Heidenau K60 SCOUT vs Motoz TRACTIONATOR GPS | Battle of the 50/50 Dual Sport Tires

[@RIDEAdventures]

So what team are you on? Team Motoz or Team Heidenau?

[@SamiNami]

Haven't tried either. Currently on Mitas-e07 and loving em.

[@RandyMcCotter]

Team Mitas actually

[@bradleyalexander5821]

Team Motoz 👍🏼

[@tahoehiker]

I've only tried the K60 scout. Specifically the Cold Climate. Absolutely loved it. Currently running the Mitas E07 because I heard such good things about it. They are not true. I'll be switching back to the Scout soon.

[@RandyMcCotter]

@@tahoehiker …. What don’t you like about the EO7? I love mine except the constant air leaks around the rim

[@johnkenny3495]

I am currently in the middle of a 5 month solo trip through South America, on my Tenere 700 equipped with the Heidenau K60 Scouts. I've put about 8,500 km on them so far with I estimate about half their life left. So I'm pretty happy with the longevity. I didn't want to have to change tires down here. I've been about 80% on pavement, but here in South America gravel is part of life on the road. And I'm 66 - old and slow and happy about it. I'm not the best judge of off-road capability. Though I've been riding for over 50 years, most of that has been on street bikes. I only bought the Tenere, my first non-street bike, a year and a half ago specifically for this trip. I like the Heidenau's better than than the Perelli Scorpion's the bike came equipped with. I've dumped 3 times so far on this trip, but I would attribute that to my lack of off-road experience rather than the tires. The previous 30 years (and over 500,000 km) were on a series of Gold Wings. It didn't keep me off the gravel, but I didn't enjoy it. I'm learning and my skills are improving.

[@WhereintheWorldisGaspari]

Hi. I’ve been riding on the Motoz tractionators with my GS 1200. Had them installed in La Paz Bolivia Nov 2021. Traveled through Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia up to Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras El Salvador, Guatemala and now I’m in southern Mexico ready to head home to Canada. So far I have just under 12000k on the tires and they still look new. I’ve kept my tire pressure up to 42 rear and 36-38 front because of the weight I’ve been carrying.

[@owenlushadv]

You mean we can’t have one tire that performs absolutely phenomenally in mud, ice, sand, pavement, gravel, basically every surface... AND have it last 20,000 km regardless of riding style??? .... say it ain’t so lol great review!!! Always appreciate the reality of the reviews you do.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Thanks, and very well-put. Some haters are really just inspiring the tire manufacturers to work harder.....right : )

[@irondog45]

I have been running the MotoZ GPS for the past four years on my Multistrada Enduro Pro. I traveled from Dallas Texas to Deadhorse Alaska down the peninsula to Homer and back to Texas via the New Mexico BDR (11,800 miles) on one set of GPS in the 50/50 direction only changing air pressure when needed. My bike weighed in at 933 pounds with all gear not including me in full gear at 185. I ran 32 pounds in the rear and 30 in front on paved roads and in the mid and gravel roads which was about 2500 miles in the trip I dropped the rear to 22 pounds and front to 20. They worked amazingly. At speed the front tire was quite noisy with a steady hum but that was negligible when on a twin with full system exhaust. I road at speeds exceeding posted limits through Nevada in temps over 100 and through Canada and Alaska in temps below 20 degrees Fahrenheit and torrential downpours. Never slipped I also road two up from Reno Nevada to Portland Oregon with my sister who weighs 120 and we were bought in a freak snow storm on May 5 in Northern CA to Klamath Falls OR where we road through over six inches of snow for 165 miles. The sketchiest ride ever. Again the tires performed amazingly.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Great report, thanks for sharing. They've made a great tire in that GPS model.

[@JDT64]

Just curious, why are you using such low tire pressures, particularly when on pavement?

[@maldeplume1674]

I ride in Oz (MotOz) and love long distance dirt on my GSs. I have been using K60s since 2008 and have enjoyed the ride, longevity and handling of them. They have changed compounds a few times over the years and one compound developed vibration at around 4000kms and then as they wore down some more, the vibration disappeared - a bit weird. I haven't experienced that again, so they must have changed again. I have always liked the central rib, not only for wear, but stability in slop! Recently I signed up for a 3part ride of our Great Diving Range (7500kms) and partof the deal was a free rear MotOz Tractionator. It's the first time I've had one on my 2014 R1200 GSA. So far I'm impressed and it appears to be wearing well and an added bonus, I'm buying Australian next time too!

[@done4210]

I must say I have never ridden on Heidenau’s, but I love my Tractionator GPS’ on my GSA. I have over 14,000 miles on my latest set that was ridden from the Hudson Valley to the Arctic via the Dempster (11,500 mile trip) and back in every weather from hotter than H%&* to rain to snow and freezing temps, speeds in the 80’s to deep gravel and mud. Using these as a street touring tire I've loved every minute on these tires. I have ZERO complaint about these tires. I do find them to be the most reliable and predictable tires I have ever ridden on in my 4 plus decades of riding motorcycles. I know that whatever I throw the bike at these tires get me through it. I’ll replace them in the spring not because there is anything wrong nor are they worn too thin. I’ll replace them with a new set just because.

[@davidb9323]

A comment above said they were a nightmare in wet weather. Is that true ?

[@benjaminbonner6773]

Have been running Heidenau k 60's for the last few months, in the Ozark Mtns. Arkansas. I had a rock puncture in the first 500 miles on the rear, fresh graded gravel road. Plugged it and still going strong after 5,000 miles now. Really like the performance in the front and rear tires. 50/50 on off road, no serious trails some muddy forest roads. I will be going with these tires next round too.

[@vanislerider7311]

I ran Heidenau on my dl 1000 over 11000k before I sold it. The tires were still in great shape. I road dry, wet, gravel. slime, and snowy roads throughout the Canadian Territories, Alaska, and the Pacific West Coast. They are a great tire. I've since added them to my dr 650 and rode home on them a few km with a flat with no damage to the tire walls. I will also be asking them to carry me on my next adventure ride to Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territories in 2022 where the Dempster Hwy has a bitching reputation of cutting up tires from the volcanic material used in the road construction and a slimy surface that keeps 4 wheelers on their toes. But one thing is sure, this toughness means you'll likely need 3 tire levers to repair a tire as they fit tight.:-))

[@myronhorvathsk]

So how did it hold up going up to Tuktoyaktuk last summer?

[@vanislerider7311]

@@myronhorvathsk I was happy with the performance. It's a tough tire. I've got about 10k on the front and 6500k on the rear and I'll get another season of riding out of it. I would like to try the new Heidenau K60 Ranger next. That tire looks a little more aggressive of off road.

[@myronhorvathsk]

@@vanislerider7311 good to hear that. The K60 Ranger comes in 17” for the DR650. I’ve got Metzler Karoo Street tires on my ATAS and I’ve been debating if they’ll make it to Tuktoyaktuk and back. To me they look to have decent tread on them even with some depth to the tread. Still deciding to try them for the trip or not. If spring ever gets here I’ll see how they do in gravel first of all. It’s a brand new bike sitting at the dealer here yet till I can ride it home. Winter is holding strong here yet.

[@willmallmes4138]

I had a great debate on these 2 on my 2020 KTM 790 adventure. In the end I decided on the old favourite the heideau and couldn’t be more pleased! I currently have 16,000km and have riding a pretty even 50/50. I am a VERY aggressive rider and was actually very impressed with the overall performance of the tires. The road handling and noise were really only slightly different than the stock Avon 80/20s that ca e with the bike. Off road I could not believe the places I have been. Really in my opinion these tires are the absolute best option unless a person wants to run 2 different sets. Overall, I have nothing to complain about aside from what was mentioned about install. I had a dealer install and had to take the front wheel back, as it didn’t seat properly on the rim. That is the only issue I’ve ever had and again have ridden my bike like a 450 dirt off road everywhere, rocks, sand FSRs with great performance

[@RIDEAdventures]

EXCELLENT point I can't believe we forgot to mention: On tubeless wheelsets, stiff hard carcasses and beads like these tires have sure can be a challenge to seal against a rim, if the rim has any dents or imperfections. So, keep your wheelset in good shape, folks, or be ready for possible bead leaks. --- Thanks for sharing, Will.

[@f18a]

I don't know how such a long, carefully-produced review can omit so much. Front tires? Highway noise? Traction by surface? Efficacy of turning the Motoz to 80/20 mode? Crickets. BTW, I love this channel and Eric's knowledge is awesome. But I think a review needs more teeth and less smile.

[@christopher54179]

I run the GPS on a 21 F850 GSA Done 7000 km and only very slight sign of wear in centre. Most riding so far in tarmac. Am extremely pleased with performance on loose gravel. Very quiet and predictable. On my previous R1250 GSA I ran TKC 80 and Adventure Wild. I will never go back to those tyres unless for a one off event. 100% converted. Thanks for the great demonstration.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Yea, we used to have to bring an extra set of TKC80's for every single bike on our Patagonia tours, as 1 set typically wouldn't last. Sure, they're nice and sticky and a good tire, but other tires like the GPS and K60 Scout are as well, and of course last much longer. Thanks for commenting.

[@loumif3591]

Having had both on my KTM 1190 Adventure I agree completely with your review. For the last 2 tire changes, I have had the Tractionators and have found it to be a solid tire in all conditions. Front lasted as much as 2 rear with 36000Km on it. !st rear had 19000km and 2nd 17000km.

[@marshallfischer3667]

I've had three sets of K60 for my 2004 BMW 1150 I've had no problems in the rain, though THEY WERE CANYON CARVING BRILLIANT.. . Mud on the other hand......

[@t3-tofinototuk.333]

I've run Heidenau on both my Vstrom 1000 and DR 650. They have performed very well and have chalked up great longevity. The K60 took me to the Arctic Ocean this past June on the Dempster Hwy (1800km of gravel) with no failures, handling wet, sloppy, volcanic rock roads, muskeg and snow covered roads. A great tire.

[@M_Williamson]

Motoz on an Africa Twin. No complaints and great in the rain. Haven’t needed to change them out yet so I’m not sure of the mileage yet. Over 10K miles so far, but still lots of wear to go.

[@AT2021Rocker]

Ran a scout on my 2013 klr, fully loaded, asphalt, dirt, rocks with no complaints!

[@RIDEAdventures]

RIDE on!

[@galehess6676]

I've researched for days and spoken with shops/friends. Sounds like K60 and Tractionator GPS wear great on 100F+ roads, but slide in the rain/cold which you can hit on any ride out west with elevation. The Shinkos wear faster, but that's cheap insurance and a must if you have to go to work in the morning or might lose your business if you slide out. I've gotten 5k on a bias 805, 4k on 2 radial 805's (would have done 5k but I took off early) and 5k with a bias 705 that would do 5,5k except I got a hop in the hoop/bare tread spot. Sticking with safety and grip.

[@paulherron4289]

Motoz tractionator GPS on a Africa Twin front and rear 7000 miles still looks 75% run em at 32psi been great on and off road with the exception of deep sand. Front is sketchy in the sand! Back just keeps going in sand. No mud experience. Thanks for the comparison!

[@stendak]

I've used both on my KLR 650 and will be getting GPSs in the future

[@gabutreras]

I have a KTM 990 Adventure, I mounted MotoZ Tractionator GPS both front and rear on 32 and 34 PSI, they are hard to get confidence on wet pavement specially when riding on twisties at 40 to 50 MPH. You have to slow down a bit as with other set of tires at any brand. Thanks for the review.

[@ernier9033]

I've used Continental TKC80 a lot and I never slow down in the rain - the rear tire may occasionally water-plane (ease off throttle briefly) but the front never does. This is on a BMW R100GS/PD.

[@krisleblanc2247]

2020 Africa Twin - have run both. Much prefer the Motoz

[@dhbwveitschenk9592]

personal experience with the Tractionators mounted on a GS-Adventure: fabulous in the dirt and dry roads, downright dangerous on wet roads, especially when you have tar-snakes (but, thinking about it, they were rubbish on pretty much anything wet - the rubber is just too hard). it's not a really a criticism, but a "characteristic" of the tire: the hard rubber buys you endless mileage (they really are extremely hard-wearing) at the expense of any sort of wet-surface performance

[@chrisvonkleist3984]

Dangerous? Sounds like you need some riding lessons.

[@kymstock1852]

@@chrisvonkleist3984 No I have a mate on a 990 who said the same thing (mounted road orientation) . I used the GPS in the off road orientation on my TIger 800 and did not notice the wet surface slipping

[@TheIdlesurfer]

I don't have the Motoz but I had the same experience with the K60s. They were horrible on wet tarmac. In a warm, dry climate they're a good tyre. Cold and wet, not so much. With traction control and ABS they'd be okay I think. My bikes are simple with neither.

[@davidbones8947]

The scout reads harder than the OZ

[@mattbrodacki4980]

Have been on k60 on a 02 bmw 1150 - 2 sets about 20k miles in everything up here in northeast USA. Switching to 2022 cb500x this year I think but def swapping out tires… love your content and hope to get on one of your trips too! Thanks for all you do for the community, you are a true veteran that can teach us all valuable info as a pro guide and lots of time around the world at a set of handlebars!

[@RIDEAdventures]

Matt, congrats on the new bike, the CB500X is getting requested more and more in our rental operations. Great bike, what a great value. ---- Thanks for your notes and feedback about the videos. So glad if the info helps anyone, cause we have fun making them. ---- See you on tour one of these days, greetings from Oregon! --- Eric

[@CarstenDohrmann]

Have used the Heidenau Scout on my F650 Dakar in Thailand and Cambodia, a solid tire with no complains, besides, the first ca. 300 km are not rain 🌧️ friendly but then it is as good as you can get it on any rain. However, I switched to Mitas E-07, simply for availability here in Thailand, Heidenau had only one sales point in Bangkok, Mitas is everywhere including Chiang Mai in the north where I'm living now. Mitas E-07 is an equal great choice with plenty of joy on and off road, gravel, rocky and the usual broken concrete road, not really confidence building in sand and mud. I'm driving the E-07 on my Africa Twin and had never to stop anywhere because of the tire grip. Same goes for the Heidenau Scout. It's simply a question of availability in your place and your size. My 10 cents on that topic.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Nice part of the world you have there to ride in! Thanks for sharing.

[@infinion3]

Good review, thanks for the detail. Im on 10800 miles on the GPS, absolutely love them, cant wait to replace them with a new gps. i am agresive on the twisties on the r1250gs, and these tires impress. ive done lots offroad also, always hooked never slipped.

[@vods75]

Question mate, are U running the tyres on the 50/50 direction or the 80/20 direction ?

[@manoloorz]

kyle bradshaw on some of his tire reviews have said that 30psi front and rear is a great compromise to have good performance on and off road without having to air down for off road and then air back up for the road, i don't know about bikes with tubeless or heavier bikes, but on my tenere, with tubes and riding always alone, mostly with light or no luggage i find that to be the goldilocks zone that allows me to go everywhere i want to without worrying for loosing grip due to having too much pressure off road or loosing stability on the road because the pressure is too low

[@terrywest5735]

I've got about 6K miles on my 2021 T7 and the tires are near 50% gone. I do approximately 60/40 offroad and normally run about 10 mph above the speed limit on tarmac and would consider my onroad style as a little aggressive. I am an average (B) dirt bike rider off road and ride my T7 accordingly. I really like the Heidenaus and will replace them with more when these wear out. I run 30 PSI front and 33 PSI rear, everywhere.

[@aussiefarmer8741]

I have the Heidi on my DR650, Its served me well. I run it with lower pressures for grip but still getting good miles. However i don't give them a hard time like your tour mob. Good vid.

[@reesfullmer1194]

It sounds like I have a choice between great (K60), great (Motoz) and great (Mitas E07) tires. I put 8K miles on K60's riding in Utah on my KLR ,and I've currently got 6k on E07's with lots of tread left. Broke bones on both of them! I'd be happy to go with either brand again or try the Motoz just for fun. I run 21/29 psi on the KLR.

[@galehess6676]

broke bones... did they slide out? In heavy loaded touring, I ran 3 sets 805 and 1 705 and found grip to be exceptional in ALL conditions including sand/wet (except mud on 705, no bueno) in the west on one trip and in CO on the 705 with steep loose rocky passes on and off BDR.

[@soltankrak]

I am currently running Anakee Adventures on my 2021 r1250gsa and find them to be really nice all around. On my previous 2008 r1200GS I ran the Scouts for a few seasons and found them to be squirrelly on the seattle streets when wet. Think I may give the Motoz GPS a try on upcoming trip to AK.

[@morkys2410]

Tire weight is a huge factor that is missed in most tire reviews. I find many tires are too heavy. Take the Trailmax Mission tires. Stock Metzler Tourances on my Scrambler 1200 weigh 24 lbs a pair. The Dunlops weigh nearly 30 LBS! Not only does the added rotating weight likely reduce acceleration, I also notice it greatly affects the bikes handling. You could argue that the tourances are mostly road tires. Then why does my Anakee Wild rear tire only weigh 15.4 lbs? Even less than the Tourance. Anyhow, reviewers should start factoring in tire weight in reviews.

[@morkys2410]

Also, front and rear tires differ greatly. I have chosen my rear tires for both street biased riding trips (TKC70 Rocks) and off road biased riding trips (Anakee Wild), however; I have yet to decide on a front tire. I am looking for decent traction and performance but trying to avoid the heavier tires. I am seriously consider the Heidenau K60 front or Motoz Tractionator GPS front. This review doesn't seem to mention the front tires (did I miss a brief part of the video?) at all so I cannot draw any conclusions from this video.

[@lucbrouillette5021]

K60's. 3rd set on a 1987 100k km 600 Transalp (mechanically restored). I made the rear wheel tubeless for a 2000km gravel road trip (Trans Taiga) this summer. Sooo happy I did. Changing an inner-tube with litterally clouds of bugs would have been......humm unpleasant! I get about 18-20 000 km on fronts and 12 000 km on rear. Smaller 130 sized rear, so no continuous central rubber. Yes, bring 3 tire spoons to handle the job, they are stiff!

[@jimpartin1144]

I have the tractionator gps mounted in the mostly off-road direction on my Rally Raid CB500x. I haven’t yet taken a trip yet and have been running 32 psi in the tire and seems to be working well on both dirt and paved surfaces.

[@jnel57]

I use the K60’s and your review is spot on . I ride a ATAS and I run 32psi on and off road. These tires are noisy and vibrate but they are 50-50

[@RIDEAdventures]

Glad if you're enjoying them, maybe try the Tractionator GPS sometime just for a comparison. Thanks for commenting and watching.

[@SSN70]

like to see these against the Dunlop trailmax ! 🍻

[@AT2021Rocker]

Trailmax suck!

[@sipeb7543]

I really enjoy your videos. Very entertaining and provide sensible advice.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Thanks for saying so!

[@MrBeltaine]

Ive been off 2 wheels for 10 yrs. Picked up used 900 rally pro came that with E07s. Never played in dirt so I have nothing to compare them to. No complaints on or off road. Good to know that there a quality alternatives out there. Thanks for your review

[@nicholascurrymaciel761]

On my KLR I had the base K60s and I absolutely loved them. They offered plenty of traction on and off road. Gravel forest roads, muddy slick track, dry dirt uphill climbs, rainy commuting on city streets, ect. When I got my Africa Twin it had Motoz Tractionator Adventures and I also loved those. I did the Washington BDR on those tires and also commuted on them but I did notice they were pretty noisy on the road with a loud whine. I now have Shinko 804/805 on the Twin and I'm not that happy with them. I bought them so I could ride the bike at the Oregon sand dunes since they were as close as you can get to a paddle tire and they did great! Yes a 500lbs+ bike on sand dunes! I now commute 60 miles a day almost all freeway 70-85mph 4 days a week and do a lot less trail riding than I did and want different tires. I'm also about to do the Idaho BDR in Sept 2024. I'm leaning towards the K60 scouts. I think they will offer me the on road performance I need for all my commuting but also give me enough traction for dry offroad conditions. I wouldn't expect them to do good in the wet offroad environment of SW Washington rainy season but I will put the Shinkos back on for those days. Loved this comparison between the tires and subscribed to the channel. I'll need to flip through all your other videos now!

[@yaakobbaharom7881]

Hi Eric nice to hear from you again , reviewing about which tire to use. TQ hi from yaakob 🇸🇬

[@RIDEAdventures]

Ya'akob, thanks for watching, hope the info helps : )

[@jurgenseeger1138]

After having had a puncture (long cut) with the K60 Scout rear tyre on my AFRICA Twin CRF 1000 L I managed to return 8km in difficult terrain and another 10 km on pavement without any scratches on the rim. So I wasn’t lost in the middle of nowhere as the tyre was unrepairable. The cut caused by an sharp piece of metal was to long. Great tyre.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Yea, RIDE on! Stiff tires have their downsides, but sometimes the upsides as well. Thanks for sharing.

[@khm171]

I have recently fitted a pair of heidenau k60 scouts (without the continuous centre strip) to my crf 250l. The all up weight of bike/rider is around 500lbs. My theory is they will act like car run flats, avoiding on the trail puncture mending. I ride in the UK where you are never any great distance from help. What do you think?

[@SS-jd3zy]

Agree! Been running Dunlap Trailmax for about 3000 miles. Great tires! Even on slick Ga clay! The side tread is great for going thru ruts! I had k60 Scout b4 Dunlap. They felt great on street, but no so much traction on nud. The front tire wore really wierd! Even BMW shop couldnt explain it. After about 3k miles, the tread wore uneven! May have been a defect, but the company didnt offer to replace!!

[@steveaustin1820]

Got over 10K on my first set of TKC70...awesome in the downpour.

[@estoguy]

I have only recently heard of Motoz recently, so I'm not familiar. I had a set of K60s on my Vstrom 650 my second season and a bit of riding. I got about 16K km (over 9.5K miles) on the rear, and nearly double that on the front tire - I never pressured down the tires, and was usually running them at the Suzuki recommended pressure or slightly (1-2psi above). Yes, the rear tire does flatten out, but it still performed great right to the end. I rode it until the center strip was flat. The front tire did have some cupping on the edges by the end, but nothing that really took away from the overall performance. The way the front tire is, it is kinda loud, but if you're using ear plugs and have some music on via a Packtalk or something, it's really not that bad. PERSONALLY, I had no issues with the cold weather performance. I started my second season in Central Ontario, Canada in March that year, and never had an issue. My coldest day on them was around -7C, and my daily ride was on a fairly twisty road. No complaints or issues. I found the on-road performance great for what this tire is. I could lean right into the twisties all day long and felt totally confident. In Canada at least, the K60 is a much better value for the $. On some sites, the Motoz is going for up to $100 more for a rear. I don't think that 16th of an inch more rubber will really wind up being worth it. Just my 0.05... no more pennies in Canada anymore. ;)

[@bostjandomjan6166]

Hy there... I've been riding the scout for 5 years 50k km on all surfaces with my ktm 990adv and it was great performimg. Now on ranger, except for longevity it's even better.

[@RanYaar]

riding 1200gs. Had both tires (rear & front). Your review is quite nice. I would add that Moto Z last me longer and much quieter on the highway

[@HK-qj4im]

Great review. It's great to have options. My 2022 KLR 650 is getting Heidenau. The stock tire will be kaput by 4000 miles.

[@lynwoodspire8503]

I have a K60 Scout on the rear of my KLR and it is really a great tire for almost any terrain other than sticky clay.

[@Pcfly]

K60! Back in 2011-2017 there was no such thing as a MotoZ GPS and people forget that! Basically you can thank Heidenau for 90% of the 50/50 tire market today…….they brought the competition along when the choices of tires back then were a TKC80’s or a Tourance tire! I’ve ridden the K60 on a 2008 BMW 1200GS, with a good amount of dirt and saw north of 12,000 miles…….that was unheard of!!! Today I’ve ridden K60’s on both AT and ATAS and again, with more street the tires good from 8,000-11,000 miles. I’ve tried the MotoZ GPS and that tires a bit louder on the road due to the flat squared middle pattern 90degress to the travel direction of the road. The K60 is the clear winner in my book…….California to Alaska and back on one tire! Nobody had that option before. As for gripes…..yes, It’s a pain in the ass to change! It’s also a tire you’ll get strong opinions on. It’s been beaten to death on ADVrider but it’s an amazingly simple tire for people that just ride and do less talking!

[@RIDEAdventures]

Well said, and an appropriate nod to what Heidenau brought to the market. Thanks for sharing.

[@highlightfilmstv]

I ran the Heidenau scouts on my Dr650 here in Queensland Australia. Absolutely brilliant tire. Good wear and longevity. The heat in Queensland(sub tropical) does help with grip. I did come off once behind a cattle truck that was spewing urine out the back. It just took the front wheel out and my shoulder LOL. Recommended thumbs up.

[@paulleeson250]

MotoZ gave me over 8000 fully loaded kms last season on a 50/50 mix of logging and ranch roads and pavement, fully loaded on a 650 V Strom. That’s over 350 lbs load. No noticeable decrease in tire tread and configuration of the tread. Easily another 8000 km to go.

[@jaysonjones2846]

I'm thinking the Bridgestone Battleax Ax41 Adventure is the best on the market. 6000. Could get 1000 more on road. I've tried them all.

[@pjakszentis]

I can comment on the K60 with the open pattern in 140/80 18 on the KTM 690 only. In total I guess I rode about 80,000 km. Half in sunny Mexico and the others in European mixed conditions, almost the entire year. The K60 works well on gravel and rocks, but not really well in mud. But that’s no surprise looking at the pattern and the 50/50 use. For adventure touring the K60 with Michelin UHD tubes and slime in case of a puncture has work without any need for road side repair. Highly recommended!

[@jpaulie2008]

I think the Motoz fits me. I am mostly 50/50 rider towards more asphalt than dirt. My bike is a CSC RX4. Not a real powerhouse,, but gets me where I want to go. I just need better than the 80 asphalt/ 20 dirt oriented tires that came on it.

[@verdonrocksphotography3510]

.... aaaand the winner is : Dunlop TrailMax Mission, lol, great comparison as always, thank you, cheers V!

[@RIDEAdventures]

Thanks for saying so. Yea, lots of folks liking that Dunlop.

[@rickvarsava2529]

Been using the K60 on my 05 R1200GS rear for years and had it on my 1090r rear for two years. Last year I put the GPS on my 1090r and I will be putting it on 1200 when the K60 needs replacing. I was fine with the K60 on my 1200, but not as much so on the 1090. For front tires, I run the TKC80 on the 1200 and I have the Motoz Adventure on the 1090.

[@timothybroga1704]

I run the Moto z adventure on my 690 I love the tire but the road noise is wicked

[@tomcomo7907]

I burned off a set of Motoz adventure tires and had to make this exact choice. I went with the GPS primarily for the switchable nature. So much smoother but that would apply to the Scout as well. It’s to early to say as I’ve not ridden them much yet. To me I see no downside on putting it 80/20. With that expressed I’m a new rider coming from the dirt bike side. I’ve just subscribed and will throw in my two cents once I have some serious miles on. I’m on a KTM 1190R. Cheers

[@RIDEAdventures]

Welcome aboard, and thanks for sharing now and in the future. RIDE on!

[@jonbaker7370]

I have used both and found that Motoz tires gets cracks in the casing between lugs deep enough to put a dime in. Never had a failure but is a bit unnerving. But I will likely still keep buying them the traction is good.

[@nyadver256]

TONS of respect to your videos, experience and willingness to be honest in all your videos. Have watched and enjoyed many! I have to say that flipping a tractionator around is not going to make it an 80/20 Off/On instead of 20/80. That tire, no matter which direction, will not compare to a dedicated 78/80/90% dedicated off road tire like a scorpion, d606 or even more aggressive. Maybe it improves the off road grip more, but to take it all the way to 80% off road worthy is a bit much :).

[@RIDEAdventures]

Thanks for saying so, more videos ahead! --- Without having a Tractionator in front of me, I think the sidewall says 50/50 and Mostly Off Road are the two options. You're right, definitely not a full knobby tire though with that connected center strip down the middle. But pretty close to say 80/20 off/on road. ---- Come out from NY sometime and ride the PNW!

[@CyberducPA]

i am in the Heidenau Corner, its a really good Tire. But if i get in Reach of a Tractionater i will give him a try... Good Video, i like it.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Yeah they are both excellent choices. Thanks for the comment!

[@aussiefarmer8741]

A very good appraisal I must say. I have the scout on my Dr650. Its done about 6k atm starting to show some miles but still ok. I don't go major off road, just dirt roads. Tyre pressure? I put my knee into it so it pushes in just a slight bit, not too hard or soft. A little give. I may try the other if its avail and the price is not over the top. We will see. Thanks.

[@DanieleCarnino]

Here in Europe Motoz are hard to find. So I went through probably 5-6 sets of K60 with my ktm 990 adventure before and ATAS and T7 now with no issue on almost any terrain (except mud). What I don't like of Heidi is the tendency to get squared of the rear tire. I recently found a good alternative on Mitas E07: less noisy, front seems to perform a little better. Excellent content as always, Jim!

[@RIDEAdventures]

Yes, the Mitas is a good one as well. Hopefully Motoz continues to expand and gain availability in Europe, cause if you like the E07, the Tractionator GPS might even be preferred. Thanks for sharing.

[@richardvalitalo3670]

I could not get Mitas E07, only. E07+ on the rear.

[@DanieleCarnino]

@@richardvalitalo3670 mitas e07 150/70 was discontinued but production was eventually reinstated in 2020

[@JohnSmith-ef8nr]

@@DanieleCarnino I don't like like E-07, didn't last long on my T7 and awfull on wet roads.

[@richardvalitalo3670]

Team Mefo Explorer 18000 km so far, lots of life left on rear. Front is done true 50/50 but not available anymore😕 (150/70 18) best rear I think! E07+ next Honda AT

[@scottlewis2372]

I've been riding Heide's for years on a KTM 1190R and a BMW 1150GS Adv and they are still my go-to. I would be willing to try the Motoz to see how I like the different, flatter, profile. I love TKC80 on the front, which lasts pretty well on the KTM but not so much on the BMW. For some reason the 21-inchers last better, perhaps because the lugs are smaller. I have switched to TKC70 for road-only trips, though. I'm on the lookout for a better balance between those two for the front. Thanks for the review.

[@stavrozinio]

well, 19in does more spins than 21in for same distance, pretty sure of that. I love tkc80 and anakee wild, you might maybe try wilds.

[@andrewdavis8137]

@@stavrozinio Nailed it.

[@Wintersdark]

Any chance of getting a review on how the Motoz GPS performs in each direction, on and off road?

[@RIDEAdventures]

We'll put it on the project list :) As a short answer though, and as perhaps one might imagine, the rear does "walk" a little more easily on the pavement under power. Probably cause it's stressing the leading edges of each lug a bit more then the actual meat of the lug when in the Mostly Off Road direction, and therefore.....on those edges....it's just a little easier to make it walk with lean or power.

[@tothebackofbeyond]

Great vid! We have been riding the past three years on Motoz Tractionator GPS tyres (amazing quality for long distance touring) and got on average 22 000Km on a set however on the last set we started getting large cracks and a bulge on the Motoz rear tyre. As i been hearing a lot of good things about Heidenau i though what the heck lets give em a try, so that is what i am currently trying and riding now. Its going to be interesting. Lets see how they compare.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Thanks for watching and sharing. Hope you like the Heide's : )

[@NagyFlorian]

I use K60scout on last 10 years, i buy motoz tractionator adventure to see how is it. For heidenau hands up!

[@rodrigofabregas7756]

Hi, and thanks for your video!. Right now I'm riding a MOTOZ Tractionator Adv. in the front of my 2018 KTM 1290 S.A.R., and the MITAS E07+ in the rear, after the rear is gone I'm thinking to go with the MOTOZ in the rear too (have another MITAS to kill first!). Hey...what kind of submarine was that at the end of the video???...LOL!!

[@AirborneMOC031]

The smaller sized K60 Scouts (yes, the retailer advertises them as 'Scouts') to fit bikes like the Yamaha WR250R dual sport/ADV do NOT have that continuous contact center strip. I know this after running three sets on my WR250R. They have still been a pretty good tire through the last three sets I've owned, but I'd like to find a front tire a lot more predictable on grit or gravel built up corners on forestry and logging dirt roads. Performance in mud and sand isn't a concern because there is very little of that here.

[@Speedytrip]

Excellent review. I used to love the K60 on my Triumph Scrambler 900. My only grip with them is they squared off bad within 4000km. If it wasnt from that it would be my go to tire for just about everything. The front would last close to 20000km.

[@rthorarensen]

I cut out of the middle of the Heidenau and it performs great. I ride about 50/50 here in Iceland.

[@RIDEAdventures]

The standard K60 (not the Scout version) comes without the middle strip. Hope it's available to you there. Thanks for sharing.

[@paulgardner5588]

@@RIDEAdventures What? I hadn't heard that. I thought it was a function of tire size. I'll have to check that out, because I love the K60s I put on my KLR (that I just sold because I bought a 2018 AT DCT). Hopefully I'll meet you at your training in Bend this summer. My brother and I are signed up and looking forward to it!

[@RIDEAdventures]

@@paulgardner5588, excellent, we see your names on the schedule for late June, and look forward to the fun and learning ahead!

[@rthorarensen]

@@RIDEAdventures I´m riding on the KTM 1290 Adventure R, 150-70-18. I would like to try the Scout Ranger next. But as you say so well in the video, nothing comes instead of a careful rider who shows caution in wet or slippery conditions. I love the Heidenau Scout. As a front tire I go with Michelin Anakee Wild. They are awsome, good grip in all condition, no noise and last long enough.

[@rupertsuzuki3376]

I just started on a set of K60 scouts but mine don’t have the solid center like yours, all blocks on mine. So far I like them over my Kenda Big Blocks or 244’s before that.

[@strokenumber3]

Nice review, haven't used either yet, sorry. My bike has IRC tires, they seem fine but I'm a slow rider.

[@Scofco]

Team Mitas E07 checking in.

[@RJ-pk7sn]

As usual, another thoughtful and enjoyable review.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Thanks for saying so!

[@Mightycaptain]

I'm on team Dunlop Trailmax Mission. 😂

[@RIDEAdventures]

Hearing/reading good things about it from lots of riders. Thanks for watching.

[@jonboobalot]

Same. Does incredible on my KTM 950 blasting hwy and my semi pro racer buddy mobbed the 950 through some rough Nevada dirt and rocks no problem. Seems the blessed 50/50 to me. 💫

[@wedged4826]

I have a set of Trailmax on my Tenere, and I love them. I rode supper cautious when I first put them on, but have not had any issue with them off-road.

[@supersookify]

@@RIDEAdventures Thanks for the excellent real world review, offering useful insights for those looking for a new set of adventure tires! Are you planning to do some tests with the Dunlop Trailmax Missions in the future? Love to hear about your experience with those as well!

[@RIDEAdventures]

@@supersookify, thanks for that great feedback. --- Yes, enough folks have mentioned the Trailmax Mission that we should probably have a closer look. At first glance (never having held or ridden one) it doesn't appear to be a profile or tread design that matches our typical routes as well as the Tractionator GPS does, but looks can be deceiving, so please stay tuned for a report : )

[@robertmccrea1136]

I have 6000 on my h. Scout. Love the tire, it does flatten at 6000. Usually ride 50/50. On bmw 850 gsa. When it flattens it seems to roll over quickly on the paved turns. Would like to try the motor next 6000. Let u know...

[@RIDEAdventures]

Thanks bud. We'd love to hear your personal experience on the two. Keep us in the loop

[@jrodriguez8216]

Thank you sir for the excellent review, this helps me in my selection.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Awesome to hear bud!

[@brettmatson9052]

Dr 650 .GPS.great show again

[@zombiewoof5257]

As I ride all year long I'm looking for the 50/50 tire that performs best on cold wet pavement. All tips are welcome and appreciated.

[@DuffyLasker]

like you i'ride 50/50 at best ... i chose the Motoz gps due to that fact. however, when i am off road i seem to run into more 'aggressive' conditions. i switched the Motoz into 'mostly off road' configuration and will probably not experiment with any other tire... the off-road only has kept me rubber side down every where. now, the front tire is another story. i was not impressed by the gps front (nor the Heidenau front) ... i even talked to a Heidenau rep who said that a lot of riders reverse the Heidenau front tire for more traction (no negative reports from riders). quite by accident i ended up with a Mitas E07 front tire and absolutely love the combo with the Motoz ... no tracking issues so far, no weather issues so far, but too soon for mileage report. i like this setup, suggest it if someone is looking around

[@RIDEAdventures]

Interesting, never heard of reversing a front before, but hey, if it works for some folks. Thanks for sharing.

[@eriknash8783]

I’m curious of your thoughts on the change of onroad behavior when you flipped the GPS rear to off-road direction

[@vydwka]

I use Heidenau k60 Silica 2023... the stickiest tire ever made... the rear tire started to wear off after 1000 km. I still belive that is a genius tire, but now i know, next set up it will be heidenau k 60 scout on rear, heidenau k 60 silica on the front. Before heidenau i had pirelli skorpion, shit grip tire even on dry asphalt, i've changed them at 10-20% wear off. Practicaly brand new. I have 120 kg, when i break, i need to stop. Thank you Heidenau!

[@roycewist3476]

I'm riding a 2023 Tiger 900 RP. What do you recomend for a matching front tire for the MOTOZ Tractionator and the Heidnau K60? F: 90/90-21, R: 1150/70-17.

[@BMWworldstickers]

I ride Gs1250adv( live in UK). I have Motoz gps at this moment. But in the last two sets, in the rear one, cuts appear in the tyre that are so deep and dangerous. Dindn’t do off rd at all, 5000 ml. With lots of tread at this moment and ill have to change it but I’m afraid after 2 sets ill not use them again.

[@mervbendall]

Good evening all, I,ve just gone to the Motoz in 50/50 mode and running them at 30 psi with no problems. How ever the front is not as good for grip and very poor off of the tarmac. Tyres are on my KTM 790. Would re: buy a rear but look for a different front. mb

[@RIDEAdventures]

Hmm. Maybe pressure-down the front a little more? Careful for the obvious reasons, but hopefully that helps the front feel like it matches the rear better. Thanks for sharing.

[@richardvalitalo3670]

Motoz adventure is a better match for offroad IMO

[@salvadorvaldez6244]

I have used both on my 1200GS and have used them in other bikes as well in US, Baja, and Chile. IMHO they’re better tires out there but the Heidenau’s has done well for me. My only set of MotoZ has a disaster. Chunks of rubber came off the rear tire the front tire didn’t do as well as expected on dirt. Between these two tires the Heidanau’s easily takes it. Thanks

[@RIDEAdventures]

Interesting, yes we've been hearing a lot about Motoz chunking off or having some premature cracks. Curious, which model of Motoz did you have? The tractionator GPS? Adventure? Desert H/T's?

[@johnmagnusson9289]

2019 KLR, Scouts, 29 psi.

[@DawaiMulders]

I have the Heidenau 130 wide on the back tire. It has no middle stripe. Ride them on a Yamaha XT660Z Tenere.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Probably the K60, not the K60 Scout. Another good option, hope you're enjoying it.

[@DawaiMulders]

It is a K60 Scout but smaller dan 150 the middle stripe disappears and it wil be only blocks.

[@LuisAlejandroTorresO]

What about the front tire pattern, which one has more grip?

[@RIDEAdventures]

Extremely similar tread patterns, it almost looks like one copied the other. Same grip overall to me.

[@TheDacane]

Despite the extra tread depth i believe the k60s still last longer as they are a harder compound than the gps. The GPS like the Mitas attempted to and succeeded in moving into the k60s long life territory without feeling so plastic. The cold weather compound is just to make the k60 less dangerous in the wet and cold, this would maybe be comparible to the standard gps compound which already is a relatively high silica tire. The gps also has the biting edges at a 90 degree angle to rotation direction, this is likely to help solve the fishtail issues that all chevron style tires tend to have in soft terrain. Both the k60 and E07 are known to wander a bit because of the angled biting edges of the chevron. The decision to cheap out and use polyester on a premium high durability tire is also a bit of a yikes, but may explain why the k60 has a reputation of being the least punctureproof (Its still a heavy, hard ,strong tire) compared to the Mitas and Motoz. Ultimately all three or four of these tires (if you count mefo) are a cost saving measure over getting a much better performing Motoz Adventure. It loses a bit of mileage over the center strip tires on the road, but isnt ruined off road by having the meat of its traction essentially be a bald tire. The GPS tries to get around this with its flattish profile, and it helps but the hindrance is still noticable.

[@galehess6676]

I really appreciate your insights.. can you dissect the 805 and 705 as far as puncture resistance and (wet) grip compared to k60? I did 2-5k trips on 805 and 705 and have no issues with either, finding both super grippy and only a road puncture on the 805 bias after riding through a few hydroplaned cars in a crash on the PA Turnpike, at speed, pucker.

[@jjustj]

Africa twin second set of Mitas e 07s over 8 k on each but will try the Motoz next mounted for the dirt and see! :)

[@RIDEAdventures]

Let us know what you think, plz.

[@SamiNami]

Thanks for the video. What tire would you take trough Africa? Hot weather and needs to be long lasting cause it's hard to find tires. Money is not really a factor for me.

[@CommieHunter7]

Africa, if you're not gonna ride in the rain, is a place I'd consider the K60. But I'd prefer the motoZ, based on my own experience.

[@RIDEAdventures]

For temperature reasons, and the compounds both being on the "hard" side, pretty tough to say that either would be significantly better than the other. Good news is, you're right with either. Have fun!

[@23DuDe]

I don't think calling the Heidenau dangerous is exaggerated at all. My personal experience (and I've fine a few miles) I've never ridden on a tyre on wet tarmac that is close to being so bad as the K60 - yes I go as far as calling it dangerous. Comparable tyres, like the GPS that was tested, are nowhere near as bad as the K60. On other surfaces, the K60s are great.

[@galehess6676]

Thanks for the additional k60 slipping comment. Seems to be a trend. Probably like the Tractionator GPS, it wears well on 110F tarmac, but is not made to grip in cool rain...unless really warmed up with hard riding, but how, when it's wet?? I am going to pass on the long-wearing stuff, I'm usually only in 100F+ for a couple days a year. I've always run the grippiest, fastest wearing tires I could find, 3 sets 805 went 5k (bias), and radials went 4k, 4k and 705 bias went 5,5k and grip is exceptional on/off, wet/dry and rocks, sand, streams everywhere. Cheap insurance, and cheaper than the more expensive meats haha. I can use my friends shop for free, so I really should not get dumb about this.

[@jeffbrownell279]

Good info,I purchased a Africa twin in 2016 to ride wife around the back roads of Michigan.I only put 5k a year on but completely destroy a set of shinko 804/805 a year)5k and both ends are trashed).My riding is 95% 2 up with that bike.I would like tires that last longer because I change myself.I don't ride aggressive because my wife is on back but we explore a lot of dirt road/old logging roads but often a 50 to 100 mile ride on asphalt to get there.I do run into sand quite bit but this heavy bike not so good there(I tried a sand knobby off my yz and still just plowed lol).For what I told you do which tire do YOU think should be my next buy?.I would be happy if I could get 8k out of my tires and do this to give my wife some off highway adventure which she loves(she collects rocks and we go waterfall hunting in u.p of Michigan).

[@paulgoss7596]

all models I found for Motoz TRACTIONATORS are for tubeless..... your thoughts on running tubes in a tubeless tire?

[@RIDEAdventures]

Lots of them being run with tubes, are you sure you saw that right? It might also be that saying Tubeless on the side is just a declaration that it can be run that way. As an option.

[@TheSwellrider]

Good realistic review.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Glad if you enjoyed it, thanks for watching.

[@fltc80]

How does the GPS compare mileage & performance-wise when run reversed in the 20/80 mode

[@RIDEAdventures]

Interestingly, we have actually found a bit more mileage when running in the Mostly Off Road position. It seems to put emphasis on the outer lugs more that way, such that it wears out more evenly and lasts a little longer.

[@MrRabbitthumper]

Hi Eric and thanks for this video review. Always very helpful and appreciated. I would like to know your opiinion regarding the Heidenaus: I have an across-North America trip coming up soon on my 2019 AT-AS and I'm on the (sparse) market for new tires. I have found the Heidenau K60s available in my neck of the woods. MS quality is available for the rear tire but the front tire is only available in the regular. Do you see any issues in running the tires like this together: handling? feel while riding? (I also found the MOTOZ but the steeper price is not in the bank right now, but they were my 1st choice).I ride the bike ‘til mid November before the snow sets in, so the MS is not an absolute must for me but that’s what’s available. What do you think?

[@RIDEAdventures]

Roger, have fun on the voyage coming up, and while I've never tried a mixed combination like the one you mentioned (front/rear) I think the main thing would be to just keep it in mind....the fact that the tires aren't an exact match. And then the key thought there is: Your mission is to complete the journey in the upright position, and that NOTHING says you need to shave seconds off the clock in doing so : ) Hope that helps. - Eric

[@MrRabbitthumper]

@@RIDEAdventures Hey Eric. Thanks for the comments. Cheers!

[@Kgoose66]

2nd time watching this, still good info. I'm looking for new tires for my African twin.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Thanks for saying so!

[@mikekay6789]

Heidenau K60 SCOUT on a BMW F800 GS - not positive on the PSI but I think its 36. My opinion...tires wear out. I had the E07 on there - not great for tarmac....K60 better but I have not done real off road with it - and when this K60 wears out I'll try something else. Durability is really important to me...I am NOT a brand guy.

[@RIDEAdventures]

Fun to try and compare them, but so tough to say with certainty which is most durable, etc., as we never ride the same terrain twice : ) Thanks for sharing.

[@cherylvankerkhof825]

Great review . Real world experience

[@RIDEAdventures]

Thanks!

[@bogdandanailescu]

KTM 950, Heidenau K60 Scout, normal tyre pressure (I don't see any good reason to deflate a motorcycle tyre for off road). Very happy with them, I'm glad you are busting the wet pavement myth associated with the K60. Advice: don't ride like an idiot and you'll have lots of grip in any situation ;)