BMW Navigator V or VI Are they any different?

[@joshnnik]

I know this is two years old but it has still helped me to save several hundred pounds. After watching I opted to buy a used Nav V, it’s shortcomings seemed insignificant compared to the financial savings made. No regrets whatsoever. Thank you gents.

[@RiderCamTV]

Glad to hear it helped. Ride safe buddy

[@lonestartexasrider]

Really unbiased and funny comparison got me to laugh and get the info I needed as well. Well done guys 👍

[@GrumpyMan]

With the V, and Bluetooth headset, you can either listen to media from phone, OR from the Nav.. If you pair headset and phone to the Nav, you'll hear GPS prompts, and will see caller ID on the NAV, but music is only available if you have an SD card in Nav loaded with music. If you pair headset to phone and not the Nav, you'll hear your music from phone. I think that they've fixed this with VI. Basically most people want the nav as the "hub". I plan on testing this at the dealer with the '18 GSA with TFT. Great video as always!

[@RiderCamTV]

+Grumpy Man hey mate, thanks for the kind words. And for the tip of the nav being the hub. Playing around with settings at the mo :)

[@Mark_B544]

No there’s always been a workaround for that on the 5

[@SergioGalmeyerResende]

Thank you for the review. The music streaming is very important for the ones that have a radio on their bikes , like me with my RT. In the previous version when you got all paired, helmet, phone, GPS, and radio, you simple couldn’t use the streaming audio from the GPS. Now, on this version, you can because the Bluetooth unit is new and you can have that function also. Also the phone calls via the Nav are better and stable. Cheers,

[@maxflight777]

After selling my 5 on eBay and buying a 6 I can say the difference is absolutely huge! I’d strongly recommend upgrading, one of the best things you can do to your GS.

[@RiderCamTV]

Definately Max. The 6 is much much better. Whilst here in Spain and then to Portugal in a couple of days it’s really helping with dealing with the glare :)

[@rauljpla6785]

@@RiderCamTV Im looking to buy a 6 on ebay then sell my 5. Ebay used prices go from $400 to $900. I also noticed different part numbers ending 994 then 998 on the expensive ones. No numbers for the cheap ones are shown. Real OEM BMW parts site shows an even higher part number now on January 2021. Is there some info on the differences?

[@spikey2740]

Although not presently biking, I enjoy your trips and comments. A few months ago you had switched from Go-Pro to another camera, either because the former was having problems or the latter was performing better. I didn't bookmark it so getting back to that video is impossible. Would you be so kind as to repeat which camera you changed to, why, and how well is that working out. Thanks, and continue riding safely.

[@RiderCamTV]

Thanks for the kind words buddy. We are using GoPro’s although not all the time as well as Insta360 one cameras and iPhones. :)

[@tremorflow3614]

I am a little biased as a V user but I dont like the gloss on the VI, will wait for the VII to see if that changes before upgrading.

[@NorthTXMountainbiker]

The screen is nicer on the 6 than the 5, certainly. If I could make the swap for the same cost as you did, I'd probably upgrade, but I feel you're being a bit misleading by not acknowledging that, in the real world, it's a much larger expense to make the swap. Over here, the 6 is $950, and the 5 is selling for around $400-450 on ADVRider. I can't justify $500-$550 (390 pounds at today's rate) for a brighter screen and 5 seconds faster to load a route. Still, thanks for the video...it actually helped me decide the upgrade wasn't worth the cost.

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey there, thanks for the comments, the 6 is indeed brighter and quicker, and as Mark said in the video for him, the 5 is still fine and works well and he was like you, sticking with the 5 until he changes the bike or needs the 6. Ride safe and glad we helped with your decision. :)

[@maxflight777]

Nav 6 available widely for approx £530

[@NorthTXMountainbiker]

Max Flight that's about $750. I would consider it at that price, but I can't find it here for less than $899 currently.

[@maxflight777]

Art, you pay way less for the bikes than we do ... so I wouldn't worry about a few bucks ! Go for the upgrade, you wont regret it ! kindest rgds Stu

[@brendanpugh8429]

That was awesome fellas, Just ordered my 6 and found this really helpful. Keep up the good work and if your ever in Australia hit me up and we'll go for a ride.

[@RiderCamTV]

Excellent stuff. It’s a great bit of kit. Thanks for the kind words. Ride safe

[@theworldsbonkers]

Currently own a R1200GSA 2016 with Nav 5 went to look for a new helmet today at Allan Jefferies Yorkshire BMW Only gone and bought the 2017/18 Triple Black GSA with sat Nav 6 and new TFT screen your videos are great keep them up. Anyone up for a trip sometime next year SEP(Ish) to Auchwitz concentration camp.

[@RiderCamTV]

Expensive trip then ;) But it's worth it indeed. thanks for the kind words about the channel, glad your enjoying the videos.. we are all over europe next year and in Spain when you are talking about your trip :)

[@andrewtofts7884]

Very thought provoking video gents, thanks! I currently have the Zumo 660LM that has the same screen as Mark’s and I do get a lot of glare problems. I have been thinking about upgrading to a Navigator as I can’t use the wheel with my Zumo and talking to others that can use it say it’s brilliant, particularly for zooming in and out. I have had several experiences where this would have been useful as using my finger on the screen is not easy and a little unsafe. Think I need to research prices to try and get a good deal and will probably go for the 6 as you can really see the difference between the two screens on your video. What is Felix’s opinion as it was his upgrade that prompted Toby’s upgrade. Keep up the fine work guys. Cheers, Andy

[@RiderCamTV]

Thanks for the kind words Andrew. Felix is of the same opinion as Toby, its much faster, although not necessarily at the route planning as we showed on the video, but on re-calculating a route it is much faster and the scrolling in and out is so much faster and slicker. And when i used Felix's in Spain it was a god send, as the sun played no real part in obstructing my view of the map at all! Great bit of kit. I know that BMW are doing deals on them all the time as most dealers compete with each other, although check out a general search online as when i bought my 5 it was cheaper direct from Germany. Ride safe matey :)

[@rui_bras]

Nice review, really like the VI. Maybe you could make another video with a walkthrough features or tutorial? Would be nice. Thanks, Toby and Mark.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Rui C thanks matey. We are looking to do that in the future :)

[@stevedavies-pp7dp]

I bought a 6 and worked fine last summer but this year ( now January ) it’s started the ghosting issues 🤷🏻‍♂️ so options are obviously the new connected ride thing from BMW and having looked at others on KZbin I can’t say I’m impressed , certainly not enough to give BMW more of my hard earned . Chigee AIO5 looks kind of promising but they have a new AIO 6 coming out in June with a larger screen so obviously be silly to purchase ‘the old model’ now … or get my 6 repaired and that’s the option I’ve taken £99 and sent it off today but that’s got me wondering , presuming the new screen they fit ISNT a garmin screen ( as obviously they have issues ) then I wonder if the replacement screen is still better than the 5 ????

[@TheDervMan]

I do enjoy your special effects. Useful video, thanks RCTC.

[@RiderCamTV]

thanks matey, glad you like them ;)

[@garysmythe9545]

Interesting review - good vid thanks guys. As noted by Rui C would welcome a tutorial/tips on how best to use the BMW navigator particularly with your experience when using abroad.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Gary Smythe it’s on the way :). We have been talking about doing a tutorial type vid and just planning how to put it together :)

[@Yelwas]

@@RiderCamTV hurry with it please...pretty please kiss kiss

[@Rubiodiamante]

A nice and entertaining comparison to watch, guys. Have you tried using any antiglare or matte screen protectors to diminish the glare from the sunshine?

[@RiderCamTV]

thanks for the kind words. glad you enjoyed the video.. we havent tried any antiglare or screen protectors, other than the shade from Wnderlich, although dont really get an issue with the 6, much better screen and wirjs well in most conditions.

[@jjoosh9]

I know you guys did this video a while ago but i wanted to know if they both fit to the same cradle on the bike? i have a 5 you see and thinking of upgrading to a 6 thats all. If you could reply that would be fantastic. Thanks, josh

[@RiderCamTV]

no probs Josh, the Nav 6 has the same footprint to the Nav 5 so should fit the same cradle. Was like that for us and on the BMW's the cradles are all the same.. have a look at our video about the Garmin XT. Its only £350 in the UK and with an adapter which is about £70 you won't have to rewire anything and you will have a sat nav that doesn't freeze, works faster and is much better! :) hope that helps.

[@justinfontaine5539]

I got the last Nav V the dealer had when I bought my 2017 GSW and got it for about $500 less than the VI. I would have popped for the VI but it STILL has no XM radio built in like my 8 year old Garmin 665 ! I can't believe BMW has missed it again.

[@RiderCamTV]

Shame about the radio but but for me even though the 6 was a little more, managed to get it a little cheaper as they had a promotion on at the time and it’s much quicker. If I didn’t have to rely on it I would have stuck with the 5. That said the 6’s screen is much better in sunlight :)

[@jesselee5993]

Can the Nav6 and Garmin Zumo 595 fit in the same stock mount on the R1200GS Adventure?

[@battsonbikes1919]

we need to know !

[@lifes_an_adventure]

I’m wondering the same thing. Just bought a 2014 r1200gs but doesn’t have the Nav v. Does the nav 6 fit the same mount as the nav v?

[@FreZzaaa]

@@lifes_an_adventure yes

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I've now bought one and it's superb, however, I can't seem to change the last screen to show a digital speedo (using the trip computer page).

[@Mark_B544]

Need to swipe to the side or use multi wheel toggle

[@VickersDoorter]

Thanks for this guys. I've just bought an R1200RT and looking to populate the empty Nav slot. Your video, from around 7:30 onwards showed me that finding a used V on eBay would be a waste of time as the screen really is quite poor and performance tardy. The only dilemma is now is do I stump up nearly 600 quid for a VI, or just rig my nice bright iPhone and use Waze - which is brilliant when in the car and does live traffic re-routing and hazards ahead, which I'm not sure if the VI does?

[@zman92630]

I own a NAV V as my "go-to" and still have my NAV IV as backup (slow but works.) IMHO, based on all the things I've seen about NAV VI "screen ghosting" issues that, to this day, apparently are unresolved, my pick in the NAV V for reliability. It can work with Tracks and routes (aka "Trips") and will convert a Track to a Trip. I store tons of MP3s on the microSD card as well, and listen on my Sena via Bluetooth. NAV V also can share GPS tracks via BlueTooth with another NAV V/VI. The only random issue I've seen with the V is that it will lock up once in a blue moon. Simply take the battery out, unplug for 1 minute and pop it back in. Problem solved. YMMV

[@grahampascoe8814]

Is there any chance you reviewing the BMW connected cradle for your phone and comparing it to the 6? For any one thinking about getting a SatNav who currently doesn’t have one I think it would be very helpful to decide which route to go down (pun intended) plus there’s a huge price difference between them!

[@RiderCamTV]

we are waiting for stock in the UK and once we have it we will be reviewing it :)

[@CarlGrobler]

Hi. Nice video. On my 5 the touch screen is not very good. Is it better on the 6?

[@RiderCamTV]

Thanks Carl. Glad you enjoyed it :) Agree with you that the 6 is a much better touch screen. Much more responsive :)

[@liamhoad8445]

Nice one chaps, another great video. I'm with Mr Mark (unusual for me, I can't justify the cost for the screen). But i just went out and couldn't see the screen on my V :-)

[@RiderCamTV]

+Liam Hoad thanks for the kind words matey. Doh! Might be a 6 on route to you then?

[@Johnnywoo7]

Hi Toby. I am looking at getting a Nav6 for my GS as I don’t have a Sat Nav currently. Your review has convinced me it’s the best for me. Question. When planing a route can you add in places you want to go through rather than the ‘quickest ‘ way, if you like putting in way points on the journey ? Is it possible to list the road you want to stay on ? I had a TomTom and it was difficult to use to put in stops destinations etc, in your opinion is the Nav6 better. Love the videos very unbiased reviews and fun to watch.

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey Johnny thanks for the question. It is indeed a great sat nav. You can add way point or as they call them ‘via points’ as you plan on the device and then use them on your route, you can then dismiss them or let the route take you until the end. You could also use a website called motogolocco which will allow you to plan your route and then export it as a gpx file and then import to your device. It’s a bit fiddly on the device itself but much more straight forward than the tomtom. Hope that helps matey :)

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Does the new screen use a phone type screen? If it does, try it in the rain, it may activate it. Thanks.

[@genuinecomments4008]

Why was the 5 compass North the 6 East

[@tomf4547]

I'm buying 2nd hand, would never spend £600. I'm guessing the BMW mount takes either version? (2021).

[@buddysinsight9834]

Excellent can you do a vid on how to use the 6. I am thinking of riding to the bike show in Milan (Eicma) but I am worried about the weather this time of year. It starts on the 9th of November and I was wondering if you two think its a bit late in the year to do the journey. Its a big deal for me as I have never been out the country on my own and also done that distance on a bike. I do love a challenge though. Great vid

[@markholroyd5365]

Buddy's Insight Do it!!!!!!! Don't worry about something that may not happen, enjoy the ride. I visited the WW1 battlefields in February in the snow. Whats the worst that can happen? Drive carefully and you will be fine...

[@RiderCamTV]

+Buddy's Insight as Mark says you will love it.

[@buddysinsight9834]

Thanks Mark I think will get everything ready to go and decide at the last minute. Have you done a what to pack video. If you have I think I need to watch it lol.

[@sandre5337]

Buddy's Insight, The predictions for the next few days are exciting, right? www.accuweather.com/en/it/milan/214046/daily-weather-forecast/214046?day=11

[@markholroyd5365]

Buddy's Insight we are planning a 'what to pack' video soon. With regards to the weather, get packed and get riding..... Let us know how you get on.

[@flash1034]

Does the 5 and the 6 fit in the same stock mount?

[@RiderCamTV]

Yep. They will both fit into the same stock mount on the BMW’s :)

[@vriendelijkegroet]

I still have and use the old IV, works well on my GSA. Yes, it's old, the screen is pixy, but it does what I want. Oh it seems it's almost unbreakable. I would buy a new one when it breaks.

[@RiderCamTV]

+vriendelijkegroet 100% agree mate. Was just the right time for me. I got a great price for the old one (in fact made money as I got a deal from Germany online) and also had a great price on the 6 so didn’t cost a lot to upgrade for me. As you say the 5 works well and was bullet proof almost!

[@Smudge64]

does the 6 fit the 5 cradle?

[@RiderCamTV]

Yes it should fit

[@aguywhodoesstuff]

The colour rendition looks great but then at 20:19 the huge amount of reflection is shown....I'm trying to decide about whether to pickup a 5 which I can get for 1/2 the price of the 6... and it seems dollar for dollar that money looks better in my wallet.

[@RiderCamTV]

dollar is always better in your wallet, although over the 5, we prefer the 6. Not because it is newer, but it re routes far quicker and the screen, although it reflected on the video is much much better in sunlight on the road for the rider. At times on the 5 we couldnt see anything other than a reflection while away touring and with the 6 ive never had that issue.

[@tonywheeler1281]

great video guys will be buying first sat nav next year so will be the 6 hope dealerwill give me some tips on how to use correctly.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Tony Wheeler great choice mate. :)

[@bsebesty]

You 2 are fun to watch! 2 questions: 1./ what was it with that comment You made on controlling "VIRB" camera, if I understood it right? 2./ Any advice on listening to music from Spotify? (I stopped owning mp3 files and transferring them here and there. I am sure there are others out there who'd just need access to their Spotify songs from their phones. The issue is controlling the Spotify app on your phone, when it's tucked away some place safe.) BTW, wouldn't You want to drive always EAST (and not WEST), if You NOT want the sun to shine on Your NavigatorV and have all that glare ... ??? :-) Cheers!

[@RiderCamTV]

+Balázs Sebestyén hahha. Thanks matey. We enjoy making the vids. In answer to your questions, you did hear right, the VIRB is a garmin camera that can be linked up to the sat nav which allows it to be controlled from the screen. Spotify is a tricky one as is any media on the sat nave it seems. We can get it working with Spotify through the phone but can’t control it on the screen. But we will see what we can find out :) Haha. Yeah east not west would help. Ride safe matey :)

[@philbuglass4857]

Seems pretty obvious to me that you would need to ride East in the morning, North at midday and West in the afternoon/evening. The Sun *does* go all the way around, you know?

[@RiderCamTV]

+Phil Buglass heheh. Wondered how many would spot the *cough cough* deliberate mistake. Lol

[@deanshaw2128]

Excellent series of videos gentlemen, many thanks. I appreciate the improved screen and slight speed improvement, but the real question is whether the VI is a real improvement, functionally. I was sold a V by the dealer, last year for my new GSA. His main argument was that the V displays the bike computer functions, but the VI does not. This seemed a viable argument at the time (I hadn't ridden a 1200 prior, previous bike was an 800GS) though I now question this as all those functions are already available on the bike's own display. But why introduce a new product that has less [useable] functionality than its predecessor anyway? However my main gripe is the cost of these things compared to other units on the market. What we are really paying for (about AUS$1000 for the V here) is the mounting and handlebar controller interface (which you've actually already paid for on the bike), because otherwise the unit itself is a "cheap" piece of crap. My phone usually does a better job, and most GPS's on the market for AUS$200 would do as well. I can travel well out of mobile phone range on tours ( easy to do in Oz), so I need a reliable GPS and carry two backup handhelds. I currently use a Sena 10C on my helmet (don't get me started on that - though, like most new technologies, it has positives and negatives) and the Bluetooth linking of iPhone and Sena with the NavV as a hub is just painful. I have had to fit an SD card with music on the V to get a "reliable" source, but that often won't display depending on how the Bluetooth feels that day. What's more the BMW handlebar jog controller for the V won't change music tracks (on the music from the V itself), so you have to take your eyes of the track/road to change music tracks on the touch display - not always easy and certainly not safe. It also doesn't resume music from where you switch off, so every time you restart the bike, the music goes back to the same first track on the SD card - makes you want to tear your hair out! Why the V has things like a stop watch and calculator on board, (when everybody already carries that functionality on their phone) but can't manage to get directions correct, or even find locations that have been there since before GPS was invented, is beyond me. With the power that BMW wields I would expect a better, more tailored and technically superior product - especially for this price. I think the answer is they don't really care; not a fitting philosophy to go with the bikes. So if, after using the new VI for a while, you could do another follow up video to compare the functionalities and operations of the two units, and their respective compatibility with other devices, that to me would be worth a look. Cheers, DS

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey Dean, you are right, some of the functionality that could be there is not on either the 5 or the 6, in comparison to using a phone with google maps other apps like copilot etc where you can download the maps and they function in the same way a dedicated sat nav would. The 6 does display all of the motorbikes functions as the 5 did previously. I have found the 6 to be faster at re-routing, calculating routes as well as handling music and multiple Bluetooth connections at the same time. The display on the 6 is much clearer and reduces the screen glare you can get on a 5, but they are expensive but they havent let us down yet thankfully. The jog wheel still does not allow you to change the volume, tracks etc which is a real pain but i usually have the phone connected for the music and the headset connected too. that way there is no faffing around with memory cards etc. Hope this helps

[@jackkevinpatsch264]

When watching the video you guys are great! I question why one reads east the other north and elevation are different?

[@RiderCamTV]

Mmm. Not sure although we were facing different directions on the bike and when in the house we didn’t have a great signal. Could have been that?

[@apsingh1971]

Notice the 5 has speed limit display, 6 doesn't! feature issue or function adjustment?

[@RiderCamTV]

I noticed this when riding this weekend in Wales, although some roads have the speed limit on the 6 while others dont. Seems to be if you have the route planned and set, all the speed limits then show up on ours. hope this helps

[@apsingh1971]

If you go to 13.28 when you plan the route, 5 shows the speed limit, 6 doesn't. I have 5 on my BMW K 1600 GTL but 6 looks like it has a much better screen. If 6 does not show the speed limit, I will stick to 5. Thanks for your reply though.

[@RiderCamTV]

Not had any problems with the 6 not showing speed limits although on sat navs are very often not as accurate as we’d like when the limit changes sometimes the maps haven’t been updated etc

[@christinecopus5967]

Can l check my speeds any one time to see if the police cameras are correct on sat nav 6.

[@lawrencehenson5426]

Thanks Guys, very informative video & convinced me to get a S/H 5 rather than spend a lot of dosh on a new 6, although there might now be some S/H 6s around, but I hear there have been many problems with the 6s. I don't really need all the extra bells & whistles of the 6. BTW. Liked the matching tops with the chevron pattern on the sleeves!

[@longwaytowork]

How do you hear the directions from the navigation do you need integrated Bluetooth helmet or does it come with ear pieces?

[@RiderCamTV]

you can connect the sat nav to your bluetooth helmet for the sound as its not natively output through speakers as moving along you wouldnt hear it. Although i dont have mine providing voice directions, i listen to music and use the sat nav as a visual aid. Specially becomes a pain when travelling with mates and talking to them via bluetooth as if you have a route planned the sat nav is always interupting, mostly just a the time when you need to concentrate :)

[@ianmills35]

Hi Toby, just got my new GSA with a Nav6 to say I’m exited is an understatement. Just watching your vid and my eyes were drawn to your hand guard extensions, could I please ask, are they the Givi ones or something else as I want to fit them to mine. Many thanks. Ian

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey Ian, thanks for the kind words. The Nav6 is amazing...... yep, you are right, the handguards are from Givi. Got them from Nippy Normans and they are the ones that dont need drilling, they are moulded to fit on the original holes. We did a video about fitting them :). They are great at keeping your hands dryer and warmer in the winter months :)

[@ianmills35]

RiderCamTV Nice one cheers Toby, have just watched the Handguard video. I will be having a pair of those, will look great on my triple black which has a smoked screen. Keep up the good work great videos from Mark and yourself, safe riding buddy. Cheers Ian from Scotland 👍🏍

[@Mark_B544]

Ian Mills Scotland? Lets hook up sometime bud

[@TheFozzy222]

That nav need to be matched up with the new TFT screen now lol

[@RiderCamTV]

+TheFozzy222 that’s very true. Hahha

[@RiderCamTV]

It does show much more info on the new tft screen. Review to come soon ;)

[@LordGrievous1970]

On the bootup speedtest, the 5 came up with "cannot unlock maps', what does this mean? My 6 that I have just bought (second hand) says the same thing.

[@RiderCamTV]

looks like the maps can't be validated.. here is a link we found support.garmin.com/en-GB/?faq=3QHdSDE3Q80Vd3EHFN11u7

[@Drummergirl191234]

If the Nav V worked for more than one season then it's proven to be much better than the Nav VI. I've had three Nav VI replaced by Garmin and this morning, as soon as the weather cooled, the fourth unit stopped working properly. This time the mapping feature stops tracking my location after a only a few minutes. I'm done with Garmin.

[@simoncarrier8]

Nothing to do with the satnavs... what are the long sleeve tops your wearing.

[@lynsmith1096]

Good comparison guys

[@RiderCamTV]

thanks Lyn :)

[@AMPJ08]

In my 5 I imported 3 trips and it took almost an hour to do it. Have you done this on the 6? Would it take less? It takes me a lot of free time plan routes even more waiting the device to end importing so is a loss of time for me.

[@RiderCamTV]

hey buddy, we regularly import upwards of 21 days trips for a tour and it takes only a matter of minutes on the 6

[@girvandarragh5431]

Guys I'm about to pick up my first BMW gsa 1200 what sat nav would suit the bike best are they all generic fitting?

[@Null-zp3or]

The speed COULD be aided buy the newer battery but you'd expect it to be a little faster. I find Night mode on these preferable to day with the brightness up. (excuse the spam)

[@ultimatebuzz73]

Just bought a GS (which I love) .... Don't have a satnav......so will be buying up front...... Still can't decide!

[@RiderCamTV]

if your buying new or second hand and you can find a reasonable price, id go for the 6, purely for the screen and the faster processor and longevity of use.... im sure they will bring a 7 out and with a 5 it may start to feel a little old, although there is nothing wrong with it. both will work fine but the 6 is better in nearly every aspect :) hope that helps

[@kennethwise7108]

Can anyone offer up some advice on choosing a GPS unit for my 2010 K1300GT. Since it's an older bike and a pre-wonder wheel having bike would I benefit with getting the Navigator VI and cradle or is there something else out there that is more suited for an older bike? Thanks

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey Kenneth, thanks for the question. The Nav VI is great although as it is branded BMW it is expensive. The Zumo range is basically the same thing from Garmin and is cheaper and will do the same thing as the Nav VI especially as you havent got the magic wheel on the bike. will come with the cradle and all you need and are really reliable units too :)

[@kennethwise7108]

@@RiderCamTV that's EXACTLY what I was thinking too! Thank you SO much for your reply. Out of curiosity would you happen to know which zumo unit has the same anti-glare features as the Navigator VI?

[@kennethwise7108]

@@RiderCamTV, I have Samsung Galaxy S7, it has a built in GPS feature. Do you guys ever rely upon your smartphones for navigation purposes? I like to use the "Waze" app. Seems like it's a great way to get to your destination. It tells you the speed limits of your area and where the cops are hiding.

[@rcknrog1]

Hi, I have a 2018 R1200 GS and Nav 6 the bike has the tft display. So far I have been unable to figure out how to control functions on the nav 6 with the wonder wheel? Any tips for a tech challenged person. ty Rog

[@RiderCamTV]

hey Roger, the wonder wheel should work straight away and allow you to move from different pages to others. To zoom in and out you need to have a route set but other than that its just a case of playing around with it to familiarise yourself with the functions. There are limitations to what you can do with the wheel but if the wheel is not working at all, check out your local dealer as you may have a faulty wheel. Mark and I have both had faulty wheels int he past which is infurating.... hope this helps

[@grahamdenton5635]

hi guys can you fit the BMWs nav 6 screen to the nav 5 if there the same machine ??? thanks

[@RiderCamTV]

yes, it should fit to the same bracket.

[@peterharrison2264]

Quick question. Is the guy on the right with no hair an ex RN clearance diver?

[@TheGeoDaddy]

I was hoping to use my iPhone Waze but - not only could I NOT see it in my Tank Bag - but the iPhone shut down because of temperature after only 20 minutes in very moderate 70 degrees overcast weather!?!

[@RiderCamTV]

yeah would be great if they could make the phones more tollerant of heat changes... waze is amazing and would be great to use it

[@johnwiffen6655]

There is one serious problem with Nav 5. On a Magellan tour the 5 worked well but causes memory loss. The result was, it caused me to leave my passport at a hotel. This error was more expensive than the upgrade to a 6. I would recommend a check up from the neck up, they are too much money for what they are.

[@maxflight777]

Having concluded the 6 is worth upgrading to .... some of you may be curious about the Tom Tom. All you need to know is; That its faster than the Tom Tom.) Brighter than the Tom Tom. Bigger than the Tom Tom (5” versus 4.3”) and much clearer than the Tom Tom. Oh and far more capable. Believe me, i have both and the ONLY thing the Tom Tom does that the Garmin doesnt is support WiFi. Thats it !

[@tristramgordon8252]

Why didn't you show that back of each, for r200rt bikes?

[@arthurb8631]

Does anybody have a link to a detailed explanation or tips and tricks video for the Nav V or VI

[@RiderCamTV]

not necessarily an indepth one, but at Magellan we did a tips and tricks to set up your sat nav which may help kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYaqh2R5eqxkhas

[@arthurb8631]

RiderCamTV thank you

[@slamdunkali]

can i use this navigator for my ktm ???

[@RiderCamTV]

You can use it on any bike but won’t have the integrated information from the bike. Garmin XT is much better though

[@49googie]

I ride with the tomtom 410 because the sound is better, the Bluetooth is crap, what's the sound level like on the 6 I ride with ear plugs and the last garmins I tried had a low volume eg garmin 100% was the same as 60% on tom tom.So whats the sound like, I use an autocom

[@RiderCamTV]

Sound level on the 6 is much better mate, and I find it works well on Bluetooth. I couldn’t go back to a Tom Tom.

[@IanTed]

Any advice re connecting Nav5 to TFT, any issues?

[@RiderCamTV]

seems to work well, but a little quirky.......... will try to do a video soon :)

[@IanTed]

RiderCamTV Trying to avoid investing in the VI🙄

[@davidallan-smith5957]

I brought a VI to replace my IV. Sadly its a bit rubbish when it comes to traffic cameras, which is one of main reasons I wanted it. I'm sure you all know how limited this functionality is. For a unit that costs 580 why can't i decide whether to hear mobile zones or not? Its either turn off all of the camera alerts or have to listen to that stupid bong noise whenever I ride down any of my local roads at over 27mph, because once in the past 5 years there was a camera. This is pathetic. On my 6 year old tomtom I can turn mobile camera alerts off without turning them all off. Not that I would because I only actually receive mobile alerts if there is a camera car there. Also since I can't activate the voice control on my phone from the jog wheel and instead have to take my eyes off the road to use the touch screen repeatedly, I have disabled its phone connection and have my connected my iphone directly to my senna, which I can trigger Siri by simply pressing the button on my helmet. which is far safer than taking my eyes off the road. Stupidly unless I connect both the phone AND the headset to the nav the connection to the phone is lost which means I also loose the traffic and weather updates from the smartphone link. All of which are a real shame as the unit has a lovely screen and the jog wheel integration in very good for getting data from the bike. If there was a tomtom upgrade for this unit I would bite your hand off for it, but sadly when it comes to functionality Garmin are miles behind Tomtom. Your better off which a tomtom for half the price.

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey mate. Thanks for the comments. There are some shortfalls but I really like the unit. I have my phone and interphone headset connected to it and don’t have any issues. I’ve always turned the alerts off to be honest as even with the Tom Tom I used to have I got fed up with talking to mates through the blue tooth and constantly being interrupted by the directions. I use it to visually see the directions and listen to my music. I guess there (sadly) is never a sweet spot for us all but I totally agree that it would be so much better to be able to turn parts of features off. We always seem to have to compromise on stuff. :( Anyway, ride safe mate and have a great Christmas :)

[@Enonymouse_]

The glare might not be so bad for the bikes that have recessed GPS mounts (R12 RT and K16).

[@michaelsmith9721]

My Nav V on my K1600 terrible in sunlight - actually can be dangerous in terms of having to stare too much at it.

[@badllama8090]

Have BMW sorted all the IV problems??

[@RiderCamTV]

Nope

[@oksanahugheshughes9517]

I did notice your beautiful defensive riding ... a joy to watch 😉

[@sumporfuk]

A bit late to the party but the VI is worth upgrading to on multiple levels but the most important bit is the processor and the newest architecture that is able to handle the newer 4.0+ bluetooth revisions that work with communicators like the Sena 30K and such. The IV is unable to live stream music as well. At the end of the day the IV is old technology and to be fair the VI will only be as good as the newest technology within your phone, bottom line is all connected devices NEED to have current updates and the latest and greatest firmware. The iPhone 6 is the bare bones minimum lowest level that can be used and it's only a matter of time before it too falls off the cliff.

[@RiderCamTV]

very true buddy and thanks for the comments.

[@dejulian]

yo me tuve un accidente por tapar el sol con la mano y creo que merece la pena el VI

[@RiderCamTV]

Lamento saber que tuvo un accidente, espero que tenga una pronta recuperación.

[@stallebrass]

Suppose it depends if you get a decent price for the Nav5... I'd probably upgrade if it didn't cost me anymore than about £100 as I do want fit the Garmin Virb cameras at some point. FYI the Nav5 doesn't stream from the phone, it's source is the Nav's micro SD itself but I had nothing but trouble playing music this way. Now I just connect my Iphone to the Scala Q3 headset (with custom earbuds) and the Iphone to Nav5 (for the Garmin app)... I don't bother with voice commands and the speed alerts got right on my tits! I'd defo get one if I bought a new GSA and didn't already have one, although you can probably save a few quid buying one used online cheaper than from BMW, which I did with my Nav5. On a separate note, do you have tank power? I've got a PDM60 ready to install and one of the connections will be tp send power to my Wunderlich Elephant tank bag to charge various items on the move.

[@RiderCamTV]

+StallyMan hey mate. Great points as I could never get the nav5 to do music although mark does with a bit of joggery pockery. I’m like you I don’t use the voice prompts from the sat nav as looking at the map does me :) I connect to a inter phone tour and iPhone but am playing around with configurations as on a tour it’s always good to be able to call clients on the go if we have a change of lab or emergency. But I’m playing around to see what works best for me. I don’t have tank power as if I need to power a camera etc I use the power outlet by the dash and I don’t use a tank pad as it gets in the way of refuelling (I know I don’t fill up much) but I don’t like the fact that the tank pad gets in the way and is an extra thing to carry around - hence our thought bags :)

[@maxflight777]

You might struggle to get £390 for a used NavV and a six will cost £510 , so with eBay fees etc and shipping ... the upgrade might cost you £150. Well worth it imho .

[@rantrave3796]

Think you need to set these up with the same settings for better comparison other wise the speed is irrelevant

[@rantrave3796]

Ie the 6 came up with tolls on display as the 5 didn’t this is set in parameters lol

[@nachogmap]

Thanks a Lot for the video. I have a question. I intend to buy a gs 750 in a few weeks. My thought is that TFT and Navigator 6 overlap in many features and makes no sense buying both. TFT is no brillian in navigation but you can use your mobile phone with google maps connected to TFT. ¿¿Is my thinking right?? TFT and Navigator are expensive devices and I would like to make a wise decision. Thanks a lot...!

[@RiderCamTV]

hi mate, thanks for the kind words on the video. Although the TFT has some funnctions and of course as you point out some functions from the Sat Nav do cross over, the TFT does not display all the information you need on the satnav, just the turns you need to make, so doesnt give you the details of the trip you are making etc. Im not sure if the Phone connected to the satnav will have the same function but check with your local dealer as they can let you try it before you buy either, that way you will know... Hope this helps

[@nachogmap]

@@RiderCamTV Thanks a lot for your reply....!

[@sandre5337]

It's an evolution, it is not a revolution, having the V, I think it is not worth changing, not having the V, would buy the VI, the progress, is the progress! Now, is it worth to buy the VI, with the TFT screen, which can be connected to the phone's gps? Just to justify a new video mate!!

[@RiderCamTV]

+S André as you say it is an evolution not a revolution and with the tft screen coming out its much of a muchness, but was worth seeing the difference in the video as there aren’t many videos that pitch them against each other. And is it really worth the upgrade? It’s hard to tell unless you either buy one or watch a comparison :)

[@jspope2008]

Does it matter if one takes 4 seconds more than the other?! Still reflection. BMW done a good job then!

[@markholroyd5365]

jspope2008 no it doesn't however some people feel it should... Me I'm very happy with my V...

[@RiderCamTV]

+jspope2008 nope not at all. But the 6 is fast at re calculating a route but you can always turn round :)

[@Enonymouse_]

The 6 renders the route map details faster.

[@DJPMackin]

There's a reflection on your phone because the screen was OFF.

[@ririshow]

Looks like the VI will be even more difficult to read in sunlight! Design is faulty as far as i am concerned. The screen should be recessed and protected from sun rays.

[@RiderCamTV]

+ririshow it performs really well in either direct or indirect sunlight (tested in Spain) but you will never be able to negate sunlight effect if the sun is behind you, but with the filters in this and the screen vibrancy it was perfect for me :)

[@philbuglass4857]

The high speed zooming as a plus? Not the way you showed it... Like, 2 twitches on the wheel and you went from showing the neigbourhood to looking down at the whole of the UK! How often would anyone want to zoom that far? The only reason I can see to zoom is to change to a *slightly* narrower or wider view, one or 2 steps at most...

[@RiderCamTV]

+Phil Buglass sometimes the need to zoom right in as well as rift out has its benefits (although granted not as far out as we went) but often on a tour the help of quickly scrolling about 4 or 5 clicks of the wheel is a massive advantage :)

[@nitemunky76]

Tomtom for me on my 1250GSA.

[@Boxer1250RT]

BMW has nothing to do with the screen resolution - it is all Garmin

[@RiderCamTV]

thats very true, but the screen is all about screen resolution, and the 6's is higher than the 5 and is much better visually, particularly in sunlight :)

[@genuinecomments4008]

Speed limit is shown on 5 not 6

[@RiderCamTV]

sorry to say you are wrong.. it is shown on them both.. regularly use the 6 and speed limit is on there all the time...

[@Null-zp3or]

I always hear TomTom, Garmin, BMW etc but i ended up with a Binatone whatever on earth that is. Guessing there's a reason it goes unmentioned >.

[@DIMITRIS_79]

Το καλυτερο navy ειναι αυτο που συνδεεται με το ιντερνετ

[@gtx332]

Got a 6 for free with the bike so i wont complain

[@RiderCamTV]

awesome..... great bit of kit too :)

[@girvandarragh5431]

Sorry its a 2014 te.

[@MarcTNL]

My GOD ! You go on about the better screen. I got that already ! When you finnaly get to new functionality you just skip it and go on about the better fucking screen ! WTF do I care if it starts 5 seconds faster ? This 21 minute movie should have taken 1 minute. Sorry to be so blunt guys. All I wanted to know where differences / improvements of the 6 over the 5.

[@bmwgsblackgus7636]

Dont bother with the 6 its crap !! I'm on my 3 replacement. Screen locks ghosts and the touch screen is un responding to touch . Total fail by garmin and poor customer service in admitting the fault and recalling the 6 and fixing them . Its the elephant in the room and the reason i won't be buying garmin products ever again. Dont waste your money honestly.

[@sgomez3047]

It's bullshit that Garmin doesn't just sell the software for download to bring it up to specs as the 6 I'm not cheap... I'd be glad to pay for the download...its just think it's a waste to buy an entirely new Navi, which includes screen, case, and such..its bullshit

[@supercharged3975]

Can't beat Google maps

[@jspope2008]

Big deal. Is it worth it! Mmmm,

[@RiderCamTV]

depends what you use it for i guess. for Toby its a tool of the trade and it is much faster at scrolling in and out and also re-routing... :)

[@ArcanePath360]

Britain's roads are maintained? lol. Not round here they aren't. Only the council tax increases are maintained.

[@pistolpete6321]

I’ve owned both and like the 6 better but both are way over priced!

[@RiderCamTV]

Totally agree. As with all tech and kit, it seems you add the word motorbike to it and also add loads of money. 6 is much better but as you say still overpriced ;)

[@cp1699]

who cares how fast? Do not buy its useless; how did this pass testing? The routes are always wrong inputting is a disaster. $150 units at target far superior you can load routes by voice before hand that are so much faster than even Apple iPhone without touching keyboard

[@RiderCamTV]

Never had an issue inputting or following routes. Find it really good. Each to their own