Pat Metheny and Allan Holdsworth: More ALIKE Than You Think!

In this episode I show how Pat Metheny and Allan Holdsworth are more alike than you think. Pat Metheny (1954-Present) and Allan Holdsworth (1946-2017) are both incredible improvisers and writers. There playing seems to have little in common but their harmonic vocabularies are far more similar than most people realize.
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[@stephen0793]

YES!! More Holdsworth and Pat Metheny content please!! I am a huge Holdsworth and Metheny fan, listened to everything Holdsworth has ever put out

[@SpartanLaserCanon]

Even that hard to find K2 album which is only on CD? There is some stuff from them on KZbin.

[@MrJsbach123]

Awesome stuff! Love houldsworth and metheny!!

[@johnnicholson8345]

two geniuses on their instruments for sure. Lucky to have seen Alan and continue to see Pat every time he comes around (which is Boston so it's every year).

[@jacket9067]

Me too!

[@joemansueto1414]

@@SpartanLaserCanon Yep…got it.

[@LisaBellaDonnaMusic]

Would love to witness a program here highlighting Allan’s tunes “Zarabeth” & “Tullio”. I feel those are really special pieces of music. Allan Holdsworth was a miracle in motion. ❤️

[@liverpoolhw]

Zarabeth!!! Yes

[@Sooby007]

Man that harmonic major sure does set up the weather for some beautiful chords but also some menacing runs. Love it 👍🏼

[@blackcatcentralmusic]

Holdsworth did excellent work with other groups. Check out "Gazeuse" (Gong), "Bundles" (Soft Machine), and "Believe It" (Lifetime) among others. The Bruford album, "One of a Kind", is amazing.

[@svenjansen2134]

Level 42

[@MrBones105]

Bundles is so good! Definitely one of my favorite sides of Holdsworth

[@maydance515]

I remember Pat highly appreciate Alln Holdsworth in his old PMG homepage. Anyway, both are my most favorite guitarists.

[@geol1936]

Yesssssss. I've been waiting for any discussion of Pat. Pat and Holdsworth are incredible improvisers.

[@CamiloVelandia]

All I know is, I’ve transcribed many Metheny solos, and the most Holdsworth I’ve had the sanity to transcribe was probably one chorus. Love them both, but to me, it will be decades before we see another Holdsworth

[@andrewkramer4021]

There was Shawn Lane, he was kind of Holdsworth-like.

[@CamiloVelandia]

Royal S definitely!

[@CamiloVelandia]

Royal S dont get me wrong! Metheny has some killer chops! Just, for me, personally, holdsworth lines were always much more difficult

[@aralsea1]

@@CamiloVelandia When you think of Metheny don't just consider his chops. Look at his composing too.

[@CamiloVelandia]

@@aralsea1 yeah. I love him as a composer. Was just posting the first thing that came to mind when comparing the two

[@AntonioKowatsch]

Holy moly. The composition at the end was rather sublime.

[@Axterrix]

Breathtaking

[@fernsehdesign]

yeah, You should publish that

[@Eliguitar1]

It shows how technique is just a vehicle. Holdsworth was spanning 10 frets with his thumb on the back of the neck, lots of gain. Metheny with his thumb over the top. Totally different approach physically. But note wise a lot of shared vibes.

[@fivewattworld]

Hypes! I saw UK on their first American tour in Rochester, winter of ‘79. I’ll bet you were in the room.

[@Cris2Lin]

Mr. FWW good morning to you Sir. You have gotten me to consider reducing my guitar sized from 15 to just 5. And save my ears by lowering my wattage from 100 to just 5. Now that I know you and Mr. Beato are buddies I will just grab my beaoto book 2.0 and learn some new technique worry free. Thank you for both of your works!!!

[@fivewattworld]

@@Cris2Lin Yeah Jon, Rick and I go way back. For the story watch my video on lessons. It tells the story of how Rick and I met and how it was for me to take individual lessons with Rick (if you can imagine that!) And my Beato Book is always up on my desktop and ipad. I don't imagine I'll need another reference.

[@Cris2Lin]

@@fivewattworldI love your new video on "How many amps do you need?" I cant go to a store without seeing you on my shoulder saying remember the video. Right now I am happy with the just the blues junior and for a little more power the fender deluxe. I never have to go above 2 on the volume. Keep up the great work. Watching your videos are the gift I keep giving myself for reducing the clouder of my gear and keeping it simple. Yes! I saw the video when Rick was your teacher. I got three people I watch daily. That's Rick, Rhett and if course Keith William's. That cover my musical journey.

[@JimhawthorneNet]

I love Allan Holdsworth, and that was a great comparison between the two players. I was lucky enough to have the privilege of opening for I.O.U. several times in the 80's with my band 'Drama'. His musical brain is other-worldly (as was your composition at the end of this video Rick).

[@michaelcottle6270]

Opening for Holdsworth, that must have been intimating. When I saw him, the support act was a solo set by his bassist so no guitarist to suffer the comparison...

[@fernandoroza6061]

Light-years ahead...

[@MrTarlecon]

@@michaelcottle6270 ...to suffer the comparison...🤣🤣🤣

[@JohmathanBSwift]

I got to see Pat Methany live a number of years ago, more end 80's beginning 90's, one night. The show was played in one of those old Lowe's theaters built in the 1920's . Saw Pat's name in lights and the show was for that night , so I asked for a best one ticket and I got the 2nd row. All I kept thinking while being amazed at his ability and stage presence was , wow , the choice notes . Such choice notes. Amazing piece yourself Rick . Glad you do You Tube.

[@virgilchin5168]

Music at the end is just amazing. Feels like it opened up a new part of my soul that I haven't been to yet. Wow! This is just C Harmonic major modes?

[@lamech006]

virgil chin “the piece” is stunning

[@bishalshankar9530]

5:04 Some of the most mysterious and beautiful chords ever Allan Holdsworth what a guy he was

[@whirleymetheney]

Pat Metheny is my dad's cousin

[@Swanlord05]

Mine too...I'm black!

[@civilian8697]

​@ShmoozdBeefenStein What 😭

[@realtruenorth]

He is my cousin's baby mama's sister's dude. J/k lol

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

Would love to see a video on Lyle Mays! Severely underrated musician and integral part of the Pat Metheny Group sound and compositional style.

[@jazzerson7087]

Amazing yup, love his 1986 solo album too. Plus that ponytail of about 20 years growth is a work of art too!

[@stillphil]

Pat and Lyle and like Duke and Strathorn.

[@taopagan]

Yes! “Alaskan Suite” from that Lyle Mays record is one of my all time favorites.

[@jazzerson7087]

This Moment and We Are Alone from his Solo Improvisations for Expanded Piano album are superb! Big into Richie Beirach' s Continuum album at the moment. Check out his voicings on Round Midnight and Naima from an album he did with Dave Liebman!!! Smoking!!

[@petertrotman7708]

Beato's the Boss but check out Dr. Guy Shkolnik's channel for more in depth Lyle Mays/Metheny compositional breakdowns.

[@mason4490]

Yes, same chords from Metheny and Holdsworth- ones I never noticed. But while that's a similarity, how each of them employs those choirds- never the twain shall meet. They're both superb. But just physically alone, not many can make the left hand stretches that Allan used. He rocks, but it's harmony from Pluto. Metheny swings and while he uses dissonance, it's usually more subtle. That IOU record is the best example of Holdsworth, and I've never stopped listening to it since it came out. Metheny's gone into more different settings- but is always instantly identifable. Even with his huge body of work, I think Bright Size life may be his most groundbreaking, compositionally.

[@kannonmcafee]

That BadCat DOES sound amazing. I noticed its great tone immediately.

[@lucaschacon8362]

I used to listen to Pat Metheny’s CDs in the car while traveling to visit my grandparents when I was a kid, his music is really special for me. Now how about analyzing Jeff Buckley’s Grace? 🎸 Thanks Rick.

[@josephmarshall6599]

Rick touched on why he hasn't done a Jeff analysis in one of his videos. I believe he said he one problem is the video becomes flagged pretty much instantly and is taken down thanks to the powers that be behind Jeff's music. Jeff is one of Columbia's most prized artist's and his mother has ruled his estate with an iron fist ever since his death. So, it is no surprise the vids would be flagged so quickly....However, Rick did comment that he is planning to do an analysis of a song that is not on Grace (he did not say which album or song). But considering Grace is out of the picture that leaves only My Sweetheart The Drunk and a handful of live albums and bootlegs. Basically Rick can't post any material of Jeff's currently distributed by Columbia. So forget My Sweetheart The Drunk as well. Sooooo, I would guess Rick would analyze Jeff's approach to a cover tune off "Live at The Sin--e "-- there are plenty of cover tunes on the deluxe addition Rick could choose from that Columbia and Jeff's estate haven't any control over as long as he doesn't post Jeff's actual audio recording of whichever cover song it may be. Get what I'm saying? I'm with you though, I love Jeff Buckley and have explored every last corner of his music/output both official and bootlegged. I also love Tim Buckley ("Happy Sad" being a seminal record for sure). Anyhow, we shall keep our finger's crossed.

[@aharchives]

Allan talks about this concept in his instructional video from 1992, with some beautiful examples from several scales. Allan usually referred to Slonimsky regarding music theory, but I'm not sure if these kinds of ideas came from Slonimsky, or where he picked it up. I don't think he ever used the term "harmonic major", though. In addition to jazz, Allan listened a lot to Debussy, Bartok and similar things, so he could have been inspired that way. Does anyone know what inspired Metheny in terms of these types of ideas?

[@DenEz_TV]

Wow, really interesting information! I need to check out Slonimsky at least. Thank you very much!

[@JCGErvin]

Very, very cool. Where else would anyone find something like this? Thank you Rick!

[@johnklatt6935]

In the BEATO BOOK man! Pay attention. :)

[@hawkhead418]

Those compositions using the harmonic major modes is extraordinary! Gods bless your wonderful talents! 🙏🏽

[@tonyrapa-tonyrapa]

2 great guitarists plus one great teacher = one great video.

[@RC32Smiths01]

I knew that these two were easily musical geniuses and and legends in their own right, but this definitely gave me more appreciation for both! Both are influential to my playing! Great work my man!

[@eduardoribeiro383]

Rick, I hope you still read comments on "older" posts like this one. I love the channel, but I miss more jazz. Particularly in the "what makes this song great" sections. Is there any chance we will hear more jazz there. And if you really want to take people off the "comfort zone" may I suggest Suite for Flaute and Jazz Piano (Bolling & Rampal). I ask myself why its so hard to hear Classical/Jazz fusion these days. Thank you in advance and I absolutely love the channel. From Bach to Punk :-)

[@heidiheidiho6412]

Chris Potter seems to be going in that direction, at least to my ears. Check out Imaginary Cities.

[@raysaade]

Rick has a special place in heaven! Thanks for the awesome content man

[@greatmusic382]

Rick, fabulous video, watched at least maybe 25 times, for Holdsworth, and for Metheny, and for Beato, and that PIANO! Superawesomeness (16 letter word) ! Thank you Professor, sincerely, RandyE

[@skullsaber]

I finally bought the Beato Book after watching your channel for a year. I enjoy the new level of interactivity that I know have with the videos...when you say what page to go to, I can actually go there and then do some homework before proceeding in the video. Thank you for everything you do! You are in immense help and an inspiration! Nice new fat frets on that SG, it sounds very articulate.

[@RickBeato]

Excellent! Thanks!!

[@MrBlockHead]

The auto captions said “hi i’m Rick Biatch” Lol!

[@indrajithak47]

I had to see for myself 😂 and it says 'Rich'

[@harryharlow2397]

Your original compositions over those scales are amazing. Visuals are fun too. More like this, please!

[@FakeFlourescentSkies]

7:40 THE GOOD PART rick even put the name of the scale and its degrees for us on screen as well ty fam

[@paulrelvas2206]

Sounds like Holdsworth has more angular resolutions in his chord progressions vs Metheny’s more “In” and pretty resolutions in his compositions

[@alansmith9635]

Agreed. The differences are as great as the similarities. There's a very strong British jazz and prog rock influence in some of Allan's writing. I think of Kenny Wheeler when I hear Allan's '0274' , whereas Pat's obvious country and 'Laurel Canyon' influences are never far from the surface in most of his group repertoire.

[@mekaalhasan6310]

Rick, the pieces you wrote are totally beautiful! What a pleasure to hear these exquisite musical gems.

[@Ramen4All]

Thanks Rick for providing these videos. I started to get into music theory and composition when I was a high school, but life got it the way. Now in my fifties, I am getting back into it. I owe it to you!

[@cemegonuts]

Metheny and Holdsworth really set music free with their music. Hearing it is like nothing else. It's even better having someone like you around to pull back the curtain. I'm no musician, but this stuff interests me and expands my own curiosity and I thank you sir. VERY MUCH! Keep pulling back the curtain! :D

[@dejanhasecic9124]

Kudos to you Mr. Beato! It's rather difficult to say anything cleverer to match the previous comments! Just Keep on Doin' it !

[@daegabmusic59]

I don't know, maybe it's (also) because we're same generation: I find all of your videos interesting and worth watching... but videos like this one in particular (though perhaps not of the most popular kind) are definitely of my very favourite kind!

[@gerryjamesedwards1227]

The Mixolydian flat2 was just beautiful. I'd like to hear a longer composition in a similar vein.

[@henrys.6864]

That scale caught my ear too!

[@Gavilan0508]

That was awesome....Some very intellectual 20th century classical music theory superimposed on top of one of my Favorite jazz guitar players (PM) and then the piano composition that gives you a real feel for how all those scales and chords sound....Incredible. I've never seen anything like that.

[@GrandMaster-Broda]

Those Am7-11-9 chord voicings are priceless, thanks a lot rick!

[@jadeowenhamblyn4405]

OK! wow Rick you sure have a soul connection to those modalities. Revisiting harmonic major for sure now.

[@chukachukachuka1]

What an incredible original composition at the end of this video ! The content on your channel is very inspiring , it would be great if you featured more of your own music as well !!! Cheers

[@marcscordato4385]

2 superb guitarists Pat is the wealthiest guitarist on the planet earth ( estimated net worth of 245 million ) Allan was broke selling off his equipment to make ends meet . Allan is the master of the synth Axe Pat the ultimate Jazz guitarist both are superb . In music some get rich others go broke the same is true of classical( Bach was Poor , Handel was well off ) composers but there wealth or lack there of is not a reflection of there talent .

[@SolarMumuns]

I'd be very surprised if pat was worth anywhere near that. I'd bet that there are rockers like Clapton that are worth more

[@marcscordato4385]

@@SolarMumuns True Eric is worth 450 million but Pat is among the richest believe it or not Keith jarret is worth 200 million most top jazz player like Chick Corea are worth about 3 million that’s big money for jazz Pat and Keith are both savvy investors. Singers make a a lot of money but as pure guitarists go Pat is worth much more then big time rockers like Jimmy page

[@maxcuthbert100]

@@marcscordato4385 Less paternity suits ?

[@TheDeuceofSpades]

I feel like I don't need to eat after I listen to those chords. My appetite is satisfied.

[@nickd8289]

I was listening to both of those albums back then all the time. Really love bright size life with pat and jaco. Great video. Thanks,Rick

[@winstonsmith7652]

What a fcuking talent Rick Beato is. Wonderful composition. Beautiful stuff.

[@markviereck4547]

When talking to a lot of people about the greatest guitarists, I would bring up Holdsworth and they would say , who is he?? I first saw him with UK in Philly...he wS one of the greatest. When he died they had to raise money for his funeral. Just unbelievable

[@drinkspecials]

Thats a goddamn shame. With all he contributed music wise

[@chuckyspell]

That even happens with "famous" guys.

[@jfo3000]

The definitive artist he was, sometimes lived hand to mouth to create and bring that beauty to us. He didn't earn enough to save much it would seem. We are so lucky that the soul of Allan was put here for our enlightenment.

[@marcscordato4385]

Mark Viereck Musicians loved him but he never reached the larger audience .

[@billsybainbridge3362]

That's so sad to hear of his demise, and the shocking lack of financial support he raised. He like many of the greats up to now have had to struggle within a very unfair business model. This needs to change for the benefit of mankind, and future generations of talent.

[@mosesgarner2404]

Those chords played on that '65 SG played through that BadCat head sounds friggin' HEAVENLY! OMG!

[@jameserenberger3425]

This Harmonic Major piece is probably my favorite song of yours, Rick.

[@atroeds]

"Hey, Dylan come here! Could you just play this little piece I wrote on piano real quick?"

[@RickBeato]

Bwhhhhaaaahahhaha!

[@wiseartmusic5979]

bruh that piece iv'e seen you chord out stuff but dind't know you could play piano that well that was amazing

[@ChrisBucheit]

your composition for this video is fantastic Rick!

[@boblob2003]

Hmmm... a Metheny/Holdsworth acoustic album sure would have been something!

[@auberginemachine567]

Outstanding! I really dig your videos, and while not having seen them all, this is the best one of your videos that I have seen. The piece that you composed was very groovy. I learned a mountain about music over the last twelve minutes. Time extremely well spent. Thank you, Mr. Beato.

[@msmirk]

I just have to say Bossa Nova... the modes you greatly demonstrate in this video are very familiar for who's used to listen to some brazilian music from the 60's and 70's. In a wide range of styles you can quote guys like João Gilberto, Tom Jobim, Egberto Gismonti. Pat and Lyle, by the way, tried a bit of bossa nova in the Offramp record. As an example of radical harmony applied to a song, listen to "Beijo Partido", by the guitarist Toninho Horta, as sung by Milton Nascimento.

[@youngchool]

Thnx Rick for another amazing video. Allan had been my guitar hero no1 until 2017 (RIP). Followed by the greats such as Andy Latimer, Jan Akkerman, Michael Schenker, Gary Moore and of course Pat Methney. His UK debut album (no 1!) and Pat's Off ramp are among my favorite albums. Around the same time, I was blown away by AH solo in "Nostalgia" in Jean Luc Ponty album and the Gazeuse album (track called Expresso) by Gong. I haven't watched any video that can 'teach' Allan's music so far. I think I will watch this great video many times. Thanks! Ps) oh just realized Rick has made several Allan Holdsworth videos, I am thrilled, thank you so much Rick!

[@johnjanoski3988]

2 of my all time favorites analyzed by 1 of my new favorites,. That composition at the end was interesting and lots to think about. Good listening!

[@palix5925]

Jean Luc Ponty is so good. I've gotten to see Pat, sadly missed out on Holdsworth. I would love to see Ponty at least once.

[@dwozman1]

Your piece was wonderful. It's a thoughtful approach to being betwixt and between. What i felt at first was that there needed to be some resolution - but not for this. It's kind of like a reconzisitional strangeway that admits the many over-arching fronds of life, yet maintains an individual form of destruction. Highly transitory, perhaps discomforting, but very real. Your work is exceptional. Thank you.

[@wajobu]

This explains partly why I gravitated to their music simultaneously in the late 1970s, although in the case of Holdsworth it was Gong’s album Gazeuse.

[@unoaotroa]

I love your harmonic major videos! There's a very evocative, beautiful sound in that scale. Double Harmonic Major too. Please do more of them.

[@toddwalkerdrumstudio]

Just last wk. I was just working with one of my students transcribing (Steve Smith's) playing from "Jean Luc Ponty- Enigmatic Ocean" transcribing (Steve Smith's) drumming , as well.....Great stuff as always Rick!

[@LawrieFamily]

In college in the 80’s I discovered First Circle & Metal Fatigue. Pat & Allan have been my favorite guitarists ever since! Saw them both live many times. Thank you for your fascinating analysis likening them this way. You made my week!

[@maggieo]

Holy cow, Rick! I never put those two guitarists together and I've been following them for almost as long as you have. And to top it off, an original piece that Lyle Mays would be proud to play.

[@VladimirPedrosa78]

Andy Summers uses 9s a lot too.

[@jkoff76]

Rick. I wish you would do a guitar study of Richard Thompson, the great folk rock guitarist. I've been a fan for years and can't think of a guitarist with a career that extensive who has so few study/analysis videos on the Internet. Richard has his own guitar tutor videos and some assorted fan make KZbin videos of his songs while discussing his playing. But I don't think I've ever seen a professional really analyze his playing technique and what makes it so unique and special. You are an expert in these kinds of musical analysis videos. Anyway, I just thought it was a good idea for a future episode.

[@Ratguitar58]

Amazing piece you have there! Alan Holdsworth fan since enigmatic ocean. Saw UK in 1978 @ Santa Monica civic auditorium following Al DiMeola. ..... great show!

[@guitarpoetone1]

This was beautiful dude thanks yet amazing

[@eatingsound373]

Beautiful composition, Rick.

[@jimmyc5498]

Rick, you killed this one. I would never have paired these two. Totally bizarre hearing you play those voicings from IOU, I remember everyone waiting for the damn thing to come out. Can’t buy you a beer (Alan would have preferred) so sending a photo I took of him at NAMM maybe 83. Thanks jimmyc

[@RickBeato]

Thanks Jimmy!

[@lopezb]

Beautiful chords, fascinating analysis-I'd love to really try to study it. Rick, your piece is wonderful! I was enchanted. In fact, that word could be in the title- even simply "Enchantment". Reminds me a bit of your friend Aydin Essen- does he use these scales too?

[@RickBeato]

Aydin uses everything. Haha!

[@lopezb]

@@RickBeato Aydin's genius is so inspiring. Even if I can't "understand" it, I can "get" it! I'm a math prof, and love to explain and teach, as well as to do my research. So even though you are a fantastic musician, Rick, and composer, and no doubt producer, I view your real genius as the teaching- you are a fantastic professor. And you can lift up a guy like Aydin and make him accessible for all of us as he deserves to be. Keep it up, never get too beaten down by the idiots! Aydin doesn't have a platform w/o you. By analogy, Hendrix is always thought of as a guitarist. But to me he was so much more: even more brilliant as a songwriter, and singer and lyricist; it was the whole package. And even more as a teacher in his own way, breaking the way for everyone else. That part would have come out more if he'd lived longer.

[@godface81]

Hey thanks Rick , playing along! love both. peace and ty

[@mr.brosio7915]

Nice video! I learned some new cool voicings and scales, Please do more like this :)

[@garywordsworth9302]

Rick you should check out Ollie Halsall . He taught the young Alan Holdsworth a hell of a lot when they were both doing session work. Ollie is by far the best guitarist no one has ever heard of and his Legato was second to none. His session work and also his band "Pato" are scarily good. Quite sad that all he is really known for these days is playing the lead guitar, bass parts and vocals that Eric Idle mimes to in "The Rutles" and his brief on screen appearance as Leppo the missing fifth Rutle. Alan referred to Ollie as the best guitarist he ever heard. High praise indeed. Well worth looking into the Late great Mr Halsall .

[@martinhayes6845]

Absolutely, he was amazing, only known to people via his playing with Kevin Ayers , Patti and others.

[@garywordsworth9302]

@@martinhayes6845 If you can check out his brief work with Tempest and John Cale too What a talent ! Always a pleasure to see another Ollie fan

[@Daionzrip]

Money Bag alone from the first Patto album is enough to put Halsall right near the top of heap as jazz guitar improviser. Very few solos of that length and intensity are as memorable. I don't subscribe to the notion that there is a greatest guitarist or that artists should be measured w/ one kind of yardstick, but i don't think Halsey, the Patto drummer was too far off in an interview when he said, "He may not have been the best guitarist in the world, but he was certainly among the top two".

[@srwaite7]

So much fun! Thank you! ps - how about naming your composition “Ode to Aydın” 🌹

[@Koziolrh]

Thanks Rick! Extremely educational!

[@rallypojken]

Wonderful playing.... Thanks for caring for us deadly♥️

[@MrBlessmann]

Great video Rick... and beautiful piece at the end! Congrats man.

[@chuckmadden2251]

That UK LP was one of the first albums I ever owned (random buy cut-out bin). The solo Holdsworth plays on In The Dead Of Night is still in my top 5 favs after all these years.

[@KrystofDreamJourney]

I have transcribed both UK albums, the first one and than Danger Money. I literally spent years of my youth notating note-by-note, mode by mode, all vertical combinations of harmonies AND Wetton’s bass lines, Holdsworth’s solos, Jobson’s keyboards...Treasure trove of musical knowledge !

[@vecernicek2]

Both have amazing harmonic imagination, for sure

[@brianaxel4589]

I miss this version of Rick Beato! Hey Rick - it would be so great if you continued to compose music to exemplify the topic of your video. I'm not the only one who loves your music!

[@markdrum2392]

UK was great! It's great to hear them again. Had a bear of a time finding that LP! How about a stream devoted to Richard Thompson?

[@michaelcottle6270]

+1 for RT, he's a whole different world. I'd love to hear Rick break down what he does...

[@astorina]

Thanks rick for this excellent subject , I am a fan of both guitarists (I have all their records) and I like Beato work and music as well !

[@cesarvillar1933]

Great episode, and a beautiful musical piece

[@frederickthorne2496]

I am so glad I watched this! I will be watching it again for sure. SO much valuable information. Thanks! // also: the music at the end is fantastic!

[@keithjohnson70]

Loved your composition! Bravo!

[@sbi37sak]

Hey Rick, thank you for that amazing comparison. Both players are wonderful artists. Quick remark though: At 6:04min it probably should be A# instead of A and 5 instead of #5, right? At least that's what I hear you playing in the back. Thumbs up!

[@tonebank2000]

I feel that maybe the most interesting thing Holdsworth did is that, at least according to himself, modes are the only thing that matters. As in a chord is a scale with a given bass note. So, to his mental model of harmony, both the examples at 3:02 and 4:33 are just single chord passages. In particular, the first is the root chord of Dorian, while the second would be the third chord of Dorian b5 (Dorian is the "default" mode in his mind). Pretty interesting idea.

[@williamayres4634]

Think of Pat as a trumpet player and Allan as a saxophonist.

[@kyotojoel]

Crikey, and here I thought you were just a super accomplished guitarist and teacher! Piano chops/composing master and filmmaker too??? You could be doing soundtracks too. Wowed.

[@tonyrobertsguitar]

Dang dude! Didn't know you played so well!!!👌

[@proyectophanus]

Nice video, and very nice composition, very really nice!!!

[@theblindsniper]

Sound something like Tigran Hamasyan would write. Beautiful!

[@Simba241014]

Persian Armenian musical frets

[@RafitasGamer]

Hi Rick, do you know Toninho Horta? He also use these kind of harmonic devices and came up in Brazil at the same time that Metheny was starting to appear in the US. Thank you for the amazing videos!

[@arturoromero1871]

Thanks for the tab rick🙏

[@reyesplace1096]

I purchased the iou album at an allanholdsworth concert in 1982, Santa Barbara, california

[@johnvillasana64]

Thank you for this incredible resource. I am learning regularly because of it.

[@Truthinshredding1]

incredible piano bro, love this to be played on guitar too.

[@oddfellowfloyd]

YES! A piece (or few!) like this on guitar would really be amazing, and put it into context, to apply it to our guitars. :)

[@trollstjerne]

Great video! I like the piece you put together in the end. Very nice work!

[@hunterthompson2206]

Hey, Rick, how about "What Makes This Song Great" with a Pat Metheny tune? Bright Size Life has such unique chords; maybe one of those tunes would be an interesting candidate for discussing the harmonic ideas.