Rim Brake Resurgence? The TriRig Omega One

Here's a video that's sure to cause a stir. At TriRig, we believe in the right solutions to each problem. And disc brakes in triathlon are simply NOT the ideal solution. Here's why we think rim brakes are still king of the hill in our sport. Check out the products mentioned in this video:
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I can't believe that as a mountain biker i just watched a 7 minute ad of an areo rim brake :D

[@rickdeckard6597]

Same here... I can't explain...

[@TheMrbrookster]

Dunno, it seemed more like an infomercial.

[@judosteffer]

Dudes a hell of a salesman

[@markusseppala6547]

It's the manson lamps

[@myburneraccount669]

Next week you gonna buy a gravel bike, and a week after that a touring bike, and then finally a road bike

[@durianriders]

Rim for road and disc for dirt.

[@worldsend69]

And dirt for disc pad contamination.

[@russmartinez7988]

Add water

[@sepg5084]

Hydraulic for brakes, cable for shifters.

[@sepg5084]

​@@worldsend69 tell that to mountain bikers

[@TechInfo-ul4xr]

😂 DISC FOR SCAMMING FOR PARTS

[@drill_fiend1097]

These are fine for road/triathlon bikes on dry, sunny day, but for gravel, mountain and general mixed weather commuting I would prefer disc.

[@holben27]

I hear this all the time, but rim brakes are fine in all weather if you're on alloy wheels. I'm a winter commuter who rides a single speed rim brake bike. Discs and hydraulic lines accumulate water and freeze. After this made me late to work 3 times in a row, I went to cantilever brakes and never looked back. Bonus is they have enough clearance to keep snow and ice from accumulating on the brakes.

[@drill_fiend1097]

@@holben27 mechanical disc brakes does exist though. But I do annual bleeding for my hydraulic brakes and never had fluids freezing from water getting in.

[@neptarclepuffin]

@@drill_fiend1097 Have used them also have issues with feed back from not maintaining them (shteel rusts). Rim brakes are simpler and easier to repair and the pads are extremely standardized to the point where there are no other mounting points other than a singular M6 bolt, probably a spherical washer but you reuse that hardware. I still won't buy this informercial rim brake though, the tire in front of that caliper is already turbulent due to the air sticking to it and causing vortices. I do like hydraulic brakes if they recommend mineral oil in them, the dot 3 is hydroscopic. PS use silicone O-Rings on your cups or over time they will leak onto your rotor and wipe the entire setup out, then you have to bake them out and sand the rotors LIGHTLY you don't want to change the thickness of them.

[@MrChippinator]

Last spring I was out cycling in pouring rain. My bike has rim brakes but I use alloy rims. I had no problems stopping whatsoever. I'm not racing, ride my bike for training (I also go to the gym), so I see no reason to replace my 10 year old bike with rim brakes and alloy rims. Never had a problem with that setup.

[@deadreckoner5276]

I have mostly rim brake bikes. But I have GRX Di2 hydraulics on my gravel bike and they are honestly incredible. For adverse weather and rougher conditions disc is a no brainer.

[@adamjd7645]

​@deadreckoner5276 I've never lacked the ability to lock the wheels in wet weather with a rim brake & alloy rims. The limiting factor is always the road-tyre interface.

[@markswales762]

Common sense you’ve got it………discs…more money for manufacturers of bikes…then it will die and back to rims on aluminium, yes discs for mountain bikes going into mud etc.

[@vasiliipopov416]

The last rim brake bike I had was cursed with one issue - since I lived in northern parts with lots of rains and did ride on all surfaces, including light gravel, every season I had to change the wheels because the dust and sand combined with water created a perfect grinding paste to obliterate the rim's braking surface. I used Kool Stop wet weather brake pads and those served for about 5-7 thousand kilometers, however, for each two pairs of pads new rims were needed as well. There you have it for "simplicity" and "ease of maintenance". And we don't even have as much rain as in the UK.

[@oreocarlton3343]

You had alu or carbon rims and cleaned them regularly?

[@wesleyvandeurzen7199]

wiping down the rims and the pads takes like 5 minutes. You should have done that atleast 1 time a week if you ride alot

[@StonerOnLane]

Don't blame the equipment for your relaxation, I live in a beach area, I get rained on all the time and my rims have 30,000km

[@markthomasson5077]

And scary if you blow a rim.

[@markthomasson5077]

I guess if you can afford such exotic kit, either you can afford new rims, or you save it for race days

[@MarcAntoineBouchet]

living in the Alps, by any weather, I'd never go back to rim brakes for 10km+ steep downhills, mostly during rainy days, discs have been game changers for safety here, already had exploded a tube because of the heat generated on the rim. But for flat riding, aero, maintenance and cost, I totally agree with you.

[@oreocarlton3343]

It exploded on carbon clinchers?

[@MarcAntoineBouchet]

@@oreocarlton3343 It was on aluminum Mavic front rim after I climbed the "Semnoz"

[@oreocarlton3343]

@@MarcAntoineBouchet yikes, did you crashed? It happened to me as well, before I thought it was a myth but because of wrong pads on ceramic oldschool rims

[@MarcAntoineBouchet]

@@oreocarlton3343 yes I did, but I've been lucky not to get hurt, I'm really careful since this happened^^ I hope you didn't crash, it's scary ! It only happened one time for me.

[@oreocarlton3343]

@@MarcAntoineBouchet I did mtb for a long time and decided to get a road bike (like many XXXtreme mtbers who try road you entered it with a slight sense of superiority and thing you know everything important), I got a very nice old school used road bike for a nice price. Since I was on hydro disc brakes for so long and did the same mountain road descents on my local mountain in Croatia with my old V-brake mtb, I thought I knew everything I need to know about brakes and especially rim brakes and didnt asked a mechanic to look the bike up (since after all I majored to hydros and did XXXtreme mtb - many people sadly get to think like that) . What I forgot to realize is that stated max tire pressure on road is more than 2x of mtb time so a big volume mtb tire is very hard to explode by rim overheating...anyway on my first descent with that road bike (it had shimano pads on ceramic mavic rims and not salmons when I bought it so you really had to squeeze it and 20mm skinwalls but Im no complainer and forgot the technicalities of rims and pad combo during that time) on the same road Ive done so many times I noticed a change in pressure on the front tire after exiting a switchback at around 40kmh. Ive experienced many rear pinchflats and a few fronts on mtb so the feeling of pressure loss at speeds was there. I stopped at the side of the road to check the front tire and it was dead flat. Rim was ultra hot. I didnt crashed but a lot could have happened if I didnt stop to check when I felt I needed to. After that Ive changed rims and pads, never dragged the brake like a tool and it never happened again, but tube blowouts from braking are not a myth they can be fatal at descent speeds. I think they are more common with beginners who drag the brakes and not brake with intention to let them cool down. Long story but Ive learned a lot from it. Also, rim brake bikes, braking aside, are more enjoyable to ride, they feel more planted, disc brakes also have spoke windup and their initial bite is noticeable compared to calipers. Ive only noticed that after riding rims again.

[@TheAntoine191]

It might not be relevant to a pure racing triathlon bike but what i like in discs is wet braking consistency and not grinding my carbon rims. Then i m a rim brake user, mostly because i dont want to change stuff that work and perform.

[@weberito]

Guy is just selling his product omitting the obvious. Really poor marketing.

[@rosomak8244]

@@weberito Ah the rain man argument again. That's because people love to get out on a bike when there water is pouring from the skies. BTW> Switch your pads when they are no good in rain.

[@weberito]

@@rosomak8244 I guess you just never mtb’d in moderate climate where quarter of the year is muddy, this is not imaginary problem

[@DilbertMuc]

@@rosomak8244 I guess you never cycled in the Alps where on blue sky suddenly clouds appear and you have a 1000m descent in rain showers. Canti and rim brakes in general let you grow grey hair in a time lapse all the way down to the valley.

[@waynehiggins899]

Rim for road disc for dirt

[@bretzky9261]

Awesome video, i'm glad someone finally said it.

[@TechInfo-ul4xr]

😂 yes ...tired of rotor noise..pads that give out when oil gets on them then you have nonstopping

[@Jarrych83]

I just got some Kool Stop pads for my rim brakes on my commuter bike. Never had a problem stopping on 40% downgrades in pouring rain in seattle after riding through all kinds of road yuck toward the bike lanes. And these were the standard cannondale V brakes that come on lots of their commuter and consumer bikes.

[@linaslinas3170]

Kool stop is a legend which seems to be dying :(

[@Jarrych83]

@@linaslinas3170 maybe I better order a few pairs...

[@heiko6376]

Great. That video makes my day (and that of my 2018 P5) 😎

[@ohnezuckerohnefett]

Thanks for stepping out of your shower just to bring us this important message.

[@SkarTisu]

Good job building in tire clearance and additional reach adjustment. Those were the two things that immediately came to mind as worries when I started the video.

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

Can we also please keep the square taper bottom bracket?.... Or at least a threaded bottom bracket?

[@Todd66]

I can see how Rim Brake would be better for aero. I’m a MTB rider, so disc brakes are really ideal for my application, but damn!!! Those TRO 1 are badass looking. I DIG the engineering, so impressive. If I rode road (lol) I would rock those bad boys. Kudos Good video too!

[@jamesdpayton83]

I have never come across a set of brakes that stop better than my old Shimano xtr v brakes.

[@manchesterexplorer8519]

I rock the XTR's on my 1991 Kona Hei Hei and they work great . The only thing a disc brake is needed for is downhill mountain biking , other than for extreme downhill biking disc brakes are never really needed.

[@oreocarlton3343]

Hydraulic Disc's are way more powerful than the strongest vbrake, but all that power is useless outside of mtb, disc's also have a strong initial bite compared to rims so a lot of initial modulation is lost

[@DaBinChe]

the old Advid Ultimate V brakes from 20+years ago before SRAM are better than the XTR V brakes. I still have a set on my brothers 25year old mtb

[@MichaelDavid-p1i]

There was an oak tree in Woodford that was better than any brakes ever invented. It stopped my brother from riding in a road. Tree no long exists as my dad cut it down. RIP brother Danial

[@jeraldsomdahl5651]

I've used rim brakes for over 50 years. 3-4 thousand miles a year. Can't see any reason to change to discs. I did use hub brakes for a while in a rainy area. I do have Tririg brakes on my tt bike.

[@peterdallyn6440]

It depends on what you're using the bike for. I've used rim brakes for 30 years and love my disc brakes, far superior. In the wet there's no competition.

[@granfondoguide5991]

Right on!

[@cx123456]

So after years of developement you managed to create a working copy of colnago delta brakes? Stunning achievement, bravo!

[@michaelgnafakis430]

This is actually really good race advice for tri and time trials bikes. They are flat out the worst handling bikes and would greatly benefit on better braking modulation. Ironman Sacramento had torrential downpours and some hard turns where modulation is hugely beneficial. And most tri athletes I’ve seen aren’t into bikes/maintenance and the reliability and simplicity of a cable verses hydraulic line is massive. The reworks stopped using them because of dirt,water and mud which only leaves water for tri and time bikes to deal with and modern compounds can easily solve that. Personally I only ride dirt but after volunteering on the course for sacs triathlons this makes total sense to me There’s drawbacks but not many.

[@gregbianchi2689]

I have Cane Creek EE brakes and love them. Light and very strong.

[@АрсенийРозенберг-э2л]

Campag Chorus Monoplaner still not beaten by design :) Used similar construction on vintage AX Shimano brakes, same working principle, but they are just not stopping you and requires almost no innitial gap between pad and rim.

[@GatorDevastator]

Over 500$ for a rim brakes.......its a joke

[@pranavgaonkar8660]

But then again, these were designed with full time professional cyclists at the highest level in mind

[@tomrachellesfirstdance7843]

I still have a rim brake bike and the prices of bikes I cannot justify spending so much to get a new bike on par just for disks. I am glad your still pushing the tech the brakes look sweet too. Convincing the Mrs to part way with the money they are.. That will be difficult 😂

[@DaveCM]

You say a lot of words, but have no data to back up your claims.

[@ClarkS963]

They are absolutely superior for triathletes. Triathletes aren't braking like road racers anyway. And so much simpler to work on when traveling for races.

[@newtoncoffin2254]

i own 7 bikes all rim brakes no issues i don't go down the Swiss alps in the pouring rain who does

[@snorttroll4379]

I do

[@veganpotterthevegan]

​@@newtoncoffin2254 I've downsized to 8 bikes. Disc brakes are hands down, better than rim brakes. Even in dry weather, they're significantly better. I'm a 10min warmup ride to 2 different HC climbs I've ridden significantly more in rim brakes than disc brakes. But I descend significantly faster due to being able to brake so much later than with rim brakes

[@GaweNowakowski]

​@@newtoncoffin2254I was in alps with my rim brake road bike and my brother on discs. During descents I didnt have any problems with overheating contrary to my brother, but I would prefer to have discs when it was raining.

[@beeldpuntXVI]

@vegan… What’s the complete stup whit what materials are you comparing, which brakeman’s? Material composition. The power of braking is only determined by tyre choice, right before the tire skids on the ground a fraction o a second before this skid you reached max breakpower. For both systems it’s The same

[@dalis994]

Still using rim brakes. I'm not racing, just riding for fun. Yes disc brakes are more consistent regardless of wheather. But I choose when I ride. I don't remember when I was soaked wet on my ride. If it rains (which is rare in my case) most of the time it's just light showers. As for excessive rim temperatures in the mountains, I rode thousands of kms in the mountains, mostly in the french alps, never had any problem with overheating. BTW I'm pretty light and that helps.

[@MrChippinator]

I rode in pouring rain with rim brakes and alloy rims. No problems stopping whatsoever. The biggest issue is stopping on carbon rims. Unless you're racing, why do you need carbon rims anyway?

[@vasiliipopov416]

If I weren't riding in the rain, I'd probably have only 2 or 2.5 months of riding every year, which is unacceptable for a commute solution. And rim brakes eat through rim brake surfaces pretty easily if you live in a wetter part of the world, especially if your city isn't cleaned properly from the dust. I had a rim brake bike for two years and had to change the rear wheel twice and the front once for that reason.

[@OGillo2001]

As a mate put it, '...on Mallorca, disc brakes are solving a problem we haven't got...'

[@Dumbo3.1428]

Testing the supreme aerodynamics without the cables is the way to go!

[@frozerekmeyata4091]

They did that with internal housing.

[@Dumbo3.1428]

@@frozerekmeyata4091 as far as I know there is no possibility to anker the cable somewhere else but on the top of the caliper. Wich means that they yust left it off

[@gracierunwiththewind]

Great video I have always hated disc brakes, the only benefit they have is in the wet and no rim brake surface to burn. But it still does not answer the solution to stop heat build up of your carbon rims especially for long descents, despite all the claims of the resins they use.

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

The company selling high end rim brakes explaining why rim brakes are better.

[@tririg]

Yes. But we design what we want. No one tells us we MUST design rim brakes over disc brakes. This video explains why we choose to do so.

[@blaze1148]

haha - yup

[@jaymueller2418]

@@tririgIt’s a fantastic brake and looks beautiful. It’s great for people looking for a powerful, aero, and well built brake for their rim brake rig. But the likelihood of the market swinging back toward rim brakes is low.

[@frozerekmeyata4091]

@@jaymueller2418 Just because the market is swinging that way doesn't mean that marketing is right. The only place where disk brakes are needed on a road bike is on CF rims, those are what the pros use, the average rider has no reason to be riding on CF rims other than to look like a pro racer complete with the drugstore racer look of wearing racing kit. Just because professional snake oil pushers say we all need to be on disk brakes doesn't mean they're right. This is all about money, the marketing forces are trying to take as much money as possible out of cyclists' credit cards, and we're all stupid enough to believe the lies and spend the money...and they know it.

[@sepg5084]

​@@frozerekmeyata4091 and this video is also trying to take as much money away from you as possible too, since this is a marketing video 😉 It's not about rim or disc for me, it's about cable vs. hydraulic actuation. If they had affordable hydraulic rim brakes, maybe i'd get one. Once i experienced the smoothness of hydraulic actuation, there's just no going back. It's like cable clutch vs. hydraulic clutch, cable feels jurassic.

[@musgravecycles]

Spot-On! A couple more points: Maintenance - the average home mechanic will struggle to maintain their own bikes with complated internal hydraul runs, bleeds, etc. My time is very limited and Id rather be out riding the dealing with yet another brake bleed, etc Rim brake wheels - and frames - for that matter ride better. As you said disc wheels requite extra spokes and dont ride as well as wheels 10 years ago did. Even frames, particularly forks, have gotten stiffer. Even most of us steel frame builders go up a gage on fork blades for a diac frame. There are about a hundred other reasons why rim brakes are superior in most ways. You hit the nail on the head with 'system weight' for example. Oh and dont forget that pros have actually lost races due to extended wheel change times, etc, etc. I love my 203 rotor hydraulics on my trail bike...but for anything else give me rim brakes!

[@SaschaRissling]

If anyone asks me how to choose a bike for triathlon i mostly tell them to look for great deals on used rimbrake bikes. People are selling rockets with all the bells and whistles, Di2, deep dish wheels etc. Also the deals you can get on used rim brake disc wheels are incredible. Also rim brake parts will be available for years to come. Come race day and you have a broken rim brake part, you'll easily get a replacement at any bike shop or bike rental. May it be a brake line or a caliper. Quick fixing a disc brake? Not so much. I was on the fence going back to rim brake actually, selling my disc brake speed max and getting a well maintained argon 18 with all the stuff on it. Decided to stay with my bike though because all our bikes are disc brakes.

[@head2tomek]

I like both systems. One point not mentioned is that all breaking surfaces are subject to wearing. When you invest in a good pair of wheels it’s easier and cheaper to simply change rotors.

[@recyclespinning9839]

Coming from old school, campy super record from the 80s. I bought another newer bike with dual pivot campy brakes , and campy brake cables, I was amazed at why you need disc brakes except maybe in the rain or mountains..

[@ivanboesky1520]

The only advantage they provide in the mountains is under extremely wet conditions or a poorly designed carbon rimmed wheel with a bad braking surface. In the dry a disc will heat up and start to warp on extended braking during a dry descent far faster than a rim wheels’ braking surface will because it has far less braking surface area than the outer edge of a wheel rim does. Plus the margin for error - distance from the brake to the braking surface is far smaller on a disc brake versus a rim brake making that warping disadvantage at the disc brake rotor even more of a detriment versus a rim brake. That doesn’t even get to the other obvious disadvantages in the mountains of discs versus rim brakes due to their inferior aerodynamics and the average weight of a typical disc brake set up is a good 1.5 pounds heavier than a typical comparable rim brake set up.

[@MrChippinator]

Last spring I did both a crazy descent and a ride in pouring rain on my 10 year old Argon 18. In fact, I think rim brakes saved me as I got the line wrong on the descent. Basically I nearly went off the road but the fact that I had rim brakes ensured I didn't get a lockup and allowed me to get the bike under control before going off into the ditch. This way I was able to save the bike and stayed upright. Same thing, in severe downpour, you just need rim brakes on alloy rims. Discs have a negligible advantage on everything except carbon rims. That cycling trip, if nothing else, proved the efficacy of rim brakes when using alloy rims.

[@rosomak8244]

@@ivanboesky1520 You are very generous with the 1.5 pound claim. Typically it's even more.

[@troydelbridge4878]

Rim brakes can be deadly in the wet when the riding surface is also dusty, I’ve experienced total rim braking failure on road descents under these conditions, but never with discs under the same conditions - the water and fine dust form what is essentially a lubricating compound between the pads and the rim making the generation of braking friction impossible - so there is a reason rim brakes have become outdated technology. I would never go back to rim brakes for safety reasons alone.

[@MrChippinator]

@@troydelbridge4878 were you using alloy or carbon rims? I agree rim brakes should be nowhere near a carbon rim.

[@us2043]

Hi Nick what an awesome product. question 1, what's the max rim with your brakes take? question 2, what's the max tire with they take?

[@Reeses0810]

My old haro mtb with XTR rim brakes stops with modulation and brute force

[@pflichtprogramm1]

I feel that for triathlon, one important thing has to be mentioned: The dynamics and agility of braking is far less important than in road bike racing. And this is why so many of the disc brake advantages are pointless in triathlon and rim brake disadvantages are minor - it is a sport in which cycling works just very different than racing in a group.

[@270ie8]

Nice product for rim brake frame and forks. Rim brakes are disc brakes. The rim is a large disc, the brake is a caliper stopping the rim from turning. Also, you are stopping the rim and tire only, disc brakes stop the rotor, hub, through the spokes, and then the rim. Before disc non drive side spokes rarely broke. Plus, in most conditions most rim brakes work great. I'd like to see some pics of a bike with the brakes installed. Downside, rim brakes wear the expensive rim down. Eventually grit will get into the pads and sand the rim down slowly. Weight at the rim going to be less without the need for a braking surface. Most high-end fork makers are going to have more selection with disc options. The disc brake market is way larger than the rim brake. Make a fairing for a disc brake you can pop on and off and you've equaled the aerodynamics. Exposed cables are drag, even in front of the headtube, as much as a rotor. Disc brakes do add weight, but you can easily reach the legal minimum road bike weight with disc. Like it or not disc brakes are going to be on most new bikes. Rim brakes are slowly fading away.

[@dydanz]

imo braking power also influenced by many factors: rim surface, brake pad compound, and weather! then we can talk about caliper (single/direct mount, pull mechanism etc).

[@Speedy.V]

Disc brakes allow for better modulation and greater consistency throughout. You brake latter with more power and less stress.

[@robertmcfadyen9156]

Remember MTB brake booster arches from the v brake era of the late 1990's . This is another concept aiding performance . I have these .

[@ofeykalakar1]

Look like C Record from the 80’s

[@MrMasterFlash]

Great pitch. Please explain why they are only good for triathlon bikes

[@blaze1148]

Don't carbon wheel rims wear with rim brakes..... Not getting rid of my discs - thanks.

[@cuebj]

Probably great for triathlon. Having got to age 65 with only rim brakes on road bikes, I did get a disc brake bike 2nd hand. The game changer was Shimano 105 dual pivot on alloy rims back in 1980s. But, in gritty environments, rims wear out fast and can be expensive. Second, disc brakes allow for changing wheels with different width rims and tyres. Age 69 in London with the current rough and crumbly roads, disc brakes are best for me... but I still like my Ultegra 2007 brakes on a 2007 Cannondale System6 on Mavic Ksyrium alloy rims but the rims are for 23C tyres and that's too narrow for our potholes, ruts, grit

[@alfonshasel1995]

20 years ago i Had a Mountainbike with a v-brake. It Had the Most stopping Power of all of my Bikes. But it was really hard to dose it, IT either didnt brake or Just Stop. Discs are far Superior in that regards.

[@aptrendz1815]

Where were you? Was about to quit triathlon cos of insane prices of bike, and the wave that came that rim brakes are collector's item. Cheers!

[@aldrinclementina4297]

So this is only for TT bike frames? 😢 No version for aero road bike frame??

[@novan3]

I was wondering if this would be compatible with a '19 Ridley Noah Fast frame by switching out the direct mounted BR-R9110-F caliper

[@Cicadawee]

"Rim brakes will last longer and are the Best"

[@newtoncoffin2254]

TDF raced on rim brakes for years and years no worries or issues

[@Cicadawee]

@@newtoncoffin2254 That is so true. Most often, this recommendation by the manufacturer is over hype. An example is the Quick release lever; they took it out to entertain the thru axel, which evidently is having problems in replacing during the road race, and some have rubbing issues with wheel replacement, like what happened recently in the Tour de France, which cost the Poor pro to lose his position and end up losing. The same in our place and disc on the road are not even aero advantage to get those marginal gains and are costing People fortune and wives leaving(🤣 joke). Rim Brake bikes on high-end frames are starting to come back again, namely Giant because they saw what is happening plus the cost people are complaining about.

[@Cicadawee]

@@newtoncoffin2254 Giant bikes slowly realize that rim brakes are " It" for most consumers due to the lower price and more aero compared to disc brakes, a slight advantage to the disc in stopping power, but rim brakes faired longer in usage as to how many years you can use it on the bike usually 10-15 plus years. It still stops really well. There is no proven advantage of Aero over caliper brakes. For example, For this TriRig, what do you think has the aero advantage over the two? Of course, it is this Aero caliper. Point blank Discs are for MTB with those needing rubbing on power.

[@lesterroberts1628]

maybe disc brakes are for touring bikes that are loaded up with gear and need to handle extended steep descents without popping the tube from an overheated rim

[@meliodashadeyoshi2115]

I just got a hold of a rabobank giant tcr 2013 and definitely love the rim brakes!

[@mhn23visual]

I'm not completely sold on Disc-Brakes being "tech not needed". You can't deny that no matter what you do, eventually the breaking surface of the rims will deteriorate. There is also the risk of delamination due to the intense heat being induced into the rims, could be dangerous on longer descents. Being able to have a dedicated breaking surface that is replaceable for cheap, running on my carbon hoops is a definite plus for me. I never have to worry about the integrity of my carbon rims or have to look for carbon rims with alloy surfaces that could delaminate. Everyone ever who watched Hambinis videos know how dangerous this shit is. Not saying it happens a lot, but it never made sense to me to buy good carbon rims for 2000+€ and use the rim to break on it. Modern, decent disk breaks are great and relativly inexpensive compared to your 500€ solution (2pack), that will slowly eat away in the rim, which for that price points most people run 1.5-2k worth of rims. I can get 2 entire 105 electronic shifters as well break calipers, pads, hoses for 380€ as a kit and 2 really good rotors for 40€ each and still have cash to spare. And after getting the tools to maintain my breaks, i never had to worry that i wasn't able to maintain it myself. Now is it a pain to service compared to rim? sure, I'll give you that.

[@sepg5084]

It's not about rim or disc for me, it's about cable vs. hydraulic actuation. If they had affordable hydraulic rim brakes, maybe i'd get one.

[@SwordOfGod642]

There are a lot of rich idiots who think an insanely expensive bike will make them a pro-cyclist 🙂

[@mpvsystems9302]

Bravo! I will be purchasing a set of your brakes for my road bike! Needless to say, the industry has not only been pushing disc brakes as a solution to a non existent braking problem on the road, they have been doing the very same stunt for tires. Tubulars for racing simply offer the most comfort and lowest weight for a given tire diameter by virtue of having a full 360 degrees of casing, and therefore, more hoop stress for a given pressure. A set tubular wheels is hundreds of gram lighter than clincher wheels. Every experienced racing cyclist knows that clinchers of the same diameter are incredibly harsh, hence the need to keep increasing their diameter despite the increasing aero and weight penalty. Notice that the British Olympic track team is using 19C tubs on the front and 23 on the back - because they know that less frontal area is faster, period. What the industry knows - and is pushing - is that they can make an "open" clincher style tire for a fraction of the cost of a tubular and with a lot more profit in it. Please bust this BS too!

[@wannabecarguy]

I was begging for disc brakes. I was not forced into them. I have never regretted them.

[@markfroome]

I am living in a place where I have at least 1km of elevation gaining per training session. So I am not sure that it is possible for rim brakes to exist in mountain regions. I even talked with locals and one said that he replaces his pads every 3-5 weeks and he never uses carbon wheels. Also, wheels are really struggling on descends here, so if we are talking about the absolute maximum in terms of average speed on a flat - yeah, rim brake, IMO is the best. But for mountains, we can only use disk brakes because of 30-40 min during descent in a 40 C heat

[@MarkLRandall]

Outrageously expensive. So how many watts do they save, vs say a Shimano rim brake caliper? A couple maybe, tops? Disc brakes allow all kind of flexibility with wheels/tires, swapping wheels on a given bike, and fine tuning aero of tire/wheel interface. And for Tri, aero is way more important than weight.

[@akaraikiriakatsuki3157]

The only downside I can see in Disc Brakes for road bikes is the PRICE. I don't know what data are you looking when you say rim brakes are more reliable, because not everyone weighs 50kg, some of us weight 80-130kg which needs more clamping force. Not to mention the reliability on different weather conditions, sure the disc brake system wasn't perfect but if a cheap MT200 brake system can be used for years w/o any maintenance, I don't understand why road bike disc brakes can become less reliable.

[@JohnCollins-th8hm]

And the craziest part is you can pick up rim brake frames and tubular wheels completely dirt cheap now. I know cuz I didnt need any more bikes yet Ive bought 5 old bikesin the last 6 months because I was compelled to strictly because they were all great bikes for pennies on the dollar.

[@joggerino3284]

But what is the clearance? up to 32-35 mm?

[@craiglee8482]

Amen brother, Proud Luddite (Cheshire, England)

[@PedroNord]

Disc brakes for bicycles are a great solution for something that was never a problem.

[@psclassy1123]

Beautiful and Im sure effective brake. What if you ride in the mountains a lot?

[@tririg]

Mountain/trail riding is a good candidate for rim brakes. Mud will get caked on your tires/rims and impede the mechanics of braking. Separating the braking on an independent rotor helps in those cases.

[@doBobro]

I don't even have a bike but want to buy this brake!

[@samguan5236]

I heard starting in 2019ish that people are not able to stop with rim brake anymore.

[@kanuckster1]

Still like my Shimano 600ax Aero brakes from 1981 which look similar to these. These TriRig Omega One brrakes cost as much as my whole bike did with the Shimano 600ax Aero brakes back in 81 😂

[@waynehadley1999]

I have these on my Kestrel LTD 4000, great brakes!

[@campbellpaul]

That's pretty neat! You need to design some retractable drag-flaps in addition for added braking power 🤓

[@DIYmotorcycle]

My idea for the rim brake I had back in the 90s this Rim brake would extend out of the fork leg, it would have been a cable pull system. All the mechanism would have been contained inside the fork leg itself. That was the easy part routing a cable mechanism to make it work was not. This was about the same time that disc brakes were coming out mechanical but disc brake nonetheless. So that idea went on the scrap pile.😏

[@DilbertMuc]

Hmm... there was Trek Madone around 2020 that had very similar looking fully integrated brakes. Looked good, was aero and had a breaking power like a greased butt on a skating rink. How is TriRig different? You don't tell us. But it looks like a fancy roller-cam brake hidden inside aero outers... 🤔

[@newunderthesun7353]

99% of riders will never experience a difference in racing performance. Use what you can afford and what is comfortable for your riding style.

[@driverjamescopeland]

To be honest, 99.999% of racers will never see a win/loss from this brake assembly. On the flip side... that cammed cable lever is sure to give improved feel and transition over just about any brake on the market.

[@cabaneencac5168]

Looks a lot like the vintage Shimano 600ax Aero Brake Calipers and the Campagnolo C Record Delta brake from yesteryear. Hoping your new one has a more effective cam system.

[@iantyrrell6549]

can these brakes be used on a normal carbon road bike ?

[@fernandog.aguirre2791]

Over 20 years ago Campagnolo already came out with this rim brake design!

[@ForestBunz]

Campagnolo 'Delta' brakes sucked ass when you needed serious stopping power, but were gorgeous. We called them "speed modifiers".

[@RobSchlumpberger]

There is little doubt that disk brakes are better overall in all conditions. They are the future and you'll not be able to get a top-level frame that is disk only before to long. But the rim brake has been around for decades and continued to improve over the years up to the current available brakes. As rim brakes go, they are phenomenal! Wet braking can be improved using pads for that condition. They still fall short of what disk brakes are capable of. Ease of maintenance is another plus for rim brakes. But carbon wheels still have pretty big shortcomings in the equation. Overheating and delaminating, poor wet stopping, and the occasional tube overheating and popping to name a few. I like my rim brakes but trying to argue they are just as good or better is hot air. Disks are a better braking system.

[@nizerp]

A great way to extend the life and performance of old frames. Another important point that would be good to address is the availability of fast aluminum brake track rims. What's a best vs best comparison? Taking a system approach, what's the best rim brake total package vs best disc brake package?

[@tririg]

Great things to think about. We may do a follow up video with these things in mind.

[@matkrek]

Hed jet

[@vaponte8541]

Disk Brake are an absolute nightmare to setup, weigh more, need to bleed them every year, requires more tools, and parts.

[@vr4966]

Seems like it’s only for TRI bikes?

[@grahamelliott6041]

Alloy ? Do you mean Aluminium Alloy ?

[@planttheseed2129]

I have a Custom Titanium Rim break and a Trek Domane 5.2 Rim brake. Will these fit on these bikes?

[@Si1ent1]

Oh yea let me just get a pair for my emtb that weighs 27kg. I'm sure that'll work out well

[@frozerekmeyata4091]

I have been trying to tell people this on different forums for years, and got yelled at by everyone, even after showing proof!

[@Это_просто_капут]

i like disc brakes as they; easer to press but give same results or even better, if your wheel has a curve disk brakes most likely wont care and as we know that disc in disc brakes is rubbing out as pads then its cheaper to change rotor and braking pads unlike wheel rim and rim brake pads

[@ChrisAcheson]

Brakes are the most important thing on any vehicle. Rim brakes on aluminum works are OK. Disc brakes are more dependable in the rain. Enjoy the ride.

[@jameshisself7375]

Force is exactly the word. Which is why there is a resurgent used bike market.

[@anonymouspubliccitizen5000]

maybe one of suppliers for modern rim brakes is TriRig -- cool

[@vasipro]

I don't even have a road bike and I WANT to buy these.

[@casparwhittey]

Really interesting - this is how you're supposed to advertise your product.

[@johndor1904]

Didnt some one already make this? Campagnolo delta? When building an all weather commuter, fat/snow bike or MTB id only use disc, but my bmx race bike rim. I have several different types of rim brakes on my random bikes. I just want to say my 86 schwinn high sierra has some stupid powerful roller cam brakes, i think the marketed name was Pitbull, they really bite

[@ConsciousBreaks]

Aside from the aerodynamic shaping (and the single pivot mounting), this seems to be the exact same as an old school roller cam brake. I definitely prefer rim brakes, but the one thing that disc brakes will definitely always win out on is wet weather and offroad performance, especially with carbon fiber rims. 1:52 A little bit of misdirection here because if you have to use aluminum rims with these (which will be shallow), then you will be at a significant disadvantage because the disc brake bike will be using a deep carbon wheel. In any case, no one who uses a brake like this is going to use aluminum rims, so that point is moot. In my experience, modern carbon fiber rims and brake pads make it hard to notice any difference in dry braking performance with aluminum rims, though.

[@IlPinnacolo]

Aluminum rims do not have to be shallow at all, HED Jet 6 are some of the best wheels on the market. Aluminum rim, 60mm carbon fairing, as light as many full carbon wheels. Other brands have/had similar designs like shimano, bontrager, mavic. The aluminum/carbon hybrid is the most elegant design for all around performance.

[@ConsciousBreaks]

@@IlPinnacolo Yes, I forgot about those until after I posted the comment. *Still* , aluminum/carbon fiber hybrid wheels are definitely far more niche than full carbon fiber rims, and my comment still applies in that case. The HED wheels are definitely a good option, though.

[@IlPinnacolo]

@@ConsciousBreaks You consider HED a niche brand? What about Shimano? Their Dura Ace c40 and C60 wheels are the same construction.

[@ConsciousBreaks]

@@IlPinnacolo That's not what I said. I said that hybrid wheels are far more niche than full carbon fiber rim brake wheels. Full carbon rims are far more common than hybrid ones. For those two manufacturers you named, you could name 20 that only make full carbon fiber rims. This isn't really disputable. Shimano doesn't even manufacture rim brake clinchers anymore. The latest Dura-Ace only has tubulars for rim brakes, which don't have the aluminum brake track.

[@mmurmurjohnson2368]

These are great!! but won't UCI count it as adding an additional fering? Curious

[@Alan_Hans__]

UCI doesn't control triathlons or triathlon bikes fortunately.

[@idea1511]

Will these work on a standard road bike?

[@tririg]

Yes!

[@nicklasjanowitz8469]

The most important thing for aerodynamics on every bike are the wheels and the tire in relation to the wheel, you’ll lose a lots of watts due to the flat area on the wheel, ask science and tests

[@njm3211]

Now let's get upgraded aluminum wheels with 23 to 25mm internal clearance, carbon bladed spokes and no need for rim sealing tape and then you might get much more interest.

[@ericantonio1681]

Sooo center pulls are back! Gonna break out my Mafacs

[@danielhedo6628]

...these brakes look amazing😳...but, please don`t tell anybody they do the same in (braking-)performance as discbrakes;- they don`t,- they can`t! I am a rimbrake-guy for sure and for good reason (maintenance, weight, durability, functionality, repair), but I know they can`t outperform discs...sorry. And, unfortunately to expensive as well for me to consider a system exchange... damn, these brakes look amazing! We need performance data, please!?!

[@jonathanchung7209]

I was a naysayer, now I want one.

[@edwarding4355]

You still have to look at the whole bike. It might not be aerodynamics that is slowing you down. It may be all that vibration. If you have a fatter tire you can reduce the pressure and less of the vibration. Okay I have a rim brakes with 25mm tires. but I have un-aerodynamic suspension stem. Those bumps and transmission of the force to your arms through the arm rest are muted.

[@francisdayon]

Agree 100% only for Tri bikes. For road bikes, disc is better. You don't needs stats about weight or aero. People who used both on the road just knows 100% that they would rather descend on a disc than a rim 9/10.

[@tririg]

I wonder of those folks who “just know” have done true comparative testing. Remember that a rim brake gripping an alloy rim is essentially just a giant disc brake.

[@francisdayon]

@@tririg the average cyclist doesn’t care for the marginal advantage. That’s my point. I’ve seen so many cyclist especially older folks who don’t climb much because they’re not confident with their descending. TDF riders for sure don’t need it but the industry always caters to the average person. That’s how the world works.

[@simonbaker1591]

… but as much as I agree that disc offers the cha 7:34 nce for later breaking on mountain hairpin corners, I have ridden with many people (young and old) who didn’t like descending on rim breaks only to be equally as uncomfortable and slow on discs. I think the answers in rider risk appetite/bike handling skills rather than the technology

[@stibra101]

I prefer to descend on rim brakes, much safer than discs

[@meibing4912]

Anyone thinking wheel manufactures will start making more wheels with alu tracks glued on is dreaming. Pad rub? Try a modern disc brake one day. Maybe some specialized bikes will use this - but its not a break through for the masses. Also, expect the pro peleton to soon ban rim brakes due to poor performance in rain and snowy conditions. Look at Vingegaard's decent at O Caminio and ask yourself - would you attempt that with rim brakes?

[@nonsequitor]

Thank you. Manufacturer push has turned my mountain bike from a bombproof freedom machine into a dealer dependent money pit that needs servicing after 50 miles riding. Disk brakes suck so much for everything outside of heavyweight downhill racing but just like 1X drivetrains we get zero choice.