The Gilmour Effect - The “Shredders are Boring” Argument

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Rick Beato

Rick Beato

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@kjek1
@kjek1 3 жыл бұрын
Gilmour isn’t up there to cram as many techniques and notes into a song as he can. He simply makes his guitar sing, and he always does so in a tasteful manner that gives absolute maximum emotional feel to the song. He is a master.
@recuperacion420
@recuperacion420 2 жыл бұрын
Thats right
@Voorhies7147
@Voorhies7147 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed...
@torbjrnlund903
@torbjrnlund903 2 жыл бұрын
A master and a genius; the God of all the guitar Gods.
@JG-zt5vr
@JG-zt5vr Жыл бұрын
I'm sure Gilmour CAN shred with the best, but not so sure the shredders can play like him.
@HK-me6es
@HK-me6es Жыл бұрын
His post Roger material basically sounds like one continuous song, good if you're having trouble sleeping.
@fenatic7484
@fenatic7484 2 жыл бұрын
Gilmour plays like a poet writes. It is really loquacious in ability because it is from the soul as an inspiration that a poet is inspired to write about. He is also a very humble person.
@parallaxcontinuum7898
@parallaxcontinuum7898 2 жыл бұрын
You said a ton, in as few words as possible.
@TTRVision
@TTRVision Жыл бұрын
he is an absolute pure Artist some others .... are just sportsmans ....
@Geezer-yf8hv
@Geezer-yf8hv Жыл бұрын
He plays from his heart and soul! That is the secret!
@harveymcdaniel9272
@harveymcdaniel9272 Жыл бұрын
MPP P
@tiagobedun305
@tiagobedun305 Жыл бұрын
And a poet know exactly how word to use and when use. Like Gilmour with his notes.
@alexanderball6326
@alexanderball6326 3 жыл бұрын
I've always thought Gilmour can make you feel more with 3 notes than some shredders can with 300
@Advaitamanta
@Advaitamanta Жыл бұрын
the thing is shredding can never make you feel what rightly hit 2 notes can.
@bloomz1
@bloomz1 Жыл бұрын
Saw Journey a few years back, realized he plays more notes in a single song than David plays in a whole night - and says way way more. Not impressed that uses 30 notes to climb 12 frets
@alexanderball6326
@alexanderball6326 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGiantMidget yeah i have and no i didnt. Tbh dave mustaine was one of the guitar players i was thinking of 🤷‍♂️
@alexanderball6326
@alexanderball6326 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGiantMidget i didnt 🤷‍♂️
@FLASHAHOLIC_TV
@FLASHAHOLIC_TV 9 ай бұрын
Give Steve Hackett 1 sustained note, Give Gilmour 2 bent notes and give Buckethead 10,000 shredded notes.
@vincenzoaccount9268
@vincenzoaccount9268 2 жыл бұрын
David Gilmour comes from another planet.... is incomparable, for anyone. Genius, poet and master.
@augustfeola8347
@augustfeola8347 4 жыл бұрын
““Music is the space between the notes.” - Claude Debussy It’s where music breathes life into the soul.
@Deltasquad382943
@Deltasquad382943 4 жыл бұрын
He’s not gonna like Flight of the Bumblebee then. If you wanna be realistic, “music is whatever the fuck satisfies you”.
@MarkAhrens-HeritageFilms
@MarkAhrens-HeritageFilms 4 жыл бұрын
Debussy shreds!
@glenkepic3208
@glenkepic3208 4 жыл бұрын
@@robpoles2 Tumeninotes, Steve Morse,,,,or Amadeus ;)
@ljgarrison6910
@ljgarrison6910 4 жыл бұрын
So profound, fuck sake.
@Campbell1.
@Campbell1. 4 жыл бұрын
so what are the notes then, if they are not music!!!
@Gilbarwaters
@Gilbarwaters 4 жыл бұрын
What I love about Gilmour's style is that he doesn't overload every single song with overwhelming solos. His style is enjoyable, my ears love it, my body feels it and it's never too much. It's all well balanced. That's why I always go back for more. I was 10 when I first listened "Mother" and "C. Numb" and I felt like I had discovered the most amazing music and I understood the message. Being raised in an environment where most people listened to, cumbia, salsa, mariachi music. I felt I was a chosen one, that day when I found that aiwa walkman in 1985 with a 90 min. maxell cassette in it, with songs from The Wall and Wish you were here albums. For me it was like finding a portal to another dimension. Especially that guitar sound.
@giannapple
@giannapple 4 жыл бұрын
All Pink Floyd music is a portal to other dimensions. With no use of chemicals.
@theshyguy1580
@theshyguy1580 4 жыл бұрын
When I heard "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" for the first time, that guitar solo. It can almost bring you to tears, the way he plays it.
@duncan8238
@duncan8238 4 жыл бұрын
Yet this grifter uses Gilmour's name to promote a video that barely even mentions him.
@lucianoonaicul7057
@lucianoonaicul7057 4 жыл бұрын
sure, from the age of 10 until the age of 16, 18, 20ish.... if you grow out of the known style, you could be rewarded.
@duncan8238
@duncan8238 4 жыл бұрын
@@lucianoonaicul7057 Some styles are timeless brother.
@jtmichaelson
@jtmichaelson 4 жыл бұрын
I'd have to throw in Mark Knopfler as a virtuoso. He never plays anything twice the same, invents himself with every album release. Mike Oldfield is another, like Gilmour, has every note in every song that belongs there. Both Gilmour and Oldfield never wasted a note and both opened and filled spaces in their songs with precision and feeling.
@SimonJohnOwen
@SimonJohnOwen 4 жыл бұрын
Knopfler is an amazing player
@joacovignoli
@joacovignoli 4 жыл бұрын
Knopfler, creator of some of the most beautiful melodies in rock!
@ksoman953
@ksoman953 4 жыл бұрын
While I really like and respect Rick Beato, his ignoring Mark Knopfler's talent, loosely speaking, just confuses me. I feel, even in the few situations where he's included Mark's work in his lists, it appears like he has done it very begrudgingly. This live KZbin video has just left me confused. Either Rick is clearly doing what we all do to make sales numbers by playing up random sound bites or he's getting worn out by COVID lockdown.
@simongchadwick
@simongchadwick 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a rare mention of Mike Oldfield's genius.
@kevinharnan8378
@kevinharnan8378 4 жыл бұрын
Tom Bukovac?
@classicrockdefender
@classicrockdefender 3 жыл бұрын
I think it was B. B. King who once said: "It's not about the notes you play, it's all about the notes you don't play". I have kind of a split relationship to virtuosoes. It's OK if somebody can play technically perfect, but lots of those musicians forget the emotions, they forget, that music shall move people. Playing fast goes for posers. If you want to make music, emotion is everything. Gilmour is one of the best in creating solos, that move people. Just look at reaction-videos ("first time hearing...") to "Comfortably Numb", people are crying, when hearing those solos for the first time. That's, in my humble opinion, is what music is about. ;)
@biscobisco1882
@biscobisco1882 3 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of 'bluesy/feely' players who churn out the same old boring, redundant pentatonic/blues lines too. There are thousands of comments slagging off 'shredders' that neglect to mention this fact, as well as neglecting to mention the fact that there are a tonne of virtuosic players who also have tremendous phrasing, feel, creativity and compositional skill. The fact is that fast, 'notey' playing generates musical colours and emotions that slow, bendy playing simply cannot. Listen to someone like Stephen Taranto (or his band The Helix Nebula) - apex technical chops backed up by an amazing sense of energy, drive, frenzy, unpredictability - his music is an absolute cosmic thrill ride.
@stephengould4768
@stephengould4768 3 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head! Comfortably Numb is one of the greatest guitar solo(s) ever! I think Alex Lifeson is in the same league. Is he technical? No. Is he a shredder? No. But, like Gilmour, he knows what to play and when to play it! Emotion speaks volumes when it comes to music!
@lovescarguitar
@lovescarguitar 3 жыл бұрын
I guess Guthrie Govan, Paul Gilbert, Marco Sfogli, Kiko Loureiro, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Shawn Lane, And many others are all posers then.....
@roberteberhart1139
@roberteberhart1139 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but explain punk?
@fenatic7484
@fenatic7484 2 жыл бұрын
@@roberteberhart1139 How about country Punk like Dave Alvin!
@ianwynne764
@ianwynne764 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Rick: I'm 65 years old and I've been learning to play the piano for two and half years. I have no musical background. I'm too old to be a "shredder". However, it I learn to play good, simple, blues and jazz, I will be very, very happy. Keep up the wonderful work.
@ianwynne764
@ianwynne764 4 жыл бұрын
@@MyRackley Well done learning the sax. It's a hard instrument. What you are doing takes real skill. I'm impressed. Thank you for the good advice. Stay well and safe.
@ianwynne764
@ianwynne764 4 жыл бұрын
@nynetynyne Thank you. Stay well and safe.
@filipefrancoafonso
@filipefrancoafonso 4 жыл бұрын
Allan Holdsworth on guitar lesson: "You can't let your fingers dictate what you play. It's your brain that must command your fingers."
@rowbags3017
@rowbags3017 4 жыл бұрын
RIP Peter Green, whose death was announced today - the antithesis of shredding, and one of the most musical and soulful blues guitarists of them all. A master of his generation. Rick - you should definitely do a special on Peter some day.
@mikegranberryii
@mikegranberryii 4 жыл бұрын
Peter Green and Danny Kirwan are my fave. Best vibrato.
@joecalandrella3330
@joecalandrella3330 4 жыл бұрын
Boy, I hate to hear about Peter Green dying. His compositions and voice were equal to his magnificent guitar playing with Fleetwood Mac, which makes him-in my opinion-the best of all the British bluesmen, in whose numbers are Beck and Page and Clapton and Taylor and Mick Abraham’s and Mick Ralph’s and Danny Kirwan and, indeed, Dave Gilmore, among many others... His career as emotionally-stable musician was relatively brief-from his record with John Mayall in ‘65 until his last record with the Mac in ‘69, but his songs-Albatross, Man of the World, Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, Oh, Well, et al, are timeless, and evidence of his lyrical and songwriting brilliance as much as his wonderful voice, his guitar skills notwithstanding. He was broken by acid-useful drug, but not in excess- when he left Mac, and fifty years passed, as they are wont to do... He wasn’t a witty virtuoso like Jeff Beck, or a witty genius like Jimmy Page or Mick Abrahams. He was a songwriter and singer par excellence when he did that, and a master bluesman when he played Long Grey Mare and Lazy Poker Blues and Everyday I Have the Blues and How Blue Can You Get, to name a few tunes from my Men of the World album. By the way, listen to Mind of My Own, a Kirwen number that illustrates Peter Green’s expert instruction of Kirwen as well as both of their prowess as British bluesmen, which is a technical and tonal category in itself. Peter Green was a gem. After listening to a few early Mac tunes, I’m gonna play my Heritage Les Paul, as set up by the great Charlie Powers, with upside-down neck pickup.
@wheatonna
@wheatonna 4 жыл бұрын
How interesting that Rick is discussing this the day before Peter Green died. To me that's almost eerie. So sad.
@DMSProduktions
@DMSProduktions 4 жыл бұрын
@@joecalandrella3330 Hear hear!
@mikegranberryii
@mikegranberryii 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone hear Peter Green's first solo album, "The End of The Game"? It's so epic! Changed my life lol.
@kevingill648
@kevingill648 Жыл бұрын
David Gilmour is simply one of the greatest guitarists ever! shredders bore me to tears.
@bombercountyblues
@bombercountyblues 4 жыл бұрын
Am the only one getting the irony of rick asking why there's a slight echoe at the beginning of a video called "the Gilmour effect"?
@scottenriquez1930
@scottenriquez1930 4 жыл бұрын
😂
@JohnSmith-mx8wp
@JohnSmith-mx8wp 4 жыл бұрын
There's a scene in "Pink Floyd at Pompeii" where the engineer tells David, "It's a little 'feedbacky'". He responds, "Where would rock and roll be without feedback?" 😏
4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-mx8wp , excellent answer but no surprise coming from David Gilmour who simply put feeling into feedback in his classic patient manner.
@guilhermetonon7267
@guilhermetonon7267 4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-mx8wp noice
@cheneyrobert
@cheneyrobert 3 жыл бұрын
😜😂😂😂
@MotherboardStandoff
@MotherboardStandoff 4 жыл бұрын
Miles Davis once said:" it's not about the notes you play, but the notes you don't play". Another guitarist that is Gilmour-esque would be Steve Rothery of Marillion. The solos on Easter or Warm Wet Circles are just amazing in terms of flow and phrasing.
@vincentdenismusic
@vincentdenismusic 4 жыл бұрын
You... have some exquisite taste, my friend.
@mattwatsonthesecrethelicopters
@mattwatsonthesecrethelicopters 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Steve Rothery get a mention. So under rated.
@alessandroseravalle3807
@alessandroseravalle3807 4 жыл бұрын
Steve's incredible!!! Camel's Andy Latimer, one of his three main influences (the others are Gilmour and the mighty Steve Hackett) is great too...Stationary Traveller solo is so moving...
@leandrojardineiro2502
@leandrojardineiro2502 4 жыл бұрын
@@alessandroseravalle3807 Oh yeah. Stationary Traveller was the tune that I first heard from Camel. That solo at the end is amazing
@mightyV444
@mightyV444 4 жыл бұрын
@Jeroen Van Hoof - Interesting to observe Marillion being mentioned around YT quite a bit lately! :-)
@pjtheory
@pjtheory 3 жыл бұрын
What is sometimes forgotten when comparing the guitar legends is that Gilmour is not only a unique talent, he has consistently created great music for more than 50 years. He has also influenced and helped other artists to flourish on their own and/or share the stage with him. IMO, no other guitar legend can match Gilmour's overall resume.
@simbad909
@simbad909 3 жыл бұрын
Orb
@carolsnook4659
@carolsnook4659 3 жыл бұрын
Yes..without Gilmour we may never have had the delectable and brilliant Kate Bush ..
@americas1stfreedom338
@americas1stfreedom338 3 жыл бұрын
Well-put. 😎
@nekilikizhrvatske3336
@nekilikizhrvatske3336 3 жыл бұрын
There is no best guitar player, though there are best rock guitarists but gilmour isnt one of them.
@ralphiecifaretto8961
@ralphiecifaretto8961 2 жыл бұрын
He has? What great work has he done since The Wall?
@JohnMegaton2062
@JohnMegaton2062 Жыл бұрын
This is an example. The most amazing guitar playing I ever saw was at the Ryman a few years ago when Vai, Satriani, Wylde, Malmsteen, and Bettencourt played a show together. I was in awe. That said, by the time the last act got on stage I was EXHAUSTED. My brain was on the fritz from processing all the sounds for a couple hours. After that show I didn’t want to listen to any music for a day or two. They’re great but it’s hard to “soak in” shredders like that. It’s like loving a good hot dog but participating in a hot dog eating contest. Too much at once diminishes the enjoyment.
@pabli7o
@pabli7o 4 жыл бұрын
Dave Mustaine said: 'David Gilmour could do more with one note than today's shredders can do with a dozen'
@chinoisbase
@chinoisbase 4 жыл бұрын
David Gilmour can do more than Paul Gilbert?
@nimrodery
@nimrodery 4 жыл бұрын
@Hugh Jones I liked the hat. If it wasn't for the hat and the heroin, though, would we have even heard of him?
@DanielBatt
@DanielBatt 4 жыл бұрын
So could Neil Young. Not sure why he's missing from these videos.
@eduardoalcala7628
@eduardoalcala7628 4 жыл бұрын
@@DanielBatt One of the best guitar player ever
@EnzoFerenczyo
@EnzoFerenczyo 4 жыл бұрын
One note and good night. Camel, yes, Wishbone Ash. Eric could do it, of course
@voidburner8271
@voidburner8271 4 жыл бұрын
Robert Fripp is my favorite, period. No one comes close to his sound. A truely innovated guitarist. 1967-1974 is his golden period
@lessthanpinochet
@lessthanpinochet 4 жыл бұрын
He's a legit guitar visionary. Invented frippertronics, played slow burning solo's using the sustain of his les paul in the neck pick-up with fuzz and the tone slightly rolled off, if he didn't invented prog-rock he definitely popularized it with King Crimson, probably invented playing ambient soundscapes with the guitar, arguably invented math rock with Adrian Belew on the Discipline album, amazing acoustic player, used the whole tone scale in the mid seventies extensively... the list goes on and on. He's the ultimate creative genius no-one ever talks about.
@Cynthicyzer
@Cynthicyzer 4 жыл бұрын
Fripp is the one for me too. He pops up anywhere and everywhere. Seems like everyday I discover yet another one of his unique contributions. The latest is a great little solo I only recently found at 6:01 near the end of the fabulous Angel Gets Caught in the Beauty Trap on No-Man’s Flowermouth album released back in 1994. Stunning.
@d_page
@d_page 4 жыл бұрын
Dude fripp was out of everyones game from 1969 to the early 2000s. Construktion of the Light is a perfect exemple, as no song comes close to level of musical finess and perfection.
@gavinreid5387
@gavinreid5387 4 жыл бұрын
Great with Bowie ,and Sylvian.
@treffbennett6534
@treffbennett6534 4 жыл бұрын
love his work with Brian Eno-listening to Eno's Another Green World right now!
@MartinMillerGuitar
@MartinMillerGuitar 4 жыл бұрын
Some excellent points in this that really spoke to me (improvisation vs. composition, etc.). Thanks, Rick!
@george474747
@george474747 4 жыл бұрын
What I want to know is why all the greatest composers of classical music were also virtuosos. In the history of popular music, I see very little correlation between the greatest song/part writers and the most proficient instrumentalists.
@joejoejohnson8310
@joejoejohnson8310 4 жыл бұрын
@@george474747 it probably depends on what “counts” as being a virtuoso. Bruce Springsteen or Dave Mustaine are classic examples. Show one of their more intense solos to a normal person, even a normal instrumentalist, and they’re blown away. But guitarist virtuoso snobs will say “Bruce is just a songwriter guy trying to shred,” or “but Marty Friedman shreds slightly better because he’s the guitar specialist..” Or conversely, they’ll knock Hendrix’s phenomenal lyric writing as average because he’s not Bob Dylan. The problem is more that people only listen closely to music that they already have a certain opinion of first instead of just going straight to the music and forming their own opinion over time. This isn’t new either. JS Bach was known for just being the Jimi Hendrix of keyboard and organ until he started getting credit for his composition skills over 100 years after his death. Wagner and Schumann are a couple of composers I can think of off the top of my head that are not known to be performers
@rabranch32
@rabranch32 3 жыл бұрын
Rick, you are doing such important work on this channel. Not only are you a keeper of musical history, you are a bridge from the musical past into the musical future. Thank you for your inspiration.
@user-sr2nc9ge1d
@user-sr2nc9ge1d 2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly stated! I 100% agree
@jarradc3842
@jarradc3842 4 жыл бұрын
for me Gilmour speaks to my emotions in ways other people can't. It has less to do with technical skill and more to do with production and song writing. Pink Floyd is my favorite band because i found them in high school at the time my grandfather was dying and passed away. having lived in his home at the time, Pink Floyd's ability to perfectly capture the feeling of meloncolly spoke to me in a way that made me feel like the songs were written specifically for myself. David's style of guitar has greatly influenced how i write and play today, because he showed me that you didn't have to know every scale or play extremely fast to be a truly great player. I find his ability to match with Wright's keyboards without clashing to be incredible, and i think without all the members of that band, flaws and all, i might not have made it through those tough times.
@TallicaMan1986
@TallicaMan1986 4 жыл бұрын
@@elipacheco532 Gilmour is pretty dynamic. People always think of Darkside or The Wall and totally forget he lead Pink Floyd from the mid 80s throughout the 90s. So many good songs like One Slip.
@williamknell864
@williamknell864 4 жыл бұрын
There's doing "donuts," or "burnouts" in a parking lot, and there's going for a drive. Having a destination.
@melodicdreamer72
@melodicdreamer72 4 жыл бұрын
I like your analogy...Setting course for a destination and finding creative ways to get there is where it is at.
@johnhoerl7326
@johnhoerl7326 4 жыл бұрын
Nailed it. Shredding always seemed to me like self-indulgent showing off. It’s fun for a little while, but eventually you want to go somewhere
@johnhoerl7326
@johnhoerl7326 4 жыл бұрын
iamthedarkavenger That’s really well-said. I can definitely appreciate such “outbursts” when they’re in the context of a larger musical and emotional palette. It’s when outbursts become the only emotional and musical tone that I lose interest, like having someone constantly yelling at you. That’s what a lot of shredding sounds like to me. Then again, I’m an old fart ;)
@sophiemilton5939
@sophiemilton5939 4 жыл бұрын
That's the thing. Those guitarists make me go Wow.....unbelievable for about 30 seconds, then it just becomes boring to me. It's an incredible physical feat but once I've seen it I've seen it and within a very short time it has just become more-of-the-same. When Rick made a passing criticism of Nickleback he said that Chad Kroeger starts on 10 then has nowhere to go and that applies very much to guitar. A guy makes a comment on here somewhere about his fast playing being emotional because it expresses a burst of frustration or anger. Hmmm. OK then .......but IMO that's pretty much all that you CAN express at ultra high speed. You can do excitement, anger and emotions closely related to that, but that's only a small part of the human experience. How do you express, peace, contentment, love, regret, sadness etc etc at a zillion notes a minute? Travelling at that speed means that you are unable to make use of the larger part of the palette. I am a pensioner and have been playing guitar - quite slowly - since I was 13. Still am. So I am just another an old fart - but the thing is, I have the same opinion today as I did when I switched to electric at 17, for the reasons above. :-)
@trentnunyabiz6204
@trentnunyabiz6204 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnhoerl7326 I find John McLaughlin or Robert fripp to be good examples of "Expressive shredding with meaning" (Fripp's guitar styling may not be for everyone but so would be clapton's)
@daniel_naaden
@daniel_naaden 4 жыл бұрын
Marooned is the most passionate song i've ever heard and i'll take it over pretty much anything
@erikbarrett85
@erikbarrett85 4 жыл бұрын
Castellorizon and the solos in On An Island as Blue (I think it's called Blue) are my favorite of all time. Gilmour or anyone
@blakegilliam8223
@blakegilliam8223 4 жыл бұрын
Rick this type of show is the reason I keep coming back. It's the intelligent monologue that explains concepts hard to put into words.
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder 4 жыл бұрын
I guess after Roger left I just didn’t pay enough attention to Floyd!! I couldn’t even hum these tunes😳
@Sciffyan
@Sciffyan 4 жыл бұрын
@@BeesWaxMinder what do you mean?
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder 4 жыл бұрын
Ian Dmitriyevitch Well I was a HUGE fan but after getting bored of all the legal stories of multimillionaires spending more than I could earn fighting over the sex of an inflatable pig, not to mention the gaps between the 3(?) albums I just felt these songs would be something I’d ‘get round to’ eventually but, it seems, I’ve yet to... 🤔
@Nostromo1966
@Nostromo1966 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding David, what to say... he is unique and unrepeatable, his bending technique, his tremolo, his vibrato, his few effects, his way of playing the pentatonic in an unusual way, his phrasing that flows with love and sweetness, his outstanding voice, his art of composing, his skill in various instruments such as steel guitar, bass, drums, saxophone etc etc and his immense charisma as a person, a great person that I have the privilege of having as a friend along with his wife Polly. Humble and generous man, with huge donations and a life free of luxuries. David is simply David, his guitar speaks directly from his heart and that is why he is capable of making me tear up, as a professional composer this says a lot about him.
@jmc250373
@jmc250373 4 жыл бұрын
It’s not virtuosity vs mistakes, nor planning vs improvisation... it’s all about emotion: feeling and transmitting it. There’s no single correct way to do that, because emotion can’t be a recipe.
@arthurscience
@arthurscience 3 жыл бұрын
That's not virtuosity though, however important. Virtuosity is a high level of pure technical ability and says nothing about the quality of what is produced with it. In terms of communication of language, factors of virtuosity would be speaking ability in a language, things like vocabulary or pronunciation, but it would NOT be the content of what is said or how meaningful that content is.
@ManCrew
@ManCrew 3 жыл бұрын
Some people can sing and communicate emotions and feelings. Gilmour has a way of expressing himself through the guitar the same way. Its the difference between a good technical guitarist and the great ones. You don't always have to be the fastest to be amazing. There are some really beautiful melodic licks in his playing and honestly no one else plays quite like he does. Even when I am learning a Pink Floyd song and I am finding the notes he uses it can sound amazing but there are so many things he does that just cant be duplicated as a whole. You can hear Gilmour playing and recognize him almost instantly, like Clapton Hendrix, Van Halen. Gilmour is a one of a kind player.
@bakedbeast689
@bakedbeast689 3 жыл бұрын
@@ManCrew well said, i love Gilmour’s playing. in fact he’s my favorite guitarist of all time... you can FEEEEL every bend or note.. he plays with soo much raw emotion. It honestly made me learn how to play
@jimhunter6795
@jimhunter6795 3 жыл бұрын
Randy Rhoads was great at shredding and still being melodic with his solos. Too bad he died so young
@marcgallegos2239
@marcgallegos2239 3 жыл бұрын
Randy's idol, Mick Ronson, definitely fit that bill too. live, his heavy stuff was up there with sabbath and zeppelin, but he could write beautiful, simple melodies for Bowie's ballads
@robertmackenzie2808
@robertmackenzie2808 3 жыл бұрын
@@marcgallegos2239 Yeah, a few other guys Rick doesn't seem to mention, just like Rory Gallagher.
@themultimagic1347
@themultimagic1347 9 ай бұрын
I think the late, great Gary Moore fits this description as well. He can play incredibly fast, and when the song calls for it he does. But for the most part he plays in a more emotional, economical style. I wouldn't call it laid back; his sensibilities lean more toward hard rock. But I'd take him over Yngwie any day.
@Super-Fly-Fish-Guy70
@Super-Fly-Fish-Guy70 3 ай бұрын
amen to that brother 👌
@RomuloViana
@RomuloViana 3 жыл бұрын
This whole discussion reminds me of a joke made by the great Antonio Carlos Jobim in one of his interviews: when asked why his piano solos didn't have that many notes, he answered "that's because I only get to play the right ones".
@typ044
@typ044 3 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Jobim all day!
@KrimsonRed1
@KrimsonRed1 Жыл бұрын
I always thought Alex Lifeson transitioned from an emphasis on "technique" to more of an emphasis on melody. Alex went to painting soundscapes and taking up more room sonically versus self-indulgent displays of technical skill.
@basildog007
@basildog007 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed on Metheny. He really is a virtuoso improviser. He can work out any idea, twist it around, build tension, shape it back, and come up with an amazing resolution... He really is the master of tension/resolution on both melodic, harmonic and rythmic grounds. He's a goddamn genius that's what he is...
@jtelevenoyd1571
@jtelevenoyd1571 3 жыл бұрын
Just listening to Pat Metheny did more for my guitar playing than any other single thing. I'll never match the man, and I don't even have the nerve to cite him as an "influence," but he's an unrivaled inspiration. I'll always think of him first when the topic of virtuosity comes up.
@newagain9964
@newagain9964 3 жыл бұрын
@@jtelevenoyd1571 I understand why u mean. He has inspired me to play more. And given me confidence to get out of my safe space. He shows what’s possible technically and melodically.
@leonardosotero5820
@leonardosotero5820 4 жыл бұрын
"And now that you don't have to be perfect, you can be good." - John Steinbeck
@JohnLnyc
@JohnLnyc 4 жыл бұрын
Love the inadvertent “Echoes” issues Rick was experiencing on a video discussion of the “ Gilmour effect”
@HigherPlanes
@HigherPlanes 4 жыл бұрын
Turn off reverb.
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 4 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there :-)
@michaelbeasley5783
@michaelbeasley5783 Жыл бұрын
"Shredders are boring." Lol. I'm already there. Rock lead guitar virtuosity exhibited by lenghty blindingly fast fret finger-dancing is objectively impressive and has it's place I suppose. But I often find myself, well, bored because I'm not emotionally moved at a certain point. Whereas the brooding, soaring lead solo in the song "Time" is masterful and moving, in my view.
@papalaz4444244
@papalaz4444244 4 жыл бұрын
So true. I'm drawn to any guitarist who plays the guitar melodically, like a vocalist. Gilmour. Mike Oldfield and others. Every note has inflection, character and feel.
@dogdriver70
@dogdriver70 4 жыл бұрын
George Harrison's playing has that effect on me as well
@Sadowsky46
@Sadowsky46 4 жыл бұрын
papalaz4444244 Marco Sfogli can do both: a melodic shredder 😉
@wiseguy9202
@wiseguy9202 4 жыл бұрын
Steve Vai has said many times that he attempts to play like a vocalist would sing. For single note inflection, I'd put Gilmour and Gary Moore being in my top 3.
@themojoman
@themojoman 4 жыл бұрын
Pavel Sadowsky Marco has such a great feeling for melody and he is a monster shredder. One of my favorite guitarist! Roy Ziv is great as well! 🎸
@papalaz4444244
@papalaz4444244 4 жыл бұрын
Invoking certain emotions, might be another metric. I do equate a lot of this with singing. Super fast playing of arpeggios is all technique. It's an amazing skill and has it's moments when placed well. It can just be robotic and repetitive, though. A display of skill rather than music. Narcissism at worst. Obviously it's all subjective.
@jsf4star891
@jsf4star891 4 жыл бұрын
I think it was fitting that this stream called "The Gilmour Effect" started out with echos....one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs. RIP Rick Wright
@deandewitt5403
@deandewitt5403 4 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing.
@gregorymccasland2874
@gregorymccasland2874 4 жыл бұрын
Pink Floyd...delay you need to pack a lunch for.
@phillipgoins1509
@phillipgoins1509 4 жыл бұрын
Yet, David was never mentioned. Hmm.
@dougrobinson8602
@dougrobinson8602 4 жыл бұрын
Gilmour gets more emotion out of every note than anyone I've heard. Listen to the solos on 'Mother'. Genius.
@ljgarrison6910
@ljgarrison6910 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree.
@MrWilander88
@MrWilander88 4 жыл бұрын
High hopes can literally make you cry
@amberturd6558
@amberturd6558 2 жыл бұрын
Emotional phrases connect to the human soul much deeper than fast scale runs. It's the way we communicate. For example Gilmore says "I love you" while someone like Yngwie M. says: "your physical and emotional aesthetic has been processed by my subconscious, concluding that you are the individual whom arouses the most positive chemical responses within my cerebellum" One is entertaining and has more words but the first one means so much more. I think it's the space simplicity leaves in our own minds that helps make it great, and not just force fed a million scales
@sixtyninetele
@sixtyninetele 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve said this for years: David Gilmour never played a note that didn’t belong where he played it. 🎸 That is all🤙🏽
@raydandy4899
@raydandy4899 4 жыл бұрын
100%
@EvilSean62
@EvilSean62 4 жыл бұрын
@ i was about to launch into a big reply ... then I did what I do these days ... read before posting ( excellent for mental health)... so I read your piece again space... I play bass ...space is where I live in the realm of trills I started with geddy lee and my old rick ... sad story...moving on ....I got to here then I realised ...this IS a long reply so to narrow it down ... speed ?...nope I need effect edit ... can't spell
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 4 жыл бұрын
That's what Robert Keeley said to me. Not just Gilmour - the band. Musical architecture.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 4 жыл бұрын
@ Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth once confronted Flea at a party and whispered in his ear: "White boys shouldn't play Black boys' bass guitar". Apparently he toned down the slappin' & poppin' after that.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 4 жыл бұрын
Ummagumma has some ok stuff in the live section of the album. But yes, you're right. He changed his gear a fair bit during that period. The right gear can inspire.
@everydaybrian
@everydaybrian 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Lifeson: shredder (solo: Freewill), composer (solo: Ghost of a Chance), improvisor (Tom Sawyer solo - what is that?!).
@i_kill_for_zardoz
@i_kill_for_zardoz 4 жыл бұрын
Rush was fantastic - all 3 guys were incredible at playing their instruments individually, and when they came together the resulting blend was spectacular.
@vdub1959
@vdub1959 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Blah blah blah blah! Blah blah? Blah...
@puedaser1
@puedaser1 4 жыл бұрын
@@j_freed Trevor Rabin.
@mvunit3
@mvunit3 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning "Ghost of a Chance", that solo is so sensual and all feeling, he does the same for the "pain" and longing in "Open Secrets". Alex does it all, from subtle to in your face, and uniquely.
@mvunit3
@mvunit3 4 жыл бұрын
@@puedaser1 - Trevor's playing on his solo album "Can't Look Away", and his work with YES, but the "Talk" album; especially "I am Waiting" and one of my fave EPICS, "Endless Dream" :).
@kilroy2517
@kilroy2517 4 жыл бұрын
“Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art.” So we have guitarists who focus on mastering the guitar, and every ounce of energy is put into being technically excellent, and when they play they want to show us what they've accomplished, and we guitarists are mesmerized for a short while, but eventually it gets boring because while they are incredibly skilled, they are not saying anything. These are the craftsmen of guitar. I'm not naming names because who is a craftsman and who is an artist is highly subjective. I hang out with a lot of very good guitarists, and it seems to me that some of them are spending too much time and energy on craft and not enough on art.
@shoogerkane
@shoogerkane 4 жыл бұрын
very rarely do i listen to music with the sole intention of paying attention to any of the particular instruments, and how well or not they're played. just the final product - the art, the song. often instruments jump out and catch my attention, sometimes not, but when that doesn't happen, it is not a big deal to me.
@iksnivils
@iksnivils 4 жыл бұрын
Who is that quote from?
@kilroy2517
@kilroy2517 4 жыл бұрын
@@iksnivils Tom Stoppard, I think
@Thedustymichaels
@Thedustymichaels Жыл бұрын
This is my favorite video. It always amuse me to read the comments, especially those who reveals how little they actually listen to what Beato says. The topic revolves around the technical skills of a guitarist, and how some of them holds a different standard that can indeed be characterised as groundbreaking. Nobody’s trying to say that David Gilmour is an amateur, because he is the greateat guitarplayer in the history of mankind, as he created more iconic riffs and solos than anyone else. But, he’s not a virtuoso. However, he probably influenced more virtuoso’s than anyone else. It doesn’t matter who’s got the biggest fanclub, because that’s just a question of personal taste, and that’s a topic with absolutely no educational value at all.
@edwardrobertson2958
@edwardrobertson2958 4 жыл бұрын
One of the wisest things ever put to me as I started being a "real musician"was, the spaces between the notes are every bit as important to the notes themselves. Not exactly as I've heard you say it, but it is a way to let the song "breathe."
@willrichardson519
@willrichardson519 4 жыл бұрын
Musical punctuation
@johnnynails166
@johnnynails166 4 жыл бұрын
No one ever mentions the fantastically talented Steve Howe of Yes.
@JCPhotoFrance
@JCPhotoFrance 4 жыл бұрын
True!
@msaintpc
@msaintpc 4 жыл бұрын
Johnny Nails, if you go to a Yes video you'll probably see many comments and videos about Steve Howe.
@johnnynails166
@johnnynails166 4 жыл бұрын
@@msaintpc but that's my point. I'm not at a Yes video assclown. I'm at a video that's discussing virtuosity.
@jimgodofbiscuits
@jimgodofbiscuits 4 жыл бұрын
One night while messing around with an acoustic guitar I started a Yes playlist on youtube and was up till 4:00 a.m. totally wrapped up in the music, continuing to strum a bit... the playlist included extraordinary footage of a live show that I since then cannot find, I believe it was taken down but amazing. Steve Howe is as good as most anyone live or otherwise. I saw Yes in '80, always a masterclass in music beyond being very entertaining. I missed Wakeman and Anderson but Trevor Horn was good and Howe amazing as ever and another forgotten great on bass...Chris Squire who I feel doesn't get his due is amazing. . .
@briano.5746
@briano.5746 4 жыл бұрын
I've always called Steve Howe "The Professor"! And Chris Squire is probably my all time favorite bass wizard.
@timbeaton5045
@timbeaton5045 4 жыл бұрын
Personally i blame Paganini for starting this whole debate in the first place! And really, we should be over this "X guitarist is the best"..."Y is BETTER than Z" This just too quickly descends into Fanboyism. If you like someone's playing, that's fine. I may not, someone else might be merely indifferent. This is all OK. Trying to compare, say, Gilmour, to Steve Vai, to Guthrie Govan, to Alan Holdsworth, to Prince, to Steve Morse, to Eric Clapton, to Tom Quayle....etc. (That list is a small subset of guitarists that i love listening to). And I can tell them apart pretty much instantly because they all inhabit their own area of music styles and abilities. To paraphrase the crowd outside Brian's window..."They are all individuals!" We should just rejoice in the amazing breadth of musical talent, that we have at our listening pleasure.
@stulora3172
@stulora3172 4 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for Rick to mention Paganini. And with him it is very obvious that shredding is a circus trick. I don't mean this in a deprecative way. But it is. Smoke, fire, drums, more smoke, the soloist disguised as the devil or whatever. That's how Paganini performed and that's a big part of today's shredding. Again, I am *not* saying it is not an art form, it is not impressive, it is not admirable or enjoyable.
@halfcalkt8367
@halfcalkt8367 4 жыл бұрын
I mostly agree with your sentiments. I really enjoy George Harrison, Noel Gallagher, Jerry Reed, and Jim Croce. These men are not technical gods, but they speak to me in a way that few can. I can’t tell you what makes them special. When you hear them, you either get it or you don’t. That is one thing that makes music one of man’s greatest creations. I wouldn’t even try to improve upon it because I fear Noel Gallagher’s line “true perfection has to be imperfect” holds a lot of truth in terms of music especially!
@wds525
@wds525 Жыл бұрын
Such a great and so intelligent analysis! Watching "The Great Gig in the Sky" and every other song in Lisbon back in 1994 was a highlight in my life. What I felt is indescribable.
@dbvetter7485
@dbvetter7485 4 жыл бұрын
What ever happened to Al DeMeola? I never hear anyone talk about him. Elegant Gypsy was the best 70’s jazz Fusion album IMO.
@mightyV444
@mightyV444 4 жыл бұрын
* Al DiMeola ;-)
@innocentoctave
@innocentoctave 4 жыл бұрын
Al Di Meola was a technically astonishing player who advanced the craft of electric guitar playing in the mid-70s. Nothing he's done since suggests any real advance: arguably the original shredder, with all the pluses and minuses. Pat Metheny, Allan Holdsworth and John McLaughlin were more interesting musicians who continued to develop.
@johnfrenette
@johnfrenette 4 жыл бұрын
Paul B I’m with you, although I think you’ll get a counter-argument that his trio stuff with McLaughlin and de Lucia were pretty spankin’
@soulfuzz368
@soulfuzz368 4 жыл бұрын
Paul B did McLaughlin really develop though? His tone changed but he played those same damn runs for decades.
@innocentoctave
@innocentoctave 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnfrenette That's the other recording that people cite as important. When I heard it for the first time all I could hear was how mechanically 'accurate' Di Meola sounded by comparison with the other guys. De Lucia in particular is a class above.
@samuellalruatdika4387
@samuellalruatdika4387 4 жыл бұрын
Who is better than who? Why is this even important...me..I don't care if they play 1million notes or just 2 notes...all I care is if their music speak to me and inspire me. We all have different taste and it's one of the biggest driving force in music. It's never going to be tha same. So stick to what you like and don't try to belittle what you don't like.
@acarouselofantics
@acarouselofantics 4 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@gizzy2403
@gizzy2403 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly!4 example, remove Keith Richard's from th Rolling Stones & insert any " virtuoso " u want, & do u really they'd b anything close 2 th legends they r now?? I sincerely doubt it....
@samuellalruatdika4387
@samuellalruatdika4387 4 жыл бұрын
@@gizzy2403 well said
@kevinski1966
@kevinski1966 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. You can play to communicate and exchange or you can play to show off. I know who I would want to listen to.
@Hartlor_Tayley
@Hartlor_Tayley 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. When playing music, have something to say and say it well, that’s what most people consider to be good.
@donvineyard8654
@donvineyard8654 4 жыл бұрын
David Gilmore is the Only guitarist that has made me cry simply from their playing. Absolutely stunning. The emotions he unleashes is profound; Comfortably Numb. I take that over fast every day.
@dixienormous2440
@dixienormous2440 4 жыл бұрын
GILMOUR.
@sonicfrogdotnet
@sonicfrogdotnet 4 жыл бұрын
I put Mark Knopfler in the same category. Some of his solos are as breathtaking as anything
@66biker95
@66biker95 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, clearly Don Wineyard is a big Gilmour fan.
@EOHRyan
@EOHRyan 4 жыл бұрын
Guthrie Govan makes me cry, when I realise I'll never be that good.
@stoneymcrock7649
@stoneymcrock7649 4 жыл бұрын
I hear you man, find me a more powerful, emotional, killer solo than the second solo in Comfortably Numb...
@BrunoandAnthony
@BrunoandAnthony Жыл бұрын
For me it was the magical merging of the back up instrumentation with Gilmour's melodic phrasing that made PF's sound other worldly.
@arttuuusisalo8709
@arttuuusisalo8709 4 жыл бұрын
Buckethead was lightning fast but still had way more songs with beautiful melodies and calm themes. Improvised them live too!
@Sasquatch10
@Sasquatch10 3 жыл бұрын
So true! The electric tears & electric sea are absolutely gorgeous! He's the most underappreciated guitarist and it's not even close.
@darthvader1515
@darthvader1515 3 жыл бұрын
If you want a perfect example of beautiful shredding by Mr.B ,y'all should check out The Unknown Song by him. Truly a hidden gem of his
@porseria
@porseria 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes slow is good, sometimes fast is good, depending on the situation. Why does it have to be an either or thing? Appreciate both!
@johnp.smithasimpleman7281
@johnp.smithasimpleman7281 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@kospandx
@kospandx 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I don't get why this is such a difficult concept for people to grasp.
@RickDelmonico
@RickDelmonico 4 жыл бұрын
“Blues is easy to play but hard to feel” (Jimi Hendrix)
@MisterNiles
@MisterNiles 4 жыл бұрын
Why does this rquote emind me of a Beefheart lyric? It's true btw. Jimi was right. Blues or deep feel in general is something some people seem to be born with. And some people can never get it. I wonder if it's in the way people pay attention. Which parts of the structure of sound draw the attention of the player. It's weird. When I was growing up, in my hometown, I was a heralded as the best blues player around (in 9th grade, so no big deal) but I didn't listen to the blues and I even kind of despised it. I was just a natural. Then when I started listening to Frissell, Metheney, Holdsworth, Fripp and others with distinctive styles, I started picking up their style, tone, feel and phrasing without thinking about it. I think it's like a version of Tourettes. Or maybe autism spectrum related. I'm now in my 50s and I'm finally finding my own voice, after struggling to un-sound like other players. I even went as far as rubber banding my index and middle, ring and pinky together for practice. Unlearning is more difficult than learning for some people.
@hedekbass
@hedekbass 4 жыл бұрын
This. It's not about hard his music is to play, it's how hard it was to come up with it. Any kid can play Jimi tunes decently well within a year of learning guitar. But never in a million years would we have come up with the sounds and compositions that he did. How he blended technological innovation of his time (Leslie, wah, fuzz, feedback), traditional blues licks and propelled them into a new era. What he discovered and invented, we sort of take for granted and build on it, but he literally made us leap decades. Just take Purple Haze, no one was playing like this in 1967. And if it weren't for Jimi, probably no one would have made music like this another 20 years or so.
@peterdaze1
@peterdaze1 4 жыл бұрын
Blues is easy if the player sucks .. gotta make those 5 notes shine .. that aint easy .. is just easy to suck at it..
@balijukka9963
@balijukka9963 4 жыл бұрын
That's why Peter Green stopped playing blues. "I don't want to go back there, it hurts too much."
@gregcable3250
@gregcable3250 9 ай бұрын
Bingo. Shredders--me, me, me. Non-shredders--the song, the song, the song.
@georgemariano2926
@georgemariano2926 2 жыл бұрын
David Gilmore played what the song needed, his haunting rythems and leads fit the mood of what the band was trying to convey. Big fan of Pink Floyd, both musically, lyrically and the message of their songs.
@Rasperdan
@Rasperdan 3 жыл бұрын
Shredders are look at me and Gilmore is listen to this.
@amd1273
@amd1273 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@jackiwannapaint
@jackiwannapaint 3 жыл бұрын
this says it all
@ronr6951
@ronr6951 3 жыл бұрын
100%
@RohannvanRensburg
@RohannvanRensburg 3 жыл бұрын
Absolute nonsense.
@mchristr
@mchristr 4 жыл бұрын
"Comfortably Numb". It drills down to my soul, even after hearing it hundreds of times.
@kaindog100
@kaindog100 4 жыл бұрын
Live at Pompeii is my favourite version.
@docamosroxie8686
@docamosroxie8686 4 жыл бұрын
@@kaindog100 Yes....I thought before seeing his 2016 Pompeii......after playing that solo live for 40 years....how can he change it much without changing original flavor??.......but damned if he didn't pull it off....true master!
@Isaiah_McIntosh
@Isaiah_McIntosh 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly dont get the appeal of that song. It's always been extremely boring to me no matter how many times I try to listen to it. For a while it put me off trying floyd since I assumed all the music would be like comfortably numb until I just decided to go back to a bunch of old prog albums and listened to dark side of the moon which was amazing.
@docamosroxie8686
@docamosroxie8686 4 жыл бұрын
@@Isaiah_McIntosh I too find the verses boring these days....its more about Gilmour guitar phrasing for us wanna be players.
@Isaiah_McIntosh
@Isaiah_McIntosh 4 жыл бұрын
@@docamosroxie8686 The solo. It's just uninspiring to me. I get more inspired to play guitar listening to pianists or saxophonists than I do when I listen to that solo. There just isn't anything that really pulls me. I thought I was maybe being too virtuoso obsessed so I tried it out for my mother and it was more or less the same reaction. Clearly a very well considered and composed song and solo but nothing to give me goosebumps.
@etoirelav
@etoirelav 4 жыл бұрын
I love Gilmour because every single note has a purpose, a weaved ebb and flow, accents, there is ZERO showy play for its own sake.
@johncrafton8319
@johncrafton8319 4 жыл бұрын
Gilmour's guitar parts fit the music perfectly. No better guitar could've been made for those songs. That said, he's not a "virtuoso". An amazing, influential guitarist? Yes. A technical marvel capable of playing anything? No. And that's not a bad thing. As long as his music engages you as a listener, nothing else matters.
@michaelheller8841
@michaelheller8841 4 жыл бұрын
Gilmore is one of the most underrated Rock guitarists out there. His solos are with feeling and control. Tasty I say. His solos also go with the music played and great song writing. You can hum his music. You can't really hum these sweep picking shredders. Its cool to look at but ends up being Gymnastics and scales from technique. Good for practice, then you get bored. Its not music really. There is a reason why they were rock gods. They expressed a story, through music. You can sit, relax with a pair of headphones and feel good.
@TenorCantusFirmus
@TenorCantusFirmus 4 жыл бұрын
Guitarists like Gilmour and Mark Knopfler show to be "virtuosi" also in the fact they can thoroughly and deeply think about the structural, compositive aspect of Music; technical provess is only used as a tool, when music strictly requires it. On the opposite side, some "shredders" not only seem poor in musicality, but also not always technically up-to-task, and that speed and excessive distorsion is sometimes used like the vibrato in singing, or the pedal on piano: to cover technical drawbacks in other areas. A true virtuoso doesn't need to constantly show he can play fast.
@krollpeter
@krollpeter 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelheller8841 Mr. Gilmour would never ever claim being a virtuoso. He is well aware of his limitations.
@prinzepeach2751
@prinzepeach2751 4 жыл бұрын
Call me however tu préfères, Amigo. Lol yeah, how is gilmour underrated?
@crannbeathadh
@crannbeathadh 2 ай бұрын
Who came back to watch this after the Gilmour interview?
@davidhubbell1622
@davidhubbell1622 4 жыл бұрын
gilmour would sing all of his solos through a tape recorder then figure it out on guitar. it's why those solos are iconic and so musical. it doesn't matter if you shred or you spent all your time work on your vibrato, what matters is was it mindless or was there a lot of thought put into it? jimmy page certainly put a lot of thought into his solos as well. you can here the thoughtfulness into the parts and that's all that matters. shredders are dope too if it's thoughtful. randy rhoads composed every solo on that first ozzy record note for note. that's why they rule.
@zeppelinmexicano
@zeppelinmexicano 4 жыл бұрын
Page's solos all told stories, but how about Since I've Been Loving You? Damn. If you can get that shred plus all that vibrato down right, that's saying something. But Jimmy also didn't mind riding the edge where he could make mistakes. It takes a certain personality to do that. I think most of us are trained to not make mistakes as our first perogative, and that may be a mistake in itself.
@stuartanthony6409
@stuartanthony6409 4 жыл бұрын
I think you'll find that he improvised almost everything. Clapton used the tape recorder though.
@fredlougee2807
@fredlougee2807 4 жыл бұрын
@@zeppelinmexicano Page owned being sloppy and not the most technically proficient guitarist out there. There were things he was about and things he wasn't. I remember reading an article where Nuno was asked what the first thing that ran through his mind when he learned Extreme was going to be touring with Coverdale/Page and he said that he wanted to ask Jimmy why he had to go and write every single rock lick and not leave any for anybody else.
@MerkinMuffly
@MerkinMuffly 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with shredding as long as it's within the context of the song, and it sounds good. (See When Push Comes to Shove)
@lukebuchwald9252
@lukebuchwald9252 3 жыл бұрын
The solo from VH's "Push Comes to Shove" is under-rated as fuck
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 3 жыл бұрын
As I always tell people someone playing 20 notes/sec doesn't give me goosebumps and send me to heaven.
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 3 жыл бұрын
@@Haroun-El-Poussah I mean one musician playing 20 notes/sec.
@chrislgarner4927
@chrislgarner4927 3 жыл бұрын
I hear what you're saying. Certainly it depends on the melody. I think of Jimmy Page hammering away at the live version of "Dazed and Confused." His fret work is insane. Yet he can back that up with a "Since I've Been Loving You" or an "In My Time of Dying."
@tysonhatch
@tysonhatch 2 жыл бұрын
@@Haroun-El-Poussah: Shawn Lane is Criminally under rated. I would put him in the number one spot still. Not counting guys like Tim Henson and Ichika Nito who play a totally different style and finally invented something new, so not so comparable. But as far as the rest of them go, if I had to put a #1 electric guitar player of all time it would be Shawn. It was his whole life. He was a virtuoso too.
@FKA_Skull
@FKA_Skull 4 жыл бұрын
Shredding just doesn’t elicit any emotional response from me, that’s why I don’t care about it. It’s cool, it’s technical, but it doesn’t make me feel anything.
@Geotubest
@Geotubest 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed.. I can only take about 20 seconds of it and then want to totally close it down.
@stephenfeister1176
@stephenfeister1176 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree. It really depends on the person tho. Neither side is right or wrong
@elonmush4793
@elonmush4793 4 жыл бұрын
I love when shredders try to impress me and all I can do is to yawn in their face.
@aztro187
@aztro187 4 жыл бұрын
Listen to some of dimebags solos... Fcking awesome
@sdubon7800
@sdubon7800 4 жыл бұрын
FKA Skull Even Buckethead gets bored shredding,-he does it masterfully-and switches gears so you can hear his soul come through the notes.
@peteo3436
@peteo3436 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the talent of David Gilmore and Brian May. Both are great guitarists but they way they put a solo together that supports the song rather than distracts from it is what makes them special.
@dorianedwards8522
@dorianedwards8522 3 жыл бұрын
Dave Gilmour will get every single emotion out of the guitar. That's his gift. He understands which emotions can be triggered by which type of sound. He just has it. Like Jimi Hendrix had it. Like Jimmy Page had it. They just got it.
@PrimalBlue-l6o
@PrimalBlue-l6o 2 жыл бұрын
Dont forget Carlos Santana
@surethebest
@surethebest 2 жыл бұрын
Love his sound but missing many emotions like overwhelming energy; aggression; roughness- as life has every single day; craziness and over boarding joy, that just doesn’t wanna stop and turns into unstoppable excitement. Where are those emotions? There’s nothing in his playing and their music what satisfies these needs and feelings.
@amogsnair10
@amogsnair10 2 жыл бұрын
@@surethebest there’s little in Jimi Hendrix that evokes the sadder feelings as well. Don’t get me wrong. He’s a legend. But he’ll never be able to philosophise on the guitar like Gilmore
@luisalextorres
@luisalextorres 4 жыл бұрын
i like eric johnson because his playing ranges from more than one style and each style he makes his own. he can play jazz, country style, blues, fusion, pop even. maybe not as popular as EVH who pushed guitar to that capacity ( after hendrix, clapton, and beck of course) but still managed to successfully to fuse those styles with the frame of a classical composer and the capacity of improvisation allan holsworth.
@sschmidtevalue
@sschmidtevalue 4 жыл бұрын
I like Eric Johnson because he can shred the hell out of his guitar but most of the time he chooses not to. Then when he does, it has its moment and it stands out more.
@sdubon7800
@sdubon7800 4 жыл бұрын
Luis Torres Thanks for reminding us. I tend to keep my Ah Via Musicom CD in my car. Great traveling music. He’s wonderful in concert, and entirely underrated.
@ERNesbitt
@ERNesbitt 4 жыл бұрын
I remember reading the best description. It was something along the lines of: "You could hand him an out of tune ukulele and it would still sound like Eric Johnson."
@thejoker-go3fh
@thejoker-go3fh 3 жыл бұрын
Can u suggest some tunes from eric johnson
@luisalextorres
@luisalextorres 3 жыл бұрын
@@thejoker-go3fh desert rose, cliffs of Dover, east wes, forty mile town, Steve’s boogie, Bristol shore, friends, soulful terrain, venus isle, Manhattan, when the sun meets the sky, trail of tears
@johnc.8298
@johnc.8298 4 жыл бұрын
Glen Campbell was an amazing player. He knew what notes he wanted to play and did so with precision and feel. My two favorite players are Gilmour and Santana. Truly neither of them are shredders or virtuoso's but they are so melodic in their lines and have a great sound. Each add tasty nuances to each note they use whether it be vibrato, bending, etc. They also have a feel for meaningful phrasing.
@skyhorseprice6591
@skyhorseprice6591 3 жыл бұрын
Glen Campbell can SHRED. Seriously.
@DanielCastillo-cn3pp
@DanielCastillo-cn3pp 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. He was a Wrecking Crüe session member
@simbad909
@simbad909 3 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly yup...and he could do like hendrix and such ...over his head behind his back ..never saw him use us toenails but bet he did in his private bathrooms lol
@davidkopec9442
@davidkopec9442 2 жыл бұрын
Every note is memorable. So melodic, always emotional, always meaningful.
@RohannvanRensburg
@RohannvanRensburg 4 жыл бұрын
This is such a weird debate. No one seems to have any problem with viruosic violinists, pianists, bassists, etc. No one seems to have trouble with "too many notes" in classical symphonies, nor fast runs by violin sections, nor complicated arpeggios in violin solos, etc. Nobody says Arvo Parte's "Fratres" is "just boring shredding". No one is chiding Bach's violin partitas as being "mechanical wanking". No one criticizes Williams' Star Wars for being "over orchestrated". But the second a guitar player plays a fast run, it's "I'd rather hear one beautiful note than ten million that don't mean anything". I get the sentiment, but the black and white nature of it feels very "old guy rock" and it reduces guitar and music broadly down to a narrow band of emotions. Why are the two mutually exclusive? Is every song *only* suitable for slow "Gilmour-y" solos? Why be so narrow minded about it? People that do both well may be few and far between, but I'm thinking of people like Nick Johnston, Guthrie Govan (both outstanding virtuoso's, improvisers and slow melodic players), Fredrik Akesson, etc.They're incredibly distinct stylistically, quite memorable and melodic, and very versatile. They have a larger toolbox than most, and as such have more to "say" at their disposal. The nature of human listening is that slow is easier to comprehend. Fast (meaning more notes in a shorter period of time) often takes more concentration and repeated listens. There's a time and a place for both. It's sort of like saying films should only be comprised of slow, emotional scenes, and should never fast-paced contain action, or that orchestras should never play anything FF.
@MrNeosantana
@MrNeosantana 4 жыл бұрын
The Devil's Trill Sonata is basically 17th century shred on violin. Bach was the true ancestor of metal due to his dark phrasing, but nobody masturbates to the slower musicians of that period because "too many notes". The Too Many Notes™ people are born entirely out of jazz and blues elitists in the 70s and 80s.
@McSlobo
@McSlobo 4 жыл бұрын
"Nobody" listens to that music so therefore there's less debate about classical music. Yes, I dislike the boring shredding in classical music too. I understand it needs skill to do something like that but it feels like wasted effort to me. Exactly the same as with some of the guitar shredders.
@MrNeosantana
@MrNeosantana 4 жыл бұрын
@@McSlobo That's the thing. Emotion and speed are not mutually exclusive. Liszt and Chopin were two of the fastest pianists to ever find fame. But no one would ever say that they're emotionless and "wasting their skill"
@JohnSmith-oe5kx
@JohnSmith-oe5kx 4 жыл бұрын
Funny you should say that. Rick cited Cziffra as an example of a piano virtuoso--with good reason--but I happen to find much of his playing rushed and "showy". Not really to my taste.
@RohannvanRensburg
@RohannvanRensburg 4 жыл бұрын
@@McSlobo "Nobody" listens to classical music? And yet it's still being studied and performed in sold-out venues 400 years after it was written?
@mwobbe66
@mwobbe66 4 жыл бұрын
EVH sort of bridges this definition, right? Incredible skills, shreds, and writes the most sublime rhythm parts.
@RickBeato
@RickBeato 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@OutOnTheTiles
@OutOnTheTiles 4 жыл бұрын
.....and Page.
@tribeshift
@tribeshift 4 жыл бұрын
Plus Eddie has fantastic blues phrasing, something which many shredders totally lack.
@toddb9311
@toddb9311 4 жыл бұрын
Phil X did a nice piece on EVH. Eddie does all that and swings, too.
@tribeshift
@tribeshift 4 жыл бұрын
@@toddb9311 - yeah, I saw that video where he covers "I'm The One" and explains that even he can't quite get Eddie's sense of swing.
@skeletonshorror5184
@skeletonshorror5184 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll take ten seconds of Gilmour over ten minutes of the best shredder any day. 💀🔥
@lanceroberthough1275
@lanceroberthough1275 3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@DingoTheDemon
@DingoTheDemon 3 жыл бұрын
Heck, ten minutes of shredding would probably get boring in my opinion! lol
@michaelpontrelli6588
@michaelpontrelli6588 3 жыл бұрын
What is your opinion on Satriani? I, too, prefer Gilmour to most shredders. But Satriani's compositions are very visual to me. Also, have you listened to any of Edgar Froese's guitar work? He didn't play guitar much, but he always struck me in the same manner Gilmour has when he did. Cheers!
@gerhardbraatz6305
@gerhardbraatz6305 3 жыл бұрын
@@Haroun-El-Poussah you are definitely entitled to your opinion.
@digitaldreamer5481
@digitaldreamer5481 3 жыл бұрын
I use to live right next door to one of the best musicians on the planet, not because he was one of the best guitarists. I mentioned it here because he played all the instruments in his head, go into a studio to record each instrument and then put all the tracks together. A great example would be “Children Of The Sun”. Of course, I’m talking about the late Billy Thorpe and my only regret is that I knew him, spoke to him often but never once had an opportunity to go to one of his concerts. The first time he played “Girls of Summer”, I just felt that he made the song up, right there on the spot… amazing!
@kevin1244
@kevin1244 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure what virtuoso really means or it matters at all but every single solo that Gilmour ever composed is highly listenable; every one of them. Name any other guitar player who has achieved such a status. In fact, none of the four in Pink Floyd were technically anyone to write home about; but their music is levels above anyone else’s. That is virtuoso to me!
@splitzerx570
@splitzerx570 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely nailed it on the head
@scottsmith4145
@scottsmith4145 Жыл бұрын
Mark Knopfler
@LumpyyyPotato
@LumpyyyPotato Жыл бұрын
If you consider boring ass sleeper nursery rhyme music as “listenable” then sure, you’re correct.
@dodgyg3697
@dodgyg3697 Жыл бұрын
​@@LumpyyyPotatoYep ,yer funny.
@KevinSheedy10
@KevinSheedy10 5 ай бұрын
Agree, what’s the point of being a virtuous. It’s just masturbation and willy measuring if the music you produce isn’t worth listening to. It’s like being the longest hitter at golf or the faster bowler etc. It’s basically irrelevant.
@shamvette
@shamvette 4 жыл бұрын
I think Carlos Santana needs to at least be mentioned as part of this "Gilmour Effect". His lines are tasteful, creative and can be very improvised when needed.
@karmpuscookie
@karmpuscookie Жыл бұрын
Not unique though.
@johnmcaleese8459
@johnmcaleese8459 Жыл бұрын
@@karmpuscookie I'm a fan of Carlos but he can't hold a stick to the likes of David Gilmore.
@michaelspedding783
@michaelspedding783 4 жыл бұрын
Jeff Beck said it himself. "Sometimes the best notes are the ones you don't play."
@petesweet8504
@petesweet8504 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Miles Davis said it's the silence between the notes!
@tablameister
@tablameister 4 жыл бұрын
@@petesweet8504 Exactly. Sometimes it is playing a note and letting that note resonate, in the listener's mind in the silence that follows that note, that makes that note all that more meaningful. Knowing when NOT to play is just as important as knowing when to play. This is a pet peeve of mine, particularly with drummers and percussionists - many don't know when not to play (e.g., to cut back on how much they play) and I have heard soulful performances ruined by drummers and percussionists who feel they have to fill in every possible millisecond and end up overplaying. Many fail to listen to what the other musicians are playing and how the other musicians are playing (e.g., speed, intensity, mood being conveyed etc.) and fail to adjust their own playing to match that.
@jillevers4710
@jillevers4710 4 жыл бұрын
I wasn't sure who said that (I thought it was Clapton) but thanks for that quote. It's 200% true thank you!
@maekong2010
@maekong2010 4 жыл бұрын
Abso-f*cking-lutely.
@oligohome
@oligohome 4 жыл бұрын
Leaving space is so important. It gives the audience the opportunity to catch up the goodness you just played.
@martigras87
@martigras87 4 жыл бұрын
Two virtuosos who deserve more recognition- Rory Gallagher and Gary Moore. We’re a small country but we produce huge talent 🇮🇪
@paulneeds
@paulneeds 4 жыл бұрын
I jammed with Rory once, in a London guitar store. What a lovely gentleman..
@RC-xi1xb
@RC-xi1xb 4 жыл бұрын
Very true!
@toddskinski
@toddskinski 4 жыл бұрын
Ireland has to have the highest, per capita, musical talent in the world!
@21mph12
@21mph12 4 жыл бұрын
Rory's the man.
@iqi616
@iqi616 4 жыл бұрын
Gary's rock work was phenomenal. Out In The Fields guitar solo is short but brilliant.
@mikescarlett4704
@mikescarlett4704 3 жыл бұрын
Amen 🌞 Thank you 🎶♾️🌎☮️🕊️🎶 🎸 Happy New Year 🎆
@WilliamBlackWolf
@WilliamBlackWolf 4 жыл бұрын
For anyone slagging off David Gilmour, here’s a task: Give me something, with all your virtuosity, that makes the hair stand up all over your body like ‘Shine on You Crazy Diamond Pts. 1-5’ The man is a genius.
@ilachow
@ilachow 4 жыл бұрын
His playing also brings tears to the eyes.
@Hartlor_Tayley
@Hartlor_Tayley 4 жыл бұрын
I didn’t read a single comment where someone was slagging off Gilmour.
@stynershiner1854
@stynershiner1854 4 жыл бұрын
I am not slagging Gilmour as he is an inspiration to my playing but listen to Jason Becker- Altitudes and tell me that doesn't pack emotion.
@Metalbass1979
@Metalbass1979 4 жыл бұрын
I've realized that the shredder vs Gilmour playing argument will probably rage on forever. But, I think we can all at least agree that Nigel Tufnel was one of the loudest guitarists ever.
@BarnardsATL
@BarnardsATL 4 жыл бұрын
True! 11/10 would recommend.
@pmvoice88
@pmvoice88 4 жыл бұрын
No argument. If anyone wants to get louder they need an amp that goes to 12, which is scientifically impossible.
@ManuelHernandez-do5qt
@ManuelHernandez-do5qt 4 жыл бұрын
What's the shredder vs gilmour argument
@kevinmcneeley879
@kevinmcneeley879 4 жыл бұрын
ROFL......Tap! Tap! Tap!
@pmvoice88
@pmvoice88 4 жыл бұрын
@@ManuelHernandez-do5qtThat's a good question.
@johnnymossville
@johnnymossville 3 жыл бұрын
I tend to think most shredders are missing a key component. There is no "hook" to keep me coming back. They obviously have technical abilities, but unless there is some melodic hook it all just gets lost in a jumble of notes.
@woody1797
@woody1797 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I need a hook of some kind. I'm a rhythm electric guitarist and an acoustic finger picker. I find most blues and metal improv masturbatory shredding to be boring, unless there is something unique or catchy about it.
@Sagittarius-88
@Sagittarius-88 3 жыл бұрын
Shredders basically sound like people who spend 99 percent of their practice time practicing scales, arpeggios, and not much else. Fast, fast, fast gets boring real quick when there's no melody, or more importantly, feeling behind it. Personally, I never found "shred guitar" to be all that interesting. Basically a contest of who can play the fastest scale. Technical skills? Yes. Musically interesting? Not so much.
@rahulbasu659
@rahulbasu659 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you've got to give guys like Joe Satriani and Guthrie Govan a chance. Besides, the hooks have gotten more complex too: e.g. If you haven't heard of Chon, please check them out - lovely songwriting, virtuosic playing. Complex hooks, not necessarily pentatonic based. That being said, I'd say it's an acquired taste, so you've got to give it some time. Another band I'd recommend is Intervals: The Shape of Colour.
@anotherbadseed
@anotherbadseed 3 жыл бұрын
Great soccer ball jugglers don;t always make great soccer players .....
@morfeophantasm7435
@morfeophantasm7435 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sagittarius-88 the antithesis of emotionless shredding his name is Robin Trower ; )
@Richardkv2112
@Richardkv2112 Жыл бұрын
Gilmour, Gary Moore, Uli Jon Roth Eddie Van Halen, Wes Montgomery, Hendrix, Schenker, Pat Metheny. Love all of them.
@Richardkv2112
@Richardkv2112 Жыл бұрын
Zappa too
@double-a4834
@double-a4834 4 жыл бұрын
As a fan of 60's and 70's guitarists I felt that shredders like Satriani were cold, clinical and un-interesting...until I got a chance to see him live. Wow. All the technique of the albums plus connectivity, and emotion.
@McGuire40695
@McGuire40695 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I feel very similiar listening to artists of all eras. I feel like most people say these shredders are "lifeless." I've seen so many players online of all different levels, and actually seeing the person play (whether it's a live performance from Satriani or Vai or a random video of an unknown artist), watching how they play will show their emotions as they play. For every lifeless and bland "shredder" (the "scale runners" as I call them), I see an equally or greater amount of poor blues guys who can barely phrase or bend in tune. It's just as bad as those people who learn to JUST play Flight of the Bumblebees to break world records. Guys like Vai and Gilmour, Satriani and Hendrix, etc are all great. Some guys play more intricate lines than the others, but they are all great players.
@phlie
@phlie 4 жыл бұрын
Satriani live is amazing indeed.
@forbesjeff
@forbesjeff 4 жыл бұрын
Satriani and Vai are great. And not everything they do is pure shredding, either. Malmsteen, on the other hand... great guitarist, but not capable of writing an interesting song.
@fla_panther1332
@fla_panther1332 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Rick, I've gotta leave you some honest feedback here. This is the second 30-minute video where the title was something interesting and then you never talked about it. I put the video on 2x speed and waited for you to talk about The Gilmour Effect or the Shredders are Boring argument. You mentioned it for like 2-3 minutes and then the entire rest of the video was nothing but you reading off a list of virtuosos. I'm at 24 minutes and I'm just going to close the video now. I love your What Makes This Song great videos, but if your other videos are just going to have clickbait titles with zero actual content then I'm just not going to watch them. I might give another one a shot in a few weeks but ... I doubt you'll see this, drowned in a sea of comments.
@LonesomeTwin
@LonesomeTwin 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely this. I commented the same before I read your take. I think what he was doing was reading the live comment feed and distracting himself. In musical terms the opening is never resolved. It makes for really bad future viewing, enough to put you off watching more Beato stuff maybe. Then there's all the paid ads and much worse the spoken ads. The test of a KZbin vid is how long would you watch it on TV, and in this case it would be seconds.
@GetUpTheMountains
@GetUpTheMountains 4 жыл бұрын
Live streams uploaded as videos later without significant editing are always going to be less information dense than a proper informative video with a script etc. I generally skip any of these stream-to-library style videos, regardless of channel.
@LonesomeTwin
@LonesomeTwin 4 жыл бұрын
@@GetUpTheMountains If anyone has heard of post-production it should be Rick Beato.
@cjswag
@cjswag 4 жыл бұрын
This was my thought, too. After watching all 29:46, I found myself asking, “So...... what exactly *is* the David Gilmour (not ‘Gilmore’, as listed in some other comments.... he’s not one of The he Gilmore Girls, LOL) effect?”
@Isaacmossguitar
@Isaacmossguitar 4 жыл бұрын
I get your point but what he was talking about still related to the Gilmour Vs. shredder debate, and that's just generally how streams or j conversations will go. Start with one topic then move on to one still in the same subject
@jed1166
@jed1166 4 жыл бұрын
“Stevie Ray could break a string, and STILL not hit a bad note”.... SRV the best of the best. Watch SRV here doing “Life Without You” live, and he changes guitars, breaks a string, drops his pick, plays behind his back and still doesn’t hit a bad note... Miss ya.
@gfriedman99
@gfriedman99 4 жыл бұрын
How is that even possible!? He was ridiculous.
@jed1166
@jed1166 4 жыл бұрын
@@gfriedman99 I met his big brother Jimmy, and he said SRV played for 12 hours a day... this constant practice led Stevie to a point where, by his own admission, he didn’t even think of what he was playing until he had already played... his fingers were in front of his brain...
@gfriedman99
@gfriedman99 4 жыл бұрын
@@jed1166 Yes, I read his bio a few years back. Him and his brother were almost never in school. Same for EVH.
@johnkeirs7838
@johnkeirs7838 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite player OAT. Complete command over every nuance, seemingly without effort. It's like his brain fused with his instrument. RIP SRV, one of a kind.
@jeppyjep
@jeppyjep 3 жыл бұрын
@@jed1166 12 hours a day? Is he a robot? Damn i cant even practice for 2 hours without getting lazy.
@smithfactory
@smithfactory 4 жыл бұрын
"...neither is Eric Clapton - his nickname was Slowhand" I'm not going to argue whether or not he's a virtuoso or not, but he got his nickname because he was slow at re-stringing. From Clapton's autobiography: "On my guitar I used light-gauge guitar strings, with a very thin first string, which made it easier to bend the notes, and it was not uncommon during the most frenetic bits of playing for me to break at least one string. During the pause while I was changing my string, the frenzied audience would often break into a slow handclap, inspiring Giorgio to dream up the nickname of 'Slowhand' Clapton." Given your authority on many things guitar, I figured you'd have known this!
@grandpied
@grandpied 4 жыл бұрын
clap...clap...clap
@georgeeldridge7954
@georgeeldridge7954 4 жыл бұрын
Clapton was the first virtuoso in rock. Listen to wheels of fire and bluesbreakers and tell me that isn’t ridiculously virtuousic.
@grandpied
@grandpied 4 жыл бұрын
@Keith Sizemore It's fun to be reminded of comments made. The old saying; What's in a name? _Clapton_ must have received _tons_ of slow _claps._ Who wrote the Book of Life!
@gtrbri98
@gtrbri98 4 жыл бұрын
Gilmour himself said that he just could not physically move his fingers very fast, but his magic was in those big beautiful soaring bends and vocal-like vibrato that he would subtly wiggle at the end of a note like a trained opera singer. The Gilmour-effect is a thing because his playing is both beautiful, evocative and memorable.
@bighenry6633
@bighenry6633 4 жыл бұрын
Gilmour is a singer, shredders are rappers.
@thegreatsoutherntrendkill272
@thegreatsoutherntrendkill272 4 жыл бұрын
@@bighenry6633 Nah, depends on the "shredder".
@MisterNiles
@MisterNiles 4 жыл бұрын
I believe that "wiggle" is the technical term used by opera singers. I'm just picturing an insufferable, stuffy academic, proclaiming loftily, with his nose in the air, "Maria Calas not only had a beautiful tone, but the way she wiggled notes at the end of a phrase was exquisite."
@gtrbri98
@gtrbri98 4 жыл бұрын
MisterNiles haha...yes I like to call my vibrato bar a “wiggle stick”. Does vocal jiggle sound any more professional?
@mrnelsonius5631
@mrnelsonius5631 4 жыл бұрын
Gilmour is so invested in the sounds he’s making, so “in it” I’ve watched videos where he is turning a compressor on and off throughout his solo to sustain notes. I had never thought to do that until I watched him. He’s really hearing what he’s doing and reacting and shaping everything intently in real time. It’s beautiful stuff. It’s not just notes coming out, it’s the sound of it he’s living in
@guyjerry
@guyjerry 4 жыл бұрын
I feel Django Reinhardt was left out. Two working fingers yet he could run circles around nearly anyone on this list. Plus we’re talking about the 1930s/40s here, unprecedented for the time
@leescuderi8331
@leescuderi8331 4 жыл бұрын
Most guitar players dont know the genius of Django or dismiss him because he isn't playing an eclectic guitar in a rock band. IMO he was the first true guitar virtuoso. He could play insanely technical solos but had the ability to pull back and play beautiful melodies as well.. To me Django and Gillmor have similarities in that they knew how to speak with melody. The perfect placement of notes to have the most impact on the listener. The sign of a true master.
@estimatedleighton6389
@estimatedleighton6389 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Jerry Garcia influence
@eltigre8978
@eltigre8978 4 жыл бұрын
No doubt about it. Django was a genius. He couldn't read a note of music, let alone even write his own name. He signed his signature with an X yet he understood music intuitively.
@darktoranaga
@darktoranaga 4 жыл бұрын
@@leescuderi8331 I doubt any guitar player really dismisses Django.
@im_from_liverpool3293
@im_from_liverpool3293 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I've checked out a few new artists and loved every bit so far. I do have to say I believe Steve Vai belongs in this conversation as well. Love from NY!
@jed1166
@jed1166 4 жыл бұрын
Les Paul once addressed a young super fast shredder ,”Okay, you’re fast kid. BUT, would your mother know it was you playing if she heard you on the radio?”
@TJTinerella
@TJTinerella 4 жыл бұрын
Les PAul was actually a shredder of his day
@TJTinerella
@TJTinerella 4 жыл бұрын
@@darkcranny3851 Agreed but...Les Paul was a groundbreaking guitar player not a luther...he invented multi tracking and he was a blazing fast jazz player...the shredder of his day
@jed1166
@jed1166 4 жыл бұрын
@@darkcranny3851 in 2009, Les Paul was named one of the “Top 10 Electric Guitarists” by Time Magazine. In 2011 he was ranked #18 in Rolling Stone Magazines “Top 100 Guitarists,(voters included Eddie Van Halen, Carlos Santana, and Brian May). Inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by Jeff Beck,(who said he stole lots of Paul’s licks). Inducted into Jazz Hall of Fame. Won 3 “Best Instrumental” Grammys. Given the Grammy Trustees Award for lifetime achievement. Nashville Walk of Fame. Star on Hollywood Blvd. And, look right here on KZbin and you can listen to him jam the with the likes of Slash, Richie Sambora, Keith Richards, Paul Mc Cartney, and even Zakk Wilde. Luthier??? Surely you jest!
@godfreydaniel6278
@godfreydaniel6278 4 жыл бұрын
@@darkcranny3851 - I'm guessing you're a shredder with a really raw and tender nerve just now. And no, Paul wasn't a luthier - he was a GREAT guitarist - who could chew up and spit out any shredder alive - and ALSO had a gift for melody AND was a brilliant technical innovator. And yes - I can identify dozens of guitarists' tone and style in less than two bars. None of them shredders, coincidently...
@---yx7ti
@---yx7ti 4 жыл бұрын
this quote is supposed to be good?
@arnoldmmbb
@arnoldmmbb 4 жыл бұрын
The only Gilmour effect I know its the happiness listening comfortarbly numb solos 😗 Edit, the Beato effect: the happines when rick uploads a new video!! Thanks for the likes guys!!
@RickBeato
@RickBeato 4 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@arnoldmmbb
@arnoldmmbb 4 жыл бұрын
@@RickBeato also the beato effect... the happines when you upload a new video!!!! 😂
@ericedmunds9488
@ericedmunds9488 4 жыл бұрын
Or any Gilmour solo!
@daniel_naaden
@daniel_naaden 4 жыл бұрын
actually Marooned is better
@davidmiller9485
@davidmiller9485 4 жыл бұрын
@@RickBeato question? is Neil Sedaka a virtuoso? He was to represent the United States at the 1966 Tchaikovsky classical piano competition in Moscow, however his "rock and roll" songs got the Russian to disqualify him. (he did play "Fantaisie Impromptu" on I've go a secret). He also wrote most of Connie Francis's songs. (well him and Greenfield). Is he a Virtuoso? Edit: sometimes i think i'm getting to old to type... maybe i need a nap!
@Immacu_late
@Immacu_late 4 жыл бұрын
I think Hendrix was a genius in the way he was able to create a style on the electric guitar. ‘Hear my train’ live at Berkeley is astounding at the endless musical ideas. He inspired others like SRV and Eric Johnson. To say he is not a virtuoso is something subjective. Miles Davis wanted to use Hendrix because Jimi COULD play. Music is subjective. What’s relative is that to play music as well as the virtuoso is to combine the skill with the creativity to express the musical piece as an ultimate experience. The ‘Gilmor effect’ is the experience of listening to his ‘playing’ and how it leaves the listener, elevated by the experience, by his commitment to his pursuance of producing musical sound on the guitar.
@MrRozburn
@MrRozburn 4 жыл бұрын
Hendrix was sloppy but I still love his playing
@RichardMcLamore
@RichardMcLamore 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrRozburn a dude who can't nail the rhythm part to johnny f'n b goode uh . . . . dude innovated and then got sloppy as hell.
@GospelBluesMan
@GospelBluesMan 4 жыл бұрын
Hendrix was good yes and influenced many yes. Yet he built on what others did before him. Buddy Guy , Guitar Slim , etc. For me though I prefer SRV doing Hendrix more than Hendrix doing Hendrix. SRV just plays it cleaner while Jimmie was after the crazy tones and sounds and distortions.
@Immacu_late
@Immacu_late 4 жыл бұрын
@@GospelBluesMan SRV never pushed the boundaries like Jimi. Hendrix didnt get "sloppy" because he wasn't a virtuoso but because he was forced to play what the public wanted, its obvious some of his live performances showed little enthusiasm. Hendrix wasn't sloppy, he was a force of nature and for the time a vituoso on the electric guitar.
@GospelBluesMan
@GospelBluesMan 4 жыл бұрын
@@Immacu_late At that time in the 60's there was more than one pushing boundaries. Janis Joplin 's band comes to mind , but not the only one. To say SRV didn't push at boundaries is not quite accurate. He put together a style of blues playing widely copied now days. Yet that didn't come out of now where. Listen to Albert King. Same with Hendrix if you would have been able to see Buddy Guy live back then you would know. I am not saying Hendrix wasn't important in guitar history. He was very important.
@craigt4467
@craigt4467 2 жыл бұрын
Rick I enjoy your live streams and all your videos I have seen. I admit I had almost forgotten Buddy Rich who I saw on TV as a kid he was amazing to watch and to hear 👂🏼 as my love of music began. So many of the virtuosos you mention in this live stream I’m sure I’ve heard their music however didn’t know their names In the 1970s 80s and even the 90s on TV shows or concerts the director made sure not to show a guitarist’s Left had or a keyboard players hands at all I guess they thought they were protecting their art by not letting the audience see how they were playing it. The many things I love about you and your channel is that you do show us exactly the way and how they played it Super good show today Thank you Best wishes always from Las Vegas Craig Todays live stream 5 out of 5 stars ✨ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Bravo 👏🏻
@seanpalmedo2142
@seanpalmedo2142 4 жыл бұрын
Rick, what about Buckethead? Most think he's nothing but a shredder but he has incredible compositions. Doesn't waste a note and can change styles within the same song without changing the tone or format of the song.
@Ishfarzzz94
@Ishfarzzz94 3 жыл бұрын
yeah. people have only heard the usual stuff, jordan and a few others, and complain about him only shredding which is far from the truth. the man is an extremely good composer and can play with a ton of space. i'd say he's one of the most versatile guitarist around
@ishtiaquehossain6350
@ishtiaquehossain6350 3 жыл бұрын
Who happens to be a student of Shawn Lane.
@Blendletan
@Blendletan 3 жыл бұрын
I second this! Buckethead has found the most relatable and catchy use of 12 tone serial music in history. In addition to inventing funk-metal. And being able to play as fast as anything with almost any tone or sound, including several he invented. Where others would just use compression and a noisegate, Big B learns to play the killswitch. Compositionally he writes music designed for equal temperament tuning like almost nobody else. Big B has as far more diminished and augmented chords than dominant chords. And a century after Schoenberg Buckethead found the use of serialism - those 8 finger tapping interludes. But more than anything he's a larger than life character. The average person who sees Bucket notices his bizarre costume, his strange mannerisms, and the way his music fits in perfectly and accentuates everything about this crazy character. I get that not everyone is going to be a huge fanboy like me, sure. But the way he is treated like a second rate version of Yngwie with a silly costume is just shocking!
@WaxDat8800
@WaxDat8800 3 жыл бұрын
Buckethead is slept on.
@stephenhanson3309
@stephenhanson3309 3 жыл бұрын
'Octave of the Holy Innocents', virtuoso playing throughout. also look at his early work, excellent in many genres.
@michaelfleischmann5386
@michaelfleischmann5386 4 жыл бұрын
Guthrie Govan's solo in "Regret #9" on Steven Wilsons "Hand. cannot. Erase" is perhaps the best example of a virtuoso. One take, play through, stright on the record... and Guthries first bend after Holzman's Moog solo is just goosebumps every time...
@toddjobin5516
@toddjobin5516 4 жыл бұрын
Every one of Guthrie's solos on Steven Wilson's albums are spectacular, particularly Regret #9, Drive Home, and Ancestral. The first time I heard Ancestral, I thought he sounded like a cross between Gilmour and Vai.
@Germs19
@Germs19 4 жыл бұрын
Ancestral solo from the same album and we've got a deal
@michaelcameron2292
@michaelcameron2292 4 жыл бұрын
Guthrie is a virtuoso
@McSlobo
@McSlobo 4 жыл бұрын
Too bad Wilson makes music too perfect and soulless.
@colinburroughs9871
@colinburroughs9871 4 жыл бұрын
Steven Wilson is so overly pompous and derivative. Govan does take some good solos on that record, but his solo stuff and The Aristocrats are more fun by a factor of ten.
@morfeophantasm7435
@morfeophantasm7435 3 жыл бұрын
Robin Trower is an amazing guitarist .. his emotionally bluesy phrasing and riffs are haunted .
@RaymondBCrisp
@RaymondBCrisp 3 жыл бұрын
I'll second that.
@paulpower7018
@paulpower7018 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely!
@maestroaxeman
@maestroaxeman 3 жыл бұрын
What's really cool about Trower is his TONE alongside his skill. He literally played his guitar tuned a full step down with heavy gauged strings. His sound & technique is off-the-hook.
@morfeophantasm7435
@morfeophantasm7435 3 жыл бұрын
@@maestroaxeman that unique tone is what makes it haunted yo .. he and Hendrix are the top 2 in my book .
@robertmackenzie2808
@robertmackenzie2808 3 жыл бұрын
@@morfeophantasm7435 what about rory?
@michaelsparks8632
@michaelsparks8632 3 жыл бұрын
Love your insight Rick, another Vid well done!
@GuillermoEDelgado
@GuillermoEDelgado 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. A lot of people are defending Gilmore saying he is a virtuoso, when really we should be discussing the idea that virtuosity has nothing to do with the art side of music. Music can be excellent without being virtuosic. Virtuoso focuses in on the technical aspects. The two aspects can exist independently or they can exist together. But virtuosity doesn’t = music. Gilmore doesn’t have to be considered a virtuoso to be considered one of the greatest guitar players in history.
@sgtbigballs666
@sgtbigballs666 3 жыл бұрын
/highfive for that comment, I always get flamed for saying anything like this haha
@The_Rude_French_Canadian
@The_Rude_French_Canadian 3 жыл бұрын
He’s a virtuoso in the sense that his improvisation skills are top notch and his way of playing conveys emotions in a manner that very few have ever come close to reproducing. You can recognize his playing instantly but I get what you’re saying.
@joelschama1735
@joelschama1735 3 жыл бұрын
Gilmore isn't the best guitar player in history. One of, as you said, maybe, but if you listen to Floyd after Waters left it all sound very similar. He has a particular style and sticks to it without stepping outside box, unfortunately. Whereas guitarists like Michael Hedges and Jon Gomm are virtuosos and are absolutely the best guitar players ever. They re-invented how the guitar is played and the sounds you can create from it, as well as not being locked into one style.
@mosesthetank2318
@mosesthetank2318 3 жыл бұрын
Very common refrain of the unskilled. I first heard this in 7th grade when watching Branford and Wynton Marsalis transcribing some Art Tatum tunes, and again a few years later when Steve Ripberger (a completely unheard of guitarist) transcribed Ornette Coleman to be played on guitar. A very good friend of mine, who just couldn't play, babbled on about how he had more feeling in one note than any of these guys (and to be sure, there was no God after BB King). He said the same thing about anyone who could play fast and had a better ear... Perlman, Horowitz, Yo-Yo, Pepe Romero or EVH. He is still a great friend and almost 40 years later I can still shut him up by putting a chord chart of Naima in front of him.
@Laudanum9
@Laudanum9 3 жыл бұрын
Agree !
@MyNameAkhim
@MyNameAkhim 4 жыл бұрын
I think guys like Marty Friedman have the best of both worlds. He is technically very proficient but also has a lot of variety and “emotion” in what he plays. Also he improvises a ton
@raf5.13
@raf5.13 4 жыл бұрын
And he is very vocal about not wanting to be called a shredder.
@Jeroen_K
@Jeroen_K 4 жыл бұрын
+1. I like most of Nuno B's solo's too because of those qualities. Always a melody and a creative idea. Very rarely sounds like just patterns up and down on scales like much of the shredders do.
@captainprivate3768
@captainprivate3768 4 жыл бұрын
Also add Buckethead to this club. He can shred but that's definitely not all he does.
@jusebacho
@jusebacho 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Angelo batio too
@Zigarius1123
@Zigarius1123 4 жыл бұрын
@@jusebacho nobody likes playing with him lol. He's such an arrogant a-hole
@Jskins
@Jskins 4 жыл бұрын
​It's the same with drummers who are technically phenomenal but don't have the sense of soul and playing just what's needed. Think Steve Jordan on drums. Same with any instrument. It's about the music not just the ability. I've seen Gilmore 7 times live with Floyd and solo and he can take you to a place, he can make you feel the music in your soul. Zappa is my all time favorite guitar virtuoso.
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 4 жыл бұрын
Thats just your personal preference. I find nothing moving about the music. I find Led Zeppelin utterly boring. Its all just our opinions. They mean nothing.
@TheMichaelseymour
@TheMichaelseymour 4 жыл бұрын
you could have the jazziest cats ever....and if they were in the Beatles ...they would pretty much have to play what ringo played .......you dont need any more . And thats gos for guitar too i say
@shawnmcvey7789
@shawnmcvey7789 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheMichaelseymour The Beatles are an odd duck because some of their parts are just too imperfectly perfect. The only Beatles covers I've ever really been in awe of were by Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, and Wilson Pickett. I was in a cover band that did a lot of Beatles and even though I tried not to, I ended up having to learn the Harrison parts.
@toddgarci1966
@toddgarci1966 4 жыл бұрын
rick beato he has never dedicated a minute to frank zappa ...
@TheMichaelseymour
@TheMichaelseymour 4 жыл бұрын
@@shawnmcvey7789 yeh ...thats the point huh ? But yeh, not saying it cant be done (bringing chops to the table ) - but playing simple was something i had to learn but subjugating my ego ...its been worth it ...i now only play fast ...when it absolutely screams for it
@namnik1
@namnik1 2 жыл бұрын
David does play 4 notes as a theme in many songs and moves the listener beyond the music. When a musician produces a full range of emotions with minimal notes, he/she wins.
@deSerresFamJam
@deSerresFamJam 4 жыл бұрын
The limitation on shredding is that they largely appeal to guitarists who enjoy the technicals. It's a very niche group. There are so many top shredders who feel soulless and excessive and to have missed the boat on what musics about for most people. Speed reaches a point of diminished returns and many mentioned in these comments have passed it. Gilmour's career was predicated on playing in the sweet spot, and doing it in such a contrasting manner to speed guitarists that you can't ignore how much he gets done on an emotional level that many speeders never touch, or never seem to care to touch.
@unconventionalguitarist9129
@unconventionalguitarist9129 4 жыл бұрын
All depends what you feel like listening to
@sardonicgoat
@sardonicgoat 4 жыл бұрын
For the people who feel like modern day shredders lack the “feel” of a David Gilmour listen to Guthrie Govan’s solo on Steven Wilson’s song “Ancestral”.
@Fedor_Tkachev_Music
@Fedor_Tkachev_Music 4 жыл бұрын
well that's a great example of an amazing solo, but not an example of shredding
@neighbourhoodmusician
@neighbourhoodmusician 4 жыл бұрын
All of Guthrie Govan's output makes me feel something. I care not for speed particularly but he completely speaks his character through every touch of the guitar. He is the guitar, the guitar is him.
@anmolatwal
@anmolatwal 4 жыл бұрын
Comparing guitarists dont .ake any sense to me unless they are playing in the same context. They are vastly different players. Where guthrie's playing makes me sort of hyped up, gilmour's playing makes me want to shrink into myself.
@neighbourhoodmusician
@neighbourhoodmusician 4 жыл бұрын
@@anmolatwal You are absolutely right. The football team mentality is bullshit. Unfortunate human nature.
@anmolatwal
@anmolatwal 4 жыл бұрын
@@neighbourhoodmusician I know....remember that George video about war.... its all about prick wavering.....big dick policy. Thats all it is....ask guthrie, he says gilmour is the best of all time....ask gilmour he says guthrie is the best technical guitarist of this generation.....and us commoners with our who's the best top 10 lists fighting.....
@metaspherz
@metaspherz 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Lifeson of RUSH is my favorite shredder. But he also has a slow hand. Listen to his 'Closer to the Heart' solo and it's pure magic! He's a bonified virtuoso if I've ever heard one. In fact, the entire band SHREDS!
@subtlehills3844
@subtlehills3844 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed-and the short solo in Jacob's Ladder-one of my favorite guitar solos of all time
@howardjohny
@howardjohny 4 жыл бұрын
The solo on Kid Gloves... WOW!
@peterthomas1187
@peterthomas1187 4 жыл бұрын
I am always blown away by his playing on "Discovery" on 2112 - his phrasing tells the story of someone picking up a guitar for the first time and learning and exploring what the instrument can do...it's masterful...
@jamesgoddard2321
@jamesgoddard2321 4 жыл бұрын
I learned guitar because of Alex Lifeson and Rush, and I love his solos, but I believe where he shines is in his chords. He’s a true expert of chord development and use in a composition.
@tomjones239
@tomjones239 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgoddard2321 Alex plays with serious feeling on the Rush song "Losing it." "La Villa Strangiatto" (sp?) is great as well. His solo on YYZ is a trip too...very strange.
@WrvrUgoThrUR
@WrvrUgoThrUR 3 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Page’s solo on ‘Fool In The Rain’ is the perfect balance between shredding, lyrical melody and silence.
@bonglord430
@bonglord430 Жыл бұрын
Yes love it!
@nickangelo3283
@nickangelo3283 4 жыл бұрын
One of the challenges is that most of us consider the word “virtuoso” to be a qualitative analysis. Like, it’s preferable to be a virtuoso as opposed to not being one. Virtuoso, is mostly a technical term and applies to a lot of things other than music. Music is a unique case because it also includes an emotional aspect that is beyond technique. Saying that Modern Guitar Player X is a virtuoso while Hendrix was not, doesn’t mean that player X is “better” than Hendrix. They may be more technically proficient than Jimi was, but music is much more than technicality. It’s not an insult to say someone is not a virtuoso. In fact, it may be more challenging to be a guitarist that speaks to people while showing off virtuosity. My point is that it’s not an insult to say that your favorite guitar player is not a virtuoso, and we don’t all need to defend those players by saying we’d rather listen to them over some modern shredder. Both things can be true. The most technically advanced guitarists can be alive today, and all our favorites can be in the past. Music is about so much more than technique, but great technique is also something to be appreciated.
@Vanhelwig
@Vanhelwig 4 жыл бұрын
You essentially articulated what I was thinking. Agreed on all accounts.
@taunokekkonen5733
@taunokekkonen5733 4 жыл бұрын
I've always thought of virtuosity as being infinitely recognisable. Knopfler, YJM, Dime, Eric Johnson, Tosin, Vai, Satriani, Gilmour... one bar and you know.
@MahirParekh
@MahirParekh 4 жыл бұрын
Amazed by how much sense you made. (No sarcasm).
@harrydehnhardt5092
@harrydehnhardt5092 4 жыл бұрын
@@taunokekkonen5733 You have to put Santana in this line too. Not the greatest "technician" but you recognize him immediately. And not to forget Jeff Beck.
@TheChristOfRockNRoll
@TheChristOfRockNRoll 4 жыл бұрын
@@harrydehnhardt5092 And partly instantly recognizable due to his signature guitar sound just like Brian May which in this video Rick said does not fall under the category of virtuoso.....but just like Santana conveys a lot of feel and emotion in their melodic guitar solos. While I tend to agree with the argument that the term "virtuoso" seem to focus much more on technical expertise and ability to display a large number of diverse chops....for me I would rather concentrate on the question "who is the more effective artist?" whom through their playing touches a part of you with their playing in a way that makes you feel alive and connected to the cosmic zest of life making you aware that there is much more to life than the material universe. For every note a guitar artist doesn't play (the empty spaces in their phrasings) it is an invisible note that complete the totality of the phrases played......what you don't play matters just as much as what you play essentially making the old adage "less is more" a truism and very "zen" like. For me an example of such a guitarist is Steve Rothery from the neo-prog rock UK band Marillion (the first 4 albums in particular from the Fish era). Very Gilmouresque.
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