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[@reginald7214]

There's a 3.0 swap station at stockholm sweden as opposed to this 2.0 station. It holds 20 some odd batteries as opposed to 12, is a touch faster (doesnt raise car), and has a 500 kW charger attached to it. Check it out for us if you're ever in that part of the world. Thanks for an interesting video. Take care.

[@LovesHighGround]

Never understood the reasoning why it had to be lifted in order to get access to the battery. Unneeded hydraulics.

[@reginald7214]

@@LovesHighGround right? Crazy

[@tonypaca3015]

and takes 3 minutes for a swap

[@Slaytheday388]

The newest 3.0 swap stations hold 22 batteries and they are 2 minutes faster. You guys are in a 2.0 swap station.

[@silys5253]

Yes but with the latest software updates the 2.0 has become quicker. Used to be 5 minutes. Some say it does it a minute quicker now 🤷‍♂️

[@saimonarnet5015]

You all seem to be missing the point about battery swapping. This will soon be completely autonomous. You will not be required to drive it to the swap station. The car will take its self there whilst you are at work or asleep or the autonomous taxi will schedule a swap when required etc. That is the future, I seem to recall NIO even releasing a short animation of just that only a few months ago. Just sayin 💪

[@silys5253]

Absolutely. With 3.0 PSS, swap will be fully autonomous. There is a video (not animation) that shows the process. Car drives (fully autonomous) to a swap station, swaps

[@niosanfrancisco]

also missing the point of being a VPP will generate income for NIO

[@mfurmyr]

Always check, dubble check and tripple check audio. Always clean lens and enough space on disk. Now Premiere Pro Beta can «wash» the sound. To many interviews are done with much background noise!

[@motorv8N]

Fascinating - thank you for bringing this to us. As someone who drives a mini Cooper SE with its puny little battery out into the rural charging waste lands north of Toronto, where getting a working charging station of the very few that you can find at all is literally a 50-50 chance - the idea that someone has actually succeeded at this kind of organizational and logistics effort to put in swap stations is like another universe. Nice to see!

[@torontodave9840]

Good video. First time watching you. To help with some of a couple of the questions asked. - Owning the battery allows you to swap same as any other time. Think of it more like permanent service. - 150 kW superchargers are going to push about 2.2 100 kWh cars through per hour from 20% to 80%, while a 3.0 swap station will do about 8.5 cars per hour. And the swap will bring them all the way from 10% to 90%. So I think if there were 4 cars in front of me before swapping, and I’m at 30% or more power, it’s faster to supercharge. If I’m the 4th or less and lower than 30%, it’s def faster to swap. Plus, you can enter the wait line on the app, which is super helpful. (It manages no shows or people too far away.)

[@charlesd9949]

Keep the NIO reviews coming, such a beautiful colour 'Taxi cab' yellow :). $NIO

[@rune54321]

Such a nice car

[@cordkretzschmar5693]

Nice to see you together. The Taxi Color i think is "Eierschalenfarbe" (old-fashioned) or beige.

[@KrisRifa]

Ahh, cool! Thanks :)

[@tomashley5869]

Great video with you guys! Cheers, Tom

[@Slaytheday388]

The 3.0 swap station you don’t back in it’s a drive through.

[@skasey4080]

no! all swap stations you back into. This is to reduce space of car park area required. difference between 2.0 and 3.0 is number of batteries available and also speed of swapping.

[@mrandersson2009]

NIO is the only car manufacturer seeing the light ie the obvious benefits of swappable batteries.. Hard to believe all others manufacturers are so blind, but here we are. Looking forward to see NIO succeed.

[@nigelbrown2274]

Go NIO.... great innovation with the battery swap

[@Planetside2Simon8989]

Why are there still people that think that "for every NIO you need 2 batteries because of swap stations"? With simple math it comes down to like 5-10 percent of extra battery packs needed for the whole NIO fleet.

[@nc3826]

It's due to illogical fanboy FUD memes..... As a side note, CATL has a modular battery swapping network, which allows swappable EVs to use less capacity then fixed battery pack EVs

[@peterb5706]

You can swap the battery whether you own the battery or not. The only difference is the payment involved.

[@madass88]

Kyle showed the updated charging speed in the ET5 touring, 180kw at 70%!

[@silys5253]

Yes. NIO low key about it but its a big deal. Some were critical of NIO due to low charging speed but the new battery fixes that!

[@evkx]

@@silys5253 the problem is that they swapped away the new battery with and old one in this video :-)

[@philiphelge6835]

More collabs with Kyle🚙 nice combo 😁

[@realteamme]

I feel like it's going to be a challenge infrastructure-wise in NA, but battery swapping seems like a great system if we just go all in on it and commit.

[@esb9814]

3 minutes for a fully charged battery with an option to upgrade the battery for longer road trips or sitting at a charging station for an hour? cmon. blows my mind there is even question as to the superiority of these swap stations

[@KrisRifa]

Well it is not 3 minutes, you have to look at the time from start to finish if you are going to compare with charging. From start to finish this took 7 minutes, as shown in the video. Still very fast compared to most EV's! But there are still a few drawsbacks compared to charging, even though charging in theory "takes longer". 1. There are only 26 swap stations in Europe, compared to more than 22 000 DC fast charginger (150kW+). 2. This is proprietary technology that only works with Nio vehicles. 3. It won't take many cars in line before charging is faster 4. Because there are so many chargers, queuing is rarely a thing. And once you are connected you can do what ever, go to the toilet, but drinks, buy food etc. For most people charging happens when you are already planning to stop. So in reality it doesn't add much, if any time to your travel. 5. These swap stations are very expensive and require trained personell. 6. If you are queuing. you can't do other stuff like go to the toilet, buy drinks, buys foods etc. Still great technology that has potential. But with most new EV's doing a 10-80% charge in 18-25min, I am not sure battery swap is the future.

[@chiefrocka1363]

​@@KrisRifa3.0 swap stations are faster than this one.

[@chiefrocka1363]

And you can still charge like a regular ev and fast charge.

[@FrankNolf]

1 hour at a charging station? What are you driving that you need to dc charge for 1 hour?

[@ecarpo3479]

At least in China you can swap batteries whether you own it or rent it.

[@nc3826]

hard to believe, since it would be a logistical nightmare....

[@ecarpo3479]

@@nc3826 Well you don’t get the same battery back obviously. You get a different battery, but you don’t pay the monthly fees of the rental service.

[@nc3826]

​ @ecarpo3479 NIO is allowing customers enrolled in battery swaps to 'opt out' and buy their EV batteries.... electrek | Apr 26 2022 - 10:24 am PT .... So the battery pack is purchased new or after it was leased... It's no longer part of the battery swapping program.... In China.... As of last year.... does not make sense that they would be swapping batteries that NIO doesn't own... I'm open if you have proof that they changed it?

[@ecarpo3479]

@@nc3826 I'm planning to buy a nio here in China and test drove the car last week and specifically asked this. Obviously if you purchase the battery and only want to use "your specific battery" then you just don't do battery swaps and only charge it. I am sure there is some type of agreement if you go to swap the battery that you are agreeing to exchanging it for a like for like version. I was told if you buy the 75kwh battery and wanted to upgrade to the 100kwh battery for some time you can also just pay a smaller rental fee while you use the larger battery. Yes you can opt out of the rental and purchase the battery at any time, as far as I'm aware it is not discounted by the money you already paid in subscription. But even if you first lease the battery then decide to buy it you can still swap it, or never swap it, up to you. This is my experience in China anyway in Europe I have no idea if it works differently.

[@nc3826]

@@ecarpo3479 Everything you just stipulated concurs with the reports about their BAAS battery swapping, except for the part about being able to swap a purchased battery pack..... Just make sure during the purchase process that contractually it stipulates that your purchased battery pack is still part of the battery swapping program.... I could give you a list of reasons why it seems illogical, but companies do illogical things all the time.... Good luck with your purchase.... BTW if you get the chance after you actually make the purchase.... if you could update this comment to confirm if you're understanding was correct or not? Since there's a chance I might purchase one at some point and would like to know....

[@2022spacekw]

12:50 the green light

[@evkx]

I learned today that if you swap battery with a ET5T with the new chemistry you might get the old battery in return. So you are going from 180KW charging to 130 after swap. In Norway it is currently 99.5% chance it will happen. So new ET5T owners should not swap if charging speed is important to them

[@__OniZuka]

Wow

[@willeisinga2089]

I wait for NIO SwapNGo Stations in the EU.

[@fuelbasti]

Comparing Tesla and Nio is comparing Coca Cola vs green tea.

[@mrkcaldwe5]

Can someone enlighten me… I get the benefits of a swap. But are you swapping batteries instead of charging?

[@integra8502]

Problem is ,. if there are 20 cars and only 1or 2 battery swapping stall...

[@reginald7214]

Then just plug it in? What's the confusion?

[@qilu2004]

check your mic the sound is funny at some points.

[@scotduckrow8524]

Will never work with subscription service in the US. Infrastructure would cost billions upon billions. Just sell a reliable fast charging battery with a VERY long warranty.

[@tony8718]

All ev should be battery swap

[@ram64man]

you can see many ex taxi's in Europe because they are all old E classes

[@marcolegault3564]

What happens in winter when you have ice, snow, salt/calcium and sludge stuck under the car ? Is this battery swap tech ready for harsh winters ?

[@reginald7214]

Yes

[@shaanm6360]

Good question but when have you ever seen ice build up under neath the car?

[@michaelbedard7859]

See Kyle a shorter airing video. It can be done.

[@reginald7214]

😂😆

[@qilu2004]

the problem with battery subscription plan is when you want to sell the car, the buyer needs to subcribe too or he has to buy a battery.

[@reginald7214]

Sure, they would be guaranteed a brand new battery tho. Pretty big deal for 2nd and 3rd owners 5-10 years down the line. You're not buying a paperweight.

[@qilu2004]

@@reginald7214 two issues: first NIO needs to stay alive 5-10 years down the road which is not a garanty at the moment. secondly, paying 150 dollars a month for battary lease may not seem much for someone buying a 60k dollar car, but does it appeal to someone who is looking to pay 20k dollars on a used car?

[@reginald7214]

@@qilu2004 if it's not a paperweight then yes. Take your fanboy logic elsewhere. If you don't want to rent then don't, just buy it out at the beginning of the purchase or anytime thereafter. Why is having options so confusing to the Tesla cultists? A ten year old Tesla will be Garbage.

[@qilu2004]

@@reginald7214 lol why do you think i am a tesla fanboy? i cannot tolerate the cheap feeling of tesla. having said that, I really don't think NIO's business model is sustainable. the reason NIO got a boost on sales recently is NIO offered consumers the choice of not enjoying free swaps in exchange for a upfront price cut of 30k rmb. A LOT OF NIO owners have complained about fast depreciation of their nio cars when they try to sell. it has a lot to do with batteries. used car buyers do not want to pay for monthly subsriptions and NIO is not very fair on the pricing of batteries alone.

[@user-of5uo1bc1n]

Sure you took 7 mins BUT the car behind you then took 14 mins, I just drove 1000 miles across Europe in my Tesla Y and the that was 6 stops of an average of 17 mins. If you add in that whilst the car was charging I was getting food/coffee, having a P etc where you cant leave the car whilst its battery swapping, meaning you still have to park up, that actually means the Tesla takes LESS time charging in the real world than Nio battery swapping...

[@enockheewonyoon1001]

You have a good honest point, except my experience with my Model Y at a busy super charging station is not better than this battery swap at all. If you are in a line at a super charging station, then the wait time inside of your car is far worse...

[@user-of5uo1bc1n]

In the two weeks I was driving around Europe I queued once for less than 10 mins.... Sorry but my experience say queues aren't an issue at Tesla chargers, at battery swap stations that are few and far between the same cant be said....@@enockheewonyoon1001

[@PedroQuesado]

You can fast charge NIO cars also

[@coz2j69]

LOL

[@thomasnyborg6233]

From an economic view, you are paying 140$ rent a month. Over 8 years (warranty on the battery)you have paid 13.440$...So even if you need a new battery after 9 years, it will be cheaper to cash out a new one..And 95% of the time you charge, its from your home at 10c per Kwh...So this free 200kwh a months accounts for 20$...Good deal for Nio,not for the car owner in my opinion..

[@FrankNolf]

yeah I was thinking the same, I don't see the logic of this BaaS subscription. Besides, if you buy one in Europe right now the whole swapping is a mood point because there are hardly any stations.

[@reginald7214]

Unless you don't have a home charger, of course. You have to weigh the opportunity cost of saving 12 grand up front or financing the full vehicle and battery price up front. The payback time on the battery is around 5-6 years. If you plan to keep it and have home charging and have the funds then buy the battery upfront. If you own cars for 5 years and trade in then saving the funds up front and having battery swap as an option on top of charging would be pretty economical. Depends on each person's situation. Nio's are designed to be long lasting so a second or third owner would probably prefer to have the ability to have the latest and greatest battery tech and not be stuck with whatever the first owner chose. Imagine battery tech 15 years from now when these cars are still on the road. Nio's 150 kWh semi solid state battery is only 20 kg heavier than the 100 unit. Battery tech is moving quickly.

[@FrankNolf]

@@reginald7214 i wonder how the second market will look for cars with a BaaS subscription, you have to find someone who is willing to take over your subscription

[@chiefrocka1363]

You pay for convenience. Also, if your battery has an issue, it's not your problem. That's peace of mind. Also if you need our want a bigger battery temporarily, you can just change it temporarily. Again convenience. Plus it's faster than charging.

[@thomasnyborg6233]

@@chiefrocka1363 it's faster with battery swap as long as there are nobody in front of you.. If you are nr3 for battery swap, it's the same time as charging 20min..

[@justanotherguy7798]

Enjoyable video but battery swap is not for me charging at home is why I love driving an EV.

[@reginald7214]

You can charge this at home.

[@PedroQuesado]

You can charge at home and also fast charge

[@Charlesbjtown]

Is it mandatory for youtubers to spread their arms in every thumbnail? Anyone know the purpose of this?

[@KrisRifa]

Yes! We are all contractually bound to it!

[@FrankNolf]

I dont see the business logic behind battery swapping, whatever time advange on long trips you have is gone if there is only 1 car in front of you so you need at least a couple stations on a location and the capital required to build an European network will be enormous.

[@chiefrocka1363]

That's why you check the wait time when you reserve your battery. It tells you wait time so you can finish your coffee if you want to and it's not a shot in the dark.

[@niosanfrancisco]

do your research

[@markdc1145]

Car battery swapping sounds like a great idea but a car is not a cell phone. This feature only adds unnecessary complication and weight.

[@MariusDumitru-sv5en]

Hey guys, thanks for the video, however, you guys are full of miss information, here’s some advice, spend about 10 to 20 minutes before you do the videos to get familiar with the car and also learn how the batteries work, that way you look professional and you know what you’re talking about

[@KrisRifa]

"you guys are full of miss information". What misinformation did we share in this video exactly?

[@MariusDumitru-sv5en]

@@KrisRifa in the video you said that only if you rent the battery you can swap, that’s not correct. If you own the battery you can swap as well. Also, some of the owners have swap for life. Also, in the third generation battery swap, the car does not turn off that’s important to mention. and many others to many mention

[@nirajojha4735]

In Europe (unlike in China), you need to be "rent" (be in BAAS) the battery to be able to swap. Those that own outright do not get to swap.

[@KrisRifa]

@@MariusDumitru-sv5en that's not what we said, we said battery swap is included in the price of the subscription service. If you buy the battery, you have to pay for that separately. Can't find any information about "swap for life", do you have a link? 3.0 batteries aren't out yet, so can't speak on what or how they work. So it is not correct that we spoke misinformation, as you claimed.

[@FrankNolf]

@@MariusDumitru-sv5en lol, on the Dutch nio website it clearly says that battery swap is only possible if you lease the battery, maybe before claiming misinformation you should do some research yourself

[@johnnguyen699]

Wouldn't work in America, because of vandalism, theft, and homeless issues...

[@charlesd9949]

Kris on you on Twitter/X? A large NIO community there would be great to have you as a part of it.