Ricky Wysocki’s Surprising Departure, Jeremy Koling Shares All On MVP, DGPT All-Star Event | EP 105

[@listondavis]

Even before Jerm came on, just watching him play, you could see he was having fun for the first time in a while. I'm happy to see him getting an early win and playing some of what could be the best disc golf in his life in terms of mental game, living in the moment, and having fun. Good for him.

[@eddie8765]

It was good to see his putts go in.

[@Fi5hface]

Best Foundation interview yet hands down.

[@nicholaszalycki6718]

Brodie is right. people buy discs to support the players they like to keep them on tour.

[@codymaisonneuve]

Totally agree. If someone is making half a mil… they’re fine. I don’t need to upgrade to a tour series disc of theirs when I can pay half the price and get a stock stamp of the same disc. But if it’s a “B-list” player that I enjoy routing for on tour, heck yeah I’m gonna grab a tour series disc of theirs to help em out on the road.

[@dougs8196]

People do buy to support the players but I don't think that many people are considering the salary when making that decision. It is just if they're fans or not.

[@jacobchoate6279]

I buy signature discs mostly to support players these days. My bag is pretty set for function

[@codymaisonneuve]

@@dougs8196 that was Brodies whole point though. There’s a portion of the disc golf population that won’t bother supporting a player, even if they are a fave, if they know that player is already making bank. That was the whole point, companies are losing out on potential revenue because they are announcing how much they are paying players

[@Br3ttowen]

@@codymaisonneuvecompletely agree !! Well said brother

[@TheDrakmannen]

So, about the post produced stuff. I came in to discgolf in 2020 like everyone else and became addicted really hard. One of the reasons for that was that post produced content was incredible. Jomez was ofcourse the best, but almost every tour stop also had Gatekeeper or Gk pro or central coast posting 2nd card and sometimes even 3rd card action. That sadly isnt the case anymore, atleast not most of the time. It was really easy staying on top of who was doing what back then, because you got to see the top 8-12 for every single shot every event.

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Surely Brodie and Uli have gotta join the Tour Down Under next year. It’s been great to see Jerm playing well down here.

[@andrewklaudt8080]

Not likely

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

@@andrewklaudt8080 haha probably. I never thought I’d see any top pros here when I first started playing though. Let alone a Tour with this level of professionalism, so I won’t give up hope yet.

[@cpzimm]

Brodie is right. There is a big contingency of people out there buying discs to support the players they like, including climo. It was all over disc golf discussion for days.

[@jonathanknopp363]

Absolutely

[@athistedthetjapper823]

Uli is way off... why else would I pay more for a disc when i didn't need to. 🤷‍♂️

[@zondaboy6493]

​@@athistedthetjapper823Often times, signature discs look cooler, have a better hand feel or have different flight characteristics than other discs of the same mold name. A great example is the Sexton firebird. Sure, some people buy that disc to support Sexton, but most people buy it because it flies a little different to other discs and the plastic feels great. A newer example of this is the Eveliina destroyer.

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

As a player with 45 years experience, decide what molds suit you. Try out other people’s discs! Invest in multiple discs of the same mold! Practice in the field! Instead of getting lots of different molds, master a few select discs, it doesn’t matter what manufacturers! Unless you want to suck as a player.

[@dougs8196]

Sure you buy to support players but fans aren't considering their salary when doing so.

[@Ishiisan]

Honestly, I don't listen/watch this podcast often. I watched it because I saw Jerm is on. But the talk about people buying discs to support the players was very interesting. I would love for a disc manufacturer to release one mold with different stamps for each player. That would be awesome. And it would be cool if consumers could see how much each player is doing by selling each mold throughout the season.

[@BrokenOnTheRock]

Great show! Loved seeing Big Jerms excitement. I love watching Uli get re-excited post injury.

[@jvladcliff4083]

I didn't buy a Trail and 2 Detours because I am a big Conrad fan, I bought them because they are high quality, fantastic flying discs with good branding and reasonable pricing.

[@jeremiereid4286]

i did not buy either because conrad is a joke! #shouldbe7

[@chadbizeau5997]

​@@jeremiereid4286you are either a troll or you are taking way too much copium

[@joshcallaway3600]

then you are an idiot for buying the Conrad version of those discs when the regular version is cheaper....assuming you didn't care to support Conrad and you didn't buy it for ascetic value.

[@jvladcliff4083]

@@joshcallaway3600 oh thanks, you seem like you're really smart

[@jvladcliff4083]

@joshcallaway3600 Oh thanks it seems like you are really smart

[@bilboswaggings]

MVP definitely focuses on hitting different markets with players They have the holy shot and backhand specialist Conrad (hits both hype and backhand groups), Simon and Eagle for their youtubes and distance throwing, now they have Jerm for sidearm market, Silva as one of the most promising and exiting FPO future Kristin killers

[@mogulmaker1875]

As a retailer, I buy Big Jerm stuff because it sells, he's a good human and he's our voice that we hear. We love him. I myself as a disc golfers who has split an Airbnb with him in Vegas, love him. He's just a damn good guy.

[@jeffreypruitt2341]

When thinking about ROI, it’s not the retail price of the disc but the profit margin realized on each disc sale. So, in actuality, DD would have to sell significantly more than 160k discs just to break even on Rick’s contract.

[@JoeRomney]

There are 100% people that only have a specific number of dollars to spend and they could choose to spend that money on players they know need the financial help. I've personally done that.

[@VonFredrick777]

SOO HAppy For Big Jerm !! HAve A great Season

[@denniscomeau5190]

Anyone else notice that during the COVID boom we had more post produced coverage. Disc golf tournaments happen in the middle of the day, you're only capturing "the price is right" audience. Are you watching your favorite TV show at it's regularly scheduled time or on demand at your own convenience?

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

It’s just as difficult to improve when you’re 20 as when your 60. I promise. I’m 67 and after 40 years of playing I finally can throw 400+ this last year. And I’m in the best of great shape I’ve ever been in and have always been in great shape. Health is a lifestyle

[@maxmeyers5630]

MVP has very good business sense. For a lot of people, Jomez is the main way to enjoy the pro tour. Jerm and Uli, along with Nate, are hopefully going to profit from their hard work as the "voices" of pdga for many years to come.

[@markdennyritner7851]

They did themselves a solid by dumping Nova.

[@scottbrewington7230]

This was obviously a long video, but enjoyed it immensely. All the insights that you guys always bring and then having Big Jerm on there going over his history and his passion for the sport was amazing. Thank you for all the hard work always bringing us great content.

[@justinbutler8418]

This was one of the best disc golf interviews I’ve ever seen. So fun listening to Jerm, and I loved how much he openly talked about 4 different company’s discs! I feel like that doesn’t happen.

[@greyrug1460]

There are people who buys discs to support the player/brand. There are also people who buy discs because they want to throw the same discs as the pros do.

[@maxmeyers5630]

Exactly

[@Greldek]

Before Ricky Dynamic had one of the strongest FPO teams ever. Paige Pierce, Missy Gannon, Paige Shue, Rebecca Cox, and they did nothing to promote them. Instead they kept pushing EMac.

[@camwilson997]

14:15 I think major miss people make on the Kona contract is that Kona didn’t sign with a “team” in a team sport. She signed with a brand. She signed with a manufacturer. Kona had won on tour the year before at Waco hit a huge eagle at All Stars. She was a stock on the rise, and at the time was probably the biggest FPO player on social media. Kristin had also just won her first Pro tour the year before. She was not yet a major champion. So the contracts being in the same ball park wasn’t that crazy. Did the return on value prove widely different. Absolutely. Kristin is a 2 time world champion and arguably the best woman in the sport. Kona under performed and wasn’t healthy for a lot of the contract including beating Thyroid Cancer. That is all before you talk about how much better a footing Lat 64 was and is on financially then DD.

[@garretjohnson764]

I think the primary reason why post produced disc golf content is so much bigger than live & likely will be for the foreseeable future if not forever is for a few reasons: 1- so many people have weekends as their primary free time & want to get outside and enjoy nature. 2- disc golf is relatively cheap and easy to get into & you can play solo or with friends. 3- as far as I am aware there are a lot more disc golf leagues & tournaments than football leagues & tournaments, and those tournaments at least tend to be on weekends.

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Yeah it’s shorter, has the benefit of being edited before release and can be easily watched at any time. That being said watching the Holy Shot live a few years ago was one of the best moments of witnessed in sports.

[@maxmeyers5630]

That's the main thing for me, the length. I have dgn pro to support but rarely watch it live because it's so long amd I'm trying to play myself

[@billvega62]

Agree with everyone here watching live is not very realistic because it is too time consuming, much rather watch jomez after a whole saturday of playing DG myself

[@coreyjansen9033]

Brodie's face when Uli said "160,000 I could see that happening .. for sure." 😂

[@maxmeyers5630]

Great podcast. Really happy for Jerm. Also love the Zelda & Chill at the end!

[@cmlasley]

Ricky's disc prices turned a lot of people off. $30 for a General, which is only really good for players with high arm speed, is not a good formula for selling volume.

[@cup_and_cone]

All Trilogy prices are high. On the bright side, all Wysocki Luci and Orbits are currently on sale for $10-14.

[@MSMonkShare]

Really enjoy when casters name discs!

[@southtoe3607]

"we got the banger" i loled

[@khaksnes]

Regarding Jomez, for lots of people living outside the America's live coverage isn't an option due to timezone differences.

[@FlorpingAllOver]

Preordered my Jerm-Tempo as fast as i could, can't wait to get my hands on it! Cheers from Sweden.

[@jonathonrush8849]

In my personal opinion, on live coverage; I believe that in order to get a higher average of live viewers is to have more cameras. So that way, when lead an chase cards are inbetween holes we could get several other holes of other players. They’ve stepped up, with more cameras but definitely need more to fill the void

[@lfish21.]

Idk why they don’t have static cameras on holes people wanna watch. Like, a fun ace runnable par 3. Just have a camera parked on that hole that can always be cut to

[@nolowputts]

​@@lfish21.They've had that before, but it didn't do a whole lot for coverage

[@withthewindowsdown]

Nah brodie cooking on this one chef

[@JustinThorntonArt]

The think that I’ve noticed about the hex and the crave in particular is how straight they fly. I don’t have to hyzer flip them for tunnel shots like I would with most other discs I’ve used.

[@markdennyritner7851]

Brodie's right about Innova making moves. Everyone who thinks that Innova is on the defensive with their player cuts is missing what they're going to do with the freed up capital.

[@joshchojnacki8506]

It's refreshing to hear Jerm name discs from other companies when talking about his new MVP discs. It's absurd how other contracts don't allow pros to even mention other companies discs.

[@markdennyritner7851]

100% agree with Brodie's take on KC selling more discs with a $50,000 salary than if he got a $1,000,000 salary. People are eager to help make up for Innova's insufficient compensation of the Champ.

[@nautilusshell940]

Jerm laying the marketing on thick.

[@MrZwolle]

About the question, "guess the mystery disc" (im not done watching the video tho) I think Eagle is insane fast in learning how discs works and what the discs are. And Uli said Big Jerm, I totally agree. I'm not sure who I've put as third one tho! That's just my opinion. It's fun to listen to you guys! Best regards from a Disc Golf maniac from Norway :D

[@philipbalger7245]

Two things.. Eagle is the favorite in a blind 3 disc challenge. He’s a savant regarding molds; his understanding and ability would make him a juggernaut at such an event. Second thing. Who are the fake personalities Brody? Great interview, Jerm. He was spectacular as a guest. So sorry to o hear about his dog. Uli you’re the voice of logic on this pod cast ty for always inspiring levity through reason.

[@lynch42o]

You give “I voted for Biden vibes” Brody is probably the realest in DG… TF?

[@everydaywithanthonyj.2537]

Jerm is at 49:00

[@deadheartrecordings]

Disc golf is the only place I've had to spend nearly 50% more for a produce to support a player.

[@austinhamilton9444]

Personally when i buy a disc, its not necessarily to support the player. Its more about buying a disc that i think is actually good and will be good for my game. So when a new mold comes out and seems like it would fit a shot shape i have in mind, then i would consider buying. Im not just blinding buying discs to support players.

[@JC-dc7eb]

I don’t care who’s name is on my disc. If it’s a mold that I like, in a plastic type I like, I buy it. Shit I have many Jessica weese echo destroyers. I don’t even know who that is, but they sure do bomb.

[@prattacaster]

Robert Burridge has already won a big tourney in NZ just a couple weeks ago, he was throwing a ton of DD

[@greyrug1460]

going to buy MVP discs this summerjust becouse of Jeremy

[@tennessee5405]

We need Ricky mic'd up for a tournament. I need to hear his trash talk.

[@bendakstarkiller4827]

He has been several times on Jomez. Mostly just “attaboys”. Nobody’s gonna talk trash in an actual tournament, and Ricky is a nice guy. Go watch him on skins or practice round though. That’s a different story

[@drago987]

Let’s say it takes 160,000 discount sales to make 4 million…That’s revenue, not profit. It would take much more sales to get a break even roi.

[@nautilusshell940]

Yep, can probably only really attribute $5-10 per disc to a player

[@MegaFlorest]

I definitely buy discs to support the players I like.....and I stopped buying Ezra Aderhold and Adam Hammes discs because they always like Trump posts on instagram.

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Geez I’ve followed Ezra for years, I wonder what values of Trumps align with his.

[@MegaFlorest]

@leastselfawarepotassium he probably just votes with the church?

[@TheNadaladaDOTnet]

I like Jerm a lot. He can definitely come across a little smarmy at times but that said it's good to see him aligned with MVP and having new energy in his game. Brodie really did a nice job with this interview too.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

Gyro made my forehand so much better

[@Bacula3]

Bodies the room you recorded in needs more stuff in it. There is a echo/reverb.

[@polish2246]

I get why Uli says we don’t know if Ricky and Kona weren’t making enough to fulfill their contracts, but there’s absolutely no way they were making enough to do so. The company would’ve never wanted them off their books if they were making money. I can’t imagine Kona’s products sold well at all and given that some of Ricky’s discs were $30+ I doubt those ones moved well either

[@tecreates2384]

I’m a Jerm fan, I’ve gotten an ace with each of my aviar x3s. 3 of em. I collect the Ohn stamps. But I’ve been an MVP fan since the ions got their stamp. MVP i think has now entered the Big 3. There is no big 2 anymore.

[@Philip.Eriksson]

I earn a decent salary and me and my wife basically buy 1-2 discs per year. They are often the discs we need the most and/or the disc from our favourite mpo/fpo signature

[@cup_and_cone]

How much do you play? Most "serious" players lose more discs than that a year.

[@sararoberts6026]

I think Casey White would do good at the mystery discs just because he can feel a disc and know what it is... so he would be able to easily compare it to a disc and know how it should fly. Eagle McMahon too for the same reason.

[@casinicho]

7:15 is when the meat and potatoes are served.

[@Holycow723]

I only bought Climo disc's to support Climo. The only reason.

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

Pathetic … with that money you could have bought five more of your favorite driver or putter for practice … unless you’re super rich and already have 50 of your preferred putters and 6 of each disc in your bag. Or? Maybe? You throw 360ft and your handicap is +12?

[@bendakstarkiller4827]

@@ERICWAGNERSLUCIDthey were $20, do you drive with paper plates?

[@nolangherity]

uli knows we all buy cap raps out of pity

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

Crapraps ! That’s a keeper (the name … not the disc).

[@brendinshedd8061]

To Brodie's point, I bought Kona's tour support merch pre-Dynamic, and stopped once I saw she was getting solid pay.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

I know Uli is biaed with Rick, but the Sockibomb brand low key sucks so much. What school is reading an email from an email address with Sockibomb foundation in it to get baskets put in. It's a brand that's funny 15 years ago but juvenile today

[@Wombat3000]

This is a great point and a place where the sport in general needs to grow up in my opinion

[@lynch42o]

Ya I kinda thought it was lame branding as well.

[@netposerx]

Does everyone get the same three discs? If so, the top pros will all do well.

[@andrewenzor6418]

44:00 I do think this should happen, maybe 7 discs though. Allow all molds, and so be it if people figure out it’s a buzz based on feel. But I wouldn’t want a bunch of junk discs. Maybe take the top sellers from each company. Bigger companies get priority if two company’s best selling disc is an over stable fairway driver. Etc

[@robmumma611]

I'm thinking just like Brody

[@jeff.nyerges]

Gotta take the profit per disc to determine hiw many needs to be sold to make up the contract value. Wholesale price less cost to produce less royalties.

[@jeffreymechler2424]

Speaking of quietly good disc golfers is one Aaron Gossage. Doesn't try to be flashy or out there, but every time you watch him I bet you're thinking, damn this kid is good.

[@bendakstarkiller4827]

Every time I’m watching him I think damn if this kid could putt he’d be a world champion

[@davidsiegel9656]

Let’s Go , Big Jerm…

[@Modular70-kr8lh]

The Emporia State DG Team was given a choice of sponsor and they went with Innova.

[@jimbrovont7014]

I think House of Discs is going to liquidate DD.

[@matthewmcgregor6907]

What if say the pro tour and the Golf Channel on TV agree to showcase say the Disc Golf Championship at the end of the year with all the best players. Have cameras on every hole to showcase the wide talent pool. All this one on a one tournament deal and maybe expand the viewership of the sport. Maybe the Pro Tour might need to spend a little bit of money to have them be showcased and take a little hit but the potential is there.

[@gregreece2826]

I was hoping someone would think to have jerm recap his win coming from 2 strokes back. Sheesh.

[@asheranders901]

I don’t buy plastic based on the particular pro needing money.

[@ik12312344]

the tree disc idea is from cannon not brody, watch the simon vid with cannon

[@PyneTreeInTheForest]

Sports fans in general like to support the players/figures they like for the respective sport. So I think the question Brody is really asking is, will the fact that the fans know a player/figure is making X amount of money already impact their desire to support them? The real die-hards will still support them while it will certainly deter others to wanting to support their next favorite they fell may benefit from their support more because DG money is not good money in a general sports contract sense. Collectors on the other hand will still buy based on perceived value regardless and ultimately winning is what drives sales more than anything else in every sport. I think Ricky sold more before DD mainly because of the stigma of DD not being more prevalent in the general market.

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

Eagle can feel a disc and know. But Eagle is taking a while to learn the new line?

[@kingchuckfinley]

I love Ricky. I watch all of his content, and I root for him every tournament. I did not buy any of his discs, but if I could find a cartoon Ricky slammer I’d buy it. I can’t throw the discs Ricky throws. I just don’t know how to do it yet. I have no ill will to Discraft (I’ve bought almost every disc Missy has dropped.) but I don’t love the feel of the plastic. Also, Discraft is signing everyone right now, and Isaac signing with latitude felt really good to me. I love latitude. Ultimately, I mostly throw doomsday discs, so all of this probably means nothing. Cheers. P.s. I’d rather buy Scott’s discs than Ken’s.

[@kingchuckfinley]

Latitude will be the face of HOD…. I mean, they already are, but it will be Lat64 that lasts.

[@discblaster9210]

Should have had Ricky on Discmania. HOD should rebrand as Discmania. I would only keep DM and Westside and bring the other molds under those brands.

[@shawn_b]

Do we know how much Uli makes? How much Uli?

[@mattbroughton750]

Likely commercially sensitive information, contractually withheld.

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Haha I see what you did there.

[@lifeofdeez7201]

How’s does one go about getting a big jerm scented pound bag

[@bobcummings7772]

Brodie, take a listen to yourself when you ask Uli how's his week has been. I've heard you almost interrupt him before he's finished and start talking about something else or jumping right into how you're week has been.. makes it seem pretty clear that you don't really care or are not listening to what he's saying... slipping a little. I comment cause I've heard it 3-4 times now. Sounds a little self centered or pre occupied. With love you brother.... ❤the show

[@jimbrovont7014]

Most sports, the personalized merch cannot be used to play the sport competitively.

[@davereloader8837]

I definitely buy discs from players I like to help them tour. That's why I don't have any Brodie discs. J/K Brodie, I still got my GF Zone. It rules.

[@TheZamarriped]

Is it just me, or does it appear that Brodie could care less for Uli being an investor with Brixton? 48:46

[@zWhip]

I have bought 10-20 discs in my short 18 month time playing out of the 50-60 I have simply for the player on the disc. Didn’t care about how they flew, hell my simon pixel stays on my desk. Brodie is right.

[@carllinlee]

I gotta agree with Brodie a little skating is the same way you try to support individual athletes cause u like them same with skateboarding but I don’t think it’s a deciding factor in what happened with DD I think that’s just a fraction

[@carterkeyworth5334]

I don’t really pay any attention to dynamic but the only Kona disc I can name is the mako 3 after 3 years with dd… that’s rough

[@Its_me_3333]

Taylor and Sophia are gonna wreck FPO once they make the proper form adjustments power and calibrate their putts…. Their power is like none other in FPO… same with Eliezra

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

It won’t be long until professional male athletes take up disc golf. That and martial arts experts. Only because manufacturers pay players instead of developing disc golf courses and investing in payouts are there not more talented players.

[@Its_me_3333]

@ well if they’re professional athletes already, just about any other sport pays more… so I seriously doubt they will try to compete in disc golf as well… not sure what your definition of a professional athlete is though

[@cup_and_cone]

​@@Its_me_3333 I made this comment a while back. The days of petite women like Paige Sue or Kona Montgomery being top players are over. The sport has changed. The future of FPO is going to be dominated by power players like Holyn Handley. Being able to throw an extra ~150ft over your competitors is a massive advantage. Unless you handicap FPO holes to 300ft, the sport is forever changed.

[@patrickfickey3079]

I buy like 50 discs a yr soooo it isn't hard to think that 25 million discs get sold a yr across all manufacturers

[@joshcallaway3600]

I'm not buying the flutter argument...it isn't alleviated by gyro tech...it has to do with the profile width and the shape of the rim imo....lower speed discs are more rounded and thicker and they flutter more

[@pd-pobb-mofo]

No duh Jerm was going to be a long interview 🤣

[@darianhanson7067]

Personally I’m the exact opposite of what Brodie is talking about. If I’m buying a disc with a player’s name on it, it is solely because I’m a fan of that player and the disc itself. Never once have I thought about helping them tour. Also, Simon didn’t sell less time lapses and lizzotl hexes after he got his huge payday. He undoubtedly sold more because of the fandom

[@MegaFlorest]

Sorry Jerm....The Buzzz got the Hex beat.

[@samanthony8121]

Nah the hex is way better

[@MegaFlorest]

@@samanthony8121 Maybe for flip up shots or 60% power shots...in that regard, I think the Hex is better compared to a Coyote, Mako, or for me, the Buzzz SS...and I like the compliment in hand feel the SS has with the Buzzz.

[@jackdonkey22]

Kona was probably worth it at the time of signing.

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

Cigarra, translation of Cicada in Spanish? ¡Correcto! I’m very fluent in Spanish (mom’s Mexican and I lived in Mexico for 30 years! Went to school there … I did not know about Cigarras … I thought it was pot slang for cigarro (hehehehehe) sorry to self

[@RPMdiscgolf]

I’ve talked to a number of emporia disc golfers on the team. DD did absolutely nothing for the team. Innova offered like the basics, shirts and maybe a couple disc or at least a discount. DD did none of that

[@connerwilliams9446]

I don’t think people aren’t buying signature discs from a player if they already get paid a big salary. Look at Simon - everyone knows his contract and how much he’s salaried for, but his signature discs sell like crazy.

[@lynch42o]

People like him. He has a big following on social media. Makes sense.

[@Steventhrowsbirds]

This will be my last year attending or watching the pro coverage. I’m not going to invest my time or money on people that continue to skip us on the tour. I’ll be going to Portland again this year but I’m done with this shit.. everyone we watch online and support through views and sales chose to skip our stop. Always talking about trying to grow the sport but you are literally the main reason it’s not growing like it could. If people buy Patrick’s KC jersey and he decides to skip a game because he’s not feeling it… he will surely hurt his fan base. Brodie.. skips.. Jerm… skipped the tournament to do coverage on it.. Uli is the only one that continues to come through for his fans.

[@dramajdk]

The entire appeal of DD was the personalities and good people who were the face of that company. I used to love watching all their KZbin content and the family feel of the company but once they sold out to venture capitalism all that changed and the appeal evaporated.. then they start putting out like $35 TS discs.. yikes. R.I.P. DD

[@jackdonkey22]

Did MVP hook up big Jerm with any 3d printing plastic?

[@spinningcirclesdg]

I feel like Brodie needs to take a page out of the debate night guys and do some actual research before commenting on certain subjects. The reason there's an Innova partnership with the Emporia University Team is because the team wanted to throw Innova discs, not DD. Eric McCabe has already clarified this previously before this podcast came out. Just saying dude, the info has been out there for a while

[@TheAeroRising]

As cool as learning new discs can be, let's be honest. If Innova offered more years and/or money, Jerm stays. All the other stuff about what MVP had to offer means nothing. Shoot, every Innova run of the same disc is damn near completely different every year. You have to relearn every Thunderbird. Lol