THE BLACK SABBATH SOUND | The Sound of Metal

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Rick Beato

Rick Beato

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In this episode we discuss "The Black Sabbath Sound". We found the gear that Tony Iommi used, try our best to replicate the sound, and compare it with the original. How do you think we did?
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@Ranmann86
@Ranmann86 3 жыл бұрын
Sabbath is so overshadowed by ozzy and tony nobody ever talks about how geezer and bill are one of the greatest rhythm sections in all of music
@yangerjamir0906
@yangerjamir0906 3 жыл бұрын
Bill Ward is very underrated. I rarely hear his name spoken when people talk of great drummers.
@KCJAM1
@KCJAM1 3 жыл бұрын
Someone had to say it and you are 100% spot on. They kicked ass from the 1st album!
@davidpaul6656
@davidpaul6656 3 жыл бұрын
I agree! The way Geezer plays adds to the "Sabbath Sound". They way he slaps the strings to get that big sound and the way Bill attacks the drums adds to their sound
@ctld5266
@ctld5266 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidpaul6656 not to mention, that pretty much all the lyrics are from him also
@Eqpesan
@Eqpesan 3 жыл бұрын
@@yangerjamir0906 sabbath bloody sabbath as well as children of the grave works so damn primarily because of them damn drums
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 3 жыл бұрын
Rhett: "We could a whole 'nother video on Geezer Butler's bass tones." YES YES YES
@davidozab2753
@davidozab2753 3 жыл бұрын
A THOUSAND TIMES YES
@chueco9940
@chueco9940 3 жыл бұрын
Please Rick!!
@danteruivo
@danteruivo 3 жыл бұрын
This
@Exspazament
@Exspazament 3 жыл бұрын
Please Rick??? :-)
@mr.cheese7763
@mr.cheese7763 3 жыл бұрын
+1 For the Geezer video!
@RhettShull
@RhettShull 3 жыл бұрын
Bottom line is, it’s hard to beat an SG into that Laney.
@gregorytoddsmith9744
@gregorytoddsmith9744 3 жыл бұрын
Nice tone chasing Rhett!! 🤘😎🤘
@geoffraines5640
@geoffraines5640 3 жыл бұрын
You guys inspired me to learn this song today! This is one of the heaviest songs of all time.
@dylandenney3980
@dylandenney3980 3 жыл бұрын
Most of my favorite tones are p90 SGs and Les Pauls. Tony, early Santana, Tommy/Leeds era Townsend...
@clysher
@clysher 3 жыл бұрын
There was almost too much sustain, it really sang.
@Mike-bx4ww
@Mike-bx4ww 3 жыл бұрын
Good day, can anyone tell me what the actual TUNING was? I think it was tuned to standard 440. I think it was tuned down, which would also give you a "Thicker" tone/sound. Any assistance in answering this question would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time.
@RC32Smiths01
@RC32Smiths01 3 жыл бұрын
Tony and Geezer have some of the most insane tones and sounds for their time, ones that defined metal! Great to see you and Rhett do more collaborations!
@drewserafini1237
@drewserafini1237 3 жыл бұрын
I was SO happy that you guys chose Into The Void for this demonstration. Most everybody when they think of Sabbath, they think of the "hits" Iron Man, Paranoid, War Pigs, etc., but I think I can speak for most fellow Sabbath fans when I say that this track is possibly their finest moment on record. Also, I find it strange that the C# standard tuning wasn't mentioned in this video. Iommi started using it on Master of Reality to reduce the tension in the strings to ease the discomfort he felt using his false fingertips. This had the side effect of darkening the overall sound and mood of the music considerably and to me, MoR and its subsequent follow ups sound more recognizably metal than the first two Sabbath albums.
@JungleJuiceJoey
@JungleJuiceJoey 3 жыл бұрын
I think Master of Reality is one of the best albums ever created
@shadcovert1160
@shadcovert1160 3 жыл бұрын
I also found it quite interesting they didn't mention the finger tips/bottle caps/leather. Nor the solution of tuning down.
@skalra63
@skalra63 3 жыл бұрын
Into the void is the best Sabbath track
@themightymcb7310
@themightymcb7310 3 жыл бұрын
Rick's sound was definitely closer imo, but honestly neither of the tones sounded like sabbath until that bass track came in. You guys weren't kidding, Geezer really was the backbone of Sabbath's sound.
@harryh5620
@harryh5620 3 жыл бұрын
His sound was bloody spot on. Pretty amazing.
@jayco800
@jayco800 3 жыл бұрын
Very first time I heard Nirvana, I thought, who is that trying to sound like a modern Geezer Butler? Well that was just first impression obviously cannot compare, but that bass stood out. Not like Geddy Lee complicated, but for that complicated simplicity. Hard to put a finger on but he is something else.
@SomeJustice19k
@SomeJustice19k 3 жыл бұрын
Idk what you're talking about. The first tone sounded amazing.
@avgmaster1
@avgmaster1 3 жыл бұрын
Where was NIB or Children of the grave or anything. To me Sabbath is SG with humbuckers playing Sabbath bloody Sabbath or Iron man. All those were recorded using single coilish P 90s?
@themightymcb7310
@themightymcb7310 3 жыл бұрын
@@avgmaster1 Not sure exactly when Iommi switched to humbuckers, but I know for sure that the first two albums at least were p90s. Potentially Master of Reality as well.
@jeddak
@jeddak 3 жыл бұрын
to get that authentic Iommi sound, you need to string the guitar with 8's and chop the ends of your fingers off
@unfetteredaxes1032
@unfetteredaxes1032 3 жыл бұрын
And homemade prosthetic finger tips....thimbles I think
@keithedwinsmith9416
@keithedwinsmith9416 3 жыл бұрын
You need a Brummie accent, too😹
@jburdsinfuse
@jburdsinfuse 3 жыл бұрын
Tone is in the the fingers (or lack thereof)
@Malum09
@Malum09 3 жыл бұрын
@@RonSwansonIsMyGod he only lost the tips, no the whole fingers
@unfetteredaxes1032
@unfetteredaxes1032 3 жыл бұрын
@@CanYouDig WOW..thats gotta produce some original tone
@waytoomanyguitars
@waytoomanyguitars 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 55 years old. I still remember a friend of mine playing me "Into the Void" when I was in high school. One of those times where my mind was completely blown wide open. That opening riff... holy crap!!
@omairsh8
@omairsh8 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! The entire song is a riff masterclass
@jessejordache1869
@jessejordache1869 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite songs to blast out of my car early in the morning. There's something sublime about your car blaring sabbath as you're pulling into the supermarket parking lot. :)
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape Жыл бұрын
@@jessejordache1869 Or into a church parking lot.
@Paulnap
@Paulnap 3 жыл бұрын
No fingertips were cut off during the making of this video.
@sottinger2638
@sottinger2638 3 жыл бұрын
haha-underrated comment. well played
@Emet.V
@Emet.V 3 жыл бұрын
@@sottinger2638 you could say a cut above the rest.
@kouroshesfandiari1278
@kouroshesfandiari1278 3 жыл бұрын
Ikr dislike
@peternorthe1912
@peternorthe1912 3 жыл бұрын
My observation on the Sabbath sound is that even without Ozzy's stunning vocals and wonderfully grim lyrics, the sound still tells the listener the story of where these guys come from; growing up in post-WW2 England and hard times. These amazing songs they have... right from the sound of the first chord, you damn well know they ain't writing a song about a nice picnic at the beach.
@marcusfarren7047
@marcusfarren7047 3 жыл бұрын
Geezer wrote the lyrics
@guero_mocoso
@guero_mocoso 3 жыл бұрын
Gezer Butler wrote 95% of the Ozzy era Sabbath lyrics. Ozzy didn't write lyrics for most of his solo career either. Still love those haunting vocals though!!!
@richardhincemon9423
@richardhincemon9423 3 жыл бұрын
Ozzy and lyrics LOL😂
@jennifers6055
@jennifers6055 2 жыл бұрын
Well, maybe a picnic with the dead...
@polarvortex3294
@polarvortex3294 Жыл бұрын
​@@richardhincemon9423Ozzy was very... um... creative with lyrics live. Change 'em on the fly, he could.
@kevingordon669
@kevingordon669 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up listening to Sabbath, now I'm 42 I still get chills listening to them! They gave us awesome music, that even my kids love
@deanbaxter777
@deanbaxter777 3 жыл бұрын
Sounded good to me. I'd love to see a video on Geezer's bass tones.
@dianefatigati8001
@dianefatigati8001 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 57 years old and I have been a huge fan of Black Sabbath since I was 10years old. Love , love , love them
@mr.cheese7763
@mr.cheese7763 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video on Geezer's sound.
@rbevans4581
@rbevans4581 3 жыл бұрын
I saw Sabbath at Cobo Hall 1974 doing Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, I recall thinking or (being told) it was a long time ago, that there were 2 bass guitars on stage and that is why the sound was so extremely heavy. Totally unlike anything we had ever heard before. We were listening to Zep, Elton, Rod Stewart, Pink Floyd, Beatles, and then this band, heavy as a wet rug. A huge part of my teen years.
@bowriverblues8445
@bowriverblues8445 3 жыл бұрын
The thimbles on iommi’s fingers was also a part of his sound....the amp, the pedal, the guitar, the thimbles, and his playing was like the perfect concoction. Things just don’t come to together like that very often, it’s just a great sound, that’s why it still stands up today.
@karlmcintyre214
@karlmcintyre214 2 жыл бұрын
Massive respect that you both recognise the important sabbath sound!
@cheezyridr
@cheezyridr 2 жыл бұрын
here i am a year later, and this video showed up in my feed again. i really hope you'll do the bass version for this someday.
@hofitpeer175
@hofitpeer175 3 жыл бұрын
please do a video about geezer butler's bass, he is one of my favorites and his tone is my favorite fingerstyle tone out of all rock and metal bass players i like.
@KingsArt01
@KingsArt01 3 жыл бұрын
YES Tony's sound is amazing
@stevenguevara2184
@stevenguevara2184 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are beyond entertaining and informative My Man. Thank You
@1962Sparkie
@1962Sparkie 3 жыл бұрын
Rick's sound on "Into The Void" was spot on!!
@notalcno9
@notalcno9 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing as always Rick. I live about a mile away from Tony Iommi's birthplace and have also met the great man. Your videos are always amazing.
@mikewallace3957
@mikewallace3957 3 жыл бұрын
Rick's tone sound very, very close. Agree with the bass tone being an integral part of their sound. Awesome vid
@roscoepcoltrane23
@roscoepcoltrane23 3 жыл бұрын
Geezer drives the bus. His bass tone live was awesome.
@everettguy7070
@everettguy7070 Жыл бұрын
Man that sounded great! I seen sabbath many times, best sound ever.
@30yearslater27
@30yearslater27 3 жыл бұрын
I've been playing for over 30 years, and I love your passion. Digital is close enough for me, but it's still very interesting to know the history.
@iggyfritz7150
@iggyfritz7150 3 жыл бұрын
My God how much do I love my Sabbath! 😁 Awesome video, myself just recently removed every picture off the walls in my house listening to master of reality and I am 60 💪 😁. Used to own a 50watt laney and man that amp was brutal. Thanks Rick love that you share your expertise. I always Learn something. Much Love and respect.
@johnjumper7066
@johnjumper7066 3 жыл бұрын
I really like how direct and systematic your presentations are so many others are very confusing. Great job.
@nathanmelia2570
@nathanmelia2570 3 жыл бұрын
Please do one for Led Zeppelin 🙏
@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020
@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 3 жыл бұрын
@@POLYFUSIABAND - yeah but wasn’t his main sound a Les Paul running through a Marshall? Shouldn’t be hard to replicate by adjusting some of the Volume, Presence, Gain etc. Except for the first LP in which he used a Telecaster running through a Supro.
@indiebekonn
@indiebekonn 3 жыл бұрын
@@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 not on the most of the records, even electric parts of stairway were recorded on fender 12 and a tele
@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020
@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 3 жыл бұрын
@@indiebekonn - that’s true.
@abominablemusic
@abominablemusic 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using a Laney VC30 for the last few years, absolute beast of an amp! Great video guys!
@j800r_aswell
@j800r_aswell 3 жыл бұрын
Damn Rick! This is the video I didn't know I was waiting for. When you've covered legendary/greatest/most influential guitarists and the like I've always been thinking "Is Tony gonna be in this one?" Tony Iommi's influence on the guitar world cannot be overstated. He created a whole genre without realising it more or less (Geezer and Bill of course played big parts as well.) To him, he was always playing hard rock, just a little more loud and dirty but in truth the heavy metal guitar sound was born. Not only was Tony unique in his play style but in my opinion he was the greatest riffmeister to ever walk the earth. The guy is just an endless fountain of riffs. I can name standout ones but the truth is next to none of his riffs were ever boring or stale (perhaps until the 13 album but there were cancer troubles surrounding that and it's been many decades of endless riffs at this point.) Into The Void was one you pointed out. Supernaught is another. A National Acrobat, The Writ, Supertzar, Dirty Women, Heaven and Hell and on and on and on and on... Even as recent as Heaven and Hell's "The Devil You Know" album. Check out The Fear and just when you think all his ideas must be spent he pulls off one of the most standout riffs of his entire career!! Tony Iommi was the reason I got into guitar and the reason I chose an SG.
@kirkbolas4985
@kirkbolas4985 3 жыл бұрын
That’s really interesting...that the common mode noise from the AC mains creates an AC mains frequency dependent undertone when increased gain is the game. I did not know that.
@sazarod
@sazarod 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah to the Sabbath Bass video!!! Thanks Rick and Rhett! Great work
@leec2782
@leec2782 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else waiting for Tony to chip in like he did with circle of tone? :-)
@SimpleManGuitars1973
@SimpleManGuitars1973 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I'd call that "chipping in" as much as I'd call it straight up nuking. LOL!
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 3 жыл бұрын
What is this you speak of? Link?
@wilywascal2024
@wilywascal2024 3 жыл бұрын
Right with you, Rhett--Sabbath is definitely my favorite heavy metal band. Not only the great, unique sound of Iommi's guitar and amp, but Geezer's sublime bass, Ozzy's passionate vocals, the tight drum work--and so many really great songs. Zeppelin is probably my favorite rock-'n-roll band, but never considered them to be a heavy metal band like Sabbath, rather more diverse and blues oriented, capable of belting out great heavy metal. Black Sabbath's softer instrumentals, like 'Solitude,' have always found quite special, as well. The only fault ever had with Sabbath is Iommi's lead parts can sometimes be a bit aimless, disjointed from the song, and overdone. Like lead guitar that can take you away, tells a story, is more melodic. Felt Iommi didn't always succeed in capturing or holding one's interest with his leads on some of their songs, while still enjoying the song overall.
@jetydosa1
@jetydosa1 3 жыл бұрын
I never get enough of Ricks videos. Especially the tone chase ones
@waynewyckoff2576
@waynewyckoff2576 3 жыл бұрын
Great again. I always get something great from Rick's videos!! Get the Beato book. ITS AWSOME!!
@raymondshenassa
@raymondshenassa 3 жыл бұрын
Tommy had an accident when he was a kid where the tips of his fingers were cut off. As a result he started to cover the tips of his fingers with leather. So leather touching the strings has a major effect on his tone. (The other side item is his pick as well as how he uses his pick.)
@timwirasnik5878
@timwirasnik5878 3 жыл бұрын
Any Video that features Black Sabbath is AWESOME!
@bonejackal
@bonejackal 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm glad I stumbled across this video. I have loved Sabbath since first hearing them in the 6th grade (1971). I picked up the guitar and learned Iron Man and I haven't been the same since!!!!
@ShaneTheViking
@ShaneTheViking 3 жыл бұрын
Nailed it, especially if you dont side by side compare, and crank up the volume till the neighbors complain. Pretty cool man.
@megatoneamps
@megatoneamps 3 жыл бұрын
the lower octave ghost notes are based off 120 HZ in US vs. 100 HZ in UK using a full wave bridge rectifier type power supply
@ScreaminT81
@ScreaminT81 3 жыл бұрын
Rhett Shull playing Sabbath is absolutely amazing!!!!
@tonyrun5802
@tonyrun5802 4 ай бұрын
6:15 that reminds me of the sound produced by bells. As Joey Brink explains masterfully in one of his videos, bells produce overlapping 3rd intervals in their sound waves, thus making them sound a bit dissonant; that includes *that* lower note. So it's fun to notice the similarity for that low end in comparison
@ton_of_youtube1831
@ton_of_youtube1831 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Love the Sabs! Great to see you do a video on them and would like see more on Iommi. Also, would like to see some videos on Bill Ward and Geezer Butler as well. All great musicians. Like your guest, Black Sabbath was my favorite heavy metal band. The band was greatly underrated by many critics (sadly). And they rarely got any radio time. Yet look at what they accomplished.
@beast_of_burden7762
@beast_of_burden7762 3 жыл бұрын
Rick Is probably my Favorite Italian Besides Chef Boyardee
@williamgray8522
@williamgray8522 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, this comment made me laugh 😂
@jimgardner5129
@jimgardner5129 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha!!! I burst out laughing when I should be getting ready for work. Well done.
@inmyruins
@inmyruins 3 жыл бұрын
Rick--do a Doom metal video! This is a start but if you move into Matt Pike territory it could get interesting.
@stephenord3403
@stephenord3403 3 жыл бұрын
Rick knows his stuff. Much respect. Love from England 🇬🇧 ❤
@dramius
@dramius 2 жыл бұрын
You guys nailed it pretty good. Could be a small difference in mic placement, but I doubt anyone would never know.
@ScottEgan69
@ScottEgan69 3 жыл бұрын
Ozzy's singing was a key element to the Sabbath Sound.
@nailer40
@nailer40 3 жыл бұрын
Dio?
@erezamir7218
@erezamir7218 3 жыл бұрын
Ozzy sounds so spectral on Paranoid its amazing
@tomazferreira6990
@tomazferreira6990 3 жыл бұрын
Tony Martin?
@terrypussypower
@terrypussypower 3 жыл бұрын
@@nailer40 "Dio"? Nah. The Sabbath sound was fully developed years before Dio joined.
@harpyfridge
@harpyfridge 3 жыл бұрын
Ozzy Osbourne is the least talented individual to ever perform with Black Sabbath.
@Yu-Fei-Hung
@Yu-Fei-Hung 3 жыл бұрын
The first time I listened BS (Black Sabbath song and Lord of this World album) I thought "these guys have a really thick sound" and the Void song is one of my favs. Great review, Regards from México!
@aljustal7577
@aljustal7577 3 жыл бұрын
There were some differences in the mids, but lighter strings and a heavier pick would have made it sound closer. Also, Geezer's grumbly rubbery bass tone melds so well with the guitar tone that the whole thing takes on a life of it's own 😀
@z-9693
@z-9693 2 жыл бұрын
You gotta do this with Geezer's bass tones! He changed my life & set me on a trajectory that just would NOT have been possible without his contributions. Yeah I was influenced by Jack Bruce, Paul McCartney, John Entwistle, JPJ, Felix Pappalardi, etc. but Geezer INSPIRED me!! Next Level sh*t! He was, and still is, the measure of the Heavy bass player! Long Live Geez!!,
@stevewills735
@stevewills735 3 жыл бұрын
This would have been a blast to shoot this! Great job guys. Yep everybody is waiting on that GEEZER B bass video cheers!
@artturnerjr
@artturnerjr 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid, guys! Surprised you didn't mention that Iommi downtuned 1 1/2 steps here - such an important part of his sound.
@blackoutput
@blackoutput 3 жыл бұрын
Tony's sounds was a lot rounder imo. Might be achievable simply by picking a little closer to the neck.
@omairsh8
@omairsh8 3 жыл бұрын
Actually it's only really achievable if your name is Tony Iommi
@F66Alex
@F66Alex 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely bloody awesome video! Thanks, Rick! You nailed it brilliant!
@joegames1751
@joegames1751 3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! Gave me chills man!
@edswramp
@edswramp 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos, in fact, your channel is very insightful. Thank you very much. I got hooked on it after watching the one about Beethoven. Keep up the good work Rick. Nice tones with the Laney BTW.
@williamolsen20
@williamolsen20 2 жыл бұрын
This sound is hard to emulate for a lot of reasons, but a big one I imagine is the string gauges that Tony used, and the tuning he used because of his missing fingertips.
@elisabens25
@elisabens25 3 жыл бұрын
Great job. 98% with Tony’s being slightly sludgier (more burnt black motor oil). Easily the heaviest tune of all time. Slayer and Metallica never even got close . Awesome.
@jimmyholloway8527
@jimmyholloway8527 Жыл бұрын
I'm just a simple home studio guitar player who's been playing Sabbath with my bands in the past and along with my "records" since 1978. I've always wondered why, when a 4x12 cab obviously has 4 speakers, why the 1 microphone? Y'all nailed the tones but yeah, Tony's fingertips and technique were the distinguishing factors.
@alansmith9948
@alansmith9948 5 ай бұрын
Need a deep dive into Sabbath, Bloody, Sabbath.. Tony and Geezer making the heaviest riff EVER!!
@chris900f
@chris900f 3 жыл бұрын
"Zeppelin is Not METAL!!!!" LOL I'm old enough to remember when Sabbath, Zeppelin and Priest were called the "Unholy Trinity" (in the 70's), and all three terrified the "Moral Majority" conservatives. No faded jean jacket was complete without all three logos (done by hand in blue ballpoint pen) and probably an AC/DC with the lightening bolt too, just cuz' WTF AC/DC man!
@HeathenDance
@HeathenDance 3 жыл бұрын
I like Zeppelin, but it's still not Metal. The Doors also have a couple of songs which are quite "hard rock", for example "Break On Through". But Metal isn't Hard Rock.
@chris900f
@chris900f 3 жыл бұрын
@@HeathenDance Modern Metal is not Heavy Metal. But let's stick with Sabbath and Zep: which song is more "metal" The Wizard or the Immigrant Song?
@farqueleyou7578
@farqueleyou7578 3 жыл бұрын
"zeppelin is not metal" ahh the mating call of the djent kids
@farqueleyou7578
@farqueleyou7578 3 жыл бұрын
@@HeathenDance you sound like you listen to bmth exclusively
@jackhaugh
@jackhaugh 3 жыл бұрын
@Helle Fyre go back to “Faux” News comments section!
@RemyTrahant
@RemyTrahant 3 жыл бұрын
Super cool video, many thanks, Rick and Rhett!
@freddybrass
@freddybrass 3 жыл бұрын
Really well done and thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought you guys came very very close in sound however, near the end of the video, you mentioned how Tony’s way of playing contributes in part to the difference but you left out the fact that he has plastic tips on his fingertips which completely sounds different. Long live Black Sabbath! Thx
@PerezBroz-p5o
@PerezBroz-p5o 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Rick's tone was almost indistinguishable from iommi's
@jonathanvince8173
@jonathanvince8173 3 жыл бұрын
Also the difference is left handed some times guitars sound worse making them in to left hand but then you get the odd ones that work. But there is also on subtle difference that no one can emulate or copy of Tony he has three fingers ends got chopped off when he was working with metal in a factory. So Tony made and glued ceramic or plastic ends to his fingers which makes it all more incredible.
@TalkHard
@TalkHard 7 ай бұрын
10:11 - that's the quickest shave I've ever seen!
@JudgeLazar
@JudgeLazar 3 жыл бұрын
You do a Sabbath video and I missed it by a month. Great. Now do more!
@kenyonanderson5275
@kenyonanderson5275 3 жыл бұрын
I was watching The End of the End last night and found out that Tony had to tune down his guitar to D or C# to reduce the tension on the strings because of his finger prosthetics. That low tuning helps increase the heaviness of his licks and really started the Heavy Metal tuning even though Jimi and others tuned to Eb. I've been playing my Tony Iommi SG signature model and LOVE IT!! Would like to know more about the Ghost Tone pedal you mentioned, and more Geezer! Thanks Rick!! Awesome stuff!!
@josepharena2539
@josepharena2539 3 жыл бұрын
Big fan of Sabbath, and you guys I think pretty much nailed it nice job
@JDR1971
@JDR1971 2 жыл бұрын
NERDS!!! Keep nerding out, so awesome! Sabbath and Ozzie are in my top five of all time for me.
@justb6569
@justb6569 2 жыл бұрын
Do a video for Geezer's tone, please!! Like you said, the combination of the two tones makes the sound of Sabbath.
@richardbulthuis6896
@richardbulthuis6896 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff love all of your amp info Best band to cover. Keep it coming 😎👍
@ronnie5129
@ronnie5129 3 жыл бұрын
A Variac Rules, you need one no matter what country you play in, or what city in America, Electricity coming into your amp is different everywhere,
@ronr7905
@ronr7905 3 жыл бұрын
I think you had the amps right, the sound was very close, but neither of you is a left handed guitarist with plastic tips on the fingers of your fretting hand. Tony is truly one of a kind.
@williamriddle4474
@williamriddle4474 3 жыл бұрын
The ghosting harmonic could also be caused by setting the stompbox on top of the head with a bit of transformer EMF getting into the circuit. Similar things happen with bass DI's sitting on top of the bass amp in live sound
@hijosdelhongo2285
@hijosdelhongo2285 10 ай бұрын
I was lucky to acquire an old Supergroup 100w head a couple of years ago. Looking at the voltages inside the amp and at the data sheets of them old EL84s, it's pretty obvious these amps were design to run them power tubes of the era at their limits(screen voltage at least). I also remember reading somewhere that these amps came biased on the 'colder' side making the amps prone to crossover distortion, or as mentioned in this video, ghosting.
@Supertzar999
@Supertzar999 2 жыл бұрын
You're setup is almost identical to mine. I've got a P90 Gibson SG through a Keeley modified TS9DX into a Keeley Modified Rat into a 100w Klipp amp. I think I was able to dial in a tone that nails the Master of Reality sound. Yours and Rhetts sound good but I don't see you guys using the Klipp channel, which is essential. I then max the gain on Klipp so that it blends with the gain going into the amp. Result is magic.
@farn451
@farn451 3 жыл бұрын
the RAT sound was too thin, your sound was close but they're both too tight, there's a looseness, an un-gated quality to their playing that you can hear in tony's track. other strings are sounding out briefly, you can hear his movement in his intonations.
@kevinstarofficial
@kevinstarofficial 3 жыл бұрын
you are totally right. and that's because tony never used any pedal for boost or distortion in front of his amp.
@orokusaki8291
@orokusaki8291 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinstarofficial he used a rangemaster in front of his laney heads.
@kevinstarofficial
@kevinstarofficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@orokusaki8291 sure, but that's no overdrive or distortion pedal like the ratt
@gyffesme
@gyffesme 3 жыл бұрын
So Rick, as a non-gearhead (well.. non-musician), it would've been great to've *heard* the difference between your inadequate SG and the one you went with. All that gear, tweaks, etc, and the PICKUPS precluded it? Perhaps a show for another day?
@WillelmMacguyver
@WillelmMacguyver 3 жыл бұрын
The Klipp wasn't a just Super Group with a built in treble booster pushing the front end, as logical as that would be.... instead Laney put in a bizarre starved plate voltage fake phase inverter thing which apparently was supposed to sound like a fuzz box. And, to further defy common sense, they stuck it in between the input and the eq driver stages (after the channel volume). I had always heard the Klipp was meant to be Laney's Tony Iommi signature amp but he refused the endorsement after briefly trying them out. By the sound you guys are getting here, it would appear that brief period of time happened to include recording Master of Reality; great job with this one👍
@tedmen1123
@tedmen1123 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah yall got close!! Prob the best attempt at sabbath tone I have heard.
@radoslavkasparec9345
@radoslavkasparec9345 3 жыл бұрын
Rick: "And in order to mimic Tony's signature sound even better, we're gonna cut off tips of Rhett's fingers." Rhett: "Yeah, yeah... WHAT?!"
@CraigKeidel
@CraigKeidel 3 жыл бұрын
This should be top comment, I choked laughing.
@robertkroberjr.157
@robertkroberjr.157 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😎👍
@unclejj13er75
@unclejj13er75 2 жыл бұрын
To get a TRUE comparison....
@shawnbruce6934
@shawnbruce6934 2 жыл бұрын
LOL.
@raytrembath
@raytrembath Жыл бұрын
and play left handed
@rockstarcoder
@rockstarcoder 2 жыл бұрын
Really wish you'd interview Tony Iommi -- get him to share the music creation process, talk about music, music theory, etc.... so many of these legends are getting up there.
@Karlgolden
@Karlgolden 3 жыл бұрын
Such a dirty iconic tone man! Great video Rick and Rhett 🙌
@marcgabor9690
@marcgabor9690 3 жыл бұрын
It's so friggin FILTHY!!
@GoodSneakers
@GoodSneakers 3 жыл бұрын
A Sabbath cover band should be named “Can’t Believe It’s Not Butler”
@noahb498
@noahb498 3 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant
@fourortwelvestrings
@fourortwelvestrings 3 жыл бұрын
NICE.
@mikeljmcphee
@mikeljmcphee 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@sebastianelytron8450
@sebastianelytron8450 3 жыл бұрын
Why would you leave out the I lmao
@ianwilkinson4602
@ianwilkinson4602 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, that made me laugh.
@guillermoalfredochamorroca791
@guillermoalfredochamorroca791 3 жыл бұрын
Not a lot of people talk about the Geezer's bass tone on N.I.B.
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 3 жыл бұрын
Love his tone on Warning.
@Gledii
@Gledii 3 жыл бұрын
Ohhh N.I.B. one of the most underated/forgotten songs ... What a tone!
@DDubyah17
@DDubyah17 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Please do more on Geezer’s sound
@MrHeshersNeighborhood
@MrHeshersNeighborhood 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a defining moment in music history.
@CanadianRandom
@CanadianRandom 3 жыл бұрын
I remember reading something about a guitar head and amp with a blown speaker and a wah pedal accidently left half on that someone bumped into when the solo volume goes down but they couldn't afford another take. Also he cranks the mids, playes at bottom of the neck. All of the first album was recorded in one day, mixed the next. Really amazing stuff.
@Johannore
@Johannore 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone who says "Sabbath is my favorite metal band of all time" is for shure just a great guy.
@davesaenz3732
@davesaenz3732 3 жыл бұрын
Metallica says that too
@Morbidous
@Morbidous 3 жыл бұрын
A great, wise, and with a very good taste guy.
@vale_recca
@vale_recca 3 жыл бұрын
They're the first and best of all time
@demonslayer5613
@demonslayer5613 5 күн бұрын
This guy really spelled it like SHURE and nobody is saying anything
@davebasch5995
@davebasch5995 3 жыл бұрын
Ill never forget an early written description of Tony's guitar style: " graveyard rhythms"
@craigmurphy1204
@craigmurphy1204 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great band name - think Ghost doing full on disco
@nathanaelcaballero217
@nathanaelcaballero217 3 жыл бұрын
@@craigmurphy1204 at least we need an album with that name
@corybarnes2341
@corybarnes2341 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the Bobby Picket was the graveyard king with the graveyard swing.
@nickdecker2350
@nickdecker2350 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of RZA's "burial ground sound" his beats were often referred to as
@davidhefner2010
@davidhefner2010 Жыл бұрын
Lol Just plain knarly
@fluxerflixer1
@fluxerflixer1 3 жыл бұрын
Geezer’s bass sound and style, IMO, was just as important as Toni’s guitar sound and style. These videos are epic, TY!
@kl8041
@kl8041 3 жыл бұрын
Such a dirty iconic tone man! Great video Rick and Rhett 🙌
@chris900f
@chris900f 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine the level of anguish he must have felt as a young guy, chopping off his fingers on his last day of work before he was supposed to go on his first tour. It must have seemed like the end of the world. A lot of people have been through hell, but I like to think that while Tony was there he kicked the devil in the nuts and stole his leather jacket.
@kenduffy5397
@kenduffy5397 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, lol lol
@bimbobaggypants4820
@bimbobaggypants4820 3 жыл бұрын
Same as rick Allen when he lost his arm, amazing when he came back to Def leopard with his adapted drum kit
@jmac5892
@jmac5892 3 жыл бұрын
You won the internet with that comment, sir.
@MinorInfluence92
@MinorInfluence92 3 жыл бұрын
It’s like those cops one day before retirement
@desiolle2874
@desiolle2874 3 жыл бұрын
Working in a heavy machine factory with METAL....wtf?....he was going to blow off the afternoon shift but his Mum made him go back...Mums know best!
@ShredBird
@ShredBird 3 жыл бұрын
A comment on ghosting from an electrical engineer (me): When you take AC wall voltage and convert it to DC, it's usually not perfectly stable, there is a ripple on it at the frequency (or twice the frequency depending on how it's rectified) of the wall voltage. This DC voltage is then used to bias and power the amplifier stages. The amplifier stages' gains are sensitive to the DC biasing, which has a ripple on it, causing the gain to have a ripple on it as well, which modulates in your tone. For amplifiers, the amount which power supply noise/harmonics bleed into your output is known as the "Power Supply Rejection Ratio". Very cool that something that would be considered a flaw in any other engineering application is aesthetically pleasing in this one, very cool that some of the modelers are starting to incorporate that as well. I'd be happy to talk about it more if you'd like, just shoot me a message. EDIT: It's worth noting that because the UK runs a 50 Hz grid, if you want authentic ghosting, you'd have to plug in overseas (or buy an inverter that produces 50 Hz) 😜
@Fix_It_Again_Tony
@Fix_It_Again_Tony 3 жыл бұрын
That's really interesting. I've never messed with tubes, everything I design is solid state. When I want to amplify a signal I use an op amp which typically have high PSRR and are completely different in operation from a tube. I would definitely try to filter that ripple out of the DC if I was making an amp, but like you said what is a "flaw" gives the equipment it's character and now they try to emulate those effects with solid state and digital electronics. Kind of an aside, but have you ever heard of NwAvGuy? He's got some great articles online about sound quality. He uses a lot of high tech and high dollar gear to objectively analyze audio equipment. Also an EE.
@ShredBird
@ShredBird 3 жыл бұрын
@@Fix_It_Again_Tony Yeah, I've run into a couple times in my career. Once when designing a high sensitivity transimpedance amplifier for a satellite instrument. The issue was that the instrument was being powered by a switching regulator which is even more noisy than rectifier type power supply. I've also seen power supply noise bleed into low-noise amplifiers on RF front-ends. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll take a look at NwAvGuy!
@markjames8664
@markjames8664 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting comment about switching power supplies, since they are so common in modern electronics. I’m a ham radio operator, and noise from cheap switching supplies is a big problem in the RF range. Often hams prefer linear power supplies with transformers for this reason.
@atech9020
@atech9020 3 жыл бұрын
Very true. And perhaps one thing that wasn't mentioned was how the capacitor's size and number of them in the power supply of the amp have an effect on ghosting. Smaller capacitors allow more ripple to get through but also recover faster when discharged, larger capacitors have less ripple, but take longer to charge back up when they are discharged. Ghosting is the audible artifact that the discharging and recovering ( recharging ) capacitors create. There is also the number of nodes within the power supply. Each node utilizes a capacitor and a series of resistors to further reduce ripple downstream and also drop the voltage to the proceeding stages. The more nodes, the less ripple that is usually noticed at the critical first stages of the amplifiers preamp section. Fewer nodes mean more ripple gets to the preamp stages and a much higher draw on the node which discharges the capacitor faster. Having large coupling caps can also cause this as the amount of bass that each stage amplifies will eventually end up modulating with the power supply rail. 60hz and 120hz are common frequencies in which a power supply will show ripple. Most guitars don't have much content below about 80hz. So if you allow a significant amount of low-frequency content from the guitar to get amplified, it can modulate with the most noticeable and problematic frequencies that the power supply will have noise at if it is not stout enough. A stout power supply is one where large capacitor values are employed and with sufficient nodes to further reduce ripple and draw on the main node. Bass amps need a LOT of filtering to be able to have ripple-free amplification and reproduce solid and firm low end. Not having the schematic in front of me I can't say what the Klipp's possible culprit is, but just throwing out possibilities.
@ShredBird
@ShredBird 3 жыл бұрын
@@markjames8664 Or if you really want to be noise free, go battery operated. Of course, noise is no simple matter for ham, as the grounding is also a major headache. I've recently been helping my brother in-law get setup with ham and have been teaching him these concepts.
@patrickmccutcheon8860
@patrickmccutcheon8860 3 жыл бұрын
Sabbath sound isn’t just Tony’s guitar, it’s Bill’s drum sound and definitely Geezer too.
@AimingWanderously
@AimingWanderously 3 жыл бұрын
That's like saying lasagna isn't just the noodles, it's all the ingredients. No kidding. This is meant to show the guitar tone.
@EvAn-tm3yb
@EvAn-tm3yb 3 жыл бұрын
Bill underrated drummer one of the best tones if all time
@nodaysback1
@nodaysback1 2 жыл бұрын
The sound of "Classic Sabbath" from the first 3 records was also the result of Roger Bain's production style, which was a minimalistic approach... capture whole the band on the same take and then only essential overdubs. From Vol. 4 to NSD, Tony began producing (for better or worse) and the records lost that classic Sabbath sound.
@aneasyonesoicanremember6933
@aneasyonesoicanremember6933 2 жыл бұрын
Well that didn't need to be said
@avid2112
@avid2112 2 жыл бұрын
Bill Ward is criminally underrated
@changodesurfer
@changodesurfer 3 жыл бұрын
Roses are red Violets are blue When I listen to Sabbath The neighbors do too!
@mgbmw7461
@mgbmw7461 3 жыл бұрын
My house also. Blowing the roof off.
@springfield03a36
@springfield03a36 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, HELL YEAH!!!
@imacmadman22
@imacmadman22 3 жыл бұрын
Or any other band worth turning up really loud, for that matter.
@eldesgraciado6690
@eldesgraciado6690 3 жыл бұрын
CRINGE!
@MisterMikeTexas
@MisterMikeTexas 3 жыл бұрын
My neighbors threw a brick through my window so they could hear it better! 😆😆😆
@AAB-nw2bj
@AAB-nw2bj 3 жыл бұрын
I think we need an episode of "what makes this song great" about Planet caravan
@Ori0987
@Ori0987 3 жыл бұрын
Oh goodness yes
@artturnerjr
@artturnerjr 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite Sabbath tune. 8)
@gjv2008
@gjv2008 3 жыл бұрын
How have I not heard this before? Have just discovered another classic! Thanks!
@The11eleven
@The11eleven 3 жыл бұрын
Hell Yeah!
@mrbaris0
@mrbaris0 3 жыл бұрын
There are so many sabbath songs to be on that series imo but they are one of these hard banners
@KeithMerrow
@KeithMerrow 3 жыл бұрын
SIIICK! This is my favorite video you've ever done!
@davesaenz3732
@davesaenz3732 3 жыл бұрын
Just awesome video.
@clysher
@clysher 3 жыл бұрын
I was like, I agree, oh, it's Keith. Makes sense.
@Duffley
@Duffley 3 жыл бұрын
Is nobody going to mention the squeaky floor board? No? Just me? As you were.
@TheGreatKrystoff
@TheGreatKrystoff 3 жыл бұрын
Thank god you said this I thought I was going insane.
@sniffrat3646
@sniffrat3646 3 жыл бұрын
me too
@Frank88Workz
@Frank88Workz 3 жыл бұрын
I was sure I wouldn't be alone :D
@RickBeato
@RickBeato 3 жыл бұрын
When we built my control room, I used 3/8" plywood under the hardwoods instead of 3/4" or 5/8" It wasn't noticeable years ago but I need to fix it now.
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was coming from inside my house, had to pause the video to make sure.
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