead and get a win. I predict they make the SB this year. Allen looks unstoppable.

[@KsEF5]

Unstoppable? Yet he lost yesterday?

[@godseviltwin]

​@KsEF5 he scored 6 tds. He was unstoppable. The defense got trucked not allen. He didn't lose that game.

[@BrianLaHara]

The Bills need to do better stopping the run. Pacheco is back and the Chiefs will run it better than they did in the earlier match.

[@SickVendetta]

We got two touchdowns on fourth Downs so we would have lost that game if we didn't go for it on fork down. I stand behind mcdc in every choice he makes. If it cost us in the playoff games so be it. But that's what got us there. So stick to your guns

[@craigwoodward7638]

If im the Vikings I'd offer Darnild 80 mil over 2 years with 60 mil guaranteed right now. The Vikings get time to see what they have with J.J and Darnold gets to stay in a good situation. Any team offering him more will be a worse team with god knows what coaching and management situation.

[@camxnz]

Insane for Brockman to say Mahomes is the slowest guy on the field and he got lucky to juke someone out of a sack. Sad sad man.

[@braydenwhite9537]

We needed more college football overreactions.

[@mochabean5692]

My extreme overreaction: If the Rams keep getting wins to close out the season, they’re going to the Super Bowl

[@mythrapi73]

one thing that's not talked about enough is how piss poor the Falcons defense is....one thing that's talked about TOO, TOO much is how good Darnold is. He's surrounded by studs on offense and has a top defense.

[@TylerLyon]

Tell Moby that it’s not luck when Patty does it time and time again.

[@john172867]

As a Lions' fan, I don't want to see the Rams in the playoffs. I'm sick of Stafford and McVay.🦁

[@zeusonolympus123]

I think McVay is the most hateable person in the NFL. I like Stafford though.

[@jazzlyn1891]

Rams were insane against the Bills, and the Bucs are our only loss for a reason. We already beat the Rams this year but it was still close, so that “revenge” game against us could be scary

[@DanCampbellsBrain]

Rams have 3/4 games remaining against their division. They need to worry about getting in before scaring anyone.

[@andrewmoluf4299]

I wouldn't worry about their swiss cheese defense at all

[@johncrone5465]

The Seahawks DISRESPECT IS REAL!!!! WHAT A JOKE

[@noidboi154]

Seriously. The whole Rams segment just glossed over the fact they are not even winning the division and are not top 7 in the NFC 😂.

[@CorePathway]

Seahawks vs Vikings is the “give us some respect” Bowl

[@jenzerr8856]

They never have. Why would they start now? 🤦🏻‍♀️😂

[@RedMage117]

To be fair...your next four games include Greenbay, Minnesota, da bears and the Rams. The assumption is you'll likely go 1-2 leading up to the Rams game. They have a much easier remaining schedule so it could easily come down to the final game of the year.

[@johncrone5465]

@RedMage117 operative word in your reply is "ASSUME". Never assume anything in the NFL, especially this season. Yes, the Rams have it easier, BUT, they havent exactly done well in "easy games" this season.. They have the Whiners here on Thursday and Shanahan owns McVay. Then they have the Jest, then a tough game against the Cardinals who are basically playing for pride now. We shall see when it all wraps up

[@PikeytangM]

Not surprising to find out Rich is they type of boss that gets mad at his employees for not working off the clock. Shout out TJ for protecting his personal time!

[@brianjonker510]

The eagles passing inadequacies is a clever take. Yet they still score plenty of points.

[@VinzClorthokeymasterofGozer]

Indeed. They seem to score at least one more point than the other team each week. Same as the lions, chiefs, and vikings. Every team has wins that aren't pretty.

[@jamesgoudreau1940]

The problem with analytics is it doesn't take momentum and morale into account when going for it fails. The fact most are going to overlook in the Vikes Falcons game is that the Falcons had everything going for them until they went for it on 4th and failed, the Vikes went on the score the next 14 points and never trailed again. While they probably would have lost, that turn over on downs marked the point the game went downhill.

[@Hms-steel]

I would love to see the chiefs fall apart. Just to get sports analysts to stop talking about them.

[@westonbecker4734]

Puka didn't even crease the J's making that catch lmao

[@eriklarsen9942]

I was at the Falcon's/Viking's game on Sunday. The Falcons played 3 quarters of good football, but were picked apart in the 4th quarter. I know it doesn't matter in the result, but I'm leery of 1) writing off Cousins, 2) anointing Darnold as the starter for the next 3 years and 3) assuming that this isn't part of KOC's overall plan. Before the season started, there were oft heated debates about this exact scenario: What if Darnold played so well and the Vikings did so well that they had to seriously think about keeping him around. Well, here it is!

[@blairsean]

the logical fallacies of brockman's arguments are brutal. this is 1/2 a great podcast.

[@RichEisenShow]

you know what the name of the show is, right? -Brockman

[@nonstopper1410]

24' Chiefs = 22' Vikings

[@jayanthsambaraju6562]

God I hope.

[@bhoutdoors507]

Except the chiefs are praised and the vikings were called frauds

[@AndrewZajac-n4t]

yep, except its the defense winning games and not the offense

[@trevorbies6758]

Not true. Chiefs literally drove down the field, used the clock and kicked the gane winning FG😂😂😂 doesn't sound like the defense last night@@AndrewZajac-n4t

[@AndrewZajac-n4t]

@@trevorbies6758 How many games have the teams the Chiefs have been playing get held at or under 20 pts, I'll tell ya, 9 times. 7 of those games ended up as a 1 score game. So Yippee they were able to have a good drive to end the game, but when a defense holds a team to 17pts, Id say that team should win the game

[@verbalswagrawkey1932]

Agree or disagree, no need to be a big meany, by diss’n Brock and Rich. These dudes know so much about the NFL and I love listening. Overreaction Monday is a Must-Listen 2. PS. Who’s Nick Wright?

[@budgar]

lol Nick Wright does well in football but unfortunately his KC bias is very hard to deal with it. Anytime a QB is statistically compared to Mahomes he will say stats don't matter wins do, but when t he KC defense saves Mahomes bacon it is all about how statistically Mahomes is the Best QB of all time. His bias is out of control.

[@trevorbies6758]

A funny chiefs guy who is always Wright 😂

[@verbalswagrawkey1932]

@ thanks I understand

[@brianjonker510]

Dan C has to make some risky decisions to account for that defense. The correct strategy would prevent him from needing to convert any fourth down longer than two yards.

[@brianhyatt3930]

Going to the time stamps under “description” only to find nothing about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I get it, we were late 90’s NWO for a while; stars came at the end of their careers to ride off into the sunset. But we’ve put minimally acceptable football on the television for a few good years. Overreact to us accordingly. Your best friend, Brian Hyatt.

[@chiefsampson]

If Mahomes juked that defender close to the sideline, people would be saying that he faked going out of bounds as the defener let up.

[@yugnok]

Agree about the Rams. As a Lions fan, I never want to play Stafford in the playoffs. Rams are scary. Puka Nacua is a total beast.

[@toothybrushman]

You guys really need to include the clips when looking back at old overreactions in the new segment. Let’s see real reactions to previous overreactions! The best part of this show is hearing Rich and Chris debate, simply reading the topics isn’t very compelling.

[@shep68]

Dan Campbell is Joaquin Phoenix in Signs: Swing Away Merrill! 😂

[@upstatenydude8322]

As a Bills fan you are absolutely correct in questioning their defense. Yesterday was one of the worst defensive performances I have seen for any team in a long time. Bad scheme, bad play calling, bad execution. I'm not even sure if the D-Line didn't even get on the plane from Buffalo and they put some randos in their uniforms, instead, and pushed them out on the field. They were that horribly bad.

[@thomaspowersmedia]

top of the show: Chris Brockman says "bet you won't say 'ovary-action monday' a la super troopers"

[@natethegreatlux]

No love for the Seahawks, classic

[@rollercolt8817]

My favorite part of Monday!

[@thestarwars2424]

That's not an Overreaction

[@davisonquick7041]

Brockman’s internet level hate for the chiefs is tiresome.

[@awill891]

Outside of Mahomes, no starting quarterback drafted after 2012 has won a Superbowl!! I don't understand the obsession with picking an unproven rookie over a veteran who is leading you to a 10-2 start. QBs in their first contract are not winning jack squat for over a decade already. Just ignore the last decade plus of drafted QBs and pretend yours is magical? Nah sign the still young Darnold to a 4 year $200 million deal. Also for the haters: Dude was on the 2 worst franchise in the league: Jets (14 year playoff drought) and the Panthers, now he's on a good team and getting results.

[@user-pc7xq6dz2i]

Ok cute stat but the profile of QBs who did win those SBs other than Nick Foles is not “resurgent veteran journeyman.” Brady, Manning, Wilson, and Stafford are/were franchise QBs. If you’re trying to argue that a Sam Darnold prototype is the answer while citing historical trends, that’s a losing argument. There’s no more precedent for that than there is for young guys in rookie deals winning championships. Practically the only proven way to do it is to draft or luck into signing a star QB. And the only viable and semi-dependable way to get one is to try drafting one.

[@sportsmediaamerica]

I love to criticize Rich, but this was a fantastic , and very funny, show! Good job!

[@DanCampbellsBrain]

The only decision I did not agree with in that GB game was going for it on 4th and 3 from your own 31. Lions defense just got Packers to punt the series before and could have used their All Pro Punter Jack Fox to pin them deep again. That was the only one that did not make sense, but a win is a win.

[@empyo413]

Seahawks wining the division, Rams aren’t making playoffs

[@rubenquiros4859]

Lions fans are so sensitive in this comments section lmao. You guys are good, but come on not every criticism is an attack.

[@joshmiller6421]

Not sensitive, just annoyed at hearing the same tired criticisms. And the narrative that our coach cost us a title game when it was a guy that was reliable all season suddenly having stone hands plus a terrible secondary.

[@CapnDiddles]

@@joshmiller6421 for real. As a lions fan I can take criticism but only for things that actually should be criticized. People love to talk about the 1 out of 5 that didn’t work and then point back to last season after we’ve already went through an entire offseason, draft. And 14 weeks of football this season and act like that 1 thing defines us when you could point to many things happening for the reason we lost that game. What you listed but also the fumble. Fact of the matter is we made 4/5 that people aren’t talking about. 2 of which were at the goal line that got us touchdowns. If we settle for field goals there we lose. If we punt the other times we lose. But people don’t seem to mention that we won because of those conversions.

[@cf1696]

​@@joshmiller6421yeah criticism is fine. But how is this an "overreaction" when there's that one person on every show saying this? And this came the day after the Jets literally lost because they just took the field goal in the exact same situation. I feel like a lot of the media is just mad that we didn't give Jordan Love a chance to get down the field on a BS PI call then score a touchdown as time expired so he could have his Favre/Rodgers moment of ripping his helmet off and running across our field. Nope, too bad. Packers get swept and they'll have to go on the road in the playoffs.