Riding the Sacramento Southern, North Pacific Coast #12 AND the Backwards Big Boy - SP Cab Forward

[@shr3dthegnar1]

You two are really are preserving so much history in a entirely different aspect. Taking the time and traveling providing us with so much history. I’m truly grateful for what both of you do. Thank you. 🙏🏻

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!!!! We have so much fun with it. Thanks!!!!!

[@Beoxb00ts]

Thx for visiting my local steam excursion place! I enjoyed the ride they gave ME and I also enjoyed the video!

[@VRDenshaOtaku]

I was there when I was in america, didn't have time to take the trip but did see the museum, but did get a picture of my "newest" model which was a ATSF E8m with their F7

[@TheBestTrainsAreReal]

When you hear of California you think of, Casinos, Hollywood, Famous Celebrity, Golden Gates Bridge, etc, But what people dont think about are the little things that help contributing making what it is today. This little railroad is a perfect example, a rustic design, amazing collection of trains, a fantastic ride, it is what shows what made California to what it is today!

[@hollywood1340]

Love that SP 6 Chime!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Sp had the cool add ons!! Diesel headlights and horns as well!

[@kenshores9900]

Another good Sunday ride. Take care of that hip. Would like to see Karyns’s progress on the tender. See you Tuesday.

[@IronHorsefan1869]

My favorite era of railroading and the one I model on G Scale is the 1800s, hence why my favorite preserved locomotives in California are in that museum

[@ToyManTelevision]

That was an amazing time for locomotives. I first fell in love with The General. But what beautiful machines.

[@JerkRice]

I'm very impressed with the displays at that museum. Sounds like a top notch organization. Thanks for showing it to us.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Do watch Tuesday. Great story!

[@lesliedickinson198]

I have come to love these massive loco's and yes would love to see it restored. In some ways it was a sensible way to use a steam locomotive especially when oil fired. Its such a pity more wasnt saved in the USA,,,I feel we are so fortunate here in the UK to have saved so many locomotives, you must visit one day

[@evankoren]

I wish the cab forward could be restored, only in our hopes and dreams. :(

[@ToyManTelevision]

That would great. BUT its there for all to see.And thats really something.

[@allanegleston4931]

up wouldnt let it run on their tracks .

[@thelegendaryanimatronicbet2733]

Me too

[@LuckyBaldwin777]

@@allanegleston4931 they could donate it to UP for restoration. I'm not sure UP would restore it tho, since it was an SP locomotive

[@christopherorourke6543]

@@allanegleston4931 U.P acts like anything that is associated with SP,Cotton Belt, D&RGW is poison, inferior. UP sure has treated SP,Cotton Belt & D&RGW badly.

[@GR10Productions]

Had many cab rides in old 10 and I gotta say blowing that Nathan 6 chime for the first time was the best thing I’ve done in my life.

[@ToyManTelevision]

GRANITE ROCK CO. 10 nice to se it back on the line!

[@nathancorcoran5347]

Good job. That was a nice steam train ride at Sacramento.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Fun ride

[@FastSports-ScaleCarGarage]

Another wonderful episode! Keep them coming!!

[@deandanielson8074]

Thank you two on another wonderful video. Fun to see the museum again and the paddlewheel boat. I have visited the museum about 10 years ago and had dinner with clients on the boat. I would have loved to stay overnight on the boat. The train ride you gave us was really fun with a wonderful selection of accompanying the music and great editing. You both do so well in the videography. Thanks again. - Dean from Minnesota

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi dean. Do watch Tuesday. A display at the museum and a poster fir the 1948 rail fair. Do watch!! Great story. A big boy and colorado narrow gauge all in one place.

[@NYCJDClark]

Thank you for this show. I would love to see the cab forward in person along with everything else at the museum. Do you have enough material for a show just on the cab forward? I just watched the British film you mentioned, Night Mail. Very interesting. The Brits have a lot of movies about their trains of yesteryear. All of them are interesting. Dale, I hope your bad hip improves and you both are able to continue to screw around.

[@LukeLovesTrains-Mr.RailYard]

Pretty awesome Railroad Museum

[@ToyManTelevision]

one of the best!!!! AND getting BIGGER!!

[@christopherorourke6543]

Great video of the California State Railroad Museum & Sacramento. The zcalifornia State Railroad Museum is 1 of the 3 best state railroad museums in the nation, the other 2 are the Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum in Strasburg, Pennsylvania and the Colorado State Railroad Museum in Golden, Colorado.

[@AkRyder68]

I've really enjoyed this series on Old Sacramento and the California State Railroad Museum. I had the opportunity a few years back to visit it while I was down from Alaska and thoroughly enjoyed all of it. From the train ride to the displays on all floors including the model trains on the top floor. I hope to be able to visit again when the back shop is added into the tour and open to the public. I was so taken by the cab forward, I had to get one to add to my O gauge collection that is mostly Alaska Railroad! Thanks!

[@ToyManTelevision]

They just opened the new NMRA room. WOW. But we couldnt get near it. Really cool we think. When we get in.

[@AkRyder68]

@@ToyManTelevision, that would be awesome to see. I was already impressed with what they had and their vintage tin plate was spectacular. To see a NMRA display would be awesome. I'm not a prototypical guy, but I love seeing it and how realistic people with skills far better than mine and the time to fool around with things like that can make their displays!

[@Brian_rock_railfan]

Awesome video toy man :)

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks

[@robertlucido3686]

I sorta hope they have one of the narrow gauge conventions in Michigan, I think it'd be interesting to see what kinds of train shows and excursions they'd do like on the Huckleberry Railroad and even with Michigan's most famous steam locomotive, Pere Marquette #1225

[@nathancorcoran5347]

PM 1225 is my number one favorite steam locomotive in the world.

[@rpllieb]

Very nice you two. Makes me want to hop on a train to Colorado. And get a sleeper room. Leisure time is very important 😎

[@ToyManTelevision]

I love the sleeper car!! They need a motel like that!! We would stay there!

[@gleanerk]

Thanks for sharing y’all videos with us, very much enjoy them ! Hope your hip be well Dale! Good job videoing karyn!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi! Hoping (hopping) the leg-hip is soon better, but in the mean time less time on the road. More at the bench and here at the computer. I just hope people will stay with us as we do what we need to do. Both Karyn and I will be down this winter, hoping to be back on the road in the spring. For now, edits of last summers video and work bench projects.

[@gleanerk]

Get well n worry not ,the show will go on . Y’all come along way from when I started with you! So be cool and not a fool , get that hip and the whatever’s fixed before you can’t get it fixed . As always thanks for sharing! 🖖🏻✌️

[@IronHorsefan1869]

Sierra #3 has my all time favorite whistle, that beautiful 5 chime, hope you catch that in your sierra episode

[@ToyManTelevision]

Coming soon! We are at a train show! We are shooting like mad because in a few weeks we will both be laid up for a time. So as we recover we have many shows “in the can”. So to speak. Anyway great footage and a fun show! Or two?

[@AtkataffTheAlpha]

2:58 "I found it riveting" Me: "another joke "weld" done XD"

[@ToyManTelevision]

Grown. Groan. Or home grown. Let’s sea. Er see. Puns. Puns are to jokes as chewing gum is to food.

[@robertemmons2260]

This was a very nice laid back video! Loved your story that had went along with it. Thank you once again for the ride!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Now four stories... Er, for stories. Anyway that. tuesday and next tuesday,,,

[@tomklock568]

Thanks so much for your videos from this! I gotta go up there! A lot of great fun and hope you find some relief from the hip problem!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks. Counting the days. Soon. A new hip. Then we will see.

[@cambridgeh.lutece6658]

The Sacramento Northern (the interurban line between SF and Chico) ran straight through the tower bridge to get to Sacramento!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup. Something to see. Wow!!

[@hamiltonsullivan6563]

Hay toyman great video

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi!! And thanks!!!!!

[@mamodsteamreturns5492]

the engine that was in the nightmail movie..was 6115 scots guardsman in original built condition.. luckily 6115 still survives but in rebuilt condition

[@Santafefrank]

Thanks

[@nationwiderailfanproductio9593]

I heard there gona start working on UP 4466 pretty soon so it can be ready for the new muesem being built out of the old Sacremento shops

[@lescobrandon3047]

Great video by your lady.

[@ToyManTelevision]

She really has walking with the camera figured out. When I do that it’s a mess assuming I don’t trip and or break something. It takes just the right amount of movement for that to work well.

[@utahcoasterenthusiasts]

That little engine ya guys went for a ride on could easily be made to look like Thomas lol

[@royreynolds108]

I guess you know that the first cab forward was not on the SP; it was a 4-4-0 on the Northwestern Pacific or North Pacific Coast, after it had been in a wreck it was rebuilt as a cab forward with oil for fuel. The tenders on the cab forward locos were pressurized with about 1 to 2 psi of air because sometimes the tenders are below the level of the firebox when going up the steep grades.

[@ToyManTelevision]

And in Japan on narrow gauge. It’s a simple idea.

[@ironhorsethrottlemaster5202]

What's up you guys when I rode the Amtrak if you Washington State on our way back home we took a couple hour delay in Sacramento California and went to the railroad museum and I've seen that AC 12 cab forward with my own eyes that thing is so cool I wish they would rebuild that one in the big boy could have a competitor something up at least as big as the big boy running around plus you're right I always thought it looked like I trolley to in the front very awesome episode when you guys didn't go up to Portland Oregon and see the Southern Pacific Daylight do you even like that engine that's one of my favorite locomotives of all time is the Southern Pacific Daylight GS4 drive safe you guys have a great trip peace out have a great day

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Yup the cab forward is great. Last and only one. Sadly only the 2 UP locomotives will be seen much. UP has their program and while that’s great they don’t allow any other locomotive on their tracks. Santa Fe is really the same. Back in the 90s these locomotives were seen all over but now even 4449 is stuck on small railroads, not allowed on UP tracks. So we will not likely ever see any SP locomotive out there as long as UP has their own program. And we really want UP to do that but it’s a mixed blessing. At least we can see these locomotives on display and see UPs locomotives out on the high iron. And that’s pretty darn great.

[@railsofthenorthland1181]

The cab forward was a backwards Yellowstone!

[@ToyManTelevision]

YUP!! Really mostly the same. Fun to see how they mover the controls from the back head to the back (front) of the cab. Almost cobbled together. Run a linkage across the cab. Watch your head!

[@521wurlitzer]

Actually, I believe that the Granite Rock steam locomotive you show is the only steam locomotive in Sacramento that is currently operable due to boiler certification. The Union Pacific 0-6-0 #4466 you mention has not been operable for many years. It is in need of boiler work and would have to be converted to oil burning to operate in California. It is currently a coal burner. Unfortunately, the CSRM has not taken particularly good care of the two big Santa Fe steam locomotives that were donated to the museum back many years ago.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup. They have rebuilt at least one other but for another museum. 4466 is on the docket for rebuilding but it will need conversion to oil as part of the rebuilding. But it will happen at some point. I’ve see perhaps 5 different locomotives on the track there. But at this time granite rock is it.

[@BCSchmerker]

+ToyMan *Southern Pacific tank car 145 was manufactured for the Nevada & California rail division,* which operated the 3'-0"-gauge tracks and much Virginia & Truckee River Railroad Company-built rolling stock from the Carson & Colorado package deal of 1900. SP NG Fleet No. 18, 2C'-h4 Baldwin Locomotive Works 10/26-D-285 SerNo 37395, is still with us, homeplated at the Eastern California Railway Museum, Independence, CA, USA; she ran TDY on the Durango & Silverton Narrow-Gauge (CO, USA) to give D&S crews experience with oil-firing while D&S Fleet No. 493, 1D'1-h4 Baldwin Locomotive Works 10/34-D-305 SerNo 20550 (one of Denver & Rio Grande Western's Class K-37 2-8-2 conversions of factory 2-8-0's, also previously given an inside-wheel mod consistently with D&RGW Class K-36, 3'-0"-gauge "outside-frame" locomotives based on the Baldwin 12/34¼-E standard-gauge) undergoes a rework for dual oil burners consistent with many 1930's-built Southern Pacific Baldwins.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Wow. Thanks for that. Been on the net looking for information. Mostly on independence ca. I love that tank car at Sacramento. Narrow gauge tank cars are all unique but the ones with wood frames are art. Been wanting to see the museum there. Anyway thanks for the information

[@cambridgeh.lutece6658]

This is great, and it's nice to know that a North Pacific Coast steam engine still survives today! Also, did they move (newly restored) ATSF 5021 & 2925 from the display in front of the railway depot? It was there when I visited a couple of months ago...

[@legorailroader844]

Granite rock no.10 is a usatc s100 0-6-0t side tank. In the UK they were known as USA or yankie tanks.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Cool thanks. Really interesting little locomotive. It seems they built a lot of those!

[@adebiglazywolf5005]

no...NOOOOOOO...Big Boy is in Sacramento and I'm stuck at work...RAAAAAWR...sigh... I'll at least get out to the Mueseum soon

[@JMLoll]

The "saddle tank" is actually a side tank. saddle tank goes over the top of the boiler.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Er, yup. I stand (sit) corrected.

[@DavidDragonhammer]

Do you every go anywhere else besides Cali? What mean come up to the Frozen Tundra,oh wait to us its warm to you,you freeze but Minnesota has some fantastic trains,from riding the rails to walking the museums,wish check out is Minnesota Train museum.you think twice of California's we also many old towns,one love is Stillwater,with there old river town and there famous Pattle Wheel steamships,or maybe St.Paul and there famous boats as well,they have a train layout that is huge,and running all the time,so come up north and live a little.

[@ToyManTelevision]

This summer it was California only. We had hoped to go to Germany but health issues keep us close to home. Oddly we can drive but flying is not working out. Hopefully next year we will be free to move about the globe.

[@briansmith8967]

They didn't move the town, they raised it by one whole floor. You can take the "Underground Tour" of Old Sacramento.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup! But the reason this “Old Town Sacramento” survives is the newer buildings were built on higher ground. So these were never torn down and replaced.

[@zachs2391]

What's going on with Dan's engine?

[@jacobramsey7624]

The cab forward looks like the SP's version of UP's Big Boy. Also, I am not sure if you can with your hip, but the Wiscasset Waterville and Farmington 2 foot gauge Railroad Museum is doing a special winter photo shoot on there railroad this upcoming January. They do a photo shoot ever year but what is special about this one is that equment is being brought in by other railroad musams so there will be a lot to see. There will be also the biggest 2 food gage locomotive in the country there. I hop you or one of your friends would concider looking into it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5rWn2h4lrSsabs Hear is a video of one of there other photo shoots.

[@ginogalante]

When is the ghost train video coming out or had it already been released.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Mrcat Games hi! Nope. Still screwing around with the edit. Soon I hope! Gee. Halloween is come and gone!

[@ginogalante]

Thank you for responding, I will keep an eye out. I love your videos keep up the great work.

[@microbusss]

I wondered how link n pins worked with knuckle couplers very strange I'd do a 3 foot American type 1:1 3 foot but do it as Rio Grande #107 OR do it in G scale which'd be cheaper

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Yup, several ways to do this but the split knuckle was perhaps the most popular. Great demo of how this works!

[@microbusss]

yeah thats interesting Still watching movies based in the old west & seeing a knuckle coupler is odd Considering in the late 19th Century it was link n pins

[@cynthiagarrett9657]

We sure enjoy all your videos. I share many of them on the Railroad Train Rides group on Facebook! Feel free to check it out. facebook.com/groups/RailroadTrainRides/

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Joined!!! Good group!

[@tomasnordin9778]

I Personally find the cab forward way more interesting than the big boy.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hard to pick. But the cab forward is the odd man out. Given why it was built like that it’s much much more interesting

[@tomasnordin9778]

@@ToyManTelevision Exactly my Point.

[@rohnerw]

Just a quick question. Hope you don't mind as a search is not bringing me up any details on the locomotive. What fuel they firing the #10 saddle tank loco with at the museum? Have done a search, but can't seem to find any real operating details. Is it road diesel or something heavier? Reprocessed motor oil? Looks like it was originally a coal burner. And last but most certainly not least, thank you for this series of videos on the Museum. Some of us will never have a chance to see some of these places you take us to! Your videos are absolutely the next best thing to being there. Honest!

[@ToyManTelevision]

California has passed some pretty strict regulations on steam locomotives. As far as I know everyone is running re-purposed motor oil. I know that’s what they’re burning in the big boy, and one of the issues behind the conversion to oil was that it would not be allowed in California where it’s still burning coal. But there are a dozen other reasons as well

[@allanegleston4931]

you had a video of a gentle man who made models of pe equipment . i think his name was bill evvertt. a friend of mine told me that he died and his models are displayed in sacarmento rail museum. these locos were designed that way so that they wouldnt gas out the crews as they went thru the tunnels of the donner pass . this .kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ7GmqiBqKeCn5I&app=desktop they still have postal trains .

[@Tricky929]

I know of railroad men who called the Cab Forward, what else A Back-up. It was tough getting the coal from the tender and into the cab. The last part is a Joke, it's a joke.

[@dinopulizzi8481]

Quarry Hill Winery 3:06 (newdaycleveland)

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Not sure what you are pointing out. ?

[@gregwatson7627]

i am sorry toy-man... bless your hips

[@WyanoPenna]

How did they get the coal into the cabs of the cab-forwards?

[@stevebarnes2]

Magic. Or, fairly obviously, the locomotive is oil fired.

[@WyanoPenna]

@@stevebarnes2 Ok, boomer. I usually associate oil burners with Vanderbilt tenders.