You’re Probably Using The WRONG Guitar Strings

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Rick Beato

Rick Beato

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@hecanseeme8210
@hecanseeme8210 3 жыл бұрын
I played 11s for years then heard Gibbons say that he was using 7s of 7.5. So I figured what the hell and tried them, and found out I was a dumb ass. When playing 11s I would break strings all the time. Now when I use 8s I almost never break strings, my hand lasts longer, I got a raise, lowered my house payment, and my wife and kid respect me. Honestly though lighter is better.
@Ben7seven7
@Ben7seven7 3 жыл бұрын
@David Wang The dogs easily bribed for respect with a Scoobie Snack.
@hecanseeme8210
@hecanseeme8210 3 жыл бұрын
@David Wang dog still doesn’t listen.
@cdeme123
@cdeme123 3 жыл бұрын
Less is more. Went back to 9s and thinking about 8s now.
@esl4058
@esl4058 3 жыл бұрын
I guess 11 was too much for your wife. 7 does seem to be a much more preferable size.
@hanskorn
@hanskorn 3 жыл бұрын
Life changing
@ShaneChaffin
@ShaneChaffin 4 жыл бұрын
I love how as guitarists, we can find such joy in obsessing over things that most people don't notice or care about.
@jhay3966
@jhay3966 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not experiencing much joy in this, but I get what you mean
@williamdickerson1933
@williamdickerson1933 4 жыл бұрын
That was awesome. So many people have frowned at me for using 9s. I just like the feel better. Hell, I might try 8s now. Lol
@Chaps_Jr
@Chaps_Jr 4 жыл бұрын
@@williamdickerson1933 When I first started playing, everyone told me 10s were the standard. I had to accidentally buy 9s to realize 10s weren't right for me. Been playing Super Slinky strings for 12 years now.
@cs3634
@cs3634 4 жыл бұрын
Its super annoying. I hate that I do it and I know its so idiotic because nobody else hears it. I just CANT turn it off.
@mariosjpaulo
@mariosjpaulo 4 жыл бұрын
All people obsess over something they like... guitarists obsess over strings
@StrikeSideway
@StrikeSideway 4 жыл бұрын
The tonal variation is there, but so slight that it shouldn't be determining factor IMO. What is far more important is your playing style. If you're shredder, and bender with a light touch and hi gain, 8's are probably the way to go. If you're a heavy hitter or do a lot of finger picking and slide work, 10's or 11's might work better. I wouldn't base it on tone because lets face it, the tonal controls available today to the modern guitarist for compensation far surpass any of the nuanced tonal differences of the gauge . It should be based on what 'feels' best to your hands.
@300watthead
@300watthead 4 жыл бұрын
StrikeSideway good thoughts. I think a little EQ may be able to compensate for the difference. The way you play is an important factor. The one guy in the video mentioned that he played differently because of the 8s.
@jamesrocks300mf
@jamesrocks300mf 4 жыл бұрын
yeah i have to agree. this past year (2019-2020) i went though a lot of strings on a strandburg guitar trying different makes and gauges of those makes to find a comfortable set i liked. my end result was surprising to me and that was elixir nanoweb 10s. i had swore to never use these strings after going through a few sets and always breaking the high e. but i found a little eq more then made up any difference and i went on to try different combos on all my other guitars that range from fenders to ibenze and some acoustics as well. the thing i found was it really doesn't matter what i use because the amp and technique play a far more important roll. i can change tone far more effectively by just switching amps then strings. i can also switch guitars. but with this video in mind, im thinking its possible to "fine tune" a sound buy switching different gauges. but what do i know, im just a guy who likes playing guitar and multi tracking, i am no pro at any of this and only know what i like and what works for me.
@TheRatman969
@TheRatman969 4 жыл бұрын
completely agree its about letting the instrument decide. Feel is key. for your style and what your after with each individual instrument .
@francescorenna
@francescorenna 4 жыл бұрын
On another hand, I would consider the guitar health. If I play an Ibanez from the 1980s, 0.09 gauge should work better, don't you reckon?
@blankfrank23
@blankfrank23 4 жыл бұрын
Ha! I've been doing more fingerpicking and slide work over the last few years. Now I'm wondering if that's because it sounds better and feels more comfortable on the 11-52s I play. Why did I pick those? Well, the harder it is to play, the better it must sound, right? I wonder what my style would be like now if I'd started on 8s...
@BenWatkinsGtr
@BenWatkinsGtr Жыл бұрын
I concur with Rick's impression of the lows tightening up with the ultra light .008 set, but there are a few other factors worth addressing. The difference of +10% total ferrous mass is present between a .009 and a .010 E-string, and that additional mass has a measurably greater effect when it's creating signal by vibrating in the pickup's magnetic field. As particular as many players are with their signal path, it's a factor worth considering. Also, there is a correlation between a string's length/diameter ratio and the balance between fundamentals and harmonics of the note produced. Assuming the consistent scale length of the guitar, the strings with greater diameter will have more harmonics added to the fundamental tones due to properties of the original "string physics". This principle is why they make 9-foot grand pianos and they are generally better to record than a church basement spinet upright. Finally, strings with less tension have a greater tendency toward transient modulation, especially on the heavy strings, and laying into them hard with the right hand drives the note sharp before the tension equalizes along the string length. It's easy to see with an old fashioned VU-meter guitar tuner. This upward pitch deviation can hit the ear in a way that makes the intonation sound iffy, and laying back with your right hand to compensate can sound like some of the intent of the player is muted. In fact, any increase in tension (like bending) is more audibly pronounced with lighter strings, so the common issue of first fret bass notes being slightly sharp compared to the open tuned string is generally more pronounced with lighter strings. I often place a slightly heavier 6th on an acoustic with .011s and it helps the intonation between the open pitch and the first few fretted notes. I have usually gone with a .009-.046 or .010-.048 for electric, but I can't argue with the results of all those amazing guitarists using a .008 set. Billy Gibbons currently uses .008s, but many classic ZZ tunes were recorded with his self-described "baling wire" strings. Askill's "Physical Properties of Musical Sounds" is a great reference for some of these queries. I was lucky enough to take a course with the author years ago.
@mattmorris2867
@mattmorris2867 9 ай бұрын
Too long.
@oldschoolfoil2365
@oldschoolfoil2365 9 ай бұрын
when you get old and more refined after playing the heavy crap when your young and have a hand grip like a gorilla the 8's keep us old schoolers going
@thepeacefulenemy4026
@thepeacefulenemy4026 9 ай бұрын
Interesting. I wonder what a set of flatwounds-with a ferrous core, but non-ferrous winding-would sound like…
@capnjames
@capnjames 9 ай бұрын
@@oldschoolfoil2365bassists who play guitar don’t seem to mind lol
@zaxmaxlax
@zaxmaxlax 9 ай бұрын
​@@thepeacefulenemy4026They last a looong time if you dont play much. I put 11-47 Thomastik flatwounds on my epiphone ES-335 and they lasted like 2 years, since they're "flat" theres no gunk in between the wounds. But I ended up going back to my old daddario 10-46 anyways.
@eddypiof9984
@eddypiof9984 4 жыл бұрын
The "physical" feeling of the strings is as important as their supposed intrinsic sound, as it determines the way you play in many subtle aspects....
@marko7282
@marko7282 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly that
@beatsinabar
@beatsinabar 4 жыл бұрын
Light and 'heavy' strings respond quite differently - with heavier guage offfering a lot more expression, imho!
@CJZM7777
@CJZM7777 4 жыл бұрын
yes, strings do respond differently but there was a distinct difference in sound for me. The 8s and 9s had better clarity and surprisingly good bass tone. I think the player can adjust to the feel in most cases. I have 3 guitars with 2 with 10s and one 25.5 scale with nines. I think I am going to try 9s on all of them after hearing this. I like the tone of the 8s and 9s much more than the 10s and 11s.
@realkylehooks
@realkylehooks 4 жыл бұрын
@@beatsinabar Nonsense. Lighter strings free you up so you're not fighting the guitar. It physically takes more work to do the same thing if you're on heavy strings
@JoshBattershell
@JoshBattershell 4 жыл бұрын
USJoe7 it’s impossible for me to comfortably play 9’s or 8’s. I can barely play on 10’s without feeling like I’m going to bend the strings all over the place. I do play a lot of surf and punk music though. So maybe it really depends on what genres you play, but I could never get used to anything lower than 10’s.
@alexjackson8841
@alexjackson8841 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I've always found the difference in how the gauges feel when you play them to be a much more significant factor than their tone when it comes to choosing which one's best. The fact that light gauges take a tiny bit less effort to play makes a big difference if you're playing technical lead stuff. They make your playing feel much more light and effortless. Similarly heavier strings feel far more sturdy for heavy riffing rather than lighter strings which will feel like rubber bands in lower tunings
@1gregmoreira
@1gregmoreira 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed It’s more a matter of function than anything. I am personally the opposite. I like a heavier string. Not crazy heavy, but like an 11 to 52 or somewhere around there. Hard to explain but I know where the string is and I know my fretwork better when the string resists. Light stuff feels flimsy to me and I feel and sometimes sound sloppy when I’m playing a light string that doesn’t offer as much feedback
@imoffendedthatyouareoffended
@imoffendedthatyouareoffended 2 жыл бұрын
@@1gregmoreira I use 10-56 lmao. Little but thick too. I prefer my other setups with 9-42’s. I like to bend real hard I’m sure I’d love 8’s more but I have yet to try them.
@Davidsdavidson
@Davidsdavidson 2 жыл бұрын
AGREED
@ta_pegandofogo
@ta_pegandofogo Жыл бұрын
You're right. The way you play changes your tone more than the string gauge itself. I personally use 10's gauge because thinner strings don't give me stability and control enough. Plus, the change becomes more evident when you play on clean with high gain like me.
@bababoey.
@bababoey. Жыл бұрын
​@@ta_pegandofogo that's debatable. The string gauge can affect your playing style a lot, which will affect your tone. If you use lighter strings, you tend to not play very aggressively. Heavy gauge strings will make you play aggressively. I went from .09-.42 gauge to .11-.58, it has changed my entire playing style. If I go back to lighter strings I tend to break them within an hour😂
@echoguitarist
@echoguitarist 4 жыл бұрын
You know, I used to care about stuff like this. I used to analyze every little thing. String gauge, brands of tubes, picks, saddles, bone nut vs blah blah blah. My advice? Find a string that feels and sounds good to you. Find a pick that feels good between your fingers and has the right amount of give etc. Don't overthink it! Use the time you'd be wasting on obsessing over the tiniest details on becoming a better player and a better songwriter. Honestly, nobody can tell the difference between your string size, they ONLY care if you are playing a song that they want to hear.
@jpoprock
@jpoprock 4 жыл бұрын
I feel the same exact way. I used to drive my band mates crazy with constantly buying and selling amps. I was never satisfied and had some really nice heads! I’d also go from pedals to pedalboards then back to pedals. I hated most all of it! Lol. The amp head I kept the longest was a Marshall JCM 2000. I was constantly chasing gone and all the gadgets. But now? Give me a good semi-crunchy gain, a tuner, and a delay pedal and I’m good. I think I simply had a bad case of GAS back then for sure! Regarding strings... Back in the day it was 10’s all the time, but now I use 9’s. I used to use Boomers but now I use Ernie Ball and I’m not sure that even matters really. Thanks Rick great video!!
@key.server_up
@key.server_up 4 жыл бұрын
I completely igree Especially in music I believe that the approach of what is better or what and worse is not appropriate ... It is evident that each type of string has its own characteristics, are well audible and distinguishable, in my opinion they are not better or worse but each one has the its own characteristic and it is up to you to exploit these unique and proprietary prerogatives, it is you who can use them for what you need and for what you want to achieve, sooner or later another ... Greetings and good experience to all !!.
@eyeh8u1
@eyeh8u1 4 жыл бұрын
@@jpoprock I agree too. I was the same for many years. And then it suddenly dawned on me, the audience doesn't give a flying fuck if your playing through a tube amp or solid state. Does it sound good? Then use it. Don't over think it.
@binosworld3896
@binosworld3896 4 жыл бұрын
Lighter gauge is the best for me but it breaks so easily :(
@MikaRafelloGuitar
@MikaRafelloGuitar 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I wanted to comment that. Because string and pick gauge is your preference
@joelshields8807
@joelshields8807 Жыл бұрын
Would like to hear this with single coil guitars (and a clean/crunch comparison). Wonder if the highs might get too harsh with the lighter strings. For an LP through a Marshall, the 9s do sound darn near ideal and sound like they'd slice right through the mix.
@timnewman1172
@timnewman1172 Ай бұрын
Play a Strat thru a Princeton then talk to me... Lighter strings might be great for distorted humbuckers, but not clean single coils!
@MrP23LO1
@MrP23LO1 3 жыл бұрын
For me, this is the real String Theory.
@jack002tuber
@jack002tuber 3 жыл бұрын
@@tophertaylor69 "No I am not crazy, my mother had me tested"
@Slab_City_or_Bust
@Slab_City_or_Bust 3 жыл бұрын
😄😄😄
@jeffhoward162
@jeffhoward162 3 жыл бұрын
Technically correct. The other string theory is entirely hypothetical.
@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger
@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger 3 жыл бұрын
😝 machismo doesn’t mean 11’s
@MrP23LO1
@MrP23LO1 3 жыл бұрын
@@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger Only if you using Spinal Tap reference 🤣
@willgoodall6104
@willgoodall6104 3 жыл бұрын
Please repeat this test with a clean setting on the amp and single coils.
@rossomyman
@rossomyman 3 жыл бұрын
Clean tones matter!
@willgoodall6104
@willgoodall6104 3 жыл бұрын
@@rossomyman They do to me too Ross. I might use a little bit of crunch but that only comes from a Headstrong Lil' King S turned up to a point where it sings. Even then most people I see posting things online would not regard it as crunch. I almost always use single coils for the material I play.
@tylersullivan450
@tylersullivan450 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I had nines on my telecaster because they came on it when I picked it up and they just didn't sound right for clean tones, very poppy and weak. This demo is kind of silly because they're using a Les Paul through an overdriven Marshall half stack. The tonal difference is noticeable, but I think a better way of doing this would have been to have at least the guitar direct to the amp with a clean tone. Light strings may be good for this situation, but it's just not a good way to test this overall.
@builderman912
@builderman912 3 жыл бұрын
Couldnt agree more....wth Rick???
@autistichead8137
@autistichead8137 3 жыл бұрын
All I was thinking the whole time
@IamMagPie
@IamMagPie 3 жыл бұрын
Paul McCartney when asked what kind of strings he use: "long, shiny ones".
@fillhixx
@fillhixx 3 жыл бұрын
What would you expect from a bass player? for them it's in tune when the peg heads all line up.....
@esl4058
@esl4058 3 жыл бұрын
Bass players change strings with every other presidential election.
@stevewest4994
@stevewest4994 3 жыл бұрын
@@fillhixx Quote from my bass player: "Well I'm sure it was in tune when I bought it."
@jasonmachula1472
@jasonmachula1472 3 жыл бұрын
".....and he was known for his shredding to." -- Abraham Lincoln
@vicferrari89
@vicferrari89 3 жыл бұрын
When Billy Gibbons asked, "what gage strings do you use" to BB King, he said "8's". Billy said, "But how do you get that big fat sound, I use 11's" and BB replied "you're working tooo hard".
@menamestom
@menamestom Жыл бұрын
From a sound perspective big strings make more sense on single coil guitars, especially with styles with more single note stuff. It’s fairly well known humbuckers can sound a bit bloated, especially with gain, so makes sense bigger strings don’t sit as well in a mix. Would like to see how the SRV effect works with different string gauges on a strat.
@Grindstaff09
@Grindstaff09 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for mentioning sound, ears, and single coils. Shocked how so many are jumping on the 8s bandwagon. Ok, I'm the one who mentioned ears. We need another one on how the audience can't tell about one's _______ in the signal chain. Let's all move to piezo pickups next.
@bojackhorseman5367
@bojackhorseman5367 2 ай бұрын
Yep - I'm not denying that the lighter strings sounded better in this video with the gear they used and the style they were playing in. But if they had done this comparison with a rickenbacker into a twin reverb you'd probably find most people preferring 11s or higher...
@jr_dino82
@jr_dino82 4 жыл бұрын
My takeaway: I need more guitars. Each model strung with 4 different guages. 4 strats, 4lps, 4 teles etc.
@bboyekos
@bboyekos 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed lol
@beersnarkunbleached5660
@beersnarkunbleached5660 4 жыл бұрын
This comment hurt my wallet and its ego
@conradzxy
@conradzxy 4 жыл бұрын
I agree! Heading to the guitar store now.
@johnharvey4448
@johnharvey4448 4 жыл бұрын
4 x 3 = 12 electric guitars, without the etc.
@JackT-aux
@JackT-aux 4 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@TheMadGav
@TheMadGav 4 жыл бұрын
My girlfriend said it doesnt matter. Then dumped me for a guy with size 13 strings *lowers head in shame, kicks sand
@davidbrown2806
@davidbrown2806 4 жыл бұрын
Big hands ..... lol
@gutenbird
@gutenbird 3 жыл бұрын
I actually laughed when you said size 13.
@slickrockcreek1
@slickrockcreek1 3 жыл бұрын
Ok THAT's funny.........
@metaloutlander
@metaloutlander 3 жыл бұрын
He must have a big pick.
@jhglaze
@jhglaze 3 жыл бұрын
Well tell her there’s always a girl around who likes the groove you lay down with 8’s. After all what good are 13’s if you got no groove with it. Lol
@TomoFujitaMusic
@TomoFujitaMusic 4 жыл бұрын
I am learning!! Amazing!!
@hadeskay6091
@hadeskay6091 4 жыл бұрын
Tomo is Here?! Holy smokes!
@bewusstsein3527
@bewusstsein3527 4 жыл бұрын
Tomo is humble.. its not a surprise..
@TomoFujitaMusic
@TomoFujitaMusic 4 жыл бұрын
@@massive_walnut4602 Thank you!
@asashwani
@asashwani 4 жыл бұрын
Rick's amazing tomo sensei is amazing.. I feel great..
@roberto3262
@roberto3262 4 жыл бұрын
You can never know too much 👍 You have a great channel Tomo! ✌
@murraytaylor3412
@murraytaylor3412 11 ай бұрын
Would be great to see the frequency analysis of these recordings so you could see exactly which frequencies change with the strings.
@SamlSchulze1104
@SamlSchulze1104 10 ай бұрын
They probably made that content into a patreon video.
@kamalmanzukie
@kamalmanzukie 10 ай бұрын
you can just do that yourself too
@nuisanceguru
@nuisanceguru 10 ай бұрын
ok let me just buy every string set available
@kharos.
@kharos. 10 ай бұрын
​@@nuisanceguruyou can do it with the video's audio
@sugarray8212
@sugarray8212 8 күн бұрын
I thought they were going to do this as an objective test vs subjective
@ashen11x22
@ashen11x22 4 жыл бұрын
You can EQ and tweak your tone. You can’t EQ out tendinitis.
@ThePickledOnions
@ThePickledOnions 4 жыл бұрын
hahaha
@t3hgir
@t3hgir 4 жыл бұрын
I always used 9s and just assumed 8s would be too slinky. 8s are amazing!!
@MichaelVeillette
@MichaelVeillette 4 жыл бұрын
Exactement! Bien dit Philippe! 😂🤙
@gabrielbeginlarocque653
@gabrielbeginlarocque653 4 жыл бұрын
C'est parfait comme commentaire haha!
@alansmith7626
@alansmith7626 4 жыл бұрын
or arthritis! Jus keep breathing....lol
@19501960
@19501960 4 жыл бұрын
Guys, you need to do this on clean amp settings. When I moved from rock to backing cabaret, thats when you realise you were playing on elastic bands, with those light gauge strings. That kinda work is when you hear the tone changes of string thickness.
@c.p.1589
@c.p.1589 2 жыл бұрын
What I learned: These four guys like light strings on a Les Paul through a heavy distorted Marshall. What I know: I prefer 11 gauge flatwounds on my Jazzmaster through my Space Echo into my Super Reverb. I'm not wrong. Neither are they.
@loontil
@loontil 2 жыл бұрын
maybe you've got the wrong ears... ...only kidding, don't sputter in rage...
@c.p.1589
@c.p.1589 2 жыл бұрын
@@loontil Que?
@HoneydewOz
@HoneydewOz 2 жыл бұрын
Jazzmasters actually have problems with lighter gauge strings, they were designed with 11s or 12s in mind. I had huge troubles with mine then i chucked 11s on it, and boom. No issues
@RicCrouch
@RicCrouch 2 жыл бұрын
@@doyourownresearch7297 More.
@brightman232
@brightman232 2 жыл бұрын
So yesterday i bought a 11 flatwounds, but i realised that 11's are too heavy for my guitar to the point my bridge was hovering really bad and eventually two strings snapped while i was trying to tune it back after adjusting it
@evliyaarslan
@evliyaarslan 11 ай бұрын
You are scientists of sound. I am really thankful for your experience to reveal and criticize each one of examples .I appreciative.
@jotapedonoso4696
@jotapedonoso4696 4 жыл бұрын
For me, the biggest pleasure is going from months on 11s, and then, when your fingers are all hard and harsh, go back to the 9s, and is like going back to elementary school after having been in university
@EnvyOw
@EnvyOw 3 жыл бұрын
haha
@drbadzer
@drbadzer 3 жыл бұрын
I do something similar by playing on my acoustic guitar for weeks then switching to electric
@Charlieboy2680
@Charlieboy2680 3 жыл бұрын
I know how that feels, I spent 15 years playing a acoustic. I bought a electric guitar recently and it had 9's. What!! Heaven! I knew it would pay off banging out those bar chords on the acoustic first!
@mikekopmanis2099
@mikekopmanis2099 3 жыл бұрын
Billy Gibbons said, why are you fighting yourself? I used to play 10's but I think !y sound is better with 9's and they're easier to play.
@c.varela
@c.varela 3 жыл бұрын
After trying a lot of gauges from 8 to 11, I ended up picking 10-46 (I prefer it coated) as a "definitive" gauge. Honestly, since I'm not a professional player, I just tried to find a balance between comfort and durability. The sets of 9 were a little more comfortable, but I used to break strings much more often - so I found a balance on 10-46. And when I tune it on Eb (sometimes I do it), it plays like butter. Oh, I'm a Tele/Strat "fanboy" (Tele is my favorite), so there's a little more tension on it than on Les Paul, PRS et cetera.
@AlanCath
@AlanCath 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to have heard this whole experiment done with a clean tone instead of a dirty one. Don't you think it would be easier to discern tonal differences in string behavior without all that distortion?
@toddgreenwood9631
@toddgreenwood9631 4 жыл бұрын
Yesof course. There is different characteristcs to the gauges. Light strings can be fun. Ive never had much luck with light gauges. 10s are light enough for me. 9s break and cause more mistakes after a few beer.
@aheendwhz1
@aheendwhz1 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear it with acoustic guitars! I have the impression that thicker strings sound so damn much richer, fuller and better on acoustic guitars...
@queenpurple8433
@queenpurple8433 4 жыл бұрын
I think hearing it through distortion is helpful
@Sharpened_Spoon
@Sharpened_Spoon 4 жыл бұрын
I believe Andertons did a pretty comprehensive test with string gauge including clean tones.
@toddwilliamson2651
@toddwilliamson2651 4 жыл бұрын
​@@Sharpened_Spoon Lets not forget this Beato guy thinks Chevelle is more important in rock history than Deep Purple.
@jeffreytackett3922
@jeffreytackett3922 4 жыл бұрын
It's amazing, to me, to hear someone say that they didn't think there would be that much of a difference. Most guitar players will tell you that they believe that the type of wood used in an electric guitar will "dramatically change the sound". Some will even tell you that the type of finish (poly vs lacquer, for instance) will change the sound. These same people are shocked that the size of strings has a significant effect.
@dogboy0912
@dogboy0912 4 жыл бұрын
I have resolved to never get in the weeds with guitar tone because it all comes secondary to actually playing.
@wepipe
@wepipe 4 жыл бұрын
exactly , oh, i derrr, did'nt expect it to be such a difference derrrrrr. Wanker !!!!!
@major7thsharp11
@major7thsharp11 4 жыл бұрын
@Neuro Demonio I mean, the picks literally do change the sound.
@jansabarth9466
@jansabarth9466 4 жыл бұрын
Guitarists hear a lot, as a mixing/mastering engineer you shouldn't listen too much to what of guitarists hear...
@williamb4652
@williamb4652 4 жыл бұрын
Rodney McMinge As a somewhat sloppy drummer, I completely agree agree with this. If the drum tone is right for the room I am less sloppy, if they sound bad in the room it puts me on edge and I,get even sloppier
@Ironbrood4426
@Ironbrood4426 Жыл бұрын
What I would want to hear is not just standard tuning, but also Eb, D standard, and C# standard. Not just for the tone, but how well the tension remains as the strings are loosened up.
@APMTenants
@APMTenants 4 ай бұрын
If I put 9s on a Les Paul, I have to tune UP one entire step just to get the tension right. 9s on a strat feel like 10s on a Les Paul. And even 10s on a Les Paul feel light to me. How these guys are playing 8s in standard tuning is baffling to me. My intonation would be total trash if I did that.
@scottashe984
@scottashe984 2 ай бұрын
​@@APMTenantsYou could intonate your guitar to your new string gauge. Your intonation should be expected to be off when using different gauges..
@APMTenants
@APMTenants 2 ай бұрын
@@scottashe984 I mean my playing intonation, not the intonation of the strings. When the gauge is too light, the notes are pulled sharp because my touch is too heavy for very light strings.
@darrylcalder
@darrylcalder 2 жыл бұрын
I've never played thicker strings for tone. I've played them for tuning stability & intonation for high energy events like performances.
@mjbrooks67
@mjbrooks67 2 жыл бұрын
a lot of people are tone deaf, I seen some kids with reallly nice American guitars playing with super duper slinkys, OMG! Sounded like a $100 guitar lol.
@Nightwing690
@Nightwing690 Жыл бұрын
Same, I play heavier gauge because my hands have gotten so much stronger from playing almost 7 days a week I literally can't not snap a high e or b string playing 9's
@evil1st
@evil1st Жыл бұрын
I tried 8 gauge once and had trouble fretting the high E because it was so thin. Sometimes I couldnt even see the string. Its like a strand of hair. I also tried 12 gauge and felt like it was going to snap my guitar from all the tension in standard. I think this is why 10s and 9s became standard because they are in between too thin and too thick. I switched from normal to hybrid though because it has normal gauge on top and thinner on bottom. Best of both worlds I guess.
@seancastle3998
@seancastle3998 Жыл бұрын
​@@evil1styeah thicker than "normal" gauges cause more problems than light strings can. Increasing tension is not going to help any mechanical system resisting that tension, particularly when one end is just wound around a post. Whoever said a rubber band would be more durable under *more* tension?
@mccoy4354
@mccoy4354 Жыл бұрын
The question they were trying to answer in the video was wrong, it’s not about which strings are best. It is what situation you’re using them in. An 8 in Drop D or C would be horrible. 9 and 10 give you a lot of flexibility for Standard and drop tunings and stay in tune.
@earlbrackett6508
@earlbrackett6508 4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that s Strat/single coils weren't part of the experiment, especially with SRV being evoked throughout.
@mikelrodriguez4610
@mikelrodriguez4610 4 жыл бұрын
You are right! and Strat scale size is larger, so it also influences on the string tension. Also I think there was much distortion in the amp to test the complete harmonic range.
@danielwhitaker5445
@danielwhitaker5445 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto - As much as I did enjoy and glean from this, Strat/single would have been even more awesome... And perhaps even more distinct?.. But again, really cool vid -
@tendulkarification
@tendulkarification 3 жыл бұрын
The problem with the strat would be that they would have to adjust the tremolo a couple times during string change because trem especially floating has tendency to move little when changed from a higher gauge string to lower
@Relayer6a
@Relayer6a 3 жыл бұрын
@@tendulkarification That's true. Actually setup changes with string size on any guitar. But for the purpose of the vid, this was good enough. And which guitar that's used isn't important as long as you can hear the differences.
@mcd5778
@mcd5778 3 жыл бұрын
@@tendulkarification just use one with a wood block in there
@joeywho534
@joeywho534 4 жыл бұрын
This is the most guitar nerd conversation ever I was glued
@brettleisy356
@brettleisy356 Жыл бұрын
what I heard was the texture become more defined with the thinner strings. to put a visual representation to it, the thicker strings sounded more like heavy hills with little variation from peaks and valleys. the thinner strings you can see that it wasnt just hills and valleys but the trees and creeks running through mountains and canyons. another visual representation is thick strings = 480x320 resolution thin strings get higher in resolution eventually hitting 1080P.
@georgew.morrowiii118
@georgew.morrowiii118 4 жыл бұрын
I have been playing with 10 gauge for 35yrs - 11 gauge feel stiff and unyielding - 9 gauge feel loose and sloppy...
@aleji0
@aleji0 4 жыл бұрын
100%
@alsacrime4806
@alsacrime4806 4 жыл бұрын
This is why tens are so good. They feel and sound normal and they have some pushback or fight. Great comment.
@icebough4191
@icebough4191 4 жыл бұрын
George Morrow agree lol
@StringTension
@StringTension 4 жыл бұрын
I think it really depends on what you're used to. I used 9's on a LP for 10 years and loved them, I use 11's now for about a year and both 10;s and 9's feel sloppy to me now, since I'm used to the 11's.
@sammyrothrock6981
@sammyrothrock6981 4 жыл бұрын
I agree George, 10s are perfect been playing for over 47 years
@a.j.garrett9639
@a.j.garrett9639 4 жыл бұрын
I hear a lot of requests for the same test on a strat into a clean amp
@Elraurko
@Elraurko 4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with the clean strat, they literally chose the worst setup they could for this test.
@shyshift
@shyshift 4 жыл бұрын
Lead Guitar Solos?
@MiguelLumberto
@MiguelLumberto 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, clean Strat and some single note stuff please!
@soulSaysHi
@soulSaysHi 4 жыл бұрын
Better yet, a CRANKED Blackface ala SRV
@kyleolin3566
@kyleolin3566 4 жыл бұрын
raurke george While I agree that they should do a single coil/clean amp (maybe some overdrive), I don’t believe this was a bad test. They were talking about muddy ness in the mix, and with 11’s, that setup was muddy. Putting 9’s on really cleaned up the bottom end and gave a little midrange punch. I thought this test was great!
@gnutscha
@gnutscha 4 жыл бұрын
plot twist: Ernie Ball has way to many 8s in stock and wants to get rid of them.
@SuperBromberg
@SuperBromberg 4 жыл бұрын
absolutely so!
@wolverine3344
@wolverine3344 4 жыл бұрын
That’s some funny stuff. Everyone loves seeing the game behind a conspiracy and manipulation of perception.
@bobtimusprime4005
@bobtimusprime4005 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah... Ernie Ball is the ONLY string manufacturer.
@oliviermalhomme9923
@oliviermalhomme9923 4 жыл бұрын
Well I knew Billy Gibbons uses 8s.... I just learnt about Hendrix, Holdsworth, Page, Beck and even about 7,5 !!!
@DennisTeti
@DennisTeti 4 жыл бұрын
gnutscha 🤣🤣🤣
@MIRODOCTORMUSIC
@MIRODOCTORMUSIC 5 ай бұрын
hey very interesting comparaison. i personally use gibson. les paul in 8 ernie bal titanium. also. and for my gretsch i ve been trying many things. in 10 52. or 11. but i came back to. for confort play and precision. recording. more funky and less solo jazz. in 9 46 for it and for my surfcaster. charvel. in 9 46 also. for all it s ok. but my custom shop. gretsch 6120 sigend stephen stern relics. is very subtle and my bends and playing is better in 9 46 even if everybody says it a pitty to be not more tight 11 OR 10 mimimum they say what do you think about it?
@dingdong6069
@dingdong6069 4 жыл бұрын
Loving this vid because as a teenager back in the 80's I did this EXACT same very test with some cash I got for my birthday! So I could afford to splash out on 4 sets of strings. Back then all we had were interviews in the guitar magazines and some players said use lighter yet some said use heavier. But the guitar reviewers and journalists all said use MUCH heavier as they all swore blind that the lights were all tone killers. However, buy a brand new guitar back then and it usually (not always) came with a set of 010 -046's as standard. So I admit I was confused. So, as I has some spare pennies, I simply tried my guitar with 008's then my usual 009's then 010's then 011's. Just to compound and complicate confusion further the brand new fashionable 'rage' back then were the new Hybrid 009 - 0046's so I mixed and matched the 9's and 10's to get to try those too. Like Rick & Co I simply recorded the same riff on the same amp into my Tascam 4-Track (oh those were the days) but the conclusion was.... drum roll... exactly as these guys find here. Exact same. So because of the sound and feel I've personally used Ernie Ball 009 -042's since that day. Cos I like them and they sound great. I've had numerous other players and guitar techs and other guys I've toured or jammed with say "Nah... you don't want 9's way too light" and I've always been "Soz but you're wrong. 8's or 9's sound best but at the end of the day just choose the ones you prefer the feel of.... but.... I've tried them all back to back and the lighter are best." I still stick to that over 30 years later.
@IrishBog
@IrishBog 4 жыл бұрын
ding dong Great post. I have always just defaulted to 10s and never considered anything else. But recently got a vintage strat that came with 11s and it’s been quite interesting. Like digging into the guitar more
@dingdong6069
@dingdong6069 4 жыл бұрын
@@IrishBog Thanks. That's exactly it. I use solely 9's yet you use 10's and now dabble with 11's and that's all good. Who's right? BOTH of us! The thing I just want to see going away is the countless interviews, reviews, blogs, advice columns etc.. etc... that mistakenly believe and state lighter gauges are tone killers. It's a lie. I appreciate the authors to be fair thought they were telling the truth and being helpful and accurate but it needs to be debunked or de-mythed or whatever.
@SlimRhyno
@SlimRhyno 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for keeping the riffs simple AND consistent! It still blows my mind how many "tone tests" or whatever are done by admittedly very talented musicians who seemingly refuse to not prove how amazing they are with every beat. There are plenty of opportunities for that, but an objective aural comparison is not one of them. Anywho, I'm down off my high horse. It's just one more reminder of why I adore your channel.
@Demiglitch
@Demiglitch Жыл бұрын
While I do agree with you, I also think they don't realise it, haha. They just get into a groove and do things.
@SlimRhyno
@SlimRhyno Жыл бұрын
@@Demiglitch You know what, that is totally fair. Now I kinda feel bad for not thinking of it 😄! Also, your screen name is awesome!
@Atais_UKBM
@Atais_UKBM Жыл бұрын
@@SlimRhynono no they’re still self involved arseholes most of the time, online shredders have diluted what solos and insane technical ability used to mean, would rather just listen to rhythm guitars all the time now
@oggabob
@oggabob 11 ай бұрын
Distortion really did not help with demoing the sounds though
@oggabob
@oggabob 11 ай бұрын
Distortion really did not help with demoing the sounds though
@EQU143
@EQU143 4 жыл бұрын
"Lets try to hear the minor differences between the different thickness of metal strings attached to a piece of wood" - *starts blasting powerchords with distortion*........
@chadjohnson-authormusician8072
@chadjohnson-authormusician8072 4 жыл бұрын
Even so ... the difference is palpable.
@fenderdude0bob109
@fenderdude0bob109 4 жыл бұрын
@@chadjohnson-authormusician8072 Hey Chad! I'm a fan of yours. Chops Builder helped me years ago.
@chadjohnson-authormusician8072
@chadjohnson-authormusician8072 4 жыл бұрын
@@fenderdude0bob109 Thanks! I'm glad the book helped!
@norlanderduwallis9074
@norlanderduwallis9074 4 жыл бұрын
@@chadjohnson-authormusician8072 these two comments were really nice to read
@Babs42
@Babs42 4 жыл бұрын
Cleans are overrated ;). Metal forever.
@GuitarFuel
@GuitarFuel Жыл бұрын
Great video! Played 10's for a few years when I was learning ...then once I gave 9's a try and never went back, I play a lot of leads so 9's are perfect and tight...wish more people would watch this video and understand the difference and not only hear the difference!
@221b-l3t
@221b-l3t 8 ай бұрын
I always played 9s and now went to 8s for standard tuning, 9s for Eb and you should try it! I love doing a melody just with bends alone, I can do two full steps and if you have good pitch you can do all sorts of cool stuff. I do find 9s better for shredding a bit more résistance when alternative picking at speed, the 8s oscillate so much you can miss it with the pick but getting used to it. And the lighter touch you develop on the left hand (R handed player) helps you not cro up as much.
@laranjiinha77
@laranjiinha77 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. It would be interesting to make the same experiment but with a clean amp, clean sound, and see which string gauge would be the best in this context.
@jamesadams5036
@jamesadams5036 2 жыл бұрын
so would i.
@LouisEmerson
@LouisEmerson 2 жыл бұрын
Listen to B B King, infamous for light strings.
@LouisEmerson
@LouisEmerson 2 жыл бұрын
Another suggestion, the album Deguello
@imoffendedthatyouareoffended
@imoffendedthatyouareoffended 2 жыл бұрын
Just look up how much does strings affect tone. There’s a guy who did an in depth video testing all the variables and basically they all sounded identical. The only difference really was if it was a hex core or a flat core if I remember correctly.
@jtoker9758
@jtoker9758 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention playing the same notes.
@blakestone75
@blakestone75 4 жыл бұрын
I like how this whole video is like just a group of dudes. Hanging out. Playing sweet licks into a high gain Marshall in a pro studio. You know. As you do.
@derekjackson1039
@derekjackson1039 4 жыл бұрын
blakestone75 yay man let’s see what different strings sound like 😂😂😂
@findJLF
@findJLF 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, this is the stuff dudes should do.
@SC4211
@SC4211 4 жыл бұрын
Man, I need some buds near me to do this with, too. I'll bring the Randall. Everyone needs a Randall!
@trillrifaxegrindor4411
@trillrifaxegrindor4411 4 жыл бұрын
@@SC4211 ill bring the boogie or the super sonic or the home made tube amp
@Gelon01
@Gelon01 4 жыл бұрын
Sweet licks??? There were none. Metal rhythm and not a solo in sight. They only used half the strings. So whether 8's or 11's is of no consequence. None of the three touched the upper strings. Extremely poor.
@somegingerdude8110
@somegingerdude8110 4 жыл бұрын
Personally I think feel is more important than tone when it comes to strings.
@Dailybassist1
@Dailybassist1 4 жыл бұрын
SomeGingerDude Agreed if the guitar is uncomfortable To play then tone goes out the window because the added struggle causes stumbles due to hand cramping and awkward conformity to the guitar. I’m a lefty and I choose to not use a inverted right handed guitar because the controls get in the way and ruin the playability.
@joedoherty1062
@joedoherty1062 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree, when I was a beginner I was using super slinkies and always felt like I was fighting my guitar because of the floppiness. Went up to 10s and I'll never go back
@isaiahgonzales6193
@isaiahgonzales6193 4 жыл бұрын
100%
@ObscuredByCloud
@ObscuredByCloud 4 жыл бұрын
I agree man, my strings left me after 3 yrs of being together....them feels bro
@SJMike1960
@SJMike1960 4 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. I have 11s on my strat. It's tuned to standard pitch and the 11s just feel right to me. Just a little bit of fight to them.
@casualslacksband
@casualslacksband Жыл бұрын
I expected this to be played with a clean tone. I get that any differences can be noted regardless of the tone type, but always prefer comparisons to start with clean as the base line. It is best for clarity.
@johncunningham4820
@johncunningham4820 11 ай бұрын
All Equal . Bridge Pickup , All Knobs set to 10 , Same Guitar and Amp and Mic's and Cab and Throughput . ONLY Variable was String Gauge , from the Same Manufacturer and Series . And the Lighter Gauge's were cleaner . THAT was the whole POINT to the comparison . To see if that was what would happen . And it DID .
@bravingbrivatebrian
@bravingbrivatebrian 11 ай бұрын
Imo the biggest difference is gonna be playing lead on the high strings so thats what I was hoping to hear
@KozmykJ
@KozmykJ 4 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for the test to extend to a less distorted tone. I'd also be interested in hearing such a test with a Strat as well. Still an interesting investigation though. Me. I'm an old bass player who likes to dabble on thin stringers. It would take a lot for me to loosen my grip. I bent 9s out of shape without feeling the strain. I landed on 10s as a gauge I could play, bend and not squeeze out of tune. I was looking to try 11s on one of my 24.75" guitars, just to tighten them up a little. Typical of me to be going in the opposite direction 😜
@ryancrawford4639
@ryancrawford4639 4 жыл бұрын
Yes please do follow up videos with different types of guitars!
@PhilB61
@PhilB61 4 жыл бұрын
I agree...almost impossible to tell if there's much of a tone difference when there's a ton of distortion. Play them clean through an amp with a lot of clean headroom, so we can actually hear.
@coltbaker7812
@coltbaker7812 4 жыл бұрын
@@PhilB61 I watch this with ANC headphones on, much more discernible differences with headphones than without. That being said I do agree, clean or alternative tones and different guitars would really knock this out of the park.
@cappy781
@cappy781 4 жыл бұрын
Dude im with ya lol. Im a hard hitter and grip down like a vice grip i also cant do low action. I just play like that when im in the zone. I did 9s once and was like this is gona break lmao
@byerh
@byerh 4 жыл бұрын
Yes - Strat has a longer scale length
@RyanDB
@RyanDB 4 жыл бұрын
This is a nit pick, I suppose, but, thinking about the physics of it, I don't think it's accurate to say that the lighter strings have less bass. It would be better to say that the heavier strings have less treble. Your ear hears the relative proportions, so it's effectively the same thing, but I think it's useful to actually think *why* it's happening, to avoid just passing on "wisdom" which doesn't pan out. Heavier strings have more inertia, meaning it's more difficult for them to vibrate at high frequencies (so you lose some high-end), but they have more energy overall (so you get longer sustain). It's the same reason you want as light a membrane as possible on a speaker - to be able to accurately reproduce the highs, and while staying responsive. Exact same physics going on
@whitetigress69
@whitetigress69 4 жыл бұрын
The heavier strings sound like they can't breathe, not compressed, like they're being denied to stretch & be clear. Almost fizzy. I've tried heavier bottom & they're not great for chugging in standard tuning imho.
@Kysplzzz
@Kysplzzz 4 жыл бұрын
"It's not an Eb it's more of a D#"
@m7alan7johnson7
@m7alan7johnson7 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kysplzzz love it
@mufudzimaposa
@mufudzimaposa 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the reasoning. Heavier strings have more inertia, they would require more energy or more power in strumming to result in a similar sound to the lighter strings. I think it all comes down to how you play, and to a good extent, what genre you are playing. I think...
@RyanDB
@RyanDB 4 жыл бұрын
@@mufudzimaposa thinking about it more, I also think that dispersion might play a roll. Waaaay too nerdy to get into how it works, but suffice to say that it would cause slightly muddier bass and a significant reduction in treble response
@Fender5621
@Fender5621 4 жыл бұрын
Great test. But like others I would like to hear some cleans and single coils.
@philipatoz
@philipatoz 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! I kind of figured as soon as he pulled out the LP and the Marshall cabinet that they were just going to compare overdriven stuff. When I was a young guy, I started out putting .008s on my Strat - which are crazy easy to play and bend - but I seemed to relentlessly break strings on the 1 and 2! I like .009s - not certain that the .010s give much more bottom end or tone. I guess when you are used to playing acoustics with .012s, you think you need that on electric. You don't!
@timnewman1172
@timnewman1172 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, anybody can turn the gain up with a bunch of distorion but it gives you very little indication of what the guitar actually sounds like. Lighter strings may be easier to play, but they are harder to intonate, keep in tune, and sound bright & "tinky"... A real test would be playing a Strat or Telecaster thru a Princeton or a blackface Deluxe with out any pedals, I think the results would be quite different!
@ymelfilm
@ymelfilm 4 жыл бұрын
@@timnewman1172 yes, Rick's test is controversial. For me really makes no sense,moreover I cant hear differences, I would choose the one which is the best for my hand and to play.
@StratMatt777
@StratMatt777 4 жыл бұрын
@@ymelfilm You probably need studio monitors or good headphones to hear the difference. (Except for the back-to-back 8s to 11s, which you can probably hear, depending upon how bad your speakers are). Rick: Yes, a strat clean with 9s vs 10s vs 11s would be plenty, and maybe some lead playing half-way up the neck or more? This was a great test for distortion though! I wouldn't have expected for it to have mattered so much with distortion.
@CRUNCHCOLE
@CRUNCHCOLE 4 жыл бұрын
@@timnewman1172 on the other hand I could say 10s or 11s sound muffled compared to 9s. It's what you get used to and your amp settings
@damiandustin1437
@damiandustin1437 3 күн бұрын
As a guitarist, I love that you did this comparison. As a producer, I love that you did this comparison. It just confirms what my ears have been telling me forever. I was never a big fan of 10’s, though I do like 11’s for certainty things. Overall though, 9’s have always sounded more balanced across the strings. It’s just a “creamier” sound imo, and very musical. Those 8’s sound like they can be very expressive as well. Good bunch of honest dudes in this vid. Cheers all 🍻 Subscribed.
@philmagallanes3850
@philmagallanes3850 4 жыл бұрын
Can you please do the same comparison with clean tones, on a 25.5" scale Fender-type guitar with single coil pickups?
@guitarjonn7103
@guitarjonn7103 4 жыл бұрын
Am about to make the same request, Phil. Maybe we will get lucky.
@GuitarQueero1
@GuitarQueero1 4 жыл бұрын
That Pedal Show has done something similar if you want to check out their video.
@guitarjonn7103
@guitarjonn7103 4 жыл бұрын
@@GuitarQueero1 Thanks, will do that.
@BroockPhilipp
@BroockPhilipp 4 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid to spoil it, but thinner strings would definitely sound better on strat.
@Brotelho
@Brotelho 4 жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing. Maybe also in a different genre? Like jazz or something.
@TaylorMorgeson
@TaylorMorgeson 4 жыл бұрын
I like 9s, they feel right. 10s and above are uncomfortable to bend, 8s sound thin to me. Love hearing these guys talk though.
@aryinc
@aryinc 4 жыл бұрын
10, never went back. 9's play like water to me.
@aryinc
@aryinc 4 жыл бұрын
@@shitmandood neither from 10's. 10's give some balls to the tone and wont go out of tune quick. the change from 9's to 10's was a "aha" moment for me. 10's gave me enough beef and low end. 9/8's maybe good for warming up, but for a balsy metal tone, don't go below 10.
@rockwriter9054
@rockwriter9054 4 жыл бұрын
Yes they like hearing them self's
@justinharnett2443
@justinharnett2443 4 жыл бұрын
11's - @11:52 10's - @12:09 9's - @12:26 8's - @12:43
@HolyCanoley
@HolyCanoley 4 жыл бұрын
11's sound a little different...the rest sound essentially the same to me. I feel like they're splitting hairs here.
@AlanShortySwanson
@AlanShortySwanson 4 жыл бұрын
absolute hero
@justinharnett2443
@justinharnett2443 4 жыл бұрын
@El Salvador ty ty.. ;)
@gentlemenbecoming3252
@gentlemenbecoming3252 4 жыл бұрын
Love you for this, Justin
@call_me_stan5887
@call_me_stan5887 4 жыл бұрын
@@HolyCanoley you can definitely hear the difference if you switch to 8s right from 11s. But 11s sound muddy here with distortion. I'd love to hear cleaner sound comparison.
@jnnyg65
@jnnyg65 2 ай бұрын
@rickbeato 2:27 pretty sure SRV was trying his best to mimic Jimi Hendrix custom string guage set up. Jimi used .010 .013 .015p .025 .032 .038 and tuned to Eb. But Stevie wasn't Jimi so his guitar tech Rene Martinez created a custom set of strings to fit his gear and playing style .013 .015 .019p .028 .038 .058. You'll notice that SRV didn't play a wound third (can you imagine playing those licks with a wound third? You'd need fingers like Thor). He also kept his action higher which enabled his strings to vibrate fully and ring out for as long as possible.
@ScrapwoodCity
@ScrapwoodCity 4 жыл бұрын
OK, but how about the clean channel?
@rfilianogmailcom
@rfilianogmailcom 4 жыл бұрын
That is the real test!
@mwarnken1234
@mwarnken1234 4 жыл бұрын
agreed, also a variety of approaches like some lead and more or less aggressive pick dynamics would be interesting to hear too...
@loveless666snow
@loveless666snow 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that wasn't a good test
@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121
@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121 4 жыл бұрын
That was the thing. The test was very one dimensional. With high gain rythim guitar you may want this but what about the many other ways in which we play guitar? Lead guitar may really need a bit heavier gauge and clean tones may sound less wobbly but we did even get to see it
@chezuchadnezzar7429
@chezuchadnezzar7429 4 жыл бұрын
i gave lighter strings a try recently i think i used 10's and 9's but i cant wait to stick on these ernie ball 11's i have, i think sounds tighter harder to bend it gives better resonance
@amitlavon1647
@amitlavon1647 4 жыл бұрын
The difference in sound is so minuscule that I think it's more about how it *feels* on your fingers, and what gives the best response to your own playing style.
@Cyclobomber
@Cyclobomber 4 жыл бұрын
Also the 11 set sounds thicker and indded beefier, if only because it's a string set for DETUNING, so to make a fat sound using low tunings... While the idea is interesting, I fail to really catch anything, maybe playing comfort could factor in in Std. E Tuning, but otherwise this seems unconclusive to me.
@asherplatts6253
@asherplatts6253 4 жыл бұрын
Really? To my ears the 11s sounded harsh and thin, the 8s sounded much fuller.
@stupendousmusic4190
@stupendousmusic4190 4 жыл бұрын
@@asherplatts6253 This is physically not possible. What you might be hearing is the greater volume across the spectrum do to the increased signal output of the larger strings.
@asherplatts6253
@asherplatts6253 4 жыл бұрын
@@stupendousmusic4190 What do you mean "physically not possible"? A thicker string is going to have higher tension and will respond entirely differently. The metal keys on a xylophone have more mass than a guitar string, and produce a much higher frequency. Because they vibrate differently. Don't pretend like you have facts when you don't.
@stupendousmusic4190
@stupendousmusic4190 4 жыл бұрын
@@asherplatts6253 I do have the facts, the experience, and the knowledge. Perhaps I wasn't clear in what I said. I meant physically in terms of physics. What you just skas to me I contradiction. True, a thicker string will have more mass, and more tension, and will respond entirely differently, especially when tuned to the same pitch as a thinner string; however, it will not have a much higher frequency, but the common frequencies will have more volume due to the greater mass than the thinner strings. Something to think about: Bass strings have more mass and diameter, more tension, and produce a much lower frequency bandwidth, and are tuned at a longer scale length.
@AvAfanfromfrance
@AvAfanfromfrance 4 жыл бұрын
The day I started putting 9's on my guitars, I improved my playing immediatly. Really, comfort does wonders for your playing, and the sounds you make depend on how comfortable you are on the fretboard.
@31musicrider
@31musicrider 4 жыл бұрын
I experienced the same thing by switching to a lighter pick. I always thought a sturdier pick would have a better attack, but it was just slowing down my picking hand. A thinner pick immediately helped me play smoother and cleaner.
@jacobbrown1690
@jacobbrown1690 4 жыл бұрын
thats why you practice on an accoustic with 12s, then play electric with nines and so easy to bend.
@TokyoBlue587
@TokyoBlue587 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, I have 10s currently but maybe I'll try the 9s
@robinho1978.
@robinho1978. 4 жыл бұрын
I moved from 10s to 9s about 2 years ago and you are absolutely spot on! I had been using 10s in Eb and the switched to Standard tuning for a different project and never thought to lighten the guage
@jadonx
@jadonx 4 жыл бұрын
@@TokyoBlue587 for years I used 10,s but bought a new strat last year with 9,s fitted and restrung since with super slinky 9,s too as playing was like a new lease of life! The deep frets on the USA professional model strat helped too!
@perkins1439
@perkins1439 11 ай бұрын
I've been playing for 40 years in my pic is 8 -42 when I first started playing I would break strings so I went to 9 but you become more delicate with the strings as you get more experience so I went back to 8 and there was no string breaking problem anymore I love the clarity in the highs
@JimAndDeePatton
@JimAndDeePatton 4 жыл бұрын
I’d love to hear that same test with a clean tone!
@peterpimenow3246
@peterpimenow3246 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. A clean tone would have made it easier to tell the difference in string guage sound.
@Mukna132
@Mukna132 4 жыл бұрын
MyRackley how is that more important if you are more likely to be playing chords? Why would a test used in context not be better than a test without any context
@5756strat
@5756strat 4 жыл бұрын
Comparing all four gauges on a 'clean' Strat would be interesting - and useful
@jaZZjaZZ54
@jaZZjaZZ54 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely.
@rstuartcpa
@rstuartcpa 4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering that too.
@stewartcohen7683
@stewartcohen7683 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed, and setting pickup height for each gauge for a true setup comparison.
@duncan-rmi
@duncan-rmi 4 жыл бұрын
& hear it with just a mic pointed at the guitar, no amp, nada. also, did the guitar need any mechanical adjustment as the tension came off?
@5756strat
@5756strat 4 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Cerna Jr Playing 'clean', the changes between gauges are subtle to a point, yes., unless of course you go from 11s to 8s and vice versa., then the difference is marked. But it depends on the music you play and your playing style. Most of the stuff I've played in bands over the years has been covers of a lot of 50s/60s stuff, and British too, e.g. Beatles, Stones etc and of course Hank Marvin (The Shadows) who has been a big influence. Those guys were brought up on 12s, even 13s. I have one gigging Strat loaded with 11s and the other guitars I use have 10s although I have used composite sets of 10s & 9s. The convention is that the heavier gauges hold their tuning a lot better, particularly under a lot of finger bending and whammying, which I can certainly vouch for, and the tone and volume is 'bigger' with the heavier gauges too but, of course, lighter strings afford greater play-ability. The other factor which is often forgotten , is PU height. People also forget to adjust bridge saddles, nut slots, and truss rods too when they change string gauges which can certainly affect performance. As I get older I'll probably go to lighter gauges. I think it was Tom Johnson (Doobies) who said something like, " why make it hard for yourself, lighter gauge strings make life a whole lot easier" Whatever you play with, enjoy what your doing!
@schecterseven3894
@schecterseven3894 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I think the guitar wants to pick the gauge . I use mostly 10's but have 11's on some, and 9's on one .
@metalzen3480
@metalzen3480 4 жыл бұрын
Curious, are your guitars "wanting different string guages" all different scale lengths? Cheers!
@tannerblades9049
@tannerblades9049 4 жыл бұрын
Schecter seven I agree, each of my guitars have different gauges. I will say that so far my strat sound the best to me with 12’s but they sound horrible on my sg which has 10’s. My ibanezs have 11’s and 9’s
@martinclarke3562
@martinclarke3562 4 жыл бұрын
Great to read this comment and replies. I have hybrid 9s on most scales length. Best of both. But low wound strings on 9nset don't work on my Les paul. They just flap about too much, hence the hybrids. Keep jammin'!
@ALittleBitOfGay
@ALittleBitOfGay 4 жыл бұрын
I have 11s on a es-355, and on my SG I have 10s. They are both Epis, not Gibson's. I also use tens on a knockoff slightly Hot-rodded Austin LP. I had a nice Strat copy that was best with 9s. Forget who the make was now. :)
@tonyisyourpal
@tonyisyourpal 4 жыл бұрын
I kinda agree with this too - I usually have 9s on my Strats and 10s on Gibson-style guitars - the 9s just feel flappy on my es345 copy.
@randygumaer282
@randygumaer282 29 күн бұрын
I went from 12's to 8's after hearing Billy Gibbons talk about how much easier they were on your hands and that the difference in sound is negledgible. I found that I needed to learn to lighten my death grip from years of playing 12's because I would squeeze out of tune. I've recently been diagnosed with RA which is affecting my hands so I'm going to switch to 7's to see if that helps. I liked the experiment. Getting to hear the comparison of 8's - 11's was interesting, 8's sound clearer and rang where 11's sounded a bit muffled. I dig the channel keep up the interesting content.
@karlvonpackal1402
@karlvonpackal1402 3 жыл бұрын
I setup guitars all day almost every day, from guys using 7’s to my own ridiculously heavy custom sets. The pickups, the amp, the player, type of string, which strings are wound, what metal the frets are made of, coatings if applicable (elixir nano/poly), the material of pick or finger/nail technique, etc. it all comes into play. And to give a true idea of what strings do to tone you need to begin with a clean, non-clipped open sound.
@siddhartascarlett5430
@siddhartascarlett5430 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah! I tried with .11 and tuning my guitar in c sharp, and sounds great! with all the metal gain, but.. if I put into clean mode, I just get a weak bass sound! :( lol
@drgeorgejohnson
@drgeorgejohnson 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. That’s what’s wrong with this video.
@heavychonkerssteviek8691
@heavychonkerssteviek8691 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe that your personal preference turns out to be whatever your personal preference is.
@TheVatonaught
@TheVatonaught 4 жыл бұрын
yeah and I'm always amazed when guitar players agree on anything at all...we are a contentious lot.
@chinmeysway
@chinmeysway 4 жыл бұрын
Steven Kerksiek i.e. confirmation bias
@BlGGESTBROTHER
@BlGGESTBROTHER 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheVatonaught Humans are contentious in general...it's amazing we agree on any thing really. Fuck...I'm proving my own point!
@joshairhart7080
@joshairhart7080 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlGGESTBROTHER I disagree!!!
@gtrman12887
@gtrman12887 4 жыл бұрын
@@joshairhart7080 I agree with what the majority agree on!!!
@RastaSaiyaman
@RastaSaiyaman 4 жыл бұрын
When I was a teenager, I used whatever strings I could afford, which with my meager income, always meant that I went for Fender Dynamaxx sets which were the cheapest. But even back then I KNEW I had the wrong strings. - Because Dynamaxx strings lose their brightness very quickly - They would oxidize very quickly too, turning them black and tearing up my fingertips. And this being the mid nineties, no internet yet, I resorted to scouring guitar mags to read about what my heroes were using. I think it was Slash who talked about D'Addario XL sets and I was going, "if it's good enough for him..." So I bought a set and they were a revelation, they felt so good, didn't hurt my fingers and kept their sparkle. So then I started experimenting with gauges and I settled on 011 sets, since those felt the most natural to me. 9's felt like rubber bands and 12's were just a step too far. It has been 25 years since I first put a set of D'Addario 011's on my guitar and I never changed, they are perfect for what I do and the sound I want to have.
@thrashold1989
@thrashold1989 Жыл бұрын
Just put 8's on my EVH Wolfgang and Wasburn Dime V. They feel phenomenal and any sound impact is negligible at most. I am going to move others to 8's over time as well, including my Gibsons and Fenders. Had been a 9 user for decades. Great informative video! Even three years later...
@221b-l3t
@221b-l3t 8 ай бұрын
9er user, keep em for Eb tuning otherwise 8s! 10 gauge for D or lower. Although I have 8s tuned to C# on my Tony Iommi :) Authentic Spaghetti! Bass on 0, treble booster and I can grow a moustache with 10 minutes of riffing. Needs high action and the buzz add to the doom.
@anthonysilva5312
@anthonysilva5312 4 жыл бұрын
Playing the high E and B might’ve helped 😉
@barberelectronics5672
@barberelectronics5672 4 жыл бұрын
Ha! I was thinking they could have saved money changing out the e and b since they were hardly touched! Nice of the guys to make this test, I guess I am the outlier who loved the chewy sound of the 11's on those low strings, especially for Rhett's playing, but I'd use whatever string gauge worked for the condition of my hands and to make the guitar work for the sound I am trying to achieve.
@maxholliday5097
@maxholliday5097 4 жыл бұрын
I have used 11s all my life because they said “medium” and I thought that was the normal gauge. Buuut I watched a video from Jared Dines and tried switching to 9s and it’s a game changer. Not just for the tone, but for playability. Now my knuckles don’t hurt anymore because bending and even fretting is so much easier. The tone is just a bonus. I can see why SRV needed to switch, because playing those heavy ones starts getting to you. I wish I would have known this like 20 years ago. Why do so many companies call 11s medium when they are almost the heaviest?
@cj4b2
@cj4b2 4 жыл бұрын
me too
@bambangygnamanyagentolet9129
@bambangygnamanyagentolet9129 4 жыл бұрын
Max Holliday I think if we go back to the first era of acoustic to electric guitars, The string are really really thick & heavy, I think it was 0.13, or maybe more? But than they go thinner and thinner, so the 0.11 was quite medium at That time. I think the 0.09 & 0.08 just started around 1970’s-80’s, I guess CMIIW 🤓
@getulioprates
@getulioprates 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly as @Bambang Gentolet said: Because of the Acoustic Guitar Standards. 0.11 is a medium gauge for the acoustic guitar standards.
@revrocks3
@revrocks3 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Max, I don't know which company started it but generally in the 1980's most strings i saw in the stores were designated like this; 8's are Super Light, 9's are Extra Light, 10's are Lights, 11's are Medium, 12's Heavy, 13's Super Heavys, 14's Extra Heavy and I've seen up to 16's for standard scale electric guitars so technically i guess they are 'mediums'. There are a lot more string manufacturers these days that use completely different designations. I used 10's for years for the same reason, i thought that 'light' was the way to go to shred like Joe, then I tried a set of 11's and my musical world changed forever lol..
@arjunsubrahmanian7535
@arjunsubrahmanian7535 4 жыл бұрын
Could you link the Jared Dines video?
@MakingaStink
@MakingaStink 3 жыл бұрын
For me strings have always been about feel. 10-52 seems like the best of both world. I find like Rhett said lighter strings I tend to overpower, also a tad bit more resistance helps me control vibrato better. Would love to see a video comparing pure nickel vs nickel plated steel. -Chris
@johnnie3Chords
@johnnie3Chords 2 жыл бұрын
I just purchased D'addario EXL140-3D / 10•13•17•30•42•52 for my 83 Ibanez ROADSTAR 2 & SLICK SL-54T , both have single humbucker .
@Watchinchemtrailz
@Watchinchemtrailz 2 жыл бұрын
I use 10-46 and 10-52
@codacreator6162
@codacreator6162 2 жыл бұрын
Plus, I’m just too sloppy for very light strings and have a harder time NOT bending them…
@paigeguitarplayer
@paigeguitarplayer 2 жыл бұрын
I like 10-52 for playing metal and lower tunings but anything else i like 9-42 those new ernie ball cobalt strings kick ass!
@ritualityoficial
@ritualityoficial Жыл бұрын
Hey Rick, doing the same for acoustic guitars would be amazing!
@jimmymurphy7789
@jimmymurphy7789 Жыл бұрын
You oughtta hear one of my client's 800 Series Taylor Acoustic Guitar with an Acoustic .010 set on it (Elixir) - Spectacular playing & recording ! I couldn't believe it (he had an .011 set on it originally) ! A true "Guitar Stradivarius" tone/sound.
@montysweetmusic3458
@montysweetmusic3458 Жыл бұрын
Yes that we would be a great comparison...and probably more appropriate in the tonal arena
@iainthomas5249
@iainthomas5249 4 жыл бұрын
ANY strings I use must be the wrong ones. It never sounds right.
@ManuelGonzalez-pz6zq
@ManuelGonzalez-pz6zq 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe you just need a good setup.
@safenders
@safenders 4 жыл бұрын
Ya, either you are making a joke, or you need a proper setup, adjusting the intonation, action, and other such things.
@iainthomas5249
@iainthomas5249 4 жыл бұрын
M Bluescoch Nah, just need someone else to play!
@iainthomas5249
@iainthomas5249 4 жыл бұрын
safenders Maybe I should adjust the player. Should I get a new one?
@ManuelGonzalez-pz6zq
@ManuelGonzalez-pz6zq 4 жыл бұрын
If that's the case, then you should keep practicing!
@jimdavignon
@jimdavignon 4 жыл бұрын
8's are like having a built in hi-pass filter on. 10's on Les Paul sound best to me
@DarrylKirby
@DarrylKirby 4 жыл бұрын
Ditto!
@hywel4605
@hywel4605 4 жыл бұрын
don't like heavy strings on les pauls
@Atomkukac1
@Atomkukac1 4 жыл бұрын
Anything below 10 is cutting my fingers like a razor.
@jimdavignon
@jimdavignon 4 жыл бұрын
I also think scale has something to do with it. 10's on Les Paul have about the same tension as 9's on a Strat. That effects tone as well. 9-46 on Strat seem to feel and sound the same as 10-52 on a LP, particularly if you string wrap over the tailpiece on LP
@henkkman
@henkkman 4 жыл бұрын
Jim Davignon I like 10’s on my strats because the single coils sound too weak with 9’s in my opinion. Les Paul’s have stronger humbuckers so I like to use 9’s so the bass isn’t too overpowering.
@deanfarley389
@deanfarley389 2 жыл бұрын
I was very glad to hear Rick Beato do this video on string gauges because back in 1994 I started to write a monthly column in Vintage Guitar magazine on “the history of string making and design” where the introduction to the column used a comparison between Trevor Rabin using 8-38 sets vs. SRV using 13s-The question I posed was who of the two players had the biggest tone and I stated it was Trevor Rabin. Just listen to Yes’ record “90125” and check out the massive tone he got on that! Heavier strings cannot sustain as long as lighter gauge sets simply due to difference in mass, thus being able to vibrate and have a ton more “zing!” I know for sure that I was the first guy to bring this up in this column. I’d love to send Rick and friends some samples of my latest string creations for them to test out. I just came out with some very unique designs that really kick major sonic ass.
@AttiMatter
@AttiMatter Жыл бұрын
That’s super neat!
@StevenHoman
@StevenHoman 28 күн бұрын
I am loving this very practical discussion and demonstration. My arthritis has had me dropping the guitar for ten years, and not the gauge. I had settled on 9s, never trying lower, as my Gretsch copy (a brilliant early 60s Japanese copy, which was a tremendously sounding and easy playing low fret, and low action neck) I wasn't playing professionally, so the 9s were for longer life, but less finger strain.
@rccarsandmusic2641
@rccarsandmusic2641 4 жыл бұрын
Gees you must be my age, I remember 8's. Retired now I play 9's 2 hours a day. I am 65yrs and still rocking and Jazzing and I am left handed. 50 years of playing went by fast.
@Chewwy153qt
@Chewwy153qt 4 жыл бұрын
exact same boat as you.
@kg123krh
@kg123krh 4 жыл бұрын
Does it make a difference if you are left or right-handed?
@DMSProduktions
@DMSProduktions 4 жыл бұрын
@@kg123krh You'd think not!
@senselessinductor7921
@senselessinductor7921 4 жыл бұрын
Lefty solidarity!!!!
@guitarocd9984
@guitarocd9984 4 жыл бұрын
Fast is an understatement. When I realize I'm old is when I see my age on a document. And I think when did that happen.
@natanartemiev722
@natanartemiev722 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with 10s, but I also really like how 11 gauge sounds. Maybe I will try elevens someday. At the end of the day don't let anybody tell you which string gauge is better, it's ultimately up to your tastes and how it affects your playing.
@barrybartos7687
@barrybartos7687 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the 11's sounded best for the power cords... seemed "fuller."
@bondhughbond
@bondhughbond 2 жыл бұрын
I've played with .008s for decades on my Les Pauls, Teles and everything else. I find that you can compensate the tone electronically but the lighter strings give a livelier attack that can't be dialed in with heavier strings. When your pick attacks the strings it causes a burst of harmonics that travel up the string. Thinner strings are more flexible so they contort more to allow those harmonics to happen. It's like a splat on the attack that's missing from heavier strings. You can adjust how much splat you get by how much or how little you flick your right wrist as you dig in with your pick. When I pick up a guitar with thicker strings, I wind up playing way too hard because I can't flick my wrist enough to get that splat. It's just not there.
@stonehengeband2004
@stonehengeband2004 11 ай бұрын
My opinion is exactly the same as yours! 100% agree with you. Those people who claim that thicker means better just don't understand the physics of the process.
@TheLiquidCanvas
@TheLiquidCanvas 11 ай бұрын
Splat is def the preferred nomenclature 🫧
@wizrom3046
@wizrom3046 10 ай бұрын
Learn the splat. Love the splat. LIVE the splat. Umm, what were we talking about again? I know it goes splat
@nwrob1
@nwrob1 7 ай бұрын
The Splat's where it's at.
@paranoiaband23
@paranoiaband23 Жыл бұрын
Been using 9’s for years. Recently bought a Mexican Stratocaster and the previous owner was an old timer who had 8’s on it, so I decided to keep them on. Broke a string and changed them for 9’s and immediately noticed the difference in sound and feel. I’m getting a pack of 8’s today 😂 great video!
@chedu77
@chedu77 4 жыл бұрын
Second part: clean (ish) amp and single coils, please
@kbcarroll
@kbcarroll 4 жыл бұрын
would destroy their test and find opposite results. Thinner wound strings sound so dinky and thin on a strat. I can't stand playing the new guitars at the store because they sound so papery
@juliansedor7101
@juliansedor7101 4 жыл бұрын
Use the high strings more! Not just power chords on the bottom 3.
@kbcarroll
@kbcarroll 4 жыл бұрын
@@juliansedor7101 well, I'm a blues player. I use all 6 strings pretty equally. A strat into a blackface tremolux or bassman with a king of tone or tubescreamer.
@laurensbronsveld
@laurensbronsveld 4 жыл бұрын
Yes to this!
@TheoAndersenCarton
@TheoAndersenCarton 4 жыл бұрын
Stevie didn’t really play power chords with an LP through a Marshall did he? It a great tip to try other gauges, but you are doing the same plainly suggesting 8s are better no matter what. Now I think you are right moving to 8s will tighten up the sound a bit. But isn’t part of it that the lighter strings give a lower output which cleans up the sound, by not making it as distorted?
@Elizondobass
@Elizondobass 4 жыл бұрын
I liked how the 10’s sounded. Right amount of crunch and clarity.
@GabrielGAS1201
@GabrielGAS1201 4 жыл бұрын
and attack, the 11s where too round, the 9s and 8s where to soft on attack
@RamessesIX
@RamessesIX 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the heavier ones sounded sort of garage-y and not responsive or alive, like the 10s. Any heavier just sounds too harmonically truncated. Of course, with 8s, you have more mechanical control and power to nuance.
@joevining2603
@joevining2603 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, the 10s had the clarity without the mud, but the 8s and 9s got a little too crisp for me. Depends on the application and the sound you need, though. I can see merits for the 9s and 8s if you really need to cut through a mix, but 10s seem like an all around good choice, at least for this particular guitar.
@GuitarJeff
@GuitarJeff 4 жыл бұрын
If your just playing by yourself sure. 10s are probably just fine. However if you are in a band you get drowned out and mixed in. Ever been to a live show especially with 2 guitars and a bass and listen. If you hear each guitar and and tell them apart then they are doing with OD in front of amp to tighten up or they are using lighter Gage strings as shown. However I have been been to shows where sometime a guitarist may be playing his ass off and you can't hear him. It's usually because he is on the lower growlier end in a band with a lot of other noise. So you don't hear him. When playing live your tone and cut is for your audience. Guitars play mids. Let the bass guitar handle the base. This actually is a bigger problem in modern times than past. Now with in ear monitors a guitarist can turn up his volume in his ears to hear himself. Back in the day you had to cut through the mix to hear yourself. Again though if you don't play in a band. Meh do what makes you happy.
@DaveSheremata
@DaveSheremata 4 жыл бұрын
I agree 0 at least on KZbin with headphones, the 10s sound best to me... maybe Paul Reed Smith is onto something ;)
@WillyKellyMusic
@WillyKellyMusic 4 жыл бұрын
I’d love to hear this same test with a clearer, cleaner tone.
@PhillipAlcock
@PhillipAlcock 4 жыл бұрын
Just what I was thinking. Please!
@jeffbateman2339
@jeffbateman2339 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Strat clean tone! I would imagine 8’s on a strat or Tele would sound super thin on clean settings, But maybe not!
@calach2924
@calach2924 4 жыл бұрын
ikr , that should have been the first test
@drothberg3
@drothberg3 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking exactly that. The results could be quite different.
@williamknell864
@williamknell864 4 жыл бұрын
I've been playing D'Addario XL 010"s forever. When I was last playing out, a lot of what I did was acoustic. Switching from light D'Addario coated strings to XL .010 was always an easy transition. Especially if I played slide. It just made it so nothing felt foreign in my hands. And I never play with this much gain. But I could definitely hear what Rhett was finding there. But his physical input, to me, was notably different than Rick's and Dave's. Not Earthshaking. But there seems to be something a little different to his grip, or the "English" he puts into his "chug," if ya' know what I mean. This was definitely cool.
@TheworldofMattias
@TheworldofMattias Жыл бұрын
Wow, what a difference ! I’m absolutely gonna change from 10 to 9. It’s what you said about when different string size were popular. I started playing in the 90s and 10 was the standard. Never thought much of it but I think that jumping from 10 to 8 would be a bit far for me. I’ll try the 9 and take it from there. Love your videos, big fan! Rock on!
@echo1434
@echo1434 4 жыл бұрын
I wish you had done a test with some single note lead playing across the entire range of the fretboard. This is where the heavier gauges can be beneficial, like if you want to really low and thundering single notes that sound more in the realm of a bass/baritone than a regular guitar. A great example is Dick Dale, the surf guitar great. He used 14s and even 16s - you simply cannot match the sound of the lower register with the common lighter gauges. When you play chords, the low notes may sound better on lower gauge strings due to the overall interaction between all frequencies, but it can be a completely different story with individual notes. It's really just a matter of works best overall for your intended sound, and also what you are more comfortable playing (as mentioned in the video).
@Coolguy8623
@Coolguy8623 4 жыл бұрын
i like that heavy bottom set
@1mnoddity811
@1mnoddity811 4 жыл бұрын
a little more variety from the riffs would have been nice, but they did a great job regardless of exemplifying the differences in the gauges. I can definitely hear the differences, but I always have lol
@souloftheage
@souloftheage 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, YES, YES!!!. Simply strumming doesn't differentiate much of the various strings. Interesting how experts make tests that are so poorly conceived. I have a very good ear and with the disortion it was hard to discern any difference. Maybe I was making it up?. Your idea is best.
@shanedingz
@shanedingz 4 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised there was no mention of scale length. I thought that was an important factor in choosing string gauge. Personally, I like different gauges on different guitars.
@ninevehguitar
@ninevehguitar 4 жыл бұрын
Me, Myself and I Yes, this is true. A set of 9’s on a Gibson scale will be looser than the same strings on a Strat. This is the reason I use 10-52 on my Strats and 11-54 on my Gibson scaled guitars. The tension and tone balance out very closely.
@wyssmaster
@wyssmaster 4 жыл бұрын
That definitely changes the feel, due to the difference in string tension, but this video seemed pretty solely focused on tone.
@BARKINGattheMOON100
@BARKINGattheMOON100 4 жыл бұрын
wyssmaster This Video, (sorry all you nimble wits out there), was actually selling you all a Set of Ernie Ball Strings.😂🤣😂
@ninevehguitar
@ninevehguitar 4 жыл бұрын
wyssmaster Yes, and the tension definitely affects the tone as well as feel. Lighter strings will usually always be a little “snappier” and brighter when played with the same attack as a heavier string. One of the main reasons I personally prefer heavier strings is because for my playing style, I get a far greater dynamic range depending on my pick attack. It’s not so much about feel to me, it’s about the dynamics and the attack.
@shanedingz
@shanedingz 4 жыл бұрын
wyssmaster sure, but the title of the video is “You’re probably using the WRONG guitar strings”. The ‘wrong’ gauge of strings on a Stratocaster might be the ‘right’ set for a Les Paul, depending on what sound you’re aiming for. Playing style is also a factor. Scale length vs. gauge certainly affects feel. But depending on what gauge you are putting on what scale, I’m sure it affects tone as well. They only used one guitar here. That was enough string changing I’d imagine.
@thecomingman1591
@thecomingman1591 3 жыл бұрын
As my wife says It's not the size of the strings that matter its how you use the pick.
@EvAn-tm3yb
@EvAn-tm3yb 3 жыл бұрын
Haha
@timking2997
@timking2997 3 жыл бұрын
Only people with small strings say that.
@EvAn-tm3yb
@EvAn-tm3yb 3 жыл бұрын
@@timking2997 facts
@paulbangash4317
@paulbangash4317 3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried open tunings ? 😬
@lisasez
@lisasez 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm... Well I guess pickless kinda folks ie: Lindsey Buckingham etc. etc.. can run the gamete or be ostracized all together... Ha.. JK...just adding to your joke... 😉☺️
@DarkWolf-ip2do
@DarkWolf-ip2do 11 ай бұрын
I grew up playing 8s in the 70s and 80s and have never changed. I tried 9s once and just wasn't happy and immediately went back to 8s.. GREAT VIDEO!!
@JoePariseauMusic
@JoePariseauMusic 4 жыл бұрын
I would've liked to hear what the treble strings sounded like. Also, to hear the difference on single coils. Great video! Perhaps you could do a follow up?
@markallen381
@markallen381 11 ай бұрын
What about very clean guitar sounds? No overdrive, jazz king of sounds!
@nicost72
@nicost72 4 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to hear the same experiment on a Strat...
@angyengi9433
@angyengi9433 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!!
@Ernesto87
@Ernesto87 4 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah. I use 9's on mine
@angyengi9433
@angyengi9433 4 жыл бұрын
I use 11-52 on mine
@jasonbutler419
@jasonbutler419 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I haven't thought about it in years, but when I had 11s on my Strat and 10s on my Les Paul they both seemed their best. I wonder if the extra string mass helps balance out the thinness of single-coil pickups whereas it adds "mud" to Humbuckers.
@OosGuitar
@OosGuitar 4 жыл бұрын
yeah for sure. i think hearing the single coils through a clean sound would be interesting
@postpunkhah
@postpunkhah 2 жыл бұрын
Somebody needs to do a test like this with acoustic guitars.
@randybrown8872
@randybrown8872 2 жыл бұрын
Hm. Havent thought about it but not sure there is much selection for acoustics. I prefer phosphor bronze for a mellow tone and I think there are a few light gauge sets out there.
@MHZHellGuitar
@MHZHellGuitar 2 жыл бұрын
Rick has done that one too
@The11eleven
@The11eleven 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with that is that every acoustic guitar is different. One D28 might sound better with 12s and another D28 with 13s, and yet another D28 will sound better with 11s.
@nworbydnar
@nworbydnar 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, someone should. The Santa Cruz 12s are really thick. I would love to hear the sounds!
@mariefulton2847
@mariefulton2847 Жыл бұрын
Just what I was thinking. I play acoustic and would be very interested.
@danserogermusic104
@danserogermusic104 7 ай бұрын
Good thing at the end that you showed the steep comparison from 8-gauge to 11-gauge, because before that, it was only a progressive 1-increment thing (11 to 10, 10 to 9, and so on), so it didn't really give the full difference back-to-back! New to your channel Rick and I'm an instant subscriber! Will now watch your similar video on the acoustic strings!! Keep it up!
@ianminogue-corps7472
@ianminogue-corps7472 4 жыл бұрын
I find that the heavier strings have more note separation to my ears
@luizfloripa
@luizfloripa 4 жыл бұрын
absolutely agreed
@PeterPug
@PeterPug 4 жыл бұрын
It certainly makes you play different...I think that's more the effect. Honestly, I tried 9's on a Les Paul and it felt like I was playing rubber bands and hated it!
@frufru0071
@frufru0071 4 жыл бұрын
Ian Minogue-Corps I second that! Well, I’m the 4th to reply but...I also agree. If my memory’s correct, Gary Moore preferred heavier gauge strings. He got some very tight 'n bright tones from both his Strats & Les Pauls. Not that I’m ever going to be remembered as a greatly talented guitarist, but I started using 10s-46/‘Regular Slinky' when I was young simply because they were more difficult to break. I remember playing a friend’s Tele that was strung with 8s, (& had a particularly narrow/thin neck), it felt like I could "bend it like Beckham". TWANG!
@DonVueltaMorales
@DonVueltaMorales 4 жыл бұрын
Back in the 60s a kid I knew in HS told me that the star guitarist from his neighborhood used Gibson banjo strings. This is back, as far as I know, before the Ernie Ball Super Slinky was available. My friend used the banjo strings with a telecaster and some Fender amps, I think, and it was a wonderfully round sound, which I would say now, accentuated the lower harmonics. I used them also for a brief while until the SS came out. They were my first low-gauge strings. Just some local ancient history here for those who care.
@IamUncledeuce
@IamUncledeuce 4 жыл бұрын
I was sort of thinking the same thing, except in my case I was playing on Dad's L 45 Gibson, a nice 50s budget archtop with Gibson 13 gauge, those projected well and it was the sound that guitar made, or at least it was ingrained in me that that's how that particular type of guitar should probably sound. I remember when Ernie Ball Slinkies hit the streets for general consumption, but I was playing bass full time & rotosound was the go-to Rock string.
@shagovthemutiny2591
@shagovthemutiny2591 4 жыл бұрын
This is the same technique Tony Iommi used when he lost his finger tips from machining accident
@jeffneiman4635
@jeffneiman4635 4 жыл бұрын
I’d personally never go off my ears from when i was a kid and first getting into music and audio production...
@evenseb7574
@evenseb7574 4 жыл бұрын
Why not clean sound? Would have been much more interesting. The main difference is maybe the playing and bending ability... Or are guitarists not bending anymore?
@aashideacon
@aashideacon 4 жыл бұрын
I think if they used clean sounds, they would have found the opposite -- that heavier guage strings had more tone.
@dbo4506
@dbo4506 4 жыл бұрын
Leave clean tones in the past.... where they belong.
@evenseb7574
@evenseb7574 4 жыл бұрын
@@dbo4506 Why?
@AveryGuitar
@AveryGuitar 4 жыл бұрын
@@dbo4506 Yeah, why? I love distorted the most but like... Clean definitely has a place lol
@dbo4506
@dbo4506 4 жыл бұрын
For starters I’m taking the piss but secondly I never use clean tones. Clean for me is playing distorted blues.
@jasonbaillie
@jasonbaillie Жыл бұрын
This is such a great topic!! I’m in such awe to find out that the rock greats from the 70s were using 8 or below gauge strings. Now my appreciation for these exceptional players has changed to more of a less smoke and mirrors for tone and playability. This gives me hope as a player 😅 Everyone in my day in the 90s all said SRV had the highest gauges of string and still ripped it! Trial and error seems to be the only truth!
@looking_33
@looking_33 Жыл бұрын
they don't even manufacture the thickness of strings he used. custom orders
@tylerjones2
@tylerjones2 4 жыл бұрын
It almost seems like the bigger the string the more output it has and that's what affects the sound. That being said, it would've been great to see all these with some kind of visual EQ so we could see the sweep on the different string sizes.
@tjborekvideo
@tjborekvideo 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, like superimpose the different colored tonal spectrums with transparency to see where they overlap and where they don't.
@ErikVOfficial
@ErikVOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
opposite should be true. output of a guitar is generated by the string fluctuating in the magnetic field of the pickups, thinner strings fluctuate more than thicker ones, so generate more output right from the source, not to mention the decrease in bass would emphasize the mids giving the illusion of even more volume. this is just the signal hitting the input stage of whatever it is plugged into though, and will influence distortion and tone more than pure volume.
@vent676
@vent676 4 жыл бұрын
@@ErikVOfficial That is not what I'm experiencing. Thicker strings do indeed give more sound. Maybe the pull from the magnets isn't such that it compensates for the extra energy that is in a vibrating thicker string?
@m0j0b0ne
@m0j0b0ne 4 жыл бұрын
@@vent676 Pickup height is a factor there, but it's less about coloration than balancing sustain with output; you raise the P/U, you get more output, until the magnet begins to damp vibrations and you start to lose sustain. I theenk too much is made of sustain, because who is playing all those tied whole notes?
@vent676
@vent676 4 жыл бұрын
@@m0j0b0ne Yeah, pickup height is definitely a big factor. The very long notes are mostly in rhythm parts, where you strike a chord and it will last for a bar or two. But you can definitely hear the effect of string pull right from the beginning of the note.
@rickmathis8590
@rickmathis8590 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. When I first started playing, 8's were the norm, then later on 9's. Then you kept hearing that 10's were supposed to sound "so much better". So, I switched, but to be honest, I never thought there was much of a difference in my sound. As I've gotten older, I moved back to 9's just because it was easier on my fingers. I'm happy.
@IbizaRose
@IbizaRose 2 жыл бұрын
Right, I always used 10s, but it's hard on my fingers, I just rcently switched to 9s, and Wow, bending is so much easier. I never tried 8s though, but if it's good for BB King, I will try it next time.
@rodmorgan7041
@rodmorgan7041 2 жыл бұрын
My god, you are me. This is exactly the process I have gone through in my years of playing. I am very happy with 9's now because my fingers are older. 😃
@nickevans417
@nickevans417 2 жыл бұрын
Yep , my experience too!
@kowloonbroadcast
@kowloonbroadcast 2 жыл бұрын
same, my friend. basically it was a period in my life when I moved to a 7-strings guitar and just because it’s so common point that these instruments should use some heavy strings to reach this “proper thickness” in sound, I tried basically every heavy set, but never was satisfied with anything above 9’s. I personally love that they ring more depending on how hard they are strummed, due to being relatively thin, when all sets starting from 10’s and above are almost dead locked and don’t get that much of amplitude that makes this ringing sound, which takes a bit of life out of performance, as for me. and yeah, of course they are also much more comfortable to hands, on top of everything above
@79blackbelt
@79blackbelt Жыл бұрын
Same here, I switched from 9s to 10s because everyone was saying they had better tone etc., but no one ever noticed I had changed gauges, and I couldn't see any improvement over the 9s, so switched back to 9s and have used them for years.
@Maxime_L91
@Maxime_L91 4 жыл бұрын
I really like 10-52 in E standard. I love how the low string bouce back quickly and dont wobble.
@PrizmSeeR
@PrizmSeeR 4 жыл бұрын
I just finally tried these and love them too.
@terryjames548
@terryjames548 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been playing for years with that set up. I don’t care for the lighter strings because they don’t sound as full, especially when playing leads . The heavier strings are ok, but you have to tune it a half step down in able to bend a note properly.
@michaelmapple8201
@michaelmapple8201 4 жыл бұрын
The scale of guitar matters too. For me they work very well on drop C tuning. I could use thicker but 10-52 is highly available
@jcheever37
@jcheever37 4 жыл бұрын
I use this set cuz I just like the feel of thicker strings 🤷
@dariosaviors
@dariosaviors 4 жыл бұрын
Been my main gauge for years on solid body (telly and a yamaha revstar - “gibson-scale”). Went down to 10-46, better feeling and, most important, easier and better setup. The tone? Meh.. nothin you cannot go EQ’ing on the amp and/or on stompboxes.. I think it’s not matter of tone (except jazz and classical blues maybe), but mostly matter of comfort and setting up and feeling under the fingers..
@BrandonBone18
@BrandonBone18 Жыл бұрын
I wasn't convinced until I heard the back-to-back comparison, especially going from the 8th back to the 11th. I'm going to buy 8s tomorrow
@TenThumbsProductions
@TenThumbsProductions 4 жыл бұрын
Went to check out that Royer mic and the sticker on it is 3Gs.... the microphones I think are the weakest area of my studio in general, nice guitars, amps, drums, nice monitors, nice audio interface, but a good analog rack and nice microphones will be the next area I am looking to upgrade. I'd love to see a video on both of those subjects Rick, building your first analog rack and the best mics for all budgets. Thanks!
@5000rgb
@5000rgb 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of the Sennheiser e609 for bargain mics. Stepping up I like small diaphragm condensers. There are lower priced ribbon mics (still not cheap) that have a "ribbon sound". Personally, small diaphragm condensers came damn close to sounding like what I heard in the room. e606 sounds "close enough", I can take it to a gig and if I lose it, it's not the end of the world, and phantom power is not necessary if you are in some sort of limited setup. SM57s never sounded remotely like my guitar.
@burnstudios
@burnstudios 4 жыл бұрын
Check out the Cascade Fat Head ribbon mics. Very reasonable and sound awesome.
@chuckthebull
@chuckthebull 4 жыл бұрын
lots of cool after market ribbons sound great..I'm,making a few myself,,custome winding the transformers and cnc cutting out the ribbon motor cases,,using the same ribbon as royers..so far they sound great..cool thing about ribbons is they are dead simple to make.. just look in KZbin at diy ribbons.
@donteschner8604
@donteschner8604 3 жыл бұрын
Check out CAD mics. I just got a used C82 ribbon and 2 sets of used CM 217 small diaphragm mics for overheads and acoustic guitar for just under 3 hundred bucks and this was after weeks of research and shootouts and reviews .. huge buttery and rich, Just like breakfast.
@timwarneka5681
@timwarneka5681 3 жыл бұрын
Check out the AEA R84 ribbon mic. Currently new at about $1,100. I got mine used off eBay for far less. Paired with the right preamp, guitars sound amazing!
@dostacos1
@dostacos1 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve used tens since I bought my first guitar 15 years ago. I just never considered using anything else. I took this to heart and put some 09-40s on my strat. Gotta say, both the clean and dirty tones are amazing. The mids are more focused, my playing sounds way more articulate on the lower strings, it’s not as muddy, and they don’t cause my overdrive pedals to produce that muddy low midrange bump that I hate. Great vid, thanks for the content!
@connorfleming9716
@connorfleming9716 4 жыл бұрын
I would have thought a strat or tele through a clean amp would've yielded better results
@ZeeChristoph
@ZeeChristoph 4 жыл бұрын
While I agree, I think the point they were trying to prove was that heavier strings muddies up the low end when trying to engineer a sound. This problem is obviously way less of an issue on clean settings, hence, they did the distorted demo.
@stephensaines7100
@stephensaines7100 4 жыл бұрын
@@PolaOpposite Agreed! I had to cut the vid short. My ears look for clean tone nowadays, not distortion. I'm a bass player, and listened to far too much distortion from guitar players over the years.
@ricardorodriguez5549
@ricardorodriguez5549 4 жыл бұрын
Connor Fleming as painfully clean as can be, right? Into a Deluxe Reverb without reverb on a clean tone
@connorfleming9716
@connorfleming9716 4 жыл бұрын
Ricardo Rodriguez Cleaner
@stupendousmusic4190
@stupendousmusic4190 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZeeChristoph It does not "muddy" up the sound, but it does have slightly more lower frequency information, which I can say as a producer and mix engineer helps the guitar to fit in its own pocket better in a mix.
@AdamusPrime76
@AdamusPrime76 Жыл бұрын
I went to music school in the late 90’s and I had no idea until now about 8’s being the standard originally. I’ve been destroying my hands for years lol. Thank you for this video!
@rogercantwell3622
@rogercantwell3622 7 ай бұрын
It can't be that recent - Ernie Ball 10s have been "Regular" for decades.
@malavoy1
@malavoy1 4 жыл бұрын
I remember in the 80's some of the guitar magazines writing that some guitarists actually mixed strings from different sets to get a specific sound, ie. 11's for the 5&6, 8's for the 1&2 and something in the middle for the middle strings. I used to use 11's for practicing to get my finger strength up, then move to 8's to make bends easier.
@mos6507
@mos6507 4 жыл бұрын
Hybrid slinky are my favorite.
@geoffmead9081
@geoffmead9081 4 жыл бұрын
Apparently Hendrix used a mix of strings with really light ones on the low E and A.
@dougfa3515
@dougfa3515 4 жыл бұрын
I think they were just screwing with their guitar tech. But I could be wrong.
@johnnystyles71
@johnnystyles71 4 жыл бұрын
I used to replace the low e strings with lighter gauge ones was they felt like a bass string on my normal 10s. Then I discovered 10 light packs.
@domidigital
@domidigital 4 жыл бұрын
I can hear Pat Martino dig in: "Yeah, but..." Personally, I like the feel of 11s more than any other gauges and don't care so much about the sound difference, whic varies anyway from brand to brand. The 54 low E on your set would be too much for me though. With distortion, fatter bass strings do not sound right to me, and your video seems to offer evidence in that respect.
@rccarsandmusic2641
@rccarsandmusic2641 4 жыл бұрын
11 to 50 a better set and fixed the neck on my Jackson SLX
@rccarsandmusic2641
@rccarsandmusic2641 4 жыл бұрын
27 baby's and 2 to build, I get orphee strings from China 10 for 11.99 alot of string changing rotate every 2 weeks.
@Spitfire-zx7rj
@Spitfire-zx7rj 4 жыл бұрын
9-42 is the most comfortable fit for me, the string is easier to bend and the sound is still strong when you do pull off
@Jabbaerwocky
@Jabbaerwocky 4 жыл бұрын
@@KiraPlaysGuitar Pat Martino uses the wound strings from a 12-52 Light set or 13-56 Medium set. He throws out the 12p and 16p/13p and 17p and replaces them with a 15p and 17p or 16p and 18p respectively. It is a misunderstanding that Pat Martino uses an extra heavy "15" gauge set; he doesn't. The lower 4 wound strings are from a typical 12-52 Light set or 13-56 Medium set. A 17p or 18p B3 string is not uncommon amongst jazz guitarists so, only the top E4 15p or 16p may be considered very heavy. PM's preferred guitar has a short scale length of 24.625". GHS makes two Pat Martino Custom sets, Light and Medium. Check them out.
@rccarsandmusic2641
@rccarsandmusic2641 4 жыл бұрын
Yes 27, I am left handed so I wanted variety, I do my own work even if they are cheap pots pickups out put in the single rails 15000ohms or quad rails my favorite. I love high output dragon fire pickups and their sealed pots.
@johnscott1723
@johnscott1723 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using 9.5's for 20 years on my PRS Custom 24 and various Gibsons (Les Paul, Explorer, Flying V). They are fantastic! I still like playing 9's on my Strats, with the longer scale length being the difference. If you're unsure about going with 9's or 10's, do yourself a favor and give the 9.5's a try. I strongly recommend D'Addario. I think you'll love them!
@nikazoran2558
@nikazoran2558 2 жыл бұрын
I do the same, but hate a brand new strings tonal characteristics
@NiqScott
@NiqScott 5 ай бұрын
Thought I'd revisit this video, as I've just returned to 8's. I started with 8's (and sometimes 7's) in the late 70's and early 80's. Over the years I crept up to 9's, and finally 9.5's. I recently got a couple of Strats, and decided to try 10's, and after 2 or 3 months of fighting with them, I've gone back to 8's on everything. The bottom end is definitely tighter, the mids more focused, and they're generally just a lot more pleasant to play - especially with 62 year old hands that aren't as strong as they once were.
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